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Old 12-18-2012, 09:30 AM
It won't happen.
Like anything, if you tell someone "you can't have this", they'll simply want it more and the wrong someone usually ends up with what was supposed to be taken away.

I want to see metal detectors like...everywhere.
And me personally, I'm interested in purchasing some flak wear. Don't remember but I don't believe those or bulletproof vests are legal to wear but in this time? Things are getting really scary.
I have no interest in taking someone else's life but I'd like a leg in protecting mine.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:51 AM
Sorry I'm late to the game...
Is it me or am I the only who thinks violence would actually go up if they outlawed guns? I feel like there would a shit ton more home invasions...

But yes, theres no reason for someone to have an assault weapon.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:35 AM
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I just can't fathom the desire to possess an object that is built purely to end another life. It's alien to me.
I'm of the frame of mind that I posses something that could save my life. Surviving, and protecting the ones I love is an instinct very real to me. Of course I don't carry a gun around everywhere I go, but I like having one in my house, and in my car when I travel.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:40 AM
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I'm of the frame of mind that I posses something that could save my life. Surviving, and protecting the ones I love is an instinct very real to me. Of course I don't carry a gun around everywhere I go, but I like having one in my house, and in my car when I travel.
Maybe not in the car, but again, the solution is not to ban all guns. SO we need to stop hypothesizing on how violence will go up, home invasions will skyrocket, if we ban all guns.

No one wants to take your guns.

Another thing Ive been holding back on. I believe, and it's just rudimentary belief, that I've actually located one of the bigger SYSTEMIC issues surrounding a number of other big time problems in this country.

Government lobbying.

Government lobbying is, in a word, legal bribery whereby a lobbyist for a special interest group - firearms, alcohol, tobacco, etc - can give money or services, among other things, to politicians in order to convince them to enact/repeal laws that benefit their corporation.

Defense contractors do this all the time. Their business depends on war, right? So, of course they push politicians towards more and more battlefields.

Alcohol and tobacco pose serious health risks, and until the TRUTH campaign, the Big Tobacco companies largely remained untouched - because they were able to dodge any responsibility because of their corporate lobbyers getting into the back pockets of the legislators.

The same has gone for firearms manufacturers. Why is it all these firearm tragedies happen - for whichever reason - and yet we NEVER hear a single peep about what the MANUFACTURER is doing to prevent it, either by providing locking clips, et al?

The fact is, we just don't.

Thats corporate lobbying for you.

The NRA is a HUGE lobbyist, with millions of backers and tons and tons of cash to throw around to make sure the politicians they are bribing keep things the way they are, allowing them to make even more money, and to become even m ore influential in our government.

The best government money can buy.

It's been my belief for a long time that if we outlaw corporate lobbying, or at least put a very low cap on how much they can spend, then you'd see a NUMBER of problems in this country get better.

Politicians are bought and traded, in the sole interest of big corporations, and NOT the people.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:51 PM
While there's a lot of horrible crimes here in Mexico, I don't think I would feel safer if guns were legal here. School shootings are almost unheard of and I prefer to keep it that way. It's already bad having to worry about drug cartel related violence with then have to worry if some sad asshole is going to shoot me because his parents didn't hug him enough.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:10 PM
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:15 PM
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:23 PM
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:26 PM
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Depression is a mental illness. You don't find many genuinely happy folk going for a good ol' shoot up of random people.
Are people not hearing me?

ACCIDENTAL death is also a concern.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:33 PM
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  #171  
Old 12-18-2012, 02:33 PM
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Doing something just for the sake of action is a waste of money. We need the right moves.
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  #172  
Old 12-18-2012, 02:37 PM
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:45 PM
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:09 PM
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There are all sorts of people out there who need protection from their own general ignorance and impressionability.

