Old 02-11-2001, 11:04 AM
Video Capsule: "Swingers" (6/10)

"Swingers" 1996
directed by Doug Liman ("Go")
starring Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughn

Plot: A story about a man attempting to come to terms with a failed relationship and his friends' attempts to get him back into the dating scene. The story is set in 90's LA and centers around a group of hopeful actors/actresses and the clubbing scene.

Review: The above seems like a thin plot, no? That's all I got out of it. I had been told for years that I had to see this film. Was it supposed to be more than an average comedy? Was it supposed to be directed only to those who "get" the California/LA dating scene?

I laughed a couple times at the desperation shown by Favreau's character but not much more than that. The line "You're so money!" and other variations grated on me to the point that I considered turning off the film. Maybe it was the culture shock or maybe it was the seemingly inane banter and plot that turned me off. Or maybe it was simply another one of those "must-see best of the decade films" (i.e. "Pulp Fiction" or "Fargo") that I personally find ridiculously stupid.
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Old 02-11-2001, 12:07 PM
Damn Pack, I can't believe you completely trashed Swingers...but here's why I think it's such a great film, and easily one of the best comedies of the 90's.

1) The lingo and the dialogue. OK, maybe the whole "money" thing didn't float your boat, but the rest of the movie has some pretty priceless dialogue, especially between Mikey and Trent, ie: the whole bunny rabbit explanation, etc.

2) The Vegas trip. Ever been on really good road trip with a couple of best friends? watch that sequence, I laugh my ass off at how goofy the two are, trying to be the "big men" in town, flashing their cash and walking around in cheap suits. I totally dug all the Vegas scenes, including the great soundtrack.

3) Losing someone you love. Ever had your heart broken by a woman? The movie captures all the feelings of loneliness and melancholy associated with a particularly bad break up as Mikey tries to get back on the "dating horse", so to speak. Personally, Swingers has always been a great pick me up type movie, whenever I'm feeling down or just got out of a bad relationship.

4) The pick up scenes. Ever been to a bar with friends and tried to watch them pick up? Man, they do this so effectively in the movie, I crack up every time I watch the boys in action. The interactions, the dialogue, everything is so well done.

5) Mikey and Trent. I have this theory that everyone in life is either one or the other. Think about it. Either you're the soft spoken introvert who keeps to himself or you're the smooth talking loud mouth extrovert. Everyone has a best friend who's either a Mikey to their Trent and vice versa. The whole friendship really drives the movie, they're so great to watch on screen together...

I could go on and on....easily a 9/10.
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Old 02-11-2001, 03:43 PM
Yeah, I, like Doctor Drew, love Swingers. I've seen it more times than I can count, probably. I own the flick and the screenplay.

There are just some really cheesy scenes in Swingers that are hard NOT to love.

Case In Point:

1. The scene where they're playing the hockey/video game and the PINK DOT guy comes. HA-larious.

2. The scene where that couple at the bar are playing that really lousy rendition of that Bee Gees song.

3. The scene where he thinks a waitress didn't get his "Age of Enlightenment" reference, and a minute later when he asks for a rush on his order, she replies, "Hang on, Voltaire."

4. The scene where Sue pulls out his gun. Those guys got in their car in record time. They deserve a medal.
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Old 02-11-2001, 04:19 PM
JoBlo...breathe in...breathe out...breathe in....breathe out...

Can't believe The Pack didn't like one of the coolest movies that I've ever seen...must keep breathing otherwise, will die....can't believe this is happening...the world seems off-kilter this morn'...can't breathe...

To be honest, I saw this movie on the night that it opened. ZERO HYPE. ZERO EXPECTATIONS. ZERO ANYTHING. It blew my friggin' mind! Very original dialogue. Quick, relateable story and great soundtrack (remember that this was waaaaay before the whole Swing revival). Vince Vaughn was also a major breakthrough, and all the small references to other favorite movies of mine, RES DOGS, GOODFELLAS, TAXI DRIVER, stamped this puppy a fave of all-time.

