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anybody else like this band? they are my favorite of all time.... I fuckin love Gene Simmons. THey are the band that introduced me to roc, which I can't thank them enough for. Some good albums are: Creatures of the Night (best) the Alive albums, Destroyer, Love GUn, ANimalize, and Revenge. THere's more but those are the best, not to mention Hotter than Hell, KISS, or Dressed to Kill. The ones to avoid are Unmasked and Music From the Elder... well no, Music had a FEW good songs, but too much of a change.
Damone
02-24-2006, 02:02 PM
I've been a KISS fan for a long time and they put on a great show live.
I saw them in 98 on the Psycho Circus tour and it was one of the best shows I've seen.
Tyler_Durden_208
02-24-2006, 02:02 PM
Grrr... Hate... Kiss...
Seriously, if I ever see Gene Simmons on the street I'm just go all Sonny on him. I hate him the most.
Last time they came to my state I was too young to go... I hope they go on tour next year so I can see them. I am actually going ot see Motley Crue (finally) this March. I remember making my own Gene SImmons costume in 3rd grade to go trick or treating in... also, the new ROck the Nation DVD is great!
Damone
02-24-2006, 02:24 PM
I've heard that Rock the Nation DVD is supposed to be pretty good and I plan on picking it up.
Another decent one is KISS:Exposed that came out in 87 but is available on DVD. It gets mixed reviews from some KISS fans but I've always liked it.
my personal favorite is X-Treme Close-Up. That was a great documentary, with old video clips and clips of live footage. It sucks that most of the time they didn;'t use the whole videos though. But yeah, RTN is a great DVD, I just wish they had done Strutter or GOd of Thunder. Actually, I'd like to hear "Two Timer" (from Dressed to Kill) live, and if you listen in one of the mini documentarys in the movie (you can hear them playing it without makeup at a soundcheck. Konfidential was a good one too. I wish the song Take it Off had made it to Alive II as it was in the concert for the album, and featured an awesome stage show for the song.
Damone
02-24-2006, 02:51 PM
Exposed has the videos for
I Love It Loud
Lick It Up
All Hell's Breakin' Loose
Heaven's On Fire
Tears Are Falling
Uh! All Night
They also have live video of...
Duece
Ladies Room
Strutter
Rock and Roll All Night
Detroit Rock City
I Love It Loud
Ace Frehley Guitar Solo
Gene doing his blood routine
There may be more but those are the only ones I can remember off the top of my head. The live performances are all during the make-up days.
Detroit Rock City had Eric on drums and I Love It Loud had Eric and Vinnie Vincent, so you get to see them in make-up
Then they are probably doing the Brazilian show... a show would kill to own.
I actually have the videos for I Love it Loud, Lick it Up, Heaven's on FIre, Tears are Falling, Crazy Crazy NIghts. I think XCU has the video (or at least clippings of
Unholy
Sure Know Somoething
Love Em and Leave Em
Hard Luck woman
Let's Put the X in Sex
I Just Wanna
Lick it Up
Creatures of the Night
and I'm sure a few more. I actually have the coveted DVD of KISS Meets the Phantom. That movie sure is cheesy! I bought mine at a low price because I got mine in July 2005.... it was out way before Oct 25, that was just the date they were putting it in store. I got mine at 20 bucks, now i's 60 bucks.
riotstarter
02-24-2006, 03:18 PM
When I think of Kiss, I honestly don't think of them as a band, they've transcended that (not sure if that's a good thing). Like Pink Flamingo's is not even really a movie, it's more of an experience. Since Kiss' albums all sound like stale cat shit rolling around in a tin can, they might be the only exclusive live band in the world, where a studio album seems like an afterthought. So to answer your question, no I don't like Kiss nor do I like them. They're just kind of there.
riotstarter
02-24-2006, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by riotstarter
Since Kiss' albums all sound like stale cat shit rolling around in a tin can, they might be the only exclusive live band in the world, where a studio album seems like an afterthought.
I guess Gwar could also fall into that category.
Damone
02-24-2006, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by Bear
Then they are probably doing the Brazilian show...
As a matter of fact it was. Hopefully one day they'll release it.
