Gay Marriage

[Bondgirl]

Originally Posted by Kevin Lockard

I'm all for gay marriage. Gay people (or heterosexuals) getting married is affecting no one's lives but their own. Also, the argument that sexual attraction is a choice is not only wrong but useless anyway. Even if being gay was a choice, that wouldn't be grounds to be against it. It's still adults engaging in consensual sex.

Well l have to say there is alot of negativety in this area when a person comes out and says they are gay
At least these days people can talk about it than hide it to a point

years ago you would be able to mention if you were gay or you would be miss treated or bashed for coming out

Like said the only real concerns l have is the children coming into a gay marriage and what the gay people would put in place to help children cope

it is alright if it is two adults going down this path but children have to cope with the change too

[Erroneous]

Originally Posted by Vong

Are they letting anyone in the Politics forum now?

Goodbye, thought-provoking discourse...

I believe it was opened up to all. You are very negative. Unless you forgot about all the stupid shit that has gone on in this forums over the years.

Originally Posted by ThunderStorm

Great contribution to the topic, obviously you are part of the problem.

Nice. I like you already. You are singing my song man. There are several longtime members that are the problem in this board and all they do is start problems and point fingers.

Originally Posted by ThunderStorm

I mean it is not their concern who you marry.

OK True that

[Bondgirl]

Well all l can say is that if one member or two wants to be negative about this section being open to all that is there problem

Why upset our selfs when everyone else is enjoying themselves regardless

Sometimes if we take notice of these remarks it starts fights so it is better to ingnore posts like this

I feel that you will get more opinions in here now and more people posting about waht they think of the election or other things it is great

i also would like to say that l am learning so much about American politics and if l dont know something it is explained to me

[FailSafe]

I'm not even sure why there is any debate about whether or not gay people should be "allowed" to get married. Of course they should. If we're going to endorse the institution of marriage, it should be open to all. Anything beyond that is unnecessarily complicating the matter. No need to wait for a time when more people are comfortable with it, just get it over with. That way all of those opposed to it can utilize their amazingly short attention spans to move on to the next thing they're opposed to.

And to whoever compared gay marriage to a person wanting to marry their dog... Hopefully it was in jest, and not in service of actually trying to prove any kind of legitimate point as it concerns this topic, because... Just, wow.

[Bondgirl]

Well you are right if gay people want to get married they should be able to do this if this is what they want

Like l said in Australia we do not reconize gay marrige and it has been put through parliment a few times but it has not been passed

I am not sure why they do not want to pass it

But in America there are stated that have passed it and there has not been any problems with it

Well for waht l have seen there hasnt

A debate about Gay marriage is interesting and it is interesting to see who is for it and who is not

[JamelaG]

Some countries are based on says that all men are created equal and they all have the right to the pursuit of happiness. It makes me angry when ANY people group is discriminated against by the government and that is exactly what preventing gay marriage is...discrimination. Regardless of anyone's views on homosexuality, EVERYONE has the right to be with the person they love and to have their union recognized. Everyone should also have the right to adopt children and have BOTH parents be their legal parents.

[Moviefan2k4]

Before you all trash me because I'm a Christian, you may want to watch this. Its a one-hour message on the subject of gay marriage, by a Christian apologist named Frank Turek. He believes the Bible, but he doesn't base his arguments on it alone. Here's the links.

Nothing Gay About It: Part 1
Nothing Gay About It: Part 2
Nothing Gay About It: Part 3
Nothing Gay About It: Part 4
Nothing Gay About It: Part 5
Nothing Gay About It: Part 6

[Badbird]

First: The laws of our land are not based on Biblical law, therefore anything the Bible has to say is irrelevant.

Second: If you are just going to cherry-pick the Bible to determine what is right and wrong, your opinion is invalid as it is just one of many interpretations. If you take an "all or nothing" with the Bible to determine what is right and wrong, which almost no one does, then you are probably crazy.

[Erroneous]

Originally Posted by Badbird

First: The laws of our land are not based on Biblical law, therefore anything the Bible has to say is irrelevant.

Second: If you are just going to cherry-pick the Bible to determine what is right and wrong, your opinion is invalid as it is just one of many interpretations. If you take an "all or nothing" with the Bible to determine what is right and wrong, which almost no one does, then you are probably crazy.

