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Old 11-13-2012, 02:31 PM
Poop's Top 5 Underrated 007 Flicks!!

Since Skyfall is collectively kicking everyone's ass at the moment, I figured it would be a good time to take advantage of the situation and post what I think are the top 5 most underrated entries in the series.

The fans of the series have a wide array of opinions: Best films, best Bond, best villain...

You'd be hard pressed to find any two Bond fans thinking exactly alike. And I'm sure my list of of the most underrated entries in the series will be scoffed at by many a fan, but scoff away! Opinions are like assholes! They all smell!

So without any further bullshit, I present to you my Top 5 Underrated James Bond Films!


Authors note: On Her Majesty's Secret Service was going to be included on this list, but over the years it has been gaining the respect it deserves, so I left it out.


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Ya ya, I know. Denise Richards sucks! Worst Bond girl ever! While I agree she sucks, it's not like the series has a history of fantastic performances from our Bond girls. Franky, she ain't in it long enough to be a total detriment and her shittyness is outweighed by Sophie Marceau's awesomeness. Electra King is really one of the best Bond girls imo. Gorgeous and is an interesting character in her own right. She also has the honor of not only being a good Bond girl, she's also a good Bond villain.
Electra and Bond's relationship is surprisingly well written. Brosnan is good here, probably his best performance as the character. He's my least favorite Bond and I've always felt he never could nail down all of Bond's traits 100%, but here he comes very close.
Judi Dench also gets her best part of M at the time, with roll that actually ties her into the plot. The plot is decent and isn't as outlandish as Tomorrow Never Dies (more on that one latter ) and Die Another Day and the action is well staged and exciting. The opening Thames chase is probably my favorite pre-credit scene of the series. Not to mention the theme song is amazing and easily in my top 5 Bond songs ever.

It's not perfect. Some of the humor falls flat, our other villain Renard is underutilized, and yes Denise Richards sucks but other then that I really dig this flick. It's probably the most classy and old school of the Brosnan era.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:44 AM
well , your list is not complete and everyone is entitled to their opinion but ....

NAH ! The World Is Not Enough is easilly the worst Pierce Brosman era JB flick.
And it's only only because Denise Richards is the worst bondgirl ever but the main story is dull as fuck .... on the flip side , you get to see Sophie Marceau's nipple if you freezeframe right ( well she did bare it all before but in the Bond universe , that's actually the only nudity scene ever ).
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:50 AM
One Phrase:

"And I thought Christmas only came once a year...."

I'm pretty sure that's the entire reason why Denise Richards was called Christmas.

But I generally agree that The World is Not Enough is under-rated. Bond was fallable for the first time since Timothy Dalton with his shoulder injury and Robert Carlisle was fantastic as the almost invincible Renard.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:06 AM
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Not hated per-say, just split. You'll find one Bond fan who loves it and then turn around and find another who thinks it's the worst in the series. Much of that hate seems to come from fans thinking the villain and plot are too dumb even for a Bond flick. This I just don't see at all. Ya, the villains plot is a bit goofy, but I think we can call a majority of the villains evil schemes in the series goofy to say the least. In fact, you could say the plot is a bit more applicable today then it was back in 97.
On a pure action/popcorn movie level, this is one of the most enjoyable of the series. This has easily some of the best action out of any of the Bond films. The opening sequence, the car chase, the motorcycle chase, the finale on the Stealth Boat...this one is chocked full of well done action scenes. Brosnan is better here then in Goldeneye (Ya, that's right. I said it) with a performance that shows him having more fun and he handles the action better.
Tomorrow Never Dies also has two good Bond girls. Terri Hatcher also gets a lot of hate for reasons I don't understand. I do feel her character was underused, but I dig that they made her someone from Bond's past, and you get a sense Bond truly cares for her. Michelle Yeoh is kick-ass here as one of the more useful Bond girls of the series. We even get a cool henchmen in Stamper.
I mean, there really isn't much to say here other than I have an unabashedly good time with this flick. Ya, the villain may be weak and the plot is goofy (Again, this is Bond we're talking about here) but damn if it isn't a blast. One thing though, Sheryl Crow butchered the theme song. I like the song itself, but her vocals are screechingly painful. They should have used Surrender by KD Lang.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:09 AM
I actually love the villain's plot in Tomorrow Never Dies. Controlling the news media by creating the news. I think that is pretty cool.

Mark me as one who loved Tomorrow Never Dies. Definitely one of my favorites. Then again, I love ALL of the Brosnan Bond movies.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:24 AM
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Then again, I love ALL of the Brosnan Bond movies.
This. Brosnan owned Bond. IMO, he is still the second best after the man himself, Sean Connery. And that's no slight on Brosnan, but everybody knows Connery is Bond.

For me, it is all about Bond with these movies. I like what Craig is doing right now, haven't seen Skyfall yet. So the order of preference possibly could change after I watch it.

Connery Bond Movies
Brosnan Bond Movies
Craig Bond Movies

Then the rest, which are not nearly as good. Some even unwatchable. I'll give Moore a notch above the bottom feeders. Some of his were entertaining.

Like I said, really like what Craig is doing. If Skyfall is close to casino Royale good, I say he surpasses Brosnan.

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Old 11-14-2012, 09:28 AM
I've often noticed how Bond films try to fit in with what's cool at the moment. Tomorrow Never Dies definitely tapped into the resurgance of kung fu in Hollywood with stars like Jackie Chan and Michelle Yeoh (obvs.) making box office hits. This happened with The Man with the Golden Gun released when Bruce Lee was big in Hollywood. More recently of course you have the more visceral and realistic fighting made popular by Bourne in Casino Royale and all of Craig's movies to date. You could even see the effect of blaxplotation in Live and Let Die and the emergence of computer-centred thrillers in A View to a Kill.

