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Old 07-25-2008, 07:23 PM
The 50 greatest boxers of all-time

According to espn

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...t&lid=tab4pos2

50. Mike Tyson

Heavyweight
Ring career: 1985-2005. Record: 50-6-0-2 (44 KOs)


49. Erik Morales

Super bantamweight, featherweight, junior lightweight
Ring career: 1993-present Record: 48-5 (34 KOs)


48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Junior lightweight, lightweight, junior welterweight, welterweight, junior middleweight
Ring career: 1996-present. Record: 38-0 (24 KOs)


47. Bernard Hopkins

Middleweight, light heavyweight
Ring career: 1988-present Record: 47-4-1 (32 KOs)


46. Roy Jones Jr.

Middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight, heavyweight
Ring career: 1989-present Record: 50-4 (38 KOs)


45. Carlos Monzon

Middleweight
Ring career: 1963-77 Record: 87-3-9-1 (59 KOs)


44. Pernell Whitaker

Lightweight, junior welterweight, welterweight
Ring career: 1984-2001 Record: 40-4-1-1 (17 KOs)


43. Marco Antonio Barrera

Junior featherweight, featherweight, junior lightweight
Ring career: 1989-present Record: 63-5 (42 KOs)


42. Alexis Arguello

Featherweight, junior lightweight, lightweight, junior welterweight
Ring career: 1968-95 Record: 80-8 (64 KOs)


41. Ted "Kid" Lewis

Featherweight, welterweight, middleweight, light heavyweight, heavyweight
Ring career: 1909-29 Record: 173-30-14 (71 KOs) and 65 no-decisions


40. Evander Holyfield

Cruiserweight, heavyweight
Ring career: 1984-present Record: 41-8-2 (26 KOs)


39. Oscar De La Hoya

Junior lightweight, lightweight, junior welterweight, welterweight, junior middleweight, middleweight
Ring career: 1992-present Record: 38-5 (32 KOs)


38. Larry Holmes

Heavyweight
Ring career: 1973-2002 Record: 69-6 (44 KOs)


37. Thomas Hearns

Welterweight, junior middleweight, middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight, cruiserweight
Ring career: 1977-2006 Record: 61-5-1 (48 KOs)


36. Eder Jofre

Bantamweight, featherweight
Ring career: 1957-76 Record: 72-2-4 (50 KOs)


35. Marvin Hagler

Middleweight
Ring career: 1973-87 Record: 62-3-2 (57 KOs)


34. Emile Griffith

Welterweight, junior middleweight, middleweight
Ring career: 1958-77 Record: 85-24-2-1 (23 KOs)


33. Ruben Olivares

Bantamweight, featherweight
Ring career: 1965-88 Record: 88-13-3 (78 KOs)


32. Jose Napoles

Welterweight, middleweight
Ring career: 1958-75 Record: 77-7 (54 KOs)


31. Billy Conn

Middleweight, light heavyweight, heavyweight
Ring career: 1935-48 Record: 63-12-1 (14 KOs)


30. Terry McGovern

Bantamweight, featherweight Ring career: 1897-1908 Record: 60-4-4 (42 KOs) and 10 no-decisions


29. Sandy Saddler

Featherweight, junior lightweight Ring career: 1944-57 Record: 144-16-2 (103 KOs)


28. Jake LaMotta

Middleweight Ring career: 1941-54 Record: 83-19-4 (30 KOs)


27. Ezzard Charles

Middleweight, light heavyweight, heavyweight Ring career: 1940-59 Record: 96-25-1 (58 KOs)


25. Marcel Cerdan

Middleweight Ring career: 1934-49 Record: 106-4 (61 KOs)


24. Julio Cesar Chavez

Super featherweight, lightweight, junior welterweight, welterweight Ring career: 1980-2005 Record: 108-6-2 (87 KOs)


23. Jimmy McLarnin

Flyweight, lightweight, welterweight Ring career: 1923-36 Record: 62-11-3 (20 KOs) and 1 no-decision


22. Barney Ross

Lightweight, junior welterweight, welterweight Ring career: 1929-38 Record: 72-4-3 (22 KOs) and 2 no-decisions


