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[Mr. Moe]

I personally loved King Kong. Liked it better than the original and way better than the first remake.

[Evil Jeremy]

Does anyone know the name of the epic music in the last third of the trailer when one of the Na'vi jumps off a cliff and Sully says "Great" or something like that?

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by RicochetShaw

I thought Jackson's King Kong was spectacular.

That's cause it was.

[IQuitMrWhite]

Originally Posted by Mr. Moe

I personally loved King Kong. Liked it better than the original and way better than the first remake.

I agree. The original may have only been 90 mins long, but I had to fast-forward through most of it. It was boring as shit. And I'm no hater of old movies. Jackson's King Kong was a masterpiece, and deserves more praise. Those special effects trounce anything in any other generic CGI-laden POS. And the acting served the same purpose as any other action epic, just like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Aliens, etc: to merely progress to the next bad ass scene.

[zombievictim]

I cannot fucking wait for this movie. The first trailer made me a little hesitant just because I wasn't sure what to expect. But now that I've seen the full blown trailer and tv spots, I could not be more excited. My last day of exams is December 18th, and I'll be treating myself to some Avatar later that day!

[nickula11]

The extended cut of King Kong is even better.
Anyway, Avatar is going to be good. Cameron won't disappoint.

[PreySlayDisplay]

I can't wait for Cameron's long awaited return to the big screen. Looks amazing.

[anakinsrise]

Avatar - TV Spot #1: Japanese Panasonic Spot [2009]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSxJsOlX4BA

Avatar iTag Amp Suit virtual reality toy SO DAMN COOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqSnDmSPSc

[kru3ger]

Originally Posted by anakinsrise

Avatar - TV Spot #1: Japanese Panasonic Spot [2009]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSxJsOlX4BA

Avatar iTag Amp Suit virtual reality toy SO DAMN COOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqSnDmSPSc

Damn! That iTag thing is pretty damn cool!

[echo_bravo]

I was at a sports bar to watch Game 6 of the World Series this week and the TV spots got a really good response from most of the crowd there. A lot of people sitting at the bar were saying "Holy shit" and "damn that looks good". Some of my friends who arent big movie buffs at all were very impressed with the trailer and were all about seeing it opening weekend.

I think this movie will definitely be HUGE

[grungehippy]

I'm pleased as punch as anyone that Cameron is doing another film, let alone a sci-fi film. What makes me nervous is that this could be the one film that unravels his catalouge. Sure the effects and imagination will be through the roof and I greatly respect his work, I hope he just isn't getting ahead of himself.

[kru3ger]

Originally Posted by echo_bravo

I was at a sports bar to watch Game 6 of the World Series this week and the TV spots got a really good response from most of the crowd there. A lot of people sitting at the bar were saying "Holy shit" and "damn that looks good". Some of my friends who arent big movie buffs at all were very impressed with the trailer and were all about seeing it opening weekend.

I think this movie will definitely be HUGE

Definitely good to see the general audience digging this movie. If they keep the hype train up and keep pushing the advertisement then I think this should do pretty damn well at the box office. I mean girls will go "omg the director of titantic" and guys will go "omg the director of T2!!" then you got guys and girls from all ages lining up.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally Posted by APzombie

King Kong was excruciating to watch. It's a remake of a simple and wonderful 90 minute film that is stretched out to a whopping three hours and seven minutes (or three hours and twenty one minutes if you are watching the extended version). And with the nearly two extra hours, what exactly does it add to the tale that the 1933 classic didn't already cover? Absolutely nothing at all. The characters are worse than paper thin (can you honestly defend Jimmy being in this movie?), there is no tension on skull island, just obnoxiously bloated set pieces and Jackson's cinematic theory of "bigger means better" translates to "anything thats worth doing is worth overdoing until it's dead" and that theory gets incredibly irritating when you realize that there is no organic flow, just a poor weaving of Pixelated set pieces.

The dialogue is beyond camp, it literally belongs in the realm of pure cinematic suicide, it's interchangeable between the characters (Jack Black says Beauty killed the beast, but his character doesn't earn the punchline, he was a dick until the last scene and then magically he knows their real relationship? Bullshit Peter, you just wanted to throw in the classic line and Faye already died, so you had to give it to Jack.)

It wasn't beauty that killed it, it was fucking bloat.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, AP. I can definitely see where you're coming from now.

As for the dialog, it definitely is a bit off, but I found that it was trying to emulate the depression era... which would certainly making it sound dated. But, maybe I'm just using confirmation bias for a film that I enjoyed the hell out of. Either way, good analysis, you've defended your stance well.

[SoCool]

...I'll just let him speak for me as to what I thought about King Kong.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/.../51203002/1023

As for Avatar - I'm almost excited.

[labialover]

How did this turn into a King Kong thread? It was and entertaining movie, leave it at that.

With everything I've read about Cameron leading up to this movie. I agree with him about what he's said with Titanic. It seemed like the media and people wanted to hate the shit out of that movie, and that's what I'm seeing and reading right now.

