The Happening marketing SUCKS

[adamjohnson]

In this VILLAGE...

They SENSE something...

The SIGNS....

are UNBREAKABLE

And there are... LADIES.... in WATER....

WTF is this shit?

They did this with his last TWO movies, and they were financial disasters. Cant they think of a new tactic?

The redband trailer kicks ass. Take out the gore and theres your trailer.

God damn.

[Homyrrh]

At the 'Iron Man' previews, they showed one for this. At the end of the trailer (trailers don't warrant spoilers, sorry...), when Marky Mark goes "WHAT'S HAPPENING?!?!?!?!", then the narrator says the title..."'THE HAPPENING'".

And no joke, I thought I was being a dick for laughing at it, but the ENTIRE theater, the hundreds there were, were geeking right along with me. THis was an entirely serious suspense film and we were universally geeking at it...

[Donnie_Darko]

Gotta take as much piss out of this movie as possible, thereby lowering expectations to a crawl, so you might come out going "Not bad actually." This looks like a can of trash... but so did Lady In The Water, and I LOVED it. Juxtaposed to Unbreakable, which looked great, but was a feted sack of shit!

And yes... that is HORRIBLE promotion.

[echo_bravo]

Its almost sad how far M. Night's reputation has fallen. After the Sixth Sense and Unbreakable, he was basically untouchable and was already being tainted the next Spielberg.

Now? The dude is being compared to Ed Wood and it looks like there will be more Razzies in his future.

The dude has the ability to be a DAMN talented filmmaker. I thought The Village was beautifully shot and is very underrated. With that said, he needs to desperately find a talented screenwriter to work with.

[tbone]

Originally Posted by echo_bravo

Its almost sad how far M. Night's reputation has fallen. After the Sixth Sense and Unbreakable, he was basically untouchable and was already being tainted the next Spielberg.

Now? The dude is being compared to Ed Wood and it looks like there will be more Razzies in his future.

The dude has the ability to be a DAMN talented filmmaker. I thought The Village was beautifully shot and is very underrated. With that said, he needs to desperately find a talented screenwriter to work with.

totally - the dude does great camerawork -- but his head has really swollen -- take some time away find a good script he didnt write

[LordSimen]

I don't get the hate for Shamalan. If his only film was the Village, then I'd understand it. But that's not his only film. The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable are two masterpieces, then you add onto that the good films Lady in the Water and Signs, and his filmography looks pretty damn good. The Happening's marketing does indeed suck, but so does the title. I'm looking forward to it but there's only so many puns you can make with the word 'happen" in it until it gets a little annoying.

[Raoul Duke]

Word on the street is that Happening has Shyamalan's most retarded twist yet.

Unbreakable was awesome, though.

[someguy]

M. Night Shyamalan is a good director but he needs control. The reason why he left Disney and went to WB was because the studio kept trying to change his 'original vision' for Lady in The Water. I'm usually one for directors having complete creative control but for Shyamalan I think he should have his scripts put under major rewrites or just direct other people's scripts.

The quality of his films keep dropping as time goes on. You say that Lady is a good film but I think based on audience and critic reception you would be more in the minority. Look at the metacritic scores for his movies from when he was starting out (Sixth Sense) and then see the pattern as he begins to gain more control on his films.

Sixth Sense (64%)
Unbreakable (62%)
Signs (59%)
The Village (44%)
Lady in The Water (36%)

The Happening looks like it's only going to continue in the downward direction like his previous films. The guy has pretty much squandered his success from The Sixth Sense. He also seems to come off like he's a bit egotistical and the fact that he cast himself as a writer who would save the world in one of his films doesn't really help people think he isn't a little bit full of himself. I hope the guy will get his head out of his ass one day and either drop writing altogether or get some people in there to help him out.

[Homyrrh]

Fun Fact: Bruce Willis banked $100+ million off of 'The Sixth Sense' per his royalty contract. Highest paid role ever.

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by someguy

Sixth Sense (64%)
Unbreakable (62%)
Signs (59%)
The Village (44%)
Lady in The Water (36%)

I honestly think Lady in the Water would be in the 50's, not the 30's, if it had come before The Village.

[someguy]

I'm not too sure about that. By that time the Shyamalan hate was strong anyways and stuff like the movie critic and Shyamalan's role in LITW were more offensive/bad than anything in The Village.