Yes, I hope. They did release the 76 concert for their Spirit of 76 tour, so who knows? It was in black and white though.
starcat
02-24-2006, 05:28 PM
revenge is one of the best albums of all time... it totally rocks
Yes, Revenge was a fuckin great album. Every song kicked mighty ass.
I'll never give up my Destroyer album. Critics be damned. :cool:
Yes, Destroyer was a great album, and was the first KISS album I bought.... (minus Do You Love Me) every song was great....
starcat
02-26-2006, 11:50 PM
my first was dynasty.... which hold 3 of my favorite kiss songs... i was made for loving you, sure know something, and 2000 man
Jimmy"The Gent"
02-27-2006, 12:43 AM
I really love KISS and don't think they get the respect they deserve from most people. I think that if you asked all the Heavy Metal bands out there who their influences were growing up, KISS would be on the majority of those lists. While yes, a lot of their studio albums are lacking, their live shows are what put them on the map. The makeup, the fire-breathing, the spitting blood, the explosions, the Fucking Women! It's was all there when they ruled the world in the middle to late 70's. Destroyer, Alive, and Rock N' Roll All Over are all worthy albums.
On a side note though, I recently found out that some of the crowd noise was faked (amplified) on Alive for a better sounding album. Whereas I love the album, this was a little bit of a disapointment to me. I think I remember seeing this on VH1's Ultimate Albums: KISS Alive. Oh well, it still rocks, but just a little bit of a letdown.
Well, I don't think their albums are lacking, but yes they are great and no they don't get the proper respect, ESPECIALLY GENE! My personal favorite on Dynasty is Charisma. THat one was cool.
Damone
02-27-2006, 11:25 AM
My first KISS album was Animalize, which came out at the same time I started getting into metal.
Before that my only other exposure to them was the "I Was Made For Lovin' You" 45 my brother gave me a year or two after it was released.
Animalize was great... one of their best albums. But my favorite has to be Creatures of the Night. I love that album.
tvmorbid
03-04-2006, 04:12 PM
My best mate came to visit me one day with this 'new song' on his player that apparantly I just had to listen to. That song was Psycho Circus and while he was wrong about it being new he was right about me having to listen to it. Since then I have become an avid KISS fan, my first album being Greatest KISS and working from there. Unplugged is an amazing listen, with Destroyer, Psycho Circus and Revenge all being must have albums. I would sell body parts to be able to see them live, and I would commit genocide to see them with the original line up. Glad to see there are other members of the KISS Army here :D
starcat
03-06-2006, 05:33 PM
of all their best of albums, i would have to pick smashes thrashes and hits.... thats their pre-revenge hits album...
darchangel
03-06-2006, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by jeo4
I'll never give up my Destroyer album. Critics be damned. :cool:
<humps jeo's leg>
all of you know i love KISS...that is all.
~darchangel~
I Love it Loud is the best song in the entire universe. Followed by War Machine
TheLoveBelow
04-11-2006, 11:41 AM
Yo Bear weren't you banned?
therealjohng
04-11-2006, 08:26 PM
Doctor Love. I fucking LOVE that song.
And Detroit Rock City.
Originally posted by TheLoveBelow
Yo Bear weren't you banned?
yes, but it was because of this jackass who hacked my account. Anyway it's old news and I am back now.
TheLoveBelow
04-13-2006, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by Bear
yes, but it was because of this jackass who hacked my account. Anyway it's old news and I am back now.
I see. Well, welcome back.
thank you. Also, I found alot of rare KISS videos at YouTube.com! Check em out, I may post links later.
Damone
04-13-2006, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Bear
thank you. Also, I found alot of rare KISS videos at YouTube.com! Check em out, I may post links later.
I don't know why I never thought to check there for KISS clips. Thanks for the info!
no probs! Thanks to that place, I finally got to see all of the World Without Heroes video.
Damone
04-13-2006, 11:53 AM
I'm going to have to gather some of the older stuff that I can't find on a commercial DVD and make my own now.
I'd like to find a better quality of their MTV appearance from when they first came out without makeup. I've got it on an old bootleg but haven't found any official releases. Do you know if one exists?
Damone
04-13-2006, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Bear
The Lick it Up video?
No it was an interview. If I remember right, Gene, Paul, Vinnie and Eric were sitting at a table when they were introduced without makeup for the first time.
oh. I guess you could try YouTube man.
