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You're right, I shouldn't of said story, it was the wrong word to use. Ryan has those other things as well, but the way they are presented compared to what Malick does in Thin Red Line, it can't be compared in my opinion. TRL just worked on so many multiple levels for me in the way Ryan didn't. |
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I gotta say... of all the awards this year.. the one that I am most looking forward to, and the 1 that I most want to see win is in the Best Documentary category and that movie is Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory.
Documentaries are supposed to highlight something that the general world may not know about so that we can gain a better appreciation for the topic. But the Paradise Lost films have done so much in not just highlighting that story but changing the lives of all the people involved and Bruce Synofsky & Joe Berlinger deserve the Academy Award for their efforts. I really hope they can come away with the Award. |
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Saw Extremely Loud last night, and well I was pleasantly surprised. Given the negative press surrounding the whole ordeal I was expecting sappy, screechy, gimme an Oscar bull crap. Was quite surprised that that really wasn't the case at all, its a very emotional movie and sometimes that equates with some people as being manipulative but I do not share that view regarding this film. It was an extremely brave film for tackling the subject matter, and its scope doesn't ever try to expand beyond the loss of the Tom Hanks character; some people find that to be a weakness. That would be like calling out The Deer Hunter for its focus and chosen scope. Handsomely mounted, this film is as much of a visual love letter to New York City as I've seen this decade, and this may be Sandra Bullock's finest performance. If any acting job deserved to be singled out from this movie, its her.
Keeping with the theme of the thread, I'd probably rank it 4/9 for BP, behind Hugo, Descendants, Tree of Life. I have now only got to see The Help and I've covered best picture. Still shocked by how good it was. I urge anyone to be open minded and ignore the critics, many of whom seem to have just missed the point. |
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TRL is about what real war is all about and it is a philosophical examination of humanity. One does not really experience real war as FDR, Rambo, etc. or with strong ideological convictions. In real war you're a kid from Texas who finds yourself stuck on some tiny rock in a conflict much bigger than you (as much is said in the initial dialogue between Penn and Caviezel). Beyond that the whole movie is about the clash of worlds (there is a large emphasis on the natives in this regard) and the beauty of humanity. The movie is absolutely perfect in every regard, with some well done action sequences, but which are only intended to advance the ideas. Saving Private Ryan is basically the war movie most everybody that is not an eccentric would want to make. It has a wonderful story but primarily is a fierce demonstration of combat, heavy on action and hyperbolic for the sake of the cinematic experience. Whereas TRL emphasizes a view of the oneness of human kind, Saving Private Ryan is nationalistic, emphasizing us-against-them in the primal way we all find much more natural. Anyhow, I finally got around to seeing Midnight in Paris and I have to say it really does deserve all of the nominations it has been getting. Last edited by Gordon; 02-13-2012 at 11:05 PM.. |
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The film's structure is flawed beyond belief and it all stems from the fact that we are not properly introduced to the main character and his affliction. Some of the things this kid does is not comprehensible unless you are familiar with his issue, which is barely hinted at in the actual film. The kid himself, though not a bad actor, has some of the most cringe worthy dialogue I've heard in a long time. Some of the stuff he says in his narration is pretty mind boggling, the fact that he keeps referring to 9/11 as "the worst day" about a 100 times was a little mind numbing as well. The best thing about this movie is, seriously, Max von Sydow. What he does in those few scenes is pretty intense and is the emotional core of the film. Everyone else (Davis, Wright, Goodman) is wasted. And not to mention one of the biggest blunders:
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The story goes that Eric Roth actually wrote a wonderful script for this film, but it got butchered by Daldry and his partners. You can definitely sense that when you watch it. Suffering the above, I've seen all 9 Best Picture noms and rank them like so: 1. Tree of Life 2. The Artist 3. Moneyball 4. Midnight in Paris 5. The Descendants 6. Hugo 7. The Help 8. Extremely Loud and Incredible Close 9. War Horse Quote:
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The ending was definitely off putting in the worst way. Can't argue with that. I thought the kids' character was well put forward, his ailments and all. I can't think of a better way to really do it, could you? I mean, its pretty obvious don't you think? Would you have preferred a more in your face approach? I've heard the stories about the altering of Roth's original script (mostly to remove a lot of the 9/11 stuff I've heard) and that's a shame because this could have been something very special. I think the resentment that Oscar has for his mother is merely because it was his father, who he was attached to in a special kind of way was the one who died and not his mother- this resentment all but disappears by films' end. Its also extremely possible that his mother never knew about the key; Hanks had purchased merely a pot. Its possible he never revealed the key, and I can also add that Oscar, in his state might have believed the key to be an extension of the last quest his father gave him. Being as attached as he was, he saw no place for his mother in it.