You have no right to tell anyone their opinion is invalid or they are crazy.
Whole religions are based on cherry picking the bible.

[Badbird]

Originally Posted by Erroneous

You have no right to tell anyone their opinion is invalid or they are crazy.

When it comes to creating the law of the land, I sure as hell can. The United States is a secular government with secular law - Biblical interpretations are irrelevant (First Amendment and all that).

[Erroneous]

Originally Posted by Badbird

When it comes to creating the law of the land, I sure as hell can. The United States is a secular government with secular law - Biblical interpretations are irrelevant (First Amendment and all that).

There are all kinds of laws and they are set by the people. As long as they do not come in conflict with the higher authority (state, county or fed) people have a right to make any silly law they want. Anal sex is outlawed in how many states? So no , you have no right to tell someone their opinion is invalid. It is amazing how liberals act when someone does not agree with them.

[Badbird]

Originally Posted by Erroneous

There are all kinds of laws and they are set by the people. As long as they do not come in conflict with the higher authority (state, county or fed) people have a right to make any silly law they want.

You're right. Outlawing gay marriage is a silly law. And just because you can make any silly law you want, doesn't mean its Constitutional.

Originally Posted by Erroneous

Anal sex is outlawed in how many states?

That would be none:

Through the 20th century, the gradual liberalization of American sexual mores led to the elimination of sodomy laws in most states. During this time, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of sodomy laws in Bowers v. Hardwick in 1986. However, in 2003 the Supreme Court reversed the decision with Lawrence v. Texas, invalidating sodomy laws in the remaining fourteen states (Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Virginia).


Link

Originally Posted by Erroneous

So no , you have no right to tell someone their opinion is invalid. It is amazing how liberals act when someone does not agree with them.

If an opinion is stupid and ignorant I have every right to call out the idea of cherry picking laws based on two-thousand year old books written by Bronze Age primitives invalid. There is not one valid reason to outlaw gay marriage that isn't based on religious nonsense.

What I find amazing is the fact that non-liberals seem to think that championing bigotry and peddling ignorance is not only ideal, but a virtue.

[Bondgirl]

Dear me grins Well l believe that everyone has a right to state there opinion on gay marriage l feel also that bringing in the bible doesn't help things some religions are against gay marriage Also in Australia if a gay couple marry in America and bring there marriage back to aus it is not recognized as a proper marriage every year gay people try to get the government to change the law all polition vote and it is never passed our law only recognizes marriage between a man and woman

[Exophrine]

Originally Posted by Erroneous

you have no right to tell someone their opinion is invalid

Actually, yes Badbird does...you, however, are well within your own rights to think/believe that claim is full of shit (which I'm sure you're doing anyway), ignore what he says, and not acknowledge it.

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by Erroneous

There are all kinds of laws and they are set by the people. As long as they do not come in conflict with the higher authority (state, county or fed) people have a right to make any silly law they want.

It is amazing how liberals act when someone does not agree with them.

What you're espousing is actually the quintessential liberal position, which is staggeringly nihilistic and radical in its complete and total denial of intrinsic value. I'm not sure how you reconcile your espousal of liberal relativism with anti-liberalism, though I'm sure you've found a way.

Liberalism is, as Strauss put it, a society that tolerates indefinitely many Weltanschauungen only by virtue of the complete domination of one particular Weltanschauung, i.e. liberalism. Real conservatism as an alternative is based on being modest in your expectation of social change, rooting practices in tradition, and a belief in certain universal natural values which transcend any individual government.

[Bondgirl]

Very interesting at least l am getting some information on this liberal thingie l don't understand why you are sometimes anti liberal and use liberal so much but now l am starting to understand a little of the American ways

[Bondgirl]

I feel that everyone should have a opinion but only to a certain existent in a lot of topic it can be here or in other threads member can be for and against a subjec that is what makes it fun but you don't ever get to the point of distroying a thread

[Erroneous]

What happened to Bond Girl?????

Good for Rhode Island by passing gay marriage.

[magjournal]

It's sad that this has to be done state-by-state, but hopefully all fifty of them will eventually, uniformly do the right thing.


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