Damone
04-14-2006, 11:18 AM
I did. No luck. :(
starcat
04-16-2006, 12:58 AM
does anyone like the elder album... i personally like it... its different... but it was balsy for kiss put out a concept album
yeah, it was good.... not exactly what KISS should do, but still good. Didn'[t like Just a Boy or Odyssey though. A World Without Heores actually made me cry... depends on what kinda life you live. The Oath was badass, Only You was pretty good too, as well as I.
Damone
04-17-2006, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by starcat
does anyone like the elder album... i personally like it... its different... but it was balsy for kiss put out a concept album
Even though it was a pretty big departure from what they had been doing I still thought The Elder was pretty good.
riotstarter
04-18-2006, 02:48 PM
And the Kiss thread has now reached two pages!
I've lost all faith in humanity.
The KISS Army conquers all.
riotstarter
04-18-2006, 06:56 PM
Conquers WHO exactly?
tvmorbid
04-22-2006, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Damone
Even though it was a pretty big departure from what they had been doing I still thought The Elder was pretty good.
Dunno if this is common knowledge or not but I heard that The Elder album was supposed to be the soundtrack for a film that was never made with the same title...
Damone
04-22-2006, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by tvmorbid
Dunno if this is common knowledge or not but I heard that The Elder album was supposed to be the soundtrack for a film that was never made with the same title...
I had always heard that but never knew how true it was. Supposedly they scrapped the film because the album sales were very bad. I found these interesting tidbits about the album and thought I'd post them.
The Elder was the first studio album which Eric Carr appeared on.
The hand on the cover is actually Paul Stanley's.
The door on the cover belongs to a Methodist church on Park Avenue in New York City.
Ace and Anton Fig perform all of the instruments on Dark Light, while Ace and Eric Carr perform everything on Escape From The Island.
When The Elder was released in Japan, the distributors feared the worst and put a cover showing the band in their costumes and makeup over the original cover. It was also not called Music From The Elder; instead it was given the title Great Decisive Battle of The Underworld.
The Elder was a story written by Gene that never got off the ground despite the fact that the soundtrack was written for it.
KISS believed The Elder would translate into a string of albums that would be connected by a common thread--this concept of a boy chosen to fight against evil. The Elder would have an immediate follow-up album (tentatively titled War of The Gods) that would continue the story line and then a third album of the film's score. Of course, this never happened due to abysmal sales of The Elder. At the time, Pink Floyd was very successful with their concept album, The Wall, and KISS believed that The Elder could do the same for them after the disappointing Unmasked album.
Ace was unhappy with the band's choice of producer (Bob Ezrin) for the album. Ace thought that KISS needed to do a heavy metal record to get themselves back on track but Ezrin pushed them to do the concept album.
The band also refined their looks for the album as they wanted to be taken seriously. Paul cut his hair short and wore a ridiculous headband; Gene tied his hair back in a strange-looking ponytail, and Ace also cut his hair into a shag. Other changes included the nixing of the blood-spitting and wild antics, no more platform shoes and a toning down of the outfits.
An untitled demo was recorded by Ace and Eric at this time and it wouldn't be released until 1992's Revenge album. The song would later be called Carr Jam 1981. Ace also reworked the song for his 1987 album Frehley's Comet and called it Breakout. This song was meant to showcase Eric Carr with a 2 to 3 minute drum solo in the middle; essentially it was to be his Moby Dick.
Lou Reed co-wrote Dark Light, A World Without Heroes, and Mr. Blackwell.
Dark Light was originally titled Don't Run and had different lyrics; the same can be said for A World Without Heroes as its original title was Every Little Bit of Your Heart.
Only You was originally performed as Eskimo Sun by...Wicked Lester around 1970, and was a love song.
The Elder was the last album to be reisssued on compact disc by KISS in May 1989.
Ace's unhappiness translated into him being absent for a good deal of the recording sessions. He knew that The Elder was not the right direction for KISS to take but with Peter gone, he was being out-voted 2 to 1 by Gene and Paul. Ace was extremely upset with the finished album because he felt that his guitar work had been minimized (without his approval) due to the more "sensitive" nature of the album.