Just some thoughts, I definitely can agree its deeply flawed and in that respect reminds me of The Lovely Bones from a couple years back, another messy miss that could've been a masterpiece but settled for good (and a lot of people found it to be awful) that I immensely enjoyed. Just like this one. |
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Calling it what it is would of helped I think, instead of just hinting at it in passing. It wasn't obvious to me..
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Anyways, One more week. My current predictions below which I will revisit Saturday night. Picture: The Artist Director: Michel Hazanavicius, The Artist *Actor: Jean Dujardin, The Artist *Actress: Meryl Streep, The Iron Lady Supporting Actor: Christopher Plummer, Beginners Supporting Actress: Octavia Spencer, The Help *Original Screenplay: Woody Allen, Midnight in Paris *Adapted Screenplay: Bridget O'Connor & Peter Straughan, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy *Documentary Feature: Pina Animated Film: Rango *Foreign Language Film: A Separation Cinematography: Emmanuel Lubezki, The Tree of Life *Film Editing: Anne-Sohpie Bion & Michel Hazanavicius, The Artist Art Decoration: Dante Ferretti & Francesca Lo Schiavo, Hugo Score: Ludovic Bource, The Artist *Costume Design: Mark Bridges, The Artist Makeup: Mark Coulier & J. Roy Helland, The Iron Lady Original Song: Bret McKenzie, "Man or Muppet" Sound Editing: Philip Stockton & Eugene Guerty, Hugo Sound Mixing: Tom Fleishman & John Midgley, Hugo Visual Effects: Rise of the Planet of the Apes. *Documentary Short: Saving Face *Live Action Short: Tuba Atlantic *Animated Short: The Fantastic Flying Books of Mr. Morris Lessmore * = Extremely tight races. Last edited by DaMovieMan; 02-19-2012 at 03:23 PM.. |
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Final predictions (* indicates it could go another way):
Best Picture Will Win: The Artist Should Win: The Descendants Best Director Will Win: Michel Hazanivicus - The Artist Should Win: Terrence Malick - The Tree of Life Best Actor Will Win: Jean Dujardin - The Artist Should Win: George Clooney - The Descendants Best Actress Will Win: Viola Davis - The Help Should Win: Rooney Mara - The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo Best Supporting Actor Will Win: Christopher Plummer - Beginners Should Win: Jonah Hill - Moneyball Best Supporting Actress Will Win: Octavia Spencer - The Artist Should Win: Jessica Chastain - The Help Best Original Screenplay Will Win: Midnight in Paris Should Win: Bridesmaids (need to see A Separation though) Best Adapted Screenplay Will Win: Alexander Payne, Nat Faxon and Jim Rash - The Descendants Should Win: Alexander Payne, Nat Faxon and Jim Rash - The Descendants Best Foreign Film Will Win: A Separation Should Win: haven't seen any of them Best Animated Film Will Win: Rango Should Win: Rango Best Art Direction Will Win: Hugo Should Win: Hugo Best Cinematography Will Win: The Tree of Life Should Win: The Tree of Life *Costume Design Will Win: Hugo Should Win: Hugo *Best Documentary Will Win: Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory Should Win: Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory *Best Editing Will Win: The Artist Should Win: Moneyball Best Makeup Will Win: The Iron Lady Should Win: don't care Best Original Score Will Win: The Artist Should Win: Hugo Best Original Song Will Win: “Man or Muppet” - The Muppets Should Win: “Man or Muppet” - The Muppets *Best Sound Editing Will Win: War Horse Should Win: Drive *Best Sound Mixing Will Win: War Horse Should Win: Moneyball Best Visual Effects Will Win: Rise of the Planet of the Apes Should Win: Rise of the Planet of the Apes *Best Documentary Short Will Win: Saving Face Should Win: haven't seen any *Best Animated Short Will Win: The Fantastic Flying Books of Mr. Morris Lessmore Should Win: haven't seen any *Best Live Action Short Will Win: The Shore Should Win: haven't seen any The sound categories are the toughest. Last edited by Bourne101; 02-19-2012 at 07:57 PM.. |
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I actually doubt A Separation will win best foreign language, the favourite never seems to win that one.