21. Tony Canzoneri

Bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight, junior welterweight Ring career: 1925-39 Record: 137-24-10 (44 KOs) and 4 no-decisions


20. George Foreman

Heavyweight Ring career: 1969-97 Record: 76-5 (68 KOs)


19. Stanley Ketchel

Middleweight, heavyweight Ring career: 1903-10 Record: 52-4-4 (49 KOs) and 4 no-decisions


18. Archie Moore

Light heavyweight, heavyweight Ring career: 1935-63 Record: 183-24-10-1 (131 KOs)


17. Mickey Walker

Welterweight, middleweight, light heavyweight, heavyweight
Ring career: 1919-35 Record: 93-19-4-1 (60 KOs) and 46 no-decisions


16. Gene Tunney

Heavyweight Ring career: 1915-28 Record: 61-1-1-1 (45 KOs) and 19 no-decisions


15. Jimmy Wilde

Flyweight Ring career: 1910-23 Record: 131-3-2 (99 KOs) and 13 no-decisions Career


13. Harry Greb

Middleweight Ring career: 1913-26 Record: 105-8-3 (48 KOs) and 183 no-decisions


12. Sugar Ray Leonard

Welterweight, junior middleweight, middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight Ring career: 1977-97 Record: 36-3-1 (25 KOs)


11. Joe Gans

Lightweight Ring career: 1891-1909 Record: 120-8-9 (85 KOs) and 18 no-decisions


10. Sam Langford

Lightweight, welterweight, middleweight, heavyweight
Ring career: 1902-26 Record: 167-38-37-3 (117 KOs) and 48 no-decisions


9. Jack Dempsey

Heavyweight
Ring career: 1914-27 Record: 61-6-8 (50 KOs) and 6 no-decisions


8. Jack Johnson

Heavyweight
Ring career: 1897-1928 Record: 77-13-14 (48 KOs) and 19 no-decisions


7. Benny Leonard

Lightweight
Ring career: 1911-32 Record: 85-5-1 (69 KOs) and 121 no-decisions


6. Roberto Duran

Lightweight, welterweight, junior middleweight, middleweight
Ring career: 1968-2001 Record: 103-16 (70 KOs)


4. Joe Louis

Heavyweight
Ring career: 1934-51 Record: 68-3 (54 KOs)


3. Henry Armstrong

Featherweight, lightweight, welterweight
Ring career: 1932-45 Record: 151-21-9 (101 KOs)


2. Muhammad Ali

Heavyweight
Ring career: 1960-81 Record: 56-5 (37 KOs)


1. Sugar Ray Robinson

Welterweight, middleweight
Ring career: 1940-65 Record: 175-19-6-2 (109 KOs)


Feel free to nitpick the list or make your own.
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:46 PM
My list:

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Harry Greb
5. Sam Langford
6. Roberto Duran
7. Joe Louis
8. Jimmy Wilde
9. Ezzard Charles
10. Benny Leonard
11. Ray Leonard
12. Eder Jofre
13. Willie Pep
14. Carlos Monzon
15. Archie Moore
16. Marvin Hagler
17. Sandy Saddler
18. Gene Tunney
19. Michael Spinks
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Roy Jones, Jr.
22. Jack Dempsey
23. Salvador Sanchez
24. Emile Griffith
25. Mickey Walker
26. Billy Conn
27. Alexis Arguello
28. Tommy Hearns
29. Bob Fitzsimmons
30. Bob Foster
31. Fighting Harada
32. Evander Holyfield
33. Sonny Liston
34. Rocky Marciano
35. Marcel Cerdan
36. Larry Holmes
37. Bernard Hopkins
38. Barney Ross
39. Pasquel Perez
40. Charley Burley
41. Julio Cesar Chavez
42. Joe Frazier
43. Tony Canzoneri
44. Jose Napoles
45. Lloyd Marshall
46. Joe Gans
47. Chang Jung Koo
48. Holman Williams
49. Tiger Flowers
50. Tommy Burns
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:07 PM
Robinson is a smart choice for number one, but Ray Leonard is WAY too high...
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Old 07-26-2008, 11:22 AM
Tyson at 50 and him not even listed on your personal list?!???! Tyson in his peak was one of the greatest Boxers EVER, not just of his day, EVER. I would stand to reason that he would have beat anybody in the history of boxing at his peak.
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Old 07-26-2008, 01:20 PM
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Tyson in his peak was one of the greatest Boxers EVER, not just of his day, EVER.
That is the fundamental flaw when making lists like this. Are you ranking people by how great they were in their prime, or are you ranking them by their career accomplishments? Needless to say, that makes a HUGE difference. De la Hoya is a great example. At his peak, he was great, but he wasn't realy dominant, especially when compared to Tyson. However, Oscar has won belts in 6 different weight classes and has beaten more champions than any fighter in history. So for his career, he craps on Tyson. But who was better at their peak? I don't think it's close... it's gotta be Tyson. They're two very different questions. that's why I boycott lists like this. I'll just say that I beleive Larry Holmes is the 3rd best heavyweight ever, behind Joe Louis and Ali, so he should be higher than he is on the list, and you must've copied the list wrong cause Willie Pep is at least in the top 10, probably top 5, but I don't see him anywhere.