The stage show for The Elder was to be very elaborate, featuring the band as Keepers of the Light of Truth, protecting a damsel in distress with a freeze gun in a three-act play. KISS was going Broadway!
Two videos were produced for the album: A World Without Heroes and I.
The only live performance of material from The Elder was on the Friday show on January 15, 1982 as KISS played The Oath, I, and A World Without Heroes.
W.A.S.P.'s Blackie Lawless was in the audience (as a fan) for KISS' appearance on the Friday show.
An appearance on January 28, 1982 at Studio 54 in New York City is significant because Ace did not perform with the band. He was home sick with "stomach problems". It was later revealed that Ace's unhappiness had been driven to the point of not even wanting to appear with KISS any longer.
Eric Carr would receive songwriting credit on Escape From The Island and Under The Rose, a rare thing in his years with KISS.
Escape From The Island isn't on the Japanese version of The Elder; instead it was released 7 months later on the Killers album.
When KISS was preparing to release their catalogue on compact disc in the 1980's, they didn't want to release The Elder but bowed to pressure from fans who took a belated liking to the album.
Talk of removing the make-up was first brought up during the making of The Elder.
The Elder peaked at a new low for the band on Billboard's album charts--# 75.
The 1997 Remasters series features the track listing that the band originally wanted: Fanfare/ Just A Boy/ Odyssey/ Only You/ Under The Rose/ Dark Light/ A World Without Heroes/ The Oath/ Mr. Blackwell/ Escape From The Island/ I. One listen and you can see that the album is more cohesive this way. Also of note, the remastered CD has a lot of dialogue and background sounds that were previously inaudible.
April 1982--Ace and Anton Fig crash his Porsche into a wall doing a reported 200 km/h which incapacitates Ace for months.
rilocay
04-25-2006, 10:24 AM
Kiss is my all tiem fave band/group...can't get enough of them! I seem to liek their earlier stuff more, with Hotter than hell being my fave record of theirs, but it's hard to find an album of theirs which i dont like just as much as another.
I just hope that when KISS do retire and do a last tour aroudn the world that Ace and Pete come back, i need live Ace! Btw, sideshowtoy.com have some sick ass kiss figures comin out!!
I used to have all 4 of the "KISS ALive!" figures that McFarlane issued in 2000. hey were grea.t Now I have the McFarlane "KISS Creatures" Gene figure.... that's the line of figure that has them in their Dynasty/Unmasked outfits.
Damone
04-25-2006, 11:40 AM
I've got 2 of the Alive figures but I have all four Psycho Circus (Comic Carnival had them on clearance for $2 apiece) and all 4 of the album edition. Seems like I've got another set but I can't remember what they are.
What is the "album edition"? Never heard of em. Oh and also, that info you got about live material from Elder was played only once is wrong. A World Without Heroes was on MTV Unplugged.
Damone
04-25-2006, 12:07 PM
Here's a link to the Gene Simmons album edition. They were just another series of KISS figures with a small replica of their solo album.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/cmdstore_1894_31508053
Upon looking for for a picture I ran across the other set I have which is the letter edition set.
Damone
04-25-2006, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Bear
Oh and also, that info you got about live material from Elder was played only once is wrong. A World Without Heroes was on MTV Unplugged.
I think what they meant about the live material only being played once had to do with when the album came out and they were promoting it because I don't think they did a tour for The Elder.
oh. that explains it. also, while we're talking about The Elder, here is a Live Version of A World Without Heroes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aURVVRFo24w&search=gene%20simmons) and the music video for A World Without Heroes. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDADELdqqJ4&search=world%20without%20heroes) Enjoy!
tvmorbid
04-26-2006, 06:12 AM
Ah where would we be without youtube.com? :D Theres also a 4 part concert on there from their Farewell Tour, Ace is back but Peter isn't :(
Links are here:
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVdwxzp0nvo)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtGTtBB-EY4)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK_ZGSB7OFQ)
Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C96tNyFGiUg)
Zebra 3
04-26-2006, 06:38 PM
I'm a fan of the original KISS, Ace, Peter, Paul and Gene, not one of its recent reincarnation as a pathetic pseudo-tribute band.
riotstarter
04-26-2006, 07:10 PM
It's entirely possible that KISS is the worst band to ever grace this planet. Ever.