[adamjohnson]

Originally Posted by someguy

I'm not too sure about that. By that time the Shyamalan hate was strong anyways and stuff like the movie critic and Shyamalan's role in LITW were more offensive/bad than anything in The Village.

I agree. I thought LITW was quite good except for those two bits. (And actually quite scary for a few moments)

I wish Shamy would make a straight horror picture, balls to the walls, like Hills Have Eyes or something. I guarantee it would be terrifying.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by someguy

Sixth Sense (64%)
Unbreakable (62%)
Signs (59%)
The Village (44%)
Lady in The Water (36%)

Holy crap. I seriously was under the impression "The Sixth Sense" was way, way, way better reviewed. I was expecting it to be in the high 80's-low 90's.

[echo_bravo]

^^^^
No kidding. Isnt the Sixth Sense in AFI's 100 Best Films?

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by someguy

I'm not too sure about that. By that time the Shyamalan hate was strong anyways and stuff like the movie critic and Shyamalan's role in LITW were more offensive/bad than anything in The Village.

There was nothing offensive or bad about it and I'm tired people are making it more than it is.

He was just playing a role. Just like every other movie he's made, he was playing a role. There wasn't some gigantic huge symbolism behind it, it was a role. As for the movie critic, I thought it was funny. Nothing offensive about it.

Plus, it was a good movie. Great acting, great suspense. Some really breathtaking parts. Honestly if critics would just take their heads out their ass and actually review the movie and stop thinking too hard on whether or not they like him as a person and instead think of him as a director they would have realized this as well.

[someguy]

Originally Posted by LordSimen

There was nothing offensive or bad about it and I'm tired people are making it more than it is.

He was just playing a role. Just like every other movie he's made, he was playing a role. There wasn't some gigantic huge symbolism behind it, it was a role. As for the movie critic, I thought it was funny. Nothing offensive about it.

I can see this argument in The Village where he played that small role (won't say for spoilers). I can see it in Signs as the driver. I can see it in his other movies but I can't see it for LITW. Shyamalan is a writer and in the film he is playing a writer that will go on and save the world with his work. I think it's impossible to not see a connection there. Intentional or not it comes off as pretty egotistical to cast yourself in such a role.

Honestly if critics would just take their heads out their ass and actually review the movie and stop thinking too hard on whether or not they like him as a person and instead think of him as a director they would have realized this as well.

Can you support what you're saying about critics having their heads up their asses over him with some sort of evidence? You disagree with the consensus of critics over this film, I wouldn't necessarily say that they're wrong for not liking it or that you're wrong for liking it. You just enjoyed the movie and they didn't. I liked The Fountain when it has an average in the 50s on Metacritic. Do I think the critics have it wrong? No, I can see where people can find the movie flawed and just agree to disagree.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Oh someguy, you should know better.

LordSimen, when he means offensive, I assure you he doesn't mean it in the way you're taking it.

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by someguy

I can see this argument in The Village where he played that small role (won't say for spoilers). I can see it in Signs as the driver. I can see it in his other movies but I can't see it for LITW. Shyamalan is a writer and in the film he is playing a writer that will go on and save the world with his work. I think it's impossible to not see a connection there. Intentional or not it comes off as pretty egotistical to cast yourself in such a role.

There's a connection there but not the connection you seem to think there is.

Lady in the Water was a bedtime story he told his kids. He was in the movie because it was his story, and he was the one who'd tell the story to his kids. It was meant for them. There's NOTHING egotistical about it.

Originally Posted by someguy

Can you support what you're saying about critics having their heads up their asses over him with some sort of evidence? You disagree with the consensus of critics over this film, I wouldn't necessarily say that they're wrong for not liking it or that you're wrong for liking it. You just enjoyed the movie and they didn't. I liked The Fountain when it has an average in the 50s on Metacritic. Do I think the critics have it wrong? No, I can see where people can find the movie flawed and just agree to disagree.

YOU provided the evidence for me. You implied that the reason the movie was rated lower because critics found Shamalan offensive. That doesn't matter. What does matter is whether the movie is good or not, not whether or not it is offensive. That's having their head up their ass.