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Old 07-26-2008, 01:22 PM
Where is Rocky? And No Russian?
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:47 AM
I'm surprised Tyson isn't higher on the list . . . I would've thought he'd be top 20 at least. I guess after his peak, he dropped out of sight, but he was a monster when he was at his best.
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Old 07-27-2008, 07:59 PM
Best nicknames would make a better list...'Hitman' Hearns, Kassim 'The Dream' Ouma, 'Iron' Mike, 'No Mas' Duran, 'Mongoose' Moore, 'Boom Boom' Mancini...of course 'Raging Bull' La Motta.
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:12 PM
Julio Cesar Chavez should definitely be higher, he in my opinion is one of the greatest if not the greatest boxer of all time.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:59 AM
I agree about Chavez.

Tyson would have been much higher if he didn't piss his life away. He had a lot to learn in terms of doing something other than banking on one great hit.
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Old 07-28-2008, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by KingofKings2525 View Post
Tyson at 50 and him not even listed on your personal list?!???! Tyson in his peak was one of the greatest Boxers EVER, not just of his day, EVER. I would stand to reason that he would have beat anybody in the history of boxing at his peak.
Tyson got ass fucked for 10 rounds and KO'ed by a carpet technician. You don't get in this top 50 by KO'ing Tyrell Biggs.

A fighter is best definied by the men he beat, although skills do play a role. Some people ignore what a fighter did after he was past his prime, but I see this time as an excellent way to see how he'll do under stress. I try not to base fighters on hypothetical situations, as in, "I rank Wlad over Jerry Quarry because I think Wlad could maybe beat Jerry Quarry." The fact is that Jerry Quarry beat Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Floyd Patterson, Buster Mathis and Mac Foster against losses - mostly on cuts - to other greats, while Wladimir Klitschko beat Chris Byrd, and lost to three idiots by knockout.

The best thing you can do is constantly question your rankings, and assume that they're something wrong with them. I also avoid ranking fighters based on fights they clearly lost, like Billy Conn against Joe Louis or Vitali Klitschko against Byrd and Lewis.
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:07 PM
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Some people ignore what a fighter did after he was past his prime
That's kind of what I was getting at earlier. "Who had the best career?" is a completely different question than "Who was the best?" and unless the guidelines are clarified, lists like this don't really mean much to me.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:50 PM
The five best heavyweights of all time are:
#1 - Rocky Marciano
#2 - Muhammad Ali
#3 - Joe Louis
#4 - Vitali Klitschko
#5 - Lennox Lewis

The five best -- all divisions -- of all time are:
#1 - Rocky Marciano
#2 - Ray Robinson
#3 - Joe Calzaghe
#4 - Manny Pacquiao
#5 - Floyd Mayweather jr
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Old 07-28-2008, 04:03 PM
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I agree about Chavez.