Drugs being only harmful to the consumer, if that's even true, is no reason to legalise something. If drugs were legal, there would be no obligation for the addict to be rehabilitated. Ban drugs. But i'm with you on rehabilitation (albeit, mandatory medical help) rather than punishment.
I think that eliminating incarceration for non-violent drug offenses and instead putting that money into mandatory rehabilitation is a great first step, and middle ground that would solve a lot of problems this country currently faces. Personally I would go a step further because I think there's a lot of hypocrisy in prohibiting drugs that are no more addictive or potentially harmful than anything you can get from a pharmacy. If this is a nation of freedom and personal liberty, I say extend the rights we enjoy for killing machines to recreational drugs as well. But I'd be happy to start with the rehab thing we agree on.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:14 PM
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Maybe not in the car, but again, the solution is not to ban all guns. SO we need to stop hypothesizing on how violence will go up, home invasions will skyrocket, if we ban all guns.

No one wants to take your guns.

Another thing Ive been holding back on. I believe, and it's just rudimentary belief, that I've actually located one of the bigger SYSTEMIC issues surrounding a number of other big time problems in this country.

Government lobbying.

Government lobbying is, in a word, legal bribery whereby a lobbyist for a special interest group - firearms, alcohol, tobacco, etc - can give money or services, among other things, to politicians in order to convince them to enact/repeal laws that benefit their corporation.

Defense contractors do this all the time. Their business depends on war, right? So, of course they push politicians towards more and more battlefields.

Alcohol and tobacco pose serious health risks, and until the TRUTH campaign, the Big Tobacco companies largely remained untouched - because they were able to dodge any responsibility because of their corporate lobbyers getting into the back pockets of the legislators.

The same has gone for firearms manufacturers. Why is it all these firearm tragedies happen - for whichever reason - and yet we NEVER hear a single peep about what the MANUFACTURER is doing to prevent it, either by providing locking clips, et al?

The fact is, we just don't.

Thats corporate lobbying for you.

The NRA is a HUGE lobbyist, with millions of backers and tons and tons of cash to throw around to make sure the politicians they are bribing keep things the way they are, allowing them to make even more money, and to become even m ore influential in our government.

The best government money can buy.

It's been my belief for a long time that if we outlaw corporate lobbying, or at least put a very low cap on how much they can spend, then you'd see a NUMBER of problems in this country get better.

Politicians are bought and traded, in the sole interest of big corporations, and NOT the people.
I don't think anyone's coming for my guns. Not a worry of mine. Nor do I think things like home invasions would increase, or anything of that nature.

Does anyone on here actually think that? Some are battling in here for the sake of argument, but I think many of us are actually on the same page. I see a lot of projecting on to people about arguments they're not even making.

Does anyone have a problem with an avid hunter owning multiple rifles that aren't automatics? Does anyone have a problem with a handgun for security reasons on your person, home, or vehicle?

Is there anyone here that actually wants to see an all out ban on firearms? I don't think so.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:16 PM
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If that other life has broken into my home, I would very much enjoy defending myself against the fucker. But not with the false dichotomy of shoot him he dies / don't shoot him and he lives. But guns can also be used to shoot the leg or the buttocks, as well as all other body parts unlikely to result in an instant kill. At which point good ol' smokey can come an mop up the mess, so to speak.

May as well shoot to kill so the home invader doesn't sue you later. That's if you live in the United States.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:26 PM
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Are people not hearing me?

ACCIDENTAL death is also a concern.
Myth: Accidental gun fatalities are a serious problem
Fact: Firearm misuse causes only a small number of accidental deaths in the U.S. For
example, compared to being accidentally killed by a firearm, you are:
Five times more likely to burn to death
Five times more likely to drown
17 times more likely to be poisoned
17 times more likely to fall
And 68 times more likely to die in an automobile accident
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:58 PM
I say we nip this gun problem in the bud. Let's ban all life-ending projectile weapons in general...starting with trebuchets, catapults, and bows! We'll work our way up to guns eventually...
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:26 PM
Wait, I should back up...we should ban all arms from people's bodies...
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:26 PM
Well you cant ban all guns but we need to look at making sure people who buy them are fit to have that gun

What l have seen is that anyone can buy a gun over the counter and that is wrong that is why you have the problem you have in America

Also the poeple who are with the gun lobby should not have power over everything

Oh in Sydeny Australia there is a crime wave and over in Sydeny there have been 130 shootings and it might be gang related

I am glad live in melbourne and not Sydeny
But the police have set up a task force to see what is going on..

