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Old 09-05-2012, 03:01 PM
Romney's Faith

Regardless of his values and morals, or even the fact that he attended church for many years, Obama was labeled as a Muslim by some on the right because they knew it could hurt his chances of being elected. Now I'm hearing Christians defend Romney being a Mormon by saying that his even though they may not consider him a Christian (no offense Mormons), at least he has the same morals and values.

I find it interesting how Mormon's were able to buddy up with Christians. I read some poll was taken that said only 40 or so percent of voters were aware Romney was a Mormon.

Anyone else care to share their thoughts regarding any of this?
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:40 AM
Well at least with Romney you get a sense that he is very sincere about his faith, which is bonus points for me. He's been involved with the church is whole life, has always been a family man and loyal to his wife. So I personally believe he is a sincere Mormon. I personally don't believe in religion, but it irks me when people are fake/hypocritical about it.

Where as with Obama you just can't really tell. I don't believe for a second that he is a sincere Christian. He only goes to Church to campaign. Most likely he is just an atheist/agnostic who only does as little as possible because in order to get elected in America you have to pretend to be a Christian. I don't think he is a Muslim, but ultimately he may have more in common with Muslims than with Christians. I don't mean terrorists obviously, but he spent a lot of his youth in the largest Muslim country on the planet so there is no way that hasn't impacted his life as much or more than Christianity.

One of the reasons Christians have accepted Romney so easily is because Obama's faith just isn't there and he disagrees with most Church's stances on things like gay marriage and other social issues.

I know ardent Christians who seriously wavered in their belief in Obama when he changed his stance on gay marriage. Despite a lot of things (like the idea that Republicans are all crazy religious nuts), democrats could not get enough voters without Christians.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:15 AM
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:24 AM
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:02 PM
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I don't think he is a Muslim, but ultimately he may have more in common with Muslims than with Christians. I don't mean terrorists obviously, but he spent a lot of his youth in the largest Muslim country on the planet so there is no way that hasn't impacted his life as much or more than Christianity.
Spending four years of his youth in the largest Muslim country on the planet had equal or greater impact than spending 14 years of his youth and 33 years of his adulthood in the largest Christian nation on the planet? How do you figure?

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Why does the American Christian voter still believe that religion should be a criteria when almost all previous Christian Presidents have pandered to the same Godless plutocracy.
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Lol. Gay people's attempts at monogamy and marriage is the least un-Christian, if it is un-Christian, issue for Christians to contend with.

The corrupt investment banking system, corrupt geo-political issues, the poor in America and world-wide, child safety from paedophilia, human trafficking, helping people overcome addictions and prostitution, reducing pollution, reducing violence, and i'm sure there are other issues, all of which should be a more pressing concern than two people of the same gender being in love.
Not often I agree with you, but cheers.

IIRC, most protestants and Catholics do not consider Mormons Christians. Romney's faith means he's slightly more gullible than most other believers, only because Mormonism is more recent.

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Old 09-06-2012, 03:37 PM
I think most Christians would agree that it says in the Bible states that no man should ever add to it. I don't know the actually passage. Mormons gave us the Book of Mormon though, and included all these Christian figures, including Jesus. Jesus was from another planet, had multiple wives. There were pyramids in North America, and the natives spoke Hebrew. There's no historical evidence to back any of it up. There are over 30,000 practicing polygamists in Utah! They all consider themselves Mormon despite what the mainstream Mormons say.

Romney believes the back story to Mormonism and I think that speaks volumes.
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Old 09-06-2012, 05:12 PM
I don't think Obama is a closet atheist. At best, deep down he may be an agnostic theist. But more likely he's just an a-la-cart christian like most Americans.

I just find it amusing that three of the biggest current champions of the Republican party are:

A Mormon - Mitt
An Atheist - Ayn Rand
and a Hindu - 2016 guy


In the end, I'd rather a politician keep his faith private than wear it on his sleeve.


*Edit - hey, 7000 posts...
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Old 09-06-2012, 12:05 PM
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Where as with Obama you just can't really tell. I don't believe for a second that he is a sincere Christian. He only goes to Church to campaign. Most likely he is just an atheist/agnostic who only does as little as possible because in order to get elected in America you have to pretend to be a Christian. I don't think he is a Muslim, but ultimately he may have more in common with Muslims than with Christians. I don't mean terrorists obviously, but he spent a lot of his youth in the largest Muslim country on the planet so there is no way that hasn't impacted his life as much or more than Christianity.
I sense you meant well with this post, but this is ALL conjecture and has no political relevance whatsoever. This has nothing to do with wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage. This is all fallout from the Wright controversy and the idea that Obama is either A.) a religious extremist of SOME sort who has to keep a mild-mannered facade or B.) too educated and too cultured to be a sincerely religious person. The first view is extremely nutty and the second one is extremely cynical and I don't believe either one really hits it on the nose. Obama's background is so unlike Carter's, or Clinton's, or Bush's, or any other openly religious president we've had, so it's easier to make this assumption about his character because it follows a more familiar narrative.