And yes, I know the critics are wrong. I don't just think it. I know it. They're not reviewing it as a movie. I won't agree to disagree to this because I'm tired of seeing this movie get shit on for no reason. There's nothing offensive about the movie.

[JohnLocke2342]

oh my goddddd here we go.

Anyway, I think M. Night Shamalalalalamamayan is pretty cool. I dug sixth sense, was bored through unbreakable ( saw it later, liked it a lil bit more), I really REALLY dug Signs, didn't like the village or Lady too much. This one does look much better tho, in my, uneccessary opinion.

[CosmicPuppet]

For God's sake, the movie was crap! Drop it already. Shyamalan's biggest enemy isn't critics, it's himself. Some Guy pointed it out already, he needs to stop writing his films. His characters are some of the most flat dramatic characters I've encountered. Every film gets worse. It's not rocket science. There is no agenda to destroy his career, it just so happens that he makes films people don't like, including me. Even if he wasn't in Lady in the Water, it'd still be a boring mess of a movie.

Do you honestly believe the only reason people faulted Lady in the Water was because of his role? That's ridiculous.

"Oh, man this movie is great! Wait, what?! He cast himself as a writer who will save the world? Never mind, this movie is terrible."

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by LordSimen

There's a connection there but not the connection you seem to think there is.

Lady in the Water was a bedtime story he told his kids. He was in the movie because it was his story, and he was the one who'd tell the story to his kids. It was meant for them. There's NOTHING egotistical about it.

Shamylan made a book about himself.

And I quote:

If [LitW] came together, it would be like Dylan and Clapton and Springsteen and Eminem and Kanye West and Miles Davis and Bonnie Raitt and Joan Armatrading and Jerry Garcia and every musician you've ever loved joining George Harrison and belting out the opening chord of 'A Hard Day's Night' at the same time."

[on demanding execs read his scripts on their days off] "[Shyamalan] was comfortable getting in the middle of people's weekend. He felt that the reading of his script should not be considered work. It should add to the weekend's pleasure."

"If you're a Bob Dylan, a Michael Jordan, a Walt Disney - if you're M. Night Shyamalan -"

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Shamylan made a book about himself.

And I quote:

If [LitW] came together, it would be like Dylan and Clapton and Springsteen and Eminem and Kanye West and Miles Davis and Bonnie Raitt and Joan Armatrading and Jerry Garcia and every musician you've ever loved joining George Harrison and belting out the opening chord of 'A Hard Day's Night' at the same time."

[on demanding execs read his scripts on their days off] "[Shyamalan] was comfortable getting in the middle of people's weekend. He felt that the reading of his script should not be considered work. It should add to the weekend's pleasure."

"If you're a Bob Dylan, a Michael Jordan, a Walt Disney - if you're M. Night Shyamalan -"

I'm afraid I don't see your point.

[SkyNet]

you know.. before The Sixth Sense.. the man DID Direct and write a flick with fuckin Rosie O'Donnell!! (Wide Awake i think its called)

i think The Happening looks awesome, and cant wait to see it.. th ebig problem is this opening opposite Hulk, and i think it is going to go down against Hulk

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by LordSimen

I'm afraid I don't see your point.

The man's the most arrogant motherfucker in the history of humanity.

[MidnightAngel]

It ain't the marketting, the film sucks!

[someguy]

While I disagree with 100% of LordSimen says (and I'm sure a lot of people reading this thread feels the same) I'm not going to waste any more time on it.

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by Gordon

The man's the most arrogant motherfucker in the history of humanity.

How so?

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by LordSimen

How so?

Well, kid, you gotta put more attention to what he says, there, kitten.

Oh crap, see how condescending that sounds? Someone might read it and go "Well it isn't condescending, I don't see it. It's just how X is." but it's still condescending and arrogant.

How's that?
*waits for tests results*

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by X-Nightcrawler

Well, kid, you gotta put more attention to what he says, there, kitten.

Oh crap, see how condescending that sounds? Someone might read it and go "Well it isn't condescending, I don't see it. It's just how X is." but it's still condescending and arrogant.

How's that?
*waits for tests results*

What the hell are you talking about?

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by LordSimen

What the hell are you talking about?

The man is being a condescending wiseass and you're not noticing it, there, kid.