Tyson would have been much higher if he didn't piss his life away. He had a lot to learn in terms of doing something other than banking on one great hit.
Hell yeah, Chavez would be much higher on my list. Glad to see others agree with this one. Most people I talk to about boxing don't even know who he is but the man had some of the best style and skills in his class. Like history says, he holds records for most successful defenses of world titles (27) and most title fights (37). He made it to 90 fights before he had a loss on his record. That's very impressive.
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Old 07-30-2008, 01:14 PM
this punch alone should claim eubank a spot. that shot after the ko!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi1JwB0rQ_s

funniest boxer of all time
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Old 08-06-2008, 01:53 PM
Wow.
Where is the love for Chavez?
I went from 10 years old to 21 years old and watched him dismantle every opponent over the space of 11 years! The man was a machine. Most importantly to me, he never showboated, was never involved in any problems, etc.
This guy should be in the top 10 on every list.

Also, Ali is perhaps the most overrated of all boxers of all time. I'm not saying he wasn't talented, he was gifted- BUT he didn't have the longevity needed to qualify for the top 10. Longer careers kill his claims to list topper.
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Old 08-29-2008, 11:38 AM
Interesting arguments both ways on Tyson. His rise to the top '85-'90 was impressive no doubt, but two things. I think first we get hung up on "how" he did this, with of course the impressive knockouts. It was alot of fun and that is what people like to see. Ranking top 50 knockout artists he would no doubt be higher than 50, but this is top 50 boxers of all time.

His competition was not on par with what Ali and Frazier faced in the '70s. I dont think there is even any comparison. I mean who did he really beat in that span between '85-'90. Trevor Berbick, Tim Witherspoon, Mitch "Blood" Green, a retired Larry Holmes, Marvis Frazier, a terrified Micheal Spinks.

After Douglas beat him in Toyko, Tyson was in effect done anyway. The top tier fighters weren't afraid of him anymore. His mystique was gone.

You can certainly argue both ways on Tyson and I'm not trying to take away from his accomplishments, but I think the 50 ranking is about right.
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Old 09-08-2008, 04:57 PM
Where is Rocky Marciano?
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:26 PM
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Tyson at 50 and him not even listed on your personal list?!???! Tyson in his peak was one of the greatest Boxers EVER, not just of his day, EVER. I would stand to reason that he would have beat anybody in the history of boxing at his peak.
After reading this post, I didn't even have to write my own. Mike Tyson, at 20 years old would have destroyed anyone in history; including Ali. Having him ranked 50th is a fucking joke.
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Old 10-04-2008, 03:39 AM
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That's kind of what I was getting at earlier. "Who had the best career?" is a completely different question than "Who was the best?" and unless the guidelines are clarified, lists like this don't really mean much to me.
This list could be ripped a thousand new assholes by any boxing expert. I don't claim to be an expert, leaving out Lewis and Foreman knowing full well tyson doesn't belong nowhere near a top 50 list in boxing history none the less even borderline a top 50.

This is pretty much wear this discussion has ended up

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Old 10-04-2008, 03:53 AM
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The five best heavyweights of all time are:
#1 - Rocky Marciano
#2 - Muhammad Ali
#3 - Joe Louis
#4 - Vitali Klitschko
#5 - Lennox Lewis

The five best -- all divisions -- of all time are:
#1 - Rocky Marciano
#2 - Ray Robinson
#3 - Joe Calzaghe
#4 - Manny Pacquiao
#5 - Floyd Mayweather jr
No offense but are you on drugs or something?
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Old 10-04-2008, 07:16 PM
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Also, Ali is perhaps the most overrated of all boxers of all time. I'm not saying he wasn't talented, he was gifted- BUT he didn't have the longevity needed to qualify for the top 10. Longer careers kill his claims to list topper.
Wtf?

Ali fucked up a whole generation of talented boxers. from Archie Moore to Leon Spinks, he fucked up Sonny Liston (twice), Floyd Patterson, Cleveland Williams, Jerry Quarry, Joe Frazier (twice) , Oscar Bonavena, Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, George Foreman, George Chuvalo, Karl Mildenberger...and the scary thing is that all of these guys could've been champion in the dumpsite that HW division is today. That makes him overrated?
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Old 10-04-2008, 08:07 PM
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Wtf?

