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So no backlash about the embassy attacks?
It is amazing how people (media and on here) are not killing Obama and his admin for the embassy attacks of recent days. You see almost nothing in the news about it except for what Fox is covering. What a fucking shame!
I am using the words Unprepared incompetent inadequate inept inefficient |
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Faux News has always shat on the Obama administration, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear the retards that grace that "news" channel is ranting how inept and indecisive Obama is. Anything that doesn't involve America riding in on a white steed to save the world and defend it's interests is considered horrible foreign policy.
How would you want Obama to respond to the embassy attacks? Utter threats towards the Middle East? What benefit will that give Obama besides sneers from Middle Eastern leaders? They weren't the ones who burned or attacked U.S. embassies. He can't outright attack an entire country (verbally or even militarily) just because a portion of its population are religious fuckwits. It takes soft diplomacy to win the favour of any country. And the first step, which Obama and Clinton committed to, was to not only denounce the attacks, but also to denounce the videos that sparked all this. I've said it once, and I'll say it again, free speech has its limits. People can argue against this fact, and that's fine. But as this situation has shown, the power of voicing your opinion has the capability to lead to death and destruction. It's one thing to preach your backwards philosophy and ignorant views to your fellow congregants. It's totally another to use YouTube, essentially an international media platform, to launch an outright attack on another religion...one that has a history of not taking criticism of its faith lightly. Social media has become a double edged sword for the Middle East. On the one hand, it gave the region a tool to promote a revolution. On the other hand, it also gives them a chance to see what retards in the Western world think about Islam (ala that video). And this event will only open the flood gate of those who would defend free speech and continue harping on the Muslim world, adding only more fuel to the fire. |
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How about being on alert for attacks on 911 and be prepared? Cut off or suspend the billions of dollars in aid? Send in troops to protect Americans in Egypt Something is better than the nothing that was done before and after. I do love your reaction. Typical liberal. Soft diplomacy lol |
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Perhaps, just perhaps the middle east should start to work with us and not against us. We are not a bad people. Maybe they are the problem. The people of the middle east are exactly the same as the gangs in LA fighting and killing over land they don't own. I guess they need to go back to kindergarten and learn to share. We share our country with millions of people from the middle east and we are not trying to kill them and wish them harm they many middle eastern people do to us. Let's not forget, they attacked us. They attacked people just doing their job. Should we go and attack the Egyptian Embassy here? No. Why did they have to attack us? Maybe their problems stem from their own people and not the USA. I think they just like to blame us for everything. |
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Call it both ways. MSNBC, NBC, CNN, HNN, CBS and ABC have all sided against Bush for 8 years. One station is doing against Obama. That is fair. I rarely watch any of the news stations. I listen to the radio for my news. 1010 win NYC. 880 NYC. I also go to MSNBC and Fox for internet news. It is sad how both sites are so left and right on issues. Only I can admit Fox right is. Can you admit MSNBC is left? You don't win a prize for saying Fox is right. There is nothing wrong with them being right. But they are more opinion news just like msnbc. |
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Obama is spineless and that's probably the thing that bothers me about him the most. That being said, I'm not expecting him to issue any sort of military action against Libya or Egypt, because those governments aren't responsible for it. He could, at the very least, demand an apology though.
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Nice rebuttal. Rather that refute me, you offer bogus solutions and attack my "liberal" point of view. What you call "liberal", others would just call common sense.
Your solution to faults that lie within your own nation is to breach another country's borders and seek a resolution there. Instead of jumping on that glorious American steed of yours, try to look inward and see where the problem arose. |
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WTF are we supposed to do? Nuke the entire Middle East over one planned attack and a few typical anti-American protests? |
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This forum is for members who can debate these matters in a MATURE and CONSTRUCTIVE manner, Squid Vicious. One more insult as such and we will have to ban you from here, so please respect others or don't post here anymore.
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So is this true? It always appeared strange that the attacks coincided with 9/11.