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by X-Nightcrawler

The man is being a condescending wiseass and you're not noticing it, there, kid.

'Eh?

[X-Nightcrawler]

I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri rock. I need scissors! 61!

[LordSimen]

Yeah. You make no sense...

[X-Nightcrawler]

Do I make no sense, or do I make a lot of sense?

[someguy]

Originally Posted by X-Nightcrawler

Well, kid, you gotta put more attention to what he says, there, kitten.

Oh crap, see how condescending that sounds? Someone might read it and go "Well it isn't condescending, I don't see it. It's just how X is." but it's still condescending and arrogant.

How's that?
*waits for tests results*

What X is saying here is that he made a statement that is condescending. But someone can look at it and say that it isn't condescending at all because it's just X doing what he usually does. Of course, this is wrong because it's still a condescending statement and the person who made the 'it's just X' explanation is not noticing that there is an amount of condescension.

The point here is that you saying that M. Night Shyamalan's role in Lady in The Water is not an arrogant move because it was for his kids and 'just a role' is not noticing that there is an amount of arrogance for a writer to cast themselves in a role as a writer whose works will save the world.

I just decided to make X's point clear to you Simen.

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by someguy

The point here is that you saying that M. Night Shyamalan's role in Lady in The Water is not an arrogant move because it was for his kids and 'just a role' is not noticing that there is an amount of arrogance for a writer to cast themselves in a role as a writer whose works will save the world.

Yeah, but we live in the real world, not X's world. And in the real world there's nothing arrogant about casting yourself in your own movie, one which you made based on a bed time story for your children. Not to mention the movie itself was also meant for your children, and I'm sure nothing would make those kids happier than looking at the screen and saying "Hey look, it's daddy!"

There's nothing arrogant about that. At all.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally Posted by LordSimen

Yeah, but we live in the real world, not X's world. And in the real world there's nothing arrogant about casting yourself in your own movie, one which you made based on a bed time story for your children. Not to mention the movie itself was also meant for your children, and I'm sure nothing would make those kids happier than looking at the screen and saying "Hey look, it's daddy!"

There's nothing arrogant about that. At all.

There's nothing inherently wrong with it, you are right.

Unfortunately for your point, X doesn't keep insisting his world is the best world for a viewing audience, despite continued and increasing negative reception from that audience.

More than one reason has been given for why M. Night is considered arrogant, and to ignore those reasons to pigeon hole an easy out only indicates you are living in M. Night's world and not the real world.

In the real world, people don't say that Lady in the Water got bad reviews because no one liked The Village, especially when The Village has better reviews than Lady in the Water --- How exactly does that reasoning come about?? Are you saying that if people thought The Village was the best movie ever, they would have liked Lady in the Water a lot more? Yes, that's what you seem to be saying.





As for the marketing of this movie, all I have to say is this is the stupidest, most pointless thing I've ever heard....

THE FIRST R-RATED MOVIE FROM M. NIGHT!!!
Then put the R in bold red!!!

I mean, really...

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by BubbaStrangelove

In the real world, people don't say that Lady in the Water got bad reviews because no one liked The Village, especially when The Village has better reviews than Lady in the Water --- How exactly does that reasoning come about?? Are you saying that if people thought The Village was the best movie ever, they would have liked Lady in the Water a lot more? Yes, that's what you seem to be saying.

Lady in the Water didn't get trashed for itself. It got trashed for outside reasons beyond it's control, one being people were pissed off at Shamalan for The Village and the other being the critics couldn't take being poked fun of nor could they get their heads out of their asses to just watch the movie. Instead of caring about the reason a person is playing a role how about you pay attention to whether or not he played the damn role well, fucking critics.

[Scarfather]

Originally Posted by X-Nightcrawler

I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap-jaw space with the tuning fork does a raw blink on Hara-kiri rock. I need scissors! 61!

An Anemone or Clematis plant's juice can cause a rash. When pruning them, it's a good idea to wear gloves.

[Jig Saw 123]

I wish Shamalan would get back to his old ways like Sixth Sense and Unbreakable. Those were both amazing films, I even loved The Village. But The Happening just looks retarded, maybe he has lost his way, or maybe it's a phase he's going through. I hope he gets back on track after this maybe Avatar will be that film...