Quentin, I'm curious to know why you think District 9 and 300 weren't original takes on each of their genres? I personally haven't seen a movie that has looked like, or was as ambitious, as Avatar is. Cameron isn't known for his amazing storytelling. I'm pretty sure from his movies I've seen, the stories are very simple.

And visually, this movie looks much better than anything I ever saw in any of the Star Wars Prequels. The only thing that seemed off in the new trailer was Ribisi sounding similar to Ari Gold, and Joel Moore in a serious role after only knowing him from Grandma's Boy.

[anakinsrise]

New T.V spot with some cool new footage music sucks though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUJiXErE6E

[APzombie]

Originally Posted by SoCool

...I'll just let him speak for me as to what I thought about King Kong.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/.../51203002/1023

As for Avatar - I'm almost excited.

While i almost always generally agree with Ebert, he does have a tenancy to overpraise effects laden garbage of recent years. Films like King Kong, A Christmas Carole and The Polar Express have gotten four stars for seemingly doing little else than produce gluttonously overproduced set pieces.

I don't want to turn this completely into a King Kong thread, i stated how my Avatar fear is that it won't see a narrative Forrest through the pixelated trees it produces like i believe King Kong did. Whether you enjoyed King Kong or not i at least hope my concern makes sense.

I do have more hope for Avatar than Kong as i feel James Cameron is a much better filmmaker than Jackson is.

[APzombie]

Originally Posted by anakinsrise

New T.V spot with some cool new footage music sucks though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUJiXErE6E

Seems like they've changed the mood of it all with this spot. It feels like a tease for HOOK or THE ADVENTURERS DOWN UNDER.

Maybe it's be PG?

[dellamorte dellamore]

With all the hype about the lifelike character models, they look anything but, it screams fake. I don't think there is one image of the Navi that, even for a second, looked lifelike. The movement still has an unnatural aspect to it and the facial detail is cumbersome, like something you would see in Nba Live... 2004

It won't matter to me though, i'm finally going to see a full length feature film based on the world of Panzer Dragoon

[Jig Saw 123]

Originally Posted by dellamorte dellamore

With all the hype about the lifelike character models, they look anything but, it screams fake. I don't think there is one image of the Navi that, even for a second, looked lifelike. The movement still has an unnatural aspect to it and the facial detail is cumbersome, like something you would see in Nba Live... 2004

It won't matter to me though, i'm finally going to see a full length feature film based on the world of Panzer Dragoon

I would have to say that there is one image that shows that the Navi can look real.

[kru3ger]

Originally Posted by Jig Saw 123

I would have to say that there is one image that shows that the Navi can look real.

I dunno, I think NBA Live 04 has this whole thing beat

[Silverload]

Originally Posted by anakinsrise

New T.V spot with some cool new footage music sucks though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUJiXErE6E

WTF!? Did they really just advertise Avatar like this? Wow. I've loved everything that I've seen except this. Fox is a bunch of idiots.

[Jig Saw 123]

People's complaints about things regarding this film, never cease to amaze me. Its like they expected the aliens to look like an ugly, long headed, acid spitting alien.

[kru3ger]

Originally Posted by Jig Saw 123

People's complaints about things regarding this film, never cease to amaze me. Its like they expected the aliens to look like an ugly, long headed, acid spitting alien.

I have only 1 thing to say to these people

[misbehave]

Originally Posted by Jig Saw 123

I thought Avatar was a finished work of art and was just awaiting December release? I didn't know what we got in the teaser was unfinished cgi.

Not sure you watch the Transformers 2 DVD Disc 2 or not, but even Micheal
Bay was still working with his team trying to adjust some of the scene a couple hours right before the premier of Transformers2 in Toyko and Bay is considered as one of those fast working directors in the business.

So, wait til you see the whole thing.
I really don't understand all the bashing of the film here even before anyone see it. Simply don't go watch it if you really feel that bad about how it is going to be.
As for me, James Cameron is still my more favorite director.
Terminator, Terminator 2, Aliens, and True Lies are still my most loved movies.
All 4 movies have been such wonderful theater experience for me and I have re-watched the DVDs countless of times to the point I remember every single line from them.
I still haven't been able to watch the director's cut of The Abyss.
I didn't like Titanic not because it wasn't good but simply I am not into that kind of love story movies (Ghost is the only chick-flick I like).
That's 4 out of 6. I have faith in Cameron.

[misbehave]

Originally Posted by KcMsterpce

I completely disagree with this argument.
Animators will tell you that one of the most DIFFICULT things to recreate - especially with CGI - is the human form. Reason being that EVERY DAY for our whole lives we see humans in movement. Therefore, recreating the natural motion and appearance of the body is one of the most difficult, because we are most familiar with it.

For a non-humanoid CGI marvel, I also give example to the anteater in KINGDOM HOSPITAL. I was amazed at the quality of that creation - especially since it was done for television.

Reminds me of Xaiver in X-men Origin. It was so fake to the point it becomes funny.
On the other hand, the CGI Governator in Terminator Salvation wasn't really all that bad.

