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Old 11-09-2012, 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by electriclite View Post
Ok first, the foreign aid is not what's indebting us, it barely makes a dent. People need to stop citing that.
We have millions of things that are "barely making a dent" but yet altogether it adds up. "Its ok if it adds to our debt as long as its not 'x' amount." Well great you're just encouraging yet more and more number of small spending habits. Do you even have a clue how many social programs we have today as opposed to 10/20/30 years ago? Foreign aid also supports countries that other nations hate so then they wind up hating us. Friends of enemies are now your enemies. And yes it is a lot. People need to stop citing how "little things cost" when its still a matter of principle.

I feel like you didn't read the link.

In all instances there's absolutely no way to fix all those problems in any satisfactory way. And that's not just our government, that's any government. There is always some end left dangling without a solution, (at least not by government) but that doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to make some kind of headway where we are able to. Where the abilities of citizens end that's where government comes in. Its always messy its always been messy, its just a matter of making sure the mess doesn't overwhelm.
What about the link? Satisfactory for what? Do we want a future for this country or not? Its that simple. If you don't want a future for this country then by all means continue on this path. I for one don't want to have future generations suffer because of our laziness and lack of trying to think outside the box. So either our only choice is more government intervention or more government intervention? That's one way to ensure things will remain more and more messy forever.

The ability of citizens end at a police, to protect you from criminals, the army, to protect you from foreign invaders and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law. Other than that citizens do have the ability to do anything without a massive encroaching government that spreads like a cancer throughout the country. Again we went from groups of unknown farmers to a world power by the early 20th century with the help of socialist programs?