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Exactly. I think In Darkness will be the victor here. A Polish film about the Holocaust, sounds right up their alley doesn't it?. I don't think the screenplay nomination for A Separation means a whole lot, past nominees considered.
Speaking of the foreign film nominees... I saw Monsieur Lazhar over the weekend. Twas playing at the cineplex downtown, I had gone to see Tinker Tailor, but this one was nearly forty minutes shorter and I wanted to be home early... can't really understand what exactly is so nomination worthy about it. Certainly wasn't bad. I enjoyed it a lot but at the same token wasn't anything special. Mohamed Fallag does a wonderful job with the main role, but it very superficially handles nearly everything it touches thematically. |
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I still haven't seen it, but I would be happy as hell if it somehow upsets in original screenplay. Foreign films have won there before, the last being Talk To Her. As I said before, it would also be amazing just to see an Iranian film finally take the prize. Iranian cinema has been among the best out there for a while now. |
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A Separation is very good, and well worth seeing just so you can sit open mouthed at how court cases are done in Iran, but it's probably over rated at this point, I don't think it's the 69th best film ever, as IMDB currently have it.
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#573
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69th best film ever? No way, that's IMDB's ridiculousness exemplified.
But a near masterpiece and one of the best from the whole year? Most definitely. I don't see how anything will be able to take Woody Allen's Script win here but A Separation has been sweeping so much I don't see it losing in the same vein as Amelie, Biutiful and so on...that trend will have to stop sooner or later, and I'm betting it's this year. Probably changing my Adapted Screenaplay prediction to the safer Descendants. After it's wins with the WGA and Eddie, I don't see it leaving empty handed. |
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FINAL PREDICTIONS:
Best Picture Will Win: The Artist Should Win: The Tree of Life Best Director Will Win: Michel Hazanivicus - The Artist Should Win: Terrence Malick - The Tree of Life Best Actor Will Win: Jean Dujardin - The Artist Should Win: Gary Oldman - Tinker Tailor Best Actress Will Win: Meryl Streep - The Iron Lady (I switch between Davis and her, it's crazy) Should Win: Meryl Streep - The Iron Lady Best Supporting Actor Will Win: Christopher Plummer - Beginners Should Win: Nolte - Warrior Best Supporting Actress Will Win: Octavia Spencer - The Artist Should Win: Jessica Chastain - The Help Best Original Screenplay Will Win: Midnight in Paris Should Win: A Separation Best Adapted Screenplay Will Win: Alexander Payne, Nat Faxon and Jim Rash - The Descendants Should Win: Tinker Tailor Best Foreign Film Will Win: A Separation Should Win: A Separation Best Animated Film Will Win: Rango Should Win: Rango Best Art Direction Will Win: Hugo Should Win: Hugo Best Cinematography Will Win: Hugo Should Win: The Tree of Life *Costume Design Will Win: W.E. Should Win: Jane Eyre *Best Documentary Will Win: Undefeated Should Win: haven't seen any yet *Best Editing Will Win: The Artist Should Win: Girl with Dragon Tattoo Best Makeup Will Win: The Iron Lady Should Win: The Iron Lady Best Original Score Will Win: The Artist Should Win: Tinker Tailor Best Original Song Will Win: “Man or Muppet” - The Muppets Should Win: “Man or Muppet” - The Muppets *Best Sound Editing Will Win: Transformers Should Win: Drive *Best Sound Mixing Will Win: Hugo Should Win: Girl with Dragon Tattoo Best Visual Effects Will Win: Rise of the Planet of the Apes Should Win: Rise of the Planet of the Apes *Best Documentary Short Will Win: Saving Face Should Win: haven't seen any *Best Animated Short Will Win: Morning Stroll Should Win: The Fantastic Flying Books of Mr. Morris Lessmore *Best Live Action Short Will Win: The Shore Should Win: Tuba Atlantic PS: Schmoes don't seem to care about the Oscars at all this year. Don't remember this little activity in previous years. |
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#575
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Great, the most boring safe movie of the year will win, typical oscars.