Ali fucked up a whole generation of talented boxers. from Archie Moore to Leon Spinks, he fucked up Sonny Liston (twice), Floyd Patterson, Cleveland Williams, Jerry Quarry, Joe Frazier (twice) , Oscar Bonavena, Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, George Foreman, George Chuvalo, Karl Mildenberger...and the scary thing is that all of these guys could've been champion in the dumpsite that HW division is today. That makes him overrated?
Not only that but he lost 3 years of his prime to the Vietnam War or his refusal to participate in it. I would put Ali at the top because his talent transcended boxing.
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Old 10-26-2008, 01:13 AM
1. Ray Robinson
2. Roberto Duran
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:53 PM
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Tyson at 50 and him not even listed on your personal list?!???!
Kevin McBride doesn't make my list either.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:30 PM
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Tyson in his peak was one of the greatest Boxers EVER, not just of his day, EVER. I would stand to reason that he would have beat anybody in the history of boxing at his peak.
Spinks kicked ass at 175. He lost in the last fight of his career, wearing leg braces on both knees, against Tyson. Tyson at the end of his career looked equally pathetic, only against a much less worthy man.

Sorry, with Tyson's style, Foreman would have knocked his head off like a Rock'em Sock'em robot, (See Frazier fight). Foreman being only one name out of the hat amongst many others.

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Old 08-22-2009, 04:15 AM

The fact that Rocky Marciano isn't on that list makes ESPN's list a sham.

Sports Illustrated in their "Most Overrated and Most Underrated" issue pinpointed Muhammad Ali as the most overrated and Rocky Marciano as the most underrated.

Ali didn't knock that many people out and Marciano did. I mean honestly(49-0with 43 KO's?)
Plus he was UNDEFEATED and he knocked out Joe Louis(old or not; Louis DID make a very competent resurgence)

Ali IN HIS PRIME was formidable no doubt; but with two entirely different styles; who here with half a brain in their head thinks Marciano would have fallen for the "rope-a-dope"?
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Old 07-16-2010, 02:38 PM
MASSIVE bump.

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Old 07-23-2010, 12:20 AM

Ali, and then 49 other guys
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Old 07-23-2010, 12:37 AM
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Ali, and then 49 other guys
A lot of people feel this way. He's the most popular of all time by far, due to his remarkable personality. Probably the greatest heavyweight ever.

BUT...Robinson is the greatest of all-time. There is such an overwhelming consensus on this that it's really past the point of debate. Even Ali himself said that Robinson was the greatest.
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Old 07-23-2010, 08:20 AM
Ask most history boxing people and they will say Robinson was the best.
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Old 07-23-2010, 12:28 PM
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Ask most history boxing people and they will say Robinson was the best.
Because he was. He had the best career. At one point he was 105-1 or something like that, and the only loss was when he moved up to middleweight to fight Jake LaMotta, who was a fucking beast and the last person you'd want to fight when adjusting to a new weight. He then went to on beat him four more times. That's amazing.

And the notion that there are just "49 other guys" is insane! Roberto Duran went up from lightweight to welterweight and beat a younger, prime Sugar Ray Leonard. Roy Jones was an unstoppable tyrant for more than a decade and then moved up to heavyweight and beat John Ruiz, who was a top ten heavyweight who had beaten fucking Holyfield! Yeah, those just some "other guys" nobody cares about!
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Old 07-23-2010, 12:40 PM
And I agree. Also like the mentions of Chavez from some here. He should get more love as well as Rockey Marciano.
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Old 07-23-2010, 01:46 PM
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And I agree. Also like the mentions of Chavez from some here. He should get more love as well as Rockey Marciano.
Marciano actually IS ranked on this list, and very high. #14. There must've been a copy/paste overlooking. Personally, I don't think he ranks that high (as my list indicates). He was a great champion, and he beat some solid contenders, but that really wasn't the heyday of the heavyweight division. Joe Calzaghe's undefeated record is more impressive in my opinion because he cleaned out the super middleweight division, which is the most underrated division in the sport, and then went on to hold two titles in two weight classes simultaneously.

Calzaghe deserves more love.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:06 PM
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Old 09-04-2010, 03:54 PM
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That list is full of ignorance.

Marciano is lb 4 lb the greatest ever hw. He should be way higher on that list.