Admiteddly, the scenes of them playing video hockey before going out, sadly resembled my own rituals when I was a so-called "swinger" myself. Only we wore parkas before leaving the house, cause I live in Iceland (I mean, Canada).

"Dude, is she looking at me now?"

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Old 02-11-2001, 05:20 PM
Love that line.

Or, when they're talking about how many days they should wait before calling someone.
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Old 02-11-2001, 11:36 PM
Swingers is the coolest film bar none.
Vince Vaughn gives on the funniest performances ever and Jon Favreau is sad and funny all at once.

'Our little baby is all groweds up.'

I hope Made is good as well, I am personally looking forward to it!!!
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Old 02-12-2001, 05:52 PM
Some interesting view points going on here..."Swingers" is definitely a great male flick, and some of my babies dig it too. I say that any film that introduces us to the great actor who goes by the name Vince Vaughn is definitely worth my time. Ron is amazing too...great, great film.
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Old 02-12-2001, 06:31 PM
Re your list, drew

#1- Dialogue....Yeah the bunny thing was funny. Other than that and a few isolated others I found it annoying. Funny to me is more of a Clerks kind of dialogue.

#2- Road trip. Yep been on them. That to me would be more like a poor road trip...yep they hooked up but then struck out in a major way.

#3- I'll give to you. Never been so busted down that all I could do is drink OJ in the apartment, though [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

#4- Yep. Real life just wasn't like that. Maybe another east coast-west coast culture deal there. Not saying us east coast guys don't get shot down but the feel of it was all wrong to me

#5- But if you are the soft spoken introvert are you as emotionally stable as a bowl full of jello?
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Old 02-13-2001, 06:40 AM
Pack, are you on crack?

This is not a personal attack, you are entitled to your opinion and I respect you for it. Seriously though Pack, a crack pipe - you own one?

Being a movie buff and giving SWINGERS 6/10 is like being a basketball fan and thinking Jordan had a weak game, or like being a fan of hockey and thinking Gretzky was all thumbs. To not like Tiger Woods is to not like golf - to not like SWINGERS is to not like movies. This is my opinion of SWINGERS. Great dialogue, super soudtrack, fantastic acting bringing about believable "been-there-done-that" characters, and a simple yet unique and somehow complex plot. 9.5/10!!
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Old 02-13-2001, 03:59 PM
SirReel- nope never picked up a crack pipe nor done any drugs other than alcohol. I hate the NHL, hate Tiger Woods, and think Jordan was a bitch. To each their own I guess [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 02-13-2001, 04:30 PM

"But if you are the soft spoken introvert are you as emotionally stable as a bowl full of jello?"

You got me there, maybe Mikey's character was a little too "unstable" but hey, those are the consequences of a particularly bad ending to an intense relationship...

SirReel, I don't like many of Kubrick's movies, that must make me a full blown junkie...but in all seriousness, I respectfully diasgree with the whole "love movies? you have to love Swingers" concept...there are plenty of other movies which would fit that description far better. Just my two cents.
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Old 02-14-2001, 03:02 PM
Doc, agreed.

I's just kiddin' around anyway... Just being hyper melodramatic in stressing just how much I love the movie.

I mean, they actually coined a phrase "You're money baby!" or "You're money and you don't even know it!" They started a trend and shit... The movie stoked the fire of the NEW era of party-shirts, slacks, martini's & swing-dancing. They put a whole new twist, a new light, on going out with the boys to "pick up" - I love them for that. I suppose it has a lot to do with where I was, metaphorically, when I saw it. It became my "theme" movie. It virtually personified my lot in life at the time - switch the names and you've got me and my friends back home, bang on.

Pack, if you hate the NHL - you must've loved the scene where they make Gretzky bleed.