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#576
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For what it's worth:
2012 Film Independent Spirit Awards Winners announced on Saturday, February 25th. Best Feature WINNER - The Artist (2011) Other Nominees: 50/50 (2011) Beginners (2010) Drive (2011) Take Shelter (2011) Best Female Lead WINNER - Michelle Williams for My Week with Marilyn (2011) Other Nominees: Lauren Ambrose for Think of Me (2011) Rachael Harris for Natural Selection (2011) Adepero Oduye for Pariah (2007) Elizabeth Olsen for Martha Marcy May Marlene (2011) Best Male Lead WINNER - Jean Dujardin for The Artist (2011) Other Nominees: Demián Bichir for A Better Life (2011) Ryan Gosling for Drive (2011) Woody Harrelson for Rampart (2011) Michael Shannon for Take Shelter (2011) Best Supporting Female WINNER - Shailene Woodley for The Descendants (2011) Other Nominees: Jessica Chastain for Take Shelter (2011) Anjelica Huston for 50/50 (2011) Janet McTeer for Albert Nobbs (2011) Harmony Santana for Gun Hill Road (2011) Best Supporting Male WINNER - Christopher Plummer for Beginners (2010) Other Nominees: Albert Brooks for Drive (2011) John Hawkes for Martha Marcy May Marlene (2011) John C. Reilly for Cedar Rapids (2011) Corey Stoll for Midnight in Paris (2011) Best Director WINNER - Michel Hazanavicius for The Artist (2011) Other Nominees: Mike Mills for Beginners (2010) Jeff Nichols for Take Shelter (2011) Alexander Payne for The Descendants (2011) Nicolas Winding Refn for Drive (2011) Best Screenplay WINNER - The Descendants (2011): Alexander Payne, Nat Faxon, Jim Rash Other Nominees: The Artist (2011): Michel Hazanavicius Beginners (2010): Mike Mills Footnote (2011): Joseph Cedar Win Win (2011): Thomas McCarthy Best First Screenplay WINNER - 50/50 (2011): Will Reiser Other Nominees: Another Earth (2011): Mike Cahill, Brit Marling Cedar Rapids (2011): Phil Johnston Margin Call (2011): J.C. Chandor Terri (2011): Patrick Dewitt Best Cinematography WINNER - The Artist (2011): Guillaume Schiffman Other Nominees: Bellflower (2011): Joel Hodge The Dynamiter (2011): Jeffrey Waldron Midnight in Paris (2011): Darius Khondji The Off Hours (2011): Benjamin Kasulke Best First Feature WINNER - Margin Call (2011) Other Nominees: Another Earth (2011) In the Family (2011) Martha Marcy May Marlene (2011) Natural Selection (2011) Best International Film WINNER - A Separation (2011) Other Nominees: The Kid with a Bike (2011) Melancholia (2011) Shame (2011) Tyrannosaur (2011) Best Documentary WINNER - The Interrupters (2011) Other Nominees: An African Election (2011) Bill Cunningham New York (2010) The Redemption of General Butt Naked (2011) We Were Here (2011) John Cassavetes Award WINNER - Pariah (2007) Other Nominees: Bellflower (2011) Circumstance (2011) The Dynamiter (2011) Hello Lonesome (2010) Truer Than Fiction Award WINNER - Where Soldiers Come From (2011): Heather Courtney Other Nominees: Bombay Beach (2011): Alma Har'el Hell and Back Again (2011): Danfung Dennis Someone to Watch Award WINNER - Mark Jackson for Without (2011) Other Nominees: Simon Arthur for Silver Tongues (2011) Nicholas Ozeki for Mamitas (2007) Producers Award WINNER - Sophia Lin for Take Shelter (2011) Other Nominees: Chad Burris for Mosquita y Mari (2012) Josh Mond for Martha Marcy May Marlene (2011) Robert Altman Award WINNER - Margin Call (2011) |
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My Picks:
Best Picture WILL WIN: The Artist SHOULD WIN: War Horse BEST DIRECTOR: WILL WIN: Michel Hazanavicius SHOULD WIN: Martin Scorsese BEST ACTOR: WILL WIN: Jean Dujardin SHOULD WIN: Demian Bichir BEST ACTRESS: WILL WIN/SHOULD WIN: Viola Davis BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR: WILL WIN: Christopher Plummer SHOULD WIN: Max Von Sydow BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS: WILL WIN: Octavia Spencer SHOULD WIN: Jessica Chastain BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY: WILL WIN: Midnight in Paris SHOULD WIN: Bridesmaids BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY: WILL WIN: The Descendants SHOULD WIN: Hugo BEST ANIMATED FEATURE: WILL WIN: Chico & Rita BEST ART DIRECTION: WILL/SHOULD WIN: Hugo BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY: WILL WIN: The Tree of Life SHOULD WIN: War Horse BEST COSTUME DESIGN: WILL WIN: Hugo SHOULD WIN: Don't give a fuck BEST FILM EDITING: WILL WIN: The Artist SHOULD WIN: Hugo BEST MAKEUP: WILL WIN: Harry Potter SHOULD WIN: don't give a fuck for this category either BEST ORIGINAL SCORE: WILL WIN: The Artist SHOULD WIN: War Horse BEST ORIGINAL SONG: WILL/SHOULD WIN: Man or Muppet BEST SOUND EDITING: WILL WIN: Hugo SHOULD WIN: War Horse BEST SOUND MIXING: WILL WIN: Hugo SHOULD WIN: War Horse BEST VISUAL EFFECTS: WILL WIN: Rise of the Planet of the Apes SHOULD WIN: Hugo BEST DOC FEATURE: WILL WIN: Pina BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM: WILL WIN: In Darkness BEST ANIMATED FEATURE: WILL WIN: Chico & Rita BEST DOC SHORT: WILL WIN: Incident in New Baghdad BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT: WILL WIN: Raju BEST ANIMATED SHORT: WILL WIN: La Luna Last edited by ilovemovies; 02-26-2012 at 04:33 PM.. |