[misbehave]

Originally Posted by anakinsrise

Even better on the big screen im so hyped i may pick up the action figures this weekend

If they will make those gunships and mechs in smaller scale diecast format I might buy them too.
The plastic ones they are selling now are way too big for older "kids" like me.

[misbehave]

Originally Posted by Jig Saw 123

It played in front of all the major releases that came out last week (Saw VI, Astro Boy, Cirque du Freak: The Vampire's Assistant).

I saw the trailer with Law Abiding Citizen.

[misbehave]

Originally Posted by IQuitMrWhite

I agree. The original may have only been 90 mins long, but I had to fast-forward through most of it. It was boring as shit. And I'm no hater of old movies. Jackson's King Kong was a masterpiece, and deserves more praise. Those special effects trounce anything in any other generic CGI-laden POS. And the acting served the same purpose as any other action epic, just like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Aliens, etc: to merely progress to the next bad ass scene.

One thing I can never get over with about PJ's King Kong is that how a bunch of people went to the island and decided to capture a huge monkey and take it back when there are badass dinos like the T-Rex on the same island.
Go figure......

[LordSimen]

Originally Posted by misbehave

One thing I can never get over with about PJ's King Kong is that how a bunch of people went to the island and decided to capture a huge monkey and take it back when there are badass dinos like the T-Rex on the same island.
Go figure......

You must have had a problem with the original King Kong then too.

[nickula11]

The TV spot is pushing it a different angle, it's awesome footage though!!!
According to the front page of our favorite website the film has to hit $500 million to break even. They're going to shop it to every demographic - who can blame them?

[ericdraven]

Originally Posted by misbehave

One thing I can never get over with about PJ's King Kong is that how a bunch of people went to the island and decided to capture a huge monkey and take it back when there are badass dinos like the T-Rex on the same island.
Go figure......

they did that in Jurassic Park 2. in fact, I think the island in KK and JP are the same.

[Silverload]

Originally Posted by nickula11

According to the front page of our favorite website the film has to hit $500 million to break even. They're going to shop it to every demographic - who can blame them?

That's actually normal. Most people know that movies have to make 2 1/2x - 3x their budget to break even, and this is why. Once you factor in everything beyond making the film then the real number spent on a film is easily around 3x the said budget. This year alone we've already had two $500million (real number) movies with both Terminator Salvation and Transformers 2.

The most expensive movie made is POTC: At World's End. It had a budget of $300million and when you factor in the multiplier then the real number jumps up to $700million+.

[zombievictim]

Whenever I hear people say that they find the effects in this movie to be poor, I automatically know that they just want to bash the film and have no intention of giving the film a fair chance. I hate people like this.

[BakeTheMooCow]

Originally Posted by Silverload

That's actually normal. Most people know that movies have to make 2 1/2x - 3x their budget to break even, and this is why. Once you factor in everything beyond making the film then the real number spent on a film is easily around 3x the said budget. This year alone we've already had two $500million (real number) movies with both Terminator Salvation and Transformers 2.

The most expensive movie made is POTC: At World's End. It had a budget of $300million and when you factor in the multiplier then the real number jumps up to $700million+.

According to those guidelines, Avatar would have to break $1.5 billion to break even because just the production and marketing is supposed to have cost $500 million.

[Silverload]

Originally Posted by BakeTheMooCow

According to those guidelines, Avatar would have to break $1.5 billion to break even because just the production and marketing is supposed to have cost $500 million.

No, the $500 million is after the multiplier. The actual budget is $230million, the cost after the multiplier (counting international marketing, etc...) is $500million. Why this article was written I don't know, because you could write the exact same article for any $200million movie.

[zombievictim]

Originally Posted by Silverload

Why this article was written I don't know, because you could write the exact same article for any $200million movie.

It's called lack of experience from the writer.

[DarkElfa]

I'm afraid that this just won't make the bank that Titanic did by any means. I'm also afraid this just won't make its cost back either. Titanic had something this film is sorely lacking and that's the purchasing power of little girls. When little girls like something they obsess over it. My money is that as sad as it may be, New Moon will out gross this film.

[misbehave]

Originally Posted by LordSimen

You must have had a problem with the original King Kong then too.

Not really, in fact I like all the King Kong movies even the black and white ones.
I said I can never get over that part of those little people not getting a T-Rex but a huge monkey doesn't mean I don't like PJ's King Kong as a whole.

[misbehave]

Originally Posted by DarkElfa

I'm afraid that this just won't make the bank that Titanic did by any means. I'm also afraid this just won't make its cost back either. Titanic had something this film is sorely lacking and that's the purchasing power of little girls. When little girls like something they obsess over it. My money is that as sad as it may be, New Moon will out gross this film.

Yeah, I remember there was this English lady on the news who claimed she watched Titanic 39 times in the theater......
Best chick flick of all time.

When you guys mentioned about Cameron's one liners, how could you guys forget the best one: "Wearing this, wearing ONLY this."
I personally rank this higher than " You jump, I jump!" or " I will be back."