How about Mini-Kiss?
http://www.talentbookingusa.com/dance-bands/images/mini-kiss.jpg
:D
tvmorbid
04-27-2006, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by jeo4
How about Mini-Kiss?
OK thats more than a little disturbing lol
Damone
04-27-2006, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by jeo4
How about Mini-Kiss?
:D
Yes!! :D
Originally posted by riotstarter
It's entirely possible that KISS is the worst band to ever grace this planet. Ever.
it's also possible that KISS is one of the most loved band in the world, as well as having one of the biggest fanbases, and being the best.
tvmorbid
04-28-2006, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by Bear
it's also possible that KISS is one of the most loved band in the world, as well as having one of the biggest fanbases, and being the best.
Ah juat ignore him, hes just being an attention wh*re
riotstarter
04-28-2006, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by tvmorbid
Ah juat ignore him, hes just being an attention wh*re
No I'm not. As far as mainstream bands go, I genuinely think Kiss might be one of the least talented and worst out there. Seriously. This is not me exaggerating for comic effect. Great makeup, horrible musicians.
Originally posted by riotstarter
No I'm not. As far as mainstream bands go, I genuinely think Kiss might be one of the least talented and worst out there. Seriously. This is not me exaggerating for comic effect. Great makeup, horrible musicians.
What? No way! KISS are great musicians! Boybands and rappers are the noes with no talent or musicianship.
tvmorbid
04-28-2006, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by riotstarter
No I'm not. As far as mainstream bands go, I genuinely think Kiss might be one of the least talented and worst out there. Seriously. This is not me exaggerating for comic effect. Great makeup, horrible musicians.
Really? In that case why do you keep posting here? You made you're opinion known in your first post, fair enough, thanx very much, now bugger off lol :P Seriously, we got a little appreciation thread goin here, please dont sour it for us
riotstarter
04-28-2006, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by tvmorbid
Really? In that case why do you keep posting here? You made you're opinion known in your first post, fair enough, thanx very much, now bugger off lol :P Seriously, we got a little appreciation thread goin here, please dont sour it for us
The thread isn't that specific dude. It's just KISS. That implies I don't know, freedom of opinion? Let me know if this is incorrect.
tvmorbid
04-29-2006, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by riotstarter
The thread isn't that specific dude. It's just KISS. That implies I don't know, freedom of opinion? Let me know if this is incorrect.
Very true, but why keep repeating your opinion? we get the point dude, you dont like KISS, why not leave it at that?
Originally posted by Damone
I'm going to have to gather some of the older stuff that I can't find on a commercial DVD and make my own now.
I'd like to find a better quality of their MTV appearance from when they first came out without makeup. I've got it on an old bootleg but haven't found any official releases. Do you know if one exists?
Hey Damone, would you be talking about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fazzwAAcIAs&feature=PlayList&p=935F6F47839FFD25&index=46
tvmorbid
05-05-2006, 03:13 PM
Wow that is cool dude, nice one for finding it :) And I see youtube.com has had an image change lol
Damone
05-05-2006, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Bear
Hey Damone, would you be talking about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fazzwAAcIAs&feature=PlayList&p=935F6F47839FFD25&index=46
Yes! That's it! It looks to be the same quality as the bootleg I've got but that is it! Thanks!
It says it was added on November 19, 2005...how the hell did I miss that? I looked through several pages and never saw it.
Originally posted by tvmorbid
And I see youtube.com has had an image change
They also changed things in the URLs so you can't download them as easily anymore. Now you've either got to check out the source code or use Firefox with the videodownloader extenstion.
Also, I found the Brazilian show with Vinnie in makeup... enjoy.
Rio Show Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_92RxzQz1Q&search=kiss%20rio)
Rio Show Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyPeL3KPV3I&search=kiss%20rio)
Rio Show Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtGHW4jiKRA&search=kiss%20rio)
Track List
1. Creatures of the Night
2. Cold Gin
3. Calling Dr. Love
4. Firehouse
5. I Love it Loud
7. War Machine
8. Black Diamond
BTW, no problem Damone :) I also found The Elder live material there, post it later. I believe I already posted the live World WIthout Heroes though.... managed to find I and The Oath.
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