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Last edited by hrdude; 09-22-2012 at 09:26 PM.. |
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Robert Gibbs Says White House Did Not Mislead On Libya Crisis
Obama campaign adviser Robert Gibbs found himself on his heels over the administration's public handling of the recent crisis in Libya, where an attack left Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other American diplomatic officials dead. "No one intentionally or unintentionally misled anyone involved in this," Gibbs said, during an appearance on "Fox News Sunday." "We learned more information every single day about what happened. Nobody wants to get to the bottom of this faster than we do." For several days after the incident the White House sent mixed messages about what it believed had happened during the attacks, which initially were thought to be part of a broader range of protests against an obscure anti-Islam film. But the administration's early insistence that the attacks were not planned was quickly contradicted by voices from Libya, Congress and even the State Department, who described the attacks as likely pre-planned and coordinated. On last week's show, Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, told host Chris Wallace that the attacks were likely "a spontaneous incident." "The best information we have today is that in fact this was not a premeditated attack," Rice said. Jay Carney, the White House spokesman, also continued to link the incidents to the video, even as a top White House official described them as a terrorist attack in a briefing before Congress. On Friday, Carney finally acknowledged that it was "self-evident" that the attack was terrorism. "I think as you heard Ambassador Rice say, the best information that we had at the point at which she gave that answer was answer that she gave," Gibbs said, after watching the clip of Rice. "As we have learned more, and as this investigation continues, I anticipate we will continue to learn more facts about the awful assassination and murder of our great ambassador in Libya." Link |
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I think the response that Obama has given was better than what most of the conservitives are moaning about. He actually didn't stroke the fires as other presidents, plus if it was Mitt Romney he would issue this paranoia that it's Iran sending in insurgents undercover and use that excuse to bomb it.
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To your second point, you are damn right. I would rather have the USA be hated for fighting tyranny than not. |
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LOL Don't act Obama himself planned the simultaneous shots. The mark of a true leader is not to be reactionary. A true leader should be proactive. The pirates in that area had been and still are a problem. At the very least all, US ships should be escorted through that area. Would be nice if we also worked with our allies to guard other ships as well. We can charge for the protection. Or better yet, why not seek out these pirates and take the fight to them? The drone flights are a development feature. They were not used nearly as much or nearly as advanced as they are now. It is a rather new technology used in war to this extent. The old thinking was to send in thousands of troops after pockets of people hiding underground and in caves. It is not like Obama had anything to do with these developments or usage. And to be fair, there have been many airstrikes where innocent people were killed and the USA had taken much lip because of it. I am not blaming Obama or Bush or anyone, but there is a bad side to these airstrikes and drones too. Not all unicorns and rainbows. There is lots of intel on troubled areas and all the crazies around the world. Now and forever, there should be extreme heightened alerts for every American whatever overseas during 911 days. As President, where the buck stops there, Obama gets the blame for these attacks. It just seems to me that the media and joblo political forum is taking the deaths and destruction of USA property lightly and doing a piss poor job or reporting. This would not be true if a Republican was in office. |
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I will take your silence on my other comments as you agree with me. |
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LOL, What? Ha, ha... no. I don't read half of what you write on these boards.
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Sure there are. You have 4 right there |
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Obama lied about the attack on our embassy in Libya, claiming it was "spontaneous" while knowing all along that it was planned.
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Read my above post. They didn't lie about anything. They didn't know it was a planned attack at first, but now they think it was. The riots, in general, are presumed to be spontaneous, though they are also more than likely a calculated effort by people who know how to drum up outrage.
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My guess is that you have more anger towards the president than the people who actually attacked the embassy.
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My opinion on this one small part is that they did lie. On purpose, they decided to downplay it. That is a lie. They were not waiting for more facts first. They waited for reaction. Bingo. |
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Which is why I was referring to the news article I posted about the attacks and the administrations response to it, not my opinion.
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And new articles are always 100% truthful and honest. There is no such thing as a person or organization who would write something to the benefit of the person in question. When you post an article without any of your own words, that is what you are saying and agreeing with.
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You live in America...go see what non-partisan media is like in other countries.
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You live in Canada. Enjoy your maple syrup. There is no such thing as a non partisan media. They are all reflections of the company or country running them.
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The internet can be your friend, I suggest you use it.
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Obama lied about the embassy attack. He knew from the beginning that it was an act of terror and not the result of a video.
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The worst part was when he gave a speech about the attacks the day after it happened, and denounced acts of terror, but didn't specifically spell out that a bombing on an embassy was an act of terror. I mean, how else are people supposed to think that a bombing on a US embassy is an act of terror, especially when the president is giving a speech about the bombing and denounces acts of terror. It's just so much like him, using the context of plain English to confuse and anger people.
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I notice that Fox News talks about the Benghazi attack constantly while CNN barely mentions it.
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