Doc, as for Kubrick - I'm in your boat and I'm readin' your mail pal - I don't get the fascination with his work at all.
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Old 02-14-2001, 06:10 PM
Hey SirReel, we could start a splinter group within the Schmoe community. We could start up the "Kubrick Is Overrated Club" (or K.I.O.C. for short, how clever) I've long been searching for people who shared in my inability to understand his overwhelming popularity. Seriously though, I just don't get the "genius" of his films.

(Now I'm just waiting for the Kubrick-ites to come in and tear me a new a-hole)

[This message has been edited by doctor drew (edited 02-14-2001).]
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Old 02-14-2001, 07:41 PM
Just curious, which Kubrick films do you not like, or get, or see the fascination with? Personally, I love the man but think The Shining and Full Metal Jacket are severely overrated...
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Old 02-14-2001, 08:52 PM
Kubrick is overrated. I never seem to get his 'message' or whatever in his films. The only REAL film that I enjoyed by him was "The Shining" but all his other movies I just never really enjoyed... and I just found them boring.

Clockwork Orange
Eyes Wide Shut
Dr Strangelove
Full Metal Jacket

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Old 02-14-2001, 09:06 PM
Eyes Wide Shut.

"Kubrick's final haunting masterpiece", I should be so lucky. I thought it was glorified art house fare disguised as really bad soft core porn.

Clockwork Orange.

Highly, highly overrated. I've seen it a number of times and again, it's all over the place with it's bizarre themes and disturbing scenes. Nothing really struck me as being spectacular.

Full Metal Jacket.

A decent war flick which had its moments but again, I can think of many more war epics which evoked stronger emotional feelings in me. His message never really clicked for me.

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Old 02-17-2001, 08:59 PM
"Swingers" references Wizard of Oz, The (1939) , "You Bet Your Life" (1950) , THX 1138 (1970) , Godfather, The (1972) , Mean Streets (1973) , Jaws (1975) , Taxi Driver (1976) , "Family Ties" (1982) , Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) , Rain Man (1988) , Tapeheads (1988) , Things Change (1988), Goodfellas (1990), Boyz N the Hood (1991) , Glengarry Glen Ross (1992), Reservoir Dogs (1992), "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" (1993), Clerks (1994), Pulp Fiction (1994), Casino (1995)...

[Trent talks a girl into meeting them later and bringing a friend.]
Mike: That was so fucking money. That was like the Jedi mind-shit.

[Why Sue carries a gun.]
Sue: People get carjacked.
Trent: Who's gonna carjack your fuckin' K-Car?

Mike: How about if I wait six weeks to call. I could tell her I found her number while I was cleaning out my wallet, I can't remember where we met. I'll ask her what she looks like and then I'll ask her if we fucked. How about that? Would that be money?

Trent: Um... a malt Glen Garry for me and my friend here. And if you tell that bartender to go extra easy on the water, this 50 cent piece has your name on it.

Trent: All I do is stare at their mouths and wrinkle my nose, and I turn out to be a sweetheart.

Mike Peters : You shouldn't be sorry, you're a winner. I'm the fucking loser. I'm the one who should be sorry.
Trent Walker: Baby don't talk that way.
Mike Peters: Can we just go, please, can we go?
Trent Walker: Baby look at me, look at me. You're money, and you know what else? You're a big winner tonight.
Mike Peters: I want to leave.
Trent Walker: You're a big winner. I'm gonna ask you a simple question and I want you to listen to me: who's the big winner here tonight at the casino? Huh? Mikey, that's who. Mikey's the big winner. Mikey wins. [img]/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 02-26-2001, 06:19 PM
Swingers is amazing. I just watched it yesterday and I was on the verge of tears. They talk about the exact same shit that I talk about with my buds. It was beautiful. BEAUTIFUL! Seriously, this movie and High Fidelity really are reflections of my mind, life, and conversations.

Trent would so be the coolest friend to have. this movie is definitely a 9/10
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Old 02-26-2001, 06:29 PM
Dig it DaN... I was in a "Swingers" mood last night too. I just love the stuff with Trent and the Casino chicks... it's so money, not to mention the final scene...man, oh man... [img]/ubb/wink.gif[/img]
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