I liked Tomorrow Never Dies probably even more than Goldeneye. Like you say, I think Brosnan really hit his stride with this one.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:28 PM
I actually think both "Gold" titled films in the series are overrated imo. I may be revoking my Bond fan License with this, but Goldfinger is one of least favorite films in the series and I think Goldeneye has a very sterile and cold narrative. It's got some standout action scenes, but the pacing and tone of the film is just....bland. Brosnan is rather bland in it himself. He's almost too nice in the part. He didn't feel like Bond to me. It's not all bad. Like I said, the action is good, it's got a bitchin' theme song from Tine Turner, and Dench as M is always great but there is something about the way the film plays out that leaves me cold. Everybody loves Sean Bean as the villain, but he tragically underused imo.

I'm almost afraid to get into why I think Goldfinger sucks, but I guess you deserve an explanation. Bond is a buffoon in it. He's gets by more by luck than anything else. He's so inept in the film it almost feels like he's being played for laughs. Say what you want about Clown-Bond in Octopussy, the dude got the job done. I just feel Goldfinger lacks the charm of later films in the series and the cool intrigue of the more grounded films. Thunderball is the best of both worlds. It's got the intrigue and charm, making it, for me, what Goldfinger should have been.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:09 PM
Tomorrow Never Dies is a good JB flick. Jonathan Pryce eats every scene he is in as the villain.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:02 PM
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I actually think both "Gold" titled films in the series are overrated imo.
The Man with the Golden Gun.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:47 AM
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The Man with the Golden Gun.
Fuck!

Ya, that one sucks too, aside from Christopher Lee that is. Roger Noore is good in it though. I think Roger Moore is always good, even in his lesser films.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:27 AM
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I've often noticed how Bond films try to fit in with what's cool at the moment. Tomorrow Never Dies definitely tapped into the resurgance of kung fu in Hollywood with stars like Jackie Chan and Michelle Yeoh (obvs.) making box office hits. This happened with The Man with the Golden Gun released when Bruce Lee was big in Hollywood. More recently of course you have the more visceral and realistic fighting made popular by Bourne in Casino Royale and all of Craig's movies to date. You could even see the effect of blaxplotation in Live and Let Die and the emergence of computer-centred thrillers in A View to a Kill.

I liked Tomorrow Never Dies probably even more than Goldeneye. Like you say, I think Brosnan really hit his stride with this one.
Yeah this. Licence to Kill was kind of James Bond meets Scarface or Miami Vice, and Moonraker took more than a few hints from Star Wars.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:08 AM
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The Man with the Golden Gun.
How can you lose when you have Fantasy Island's Tattoo ?
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:17 PM

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How can you lose when you have Fantasy Island's Tattoo ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzCIbhLUUA0&t=31s
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:30 AM
I also loved 'Tomorrow Never Dies'. I didn't think the villain's plot was goofy, though Jonathan Pryce certainly hammed it up (and I really enjoyed his performance). Not as good as Goldeneye, but still a fantastic Bond film.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:31 PM
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T. Dalt is a great Bond. I still wish like hell he was in Goldeneye instead of Brosnan. The guy is just a breath of fresh air to the franchise that was sadly misunderstood back in the day. There is no denying Dalton paved the way for a more serious take on the character that the Brosnan films sort of forgot about. Dalton underplays it and that disappoints a lot of fans who are used to the more playful, nonchalant attitude Connery and Moore were so good at. There is a dangerous, intense look in Dalton's eyes that totally rocks and makes the guy feel like a threat.
The Living Daylights itself is one of the underrated Bond films ever. True, the plot is dated now in a Rambo 3 type of way, but it's still a superior Bond film in every regard. For one, it's a honest to god espionage film. Both Dalton films don't get enough love to bringing the SPY back into this spy movie franchise. The plot is well thought out and interesting without resorting to the tired world domination plot. The action is great, the henchman is great, and the Bond girl is really underrated. Bond genuinely feels like he cares about Kara and there relationship is just a bit deeper then the standard "Bond and Girl go on mission and shag routine".
The only real problem I have with this one is the lack of a good villain. I like my Bond villains more grounded but the two in this film just did not have an ounce of menace what so ever. The film didn't know who it wanted to be the main baddie. The only good villain was Necros the henchman. The lack of a said good main villain made the final showdown a bit disappointing, but everything leading up to it was great imo.
The Living Daylights (and Daltons next adventure) deserves some of the credit Casino Royale has as the return of the more realistic take on the character. The crazy gadgets are mostly gone, the comic book plots and villains are gone, and Bond the joker is gone. It was replaced double crossing, arms dealing and a darker, more dangerous super spy. The world just wasn't ready for it's more serious Bond just yet.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:37 PM
I only liked the Brosnan Bond movies once. After that, I could not enjoy the re watch. I really like PB as Bond, but they just weak. I like PB better than DC, but DC has had much better movies. I don't like the campy bad guys and all the silly stuff. I like a more realistic spy movie that has grit.

I would say all the Sean Connery movies are under rated. Most of us did not see them until they were 20 years old or older. It is truly hard to appreciate older films that broke ground like SC Bonds. It is like kids under 25 being able to appreciate how great the first Star Wars is.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:37 PM
1.License To Kill

2.The Living Daylights

3.Quantom Of Solace

4.Live and Let Die

5.Dr.No
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:54 PM
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T. Dalt is a great Bond.
Completely disagree. I personally could never stand Dalton as Bond. Even though I enjoyed his 007 movies, I've always thought that his Bond was the worst & most wooden portrayal the character.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:03 PM
License to Kill was boring, didn't even feel like a Bond movie. And Dalton brought zero personality to the part IMO. He's definitely my least favorite Bond.

Not that fond of Roger Moore either but some of his movies were enjoyable.
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