Same for Carlos Monzon, who's easily the best ever middleweight.

Ali was good, but people need to watch his fights before talking about him. So what he beat Archie Moore; Moore was out of his weight and way past his prime. Foreman's technique was shit. Frasier was vastly overrated. The Thriller in Manila was one of the most entertaining fights in hw history, as were many others from that era. Iconic boxers for sure thanks to photography and media. But great boxers? I think not.

Best boxers ever:
Monzon
Marciano
Ray Robinson
Pacquiao
Mayweather jr
Joe Louis
Chris John
Ray Leonard
No way is Marciano the best heavyweight ever. I don't even think he would've argued that. Based on what? That he built his resume on faded ex-champions and therefore never lost? While Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Ali, Holmes, and other greats who have better resumes are now inferior boxers who owe their careers to photography? No way.

You can put Chris John on the list once he beats JM Lopez, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Celestino Caballero, Steven Luevano, and all the other great fighters in his own division he won't even touch.
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Old 09-04-2010, 05:46 PM
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Old 09-04-2010, 06:48 PM
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Based on his skill. Based on the quality of his opponents like Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott.

Dempsey is quality, I love his tenacity; but his technique was poor. Tunney? not even close. Louis is a fair shout, but I consider Marciano's technique to be slightly better. Holmes? get real. Ali was the one who beat faded fighters (Archie Moore) and fighters that were by today's standard not even a HW (Patterson), Ali had to cheat to beat Henry Cooper, yeah, great fighter :roll: he struggled against Frasier who was in the great scheme of things a poor man's Tyson, and he made too much work of George "shit technique" Foreman, and a great boxer would never have lost to Ken Norton. He was pure media hype. Most charismatic? shit yeah. The greatest boxer? hell no.

No boxer owes their ability to photography. But many owe their hype and iconic status to the media, and the sheep who are easily manipulated and don't have a clue about the true greats, the type of ppl who've never seen a Monzon fight.


Chris John dodging ppl. Haha. Yeah that's why he fought JMM.

Gamboa is fucking quality. But he's too untried at the moment to deserve a shot against John. John would tear him apart too easily. Gamboa's defense is quite poor, always leading in with his head. He has loads of potential though. And one day Gamboa could be the fucking man, a potential #1 lb-4-lb, but he has a lot of work to do.

But John dodging Gamboa? that's funny.Why would someone who's supposedly affraid to fight the best go up against JMM?
Every fighter goes through a record-padding phase of their career. Marciano even went through one. When Ali fought Moore, his star had yet to shine. Moore was one of those guys who didn't know how to leave the sport, so naturally towards the end he was stuck fighting tomato cans and newcomers. Ali beat Frazier, a more accomplished fighter than Tyson which hardly makes him a poor man's version of him. Ali KO'd a young, prime Foreman, who punched harder than any of Rocky's opposition save a faded Joe Louis.

What's wrong with saying Holmes is one of the best? He's easily one of the top five best heavyweights ever. Explain to me how he isn't. One of the best technicians in the history of the sport. His technique was so much better than Marciano's and he probably would've put on a clinic had they ever been able to face each other. I'm not saying Marciano wasn't a great fighter, because he's an icon of the sport, but I personally believe that the names on his resume are impressive but misleading, as all those guys were past their best when he faced them. Undefeated record doesn't mean shit, unless you follow Floyd Mayweather's line of logic.

I didn't say John is dodging anyone, because for the last couple of years or so he's been in a state of perpetual illness or injury. But let's get real about his accomplishments and how they don't even stack up to those of Monzon or Robinson. He is a future HOFer, but Monzon, Robinson, Ali and those guys will be remembered because they cleaned out their division. John has yet to do that. He's been #1 in the featherweight division for a while now despite the obvious fact that Juanma is the biggest star in the division.
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Old 03-22-2011, 07:20 PM
I go for manny pacquiao as one of the best fighter and mayweather is the last fighter. LOL





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Old 04-22-2011, 07:03 PM
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I go for manny pacquiao as one of the best fighter and mayweather is the last fighter. LOL





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What? You must have no absolutely nothing about boxing or you a noob when it comes to the sport.

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