But, this thread is about Romney's religion. Mormonism is strange and even looking at it objectively through my agnostic/atheist eyes it's a little weirder than most other religions. However, Mormonism has a long history and it played an important role in the history of the American West. Maybe not a great history, but the religion has certainly left its mark on parts of the country. Whatever. I'm not voting for Romney anyway but I don't think his weird religion should disqualify him from office any more than Obama's weird religion (i.e., Christianity).
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Old 09-15-2012, 01:36 PM
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Well at least with Romney you get a sense that he is very sincere about his faith, which is bonus points for me. He's been involved with the church is whole life, has always been a family man and loyal to his wife. So I personally believe he is a sincere Mormon. I personally don't believe in religion, but it irks me when people are fake/hypocritical about it.

Where as with Obama you just can't really tell. I don't believe for a second that he is a sincere Christian. He only goes to Church to campaign. Most likely he is just an atheist/agnostic who only does as little as possible because in order to get elected in America you have to pretend to be a Christian. I don't think he is a Muslim, but ultimately he may have more in common with Muslims than with Christians. I don't mean terrorists obviously, but he spent a lot of his youth in the largest Muslim country on the planet so there is no way that hasn't impacted his life as much or more than Christianity.

One of the reasons Christians have accepted Romney so easily is because Obama's faith just isn't there and he disagrees with most Church's stances on things like gay marriage and other social issues.

I know ardent Christians who seriously wavered in their belief in Obama when he changed his stance on gay marriage. Despite a lot of things (like the idea that Republicans are all crazy religious nuts), democrats could not get enough voters without Christians.
I have no say over how people choose to vote but I never understood this stance. Obama is not a true Christian, he's agnostic or atheist, who cares? If I wanted a President to profess their undying love for a deist, and more specifically one with a name and physical presence, I'd move to a religious based state, not a secular one. I myself believe Obama probably is agnostic but--like you said yourself--in order to get votes he has to appeal to the majority of this country which are Christians. The reason right-wing Republicans flock to Romney and don't criticize his faith is because Mormonism is essentially Christianity but replace Jerusalem with the United States and add Joseph Smith as one of the prophets and there's honestly not a big difference. Contrary to you, Obama's lack of a religious conviction is one of the many reasons he's getting my vote this Fall.

This is a quote I love taken from his book, The Audacity of Hope

I was not raised in a religious household. For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. However, in her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology.

On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well.
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Old 09-15-2012, 02:28 PM
Mitt Romney will be one of our great presidents.
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Old 09-15-2012, 03:49 PM
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Mitt Romney will be one of our great presidents.
What other things can you tell me from the future?
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Old 09-15-2012, 04:00 PM
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What other things can you tell me from the future?
The sun will burn out in 5 billion years but before then, the human race will have moved to other parts of the galaxy.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:08 PM
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Mitt Romney will be one of our great presidents.
You do know when he brings back the deregulation policies that Bush had, the Economy will plummet?
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:01 PM
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You do know when he brings back the deregulation policies that Bush had, the Economy will plummet?
You do know that the key piece of deregulation happened during Clinton's years? Funny how he has a commercial saying Romney will do what he did. It is almost like him doing an ad on not cheating on your wife.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:25 PM
Religion has no place in politics. I understand that politics are influenced by personal beliefs, which, for many people, are influenced by their religion. That being said, I would vote for a Satanist if I was cool with all of his policies. I really couldn't care less who he worships in the privacy of his own home so long as he doesn't let that get in the way of his doing a good job in office.

That's just my two cents.
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:31 AM
I don't care if a politician expresses their religious beliefs. I have a bigger problem with them telling me what bands they like.
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Old 09-10-2012, 11:56 PM
Considering the fact that at least 95% of America doesn't do real research about Presidential candidates and just listen to what Fox News/MSNBC tell them it'd be fun to have an election that for once doesn't tell you where the candidates stand in terms of religion, gay marriage, abortion, gun control, and taxes. You know, the unimportant stuff that is only used as hot button issues to stir emotions in the stereotypical, blindly-led voter. I know it's hard for some to take time out of their crazy life to actually read up on people who will be leading this country but it'd be fun to see people have to use their brain for once.

Oh.....SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:03 PM
MY first political post. Oh boy. Who let this guy in?


I could care less about Mitt or Obama's religion. I wihs just one of them would just say the truth and say they worship the all mighty dollar in the house of sin (Fort Knox)
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:49 PM
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MY first political post. Oh boy. Who let this guy in?


I could care less about Mitt or Obama's religion. I wihs just one of them would just say the truth and say they worship the all mighty dollar in the house of sin (Fort Knox)
I thought that was clearly printed beneath the "Hi, my name is..." tag.

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