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I've actually changed my mind on best animated feature. I am now thinking that Rango won't win. That'll be Chico and Rita instead. It just seems like this might be a category where an upset will happen.
But I agree that Adventures of Tintin should have been nominated. Awesome movie. I also liked Rio. Surely those movies are better than Puss in Boots and Kung Fu Panda 2, right? |
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Chico & Rita won. I thought it was just okay, but the people who like it rave about it.
Bad news for Davis in that I won £50 yesterday gambling (Ryan Bader over Rampage Jackson via points @ 4-1) And I think it highly unlikely my luck will hold out 2 days running. Will it? |
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1 right, 1 wrong so far. I got Hugo for art direction correct. But I had Tree of Life winning for cinematography. Oh well.
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Is anyone else annoyed that Hugo beat out Tree of Life for Cinematography? This reminds me of when Children of Men lost.
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Hugo's cinematography was amazing though. I'm not THAT upset about it.
Anyway, not doing to well. 1 right, 3 wrong. Ouch. Fortunately, we'll still only in the beginning of the show. I should improve as the show continues on. |
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WTF?!?! The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo wins best film editing? That movie was a billion hours long. There was no editing on that movie!
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Hugo over Rise of the Planet of the Apes?
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#587
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Jonah Hill's date is fugly.
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You do know that's his mother, right?
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Bret McKenzie win! Sweet!
I'm not really paying much attention this Oscars (don't really care much this year) but Plummer's speech was good. |
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Yep score for McKenzie.
Ferrel and Galifanakis were great. |
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Dammit, thanks for making me sound like an insensitive bastard!
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Well I stopped watching but two more quick thoughts: Jolie felt like she was selling a product or something. That entire bit was fake and awkward feeling. And I'm very happy that A Separation won Foreign Film. Though if there was any justice, it would have won Original Screenplay as well (it certainly would have if it was in English).
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Could this be the first time, at least that I can remember, where the oscar telecast was less than 3 hours long?!!
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They'll have another 3 hours of Harvey gloating at the end.
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Best win of the night was easily Dragon Tattoo for editing. Also glad that Hugo won 5 awards.
Crystal was solid, nothing more, nothing less. Highlight of the night was Chris Rock's bit on voice acting. |
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due to some complete bullshit, i missed the first 30 minutes of the show... if anyone can find a link to video of the first 30 min of the broadcast, I would be eternally indebted! It's the first time I have ever missed even a second of an Oscars telecast, and I'm still pretty livid about the whole thing!!
Any help finding that would be awesome, thanks all |
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Meryl's speech was surprisingly great. I say surprisingly because, as great an actress as she is, she's given some pretty terrible speeches before in the past. Fortunately, tonight isn't one of them. It was actually a very moving speech I thought.
Still think Plummer gave the best speech of the night, but Streep is a close second. |
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I can't determine if a silent film winning the Best Picture award in 2012 is a good or bad thing....
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Well a pretty predictable Awards ceremony as usual. Although I am fucking amazed Hugo won for visual effects over anything in that category. But oh well.
Girl with dragon tattoo was a surprise. Although, Billy Crystal was a vastly better choice then Franco/Hathaway debacle last year. |
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Technically it's not a silent film.
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