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Old 12-05-2012, 09:04 AM
Originally Posted by creekin111 View Post
I always love it when someone looks at one social policy from one nation and that automatically justifies it existing in another. As if it won't effect any of the billions of other factors that make up a nation. Hey Switzerland has no gun control and encourages gun ownership and has virtually zero gun crimes. So lets encourage every citizen to own a gun. Lets do what they do because they can do it and it works.

Its like looking at the inside of 2 different clocks. Hey this one has a gear lets put it in that other clock even if you have to rip out all the other gears that make it tick. Or like trying to fit an auto part made for a Honda car to use for a Chevy truck.

"You 'make' your own people go into crippling debt". lol as if a gun is pointed to everyone's head. So many people just don't seem to understand the concept of force or value or supply/demand. Millions of Americans have no use for a higher education. Its no coincidence the longer our public education has been around the worse and worse it has become.
You managed to focus on a single line you don't like, yet there's much more important things there, most of dealing with priorities.

I'll say again - more people having a higher education is not a bad thing. It never has been and it never will be. You say it's no coincidence the longer our public education has been around the worse and worse it has become - I agree, but for different reasons.

The reason it is worse and worse is because of the increasingly low priority that is actually put on education. Now, we're at the point where it costs MORE for a WORSE education.

There's a lot of things wrong with the education system, but they can be fixed given a higher priority. But in no way does that mean the more people with no education, the better.

Aren't we supposed to be the greatest country in the world, huge GDP, etc etc? Yet we're 7th in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in Science, et al. Who's #1 and how did they get there?

Finland is regularly ranked as having one of the best-performing education systems in the world. The country's literacy rate is tops, its math proficiency second, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, an international trade group. Students from elementary through high school are among the world's best in test scores.

A generation ago, that wasn't the case. In the 1970s, Finland's schools were among the worst in the developed world.

What changed?

The problem was attacked on all sides, says Pasi Sahlberg, a former official in Finland's education ministry.

The country invested heavily in teacher education, requiring master's degree-based, five-year qualifications instead of three-year bachelor's degrees. Child poverty was addressed (because poverty and education often go hand in hand, which is why a free education is so important) with meals, health care, dental care and counseling -- all free of charge for children. Finally, the system pursued what Sahlberg calls "intelligent accountability" that combines standardized testing with teacher assessment and school self-inspection -- with an emphasis on the teachers, not the tests.

You say we cant look at another country and just do what they do. I call bullshit. Obviously, there's a lot we can learn from other - better - countries.

If we spent as much as we do on education as we do on killing people, we'd be well on our way.

We're backwards, man. Look at the other countries with bigger red bubbles - Russia, Iran, Pakistan, China, etc. We're the only First World Country who spends more on military than they do educating their citizens.
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