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Old 11-09-2012, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by creekin111 View Post
You can't have a streamlined immigration policy the way our government is today. Back in the 19th century when there was literally no welfare and socialism you could get away with it. It might make sense today if there wasn't a welfare system, free education, and free hospital care that they can benefit from.

I'm all for a streamlined immigration system in this country but we have to seriously start getting rid of welfare system if we truly want to embrace more open borders. We're already giving enough welfare to too many Americans in this country we can't afford to give welfare to those who haven't even paid a dime yet to this country (let alone all of the foreign aid we give some of these nations to begin with). It is also a matter of principle.

So what is the answer? Seriously.

Do we completely close the borders down and stop ALL immigration? Period.

Do we completely open the borders up and let anybody in anytime? Period.

Is it somewhere in between? Do we keep some sort of immigration system in place like we have today where you have to apply, wait a certain period, and pass a test? Should you be required to understand English?

What about people that "skip the line" and don't go through the same procedure that legal immigrants take? Are they allowed to stay? Is the rule, you can't come in without following X procedure but if you manage to sneak by then congratulations, you're also in?

What about illegal aliens that have babies here in the states? Is the rule that if you can sneak in and drop a baby on American soil you're allowed to stay? If not, what happens to the kid? Is he kicked out too?

What's the answer? I ask this seriously as I've met very few people on either the left or the right with a consistent, concrete answer to this question.

Would illegals essentially be allowed to continue to break the law so long as the don't break another law?

And what about illegal aliens that may have been indirectly involved in a crime or have seen a crime or have had a crime committed against them? Would they be able to freely go to the police without the fear of being deported?
Ok first, the foreign aid is not what's indebting us, it barely makes a dent. People need to stop citing that.

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Originally Posted by creekin111 View Post
Do we completely close the borders down and stop ALL immigration? Period.

Do we completely open the borders up and let anybody in anytime? Period.

Is it somewhere in between? Do we keep some sort of immigration system in place like we have today where you have to apply, wait a certain period, and pass a test? Should you be required to understand English?
I feel like you didn't read the link.

In all instances there's absolutely no way to fix all those problems in any satisfactory way. And that's not just our government, that's any government. There is always some end left dangling without a solution, (at least not by government) but that doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to make some kind of headway where we are able to. Where the abilities of citizens end that's where government comes in. Its always messy its always been messy, its just a matter of making sure the mess doesn't overwhelm.