In Australia we want to have control and not have people control what they can use

Like l said in a previous post we have the internet which is a black market for guns and even though we have been able to stop 2,000 weapons coming in there are some what are getting through

I still feel that Australia is trying to control gun crime but America is not even after this incident with all those children being killed

The next day after the killing people are arming thems selfs againplus they said there was a rise in people buying guns after this recent killings
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:29 PM
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And why is pornography legal but prostitution is not? I had a political discussion with some friends the other night and I was the only one who argued both drugs and prostitution should be legal. Drugs are only harmful to yourself and the money from the drug war could be spent on rehabilitation programs, which is much more successful than incarceration.

With prostitution, you could have regulations that include mandatory condoms and regular checks for STDs. You eliminate the need for pimps and can take a lot of the potential violence out of it. You make it safer for the men and women who are just going to do it anyway, instead of just making it illegal due to moral reasoning. I mean, pornography is okay but prostitution is not, why? Because the latter is not being filmed it's more wrong?
Fuckin' well said. Agreed on both points.

I read something interesting though the other day that argues for the right to arms act - and that the reason for it is so that people can defend themselves from an oppressive government if one would take place. It makes sense to me, however how would we go about not taking away the right to arms yet restricting easy access to it? I mean it just seems like such a grey area that it's impossible to ever take a stance. If you're pro-gun, you have logical reasons, if you're against, you also have logical reasons.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:42 PM
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/w...sault-weapons/

Obama is backing a bill that is going to get rid of all assault rifles and there are going to be other bans

I hope he gets this through
Do you know l always thought that primemisters and presidents had more power but it is a shame you have to go through red tape and congress to get things through

it will be interesting to see what happens but at least this is a start

But there has to be proper bans put in place not just a little ban on things

Anyway have a look on the link and it will be interesting to have your opinions on this

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Old 12-18-2012, 09:11 PM
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Myth: Accidental gun fatalities are a serious problem
Fact: Firearm misuse causes only a small number of accidental deaths in the U.S. For
example, compared to being accidentally killed by a firearm, you are:
Five times more likely to burn to death
Five times more likely to drown
17 times more likely to be poisoned
17 times more likely to fall
And 68 times more likely to die in an automobile accident
Um fact. Accidental firearm death is 4th leading cause of childrens death aged 5-14.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:20 PM
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:28 PM
I think if you get rid of guns one will find other things to defend yourself

! Using your fists will help
2 Using a knife but at least if you are a victim you can run away from it with a gun it only takes one or two shots before it can hit you

There is always ways to fight in this world SS Block the gun is just a easy way of fighting a person
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:41 PM
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:42 PM


I have to say these guys are so nice looking grins

maybe we need to stop using guns in tv series or movies and video games which are looking so real when you are playing them that would stop alot of volience

Also in Australia there has been thoughts of taking toy guns off the shelf

Do you think that should be done to stop children playing with these toys

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Old 12-18-2012, 09:46 PM
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Ohhhhh, is that how its done. Someone should've told the civilians killed by Saddam's regime. They didn't have to die. All they had to do was put up their dukes.

Yeah, I'm sure all the people with semi-automatic rifles would mount a solid insurrection here in Amurica while they're having the shit bombed out of them by drones.

Get real.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:50 PM
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Ohhhhh, is that how its done. Someone should've told the civilians killed by Saddam's regime. They didn't have to die. All they had to do was put up their dukes.
Well over in the middleeast they are all brought up with backward ideas which is sad to say

if you had got rid of all the guns over there you would be able to control these people

Well the saddam era is diffrent to westerne culture

In countrys like ours we can show means of control but over in the Middleeast it is a diffrent culture alot of it to do with religion and we have got rid of saddam someone else replaces him as leader in those countries there is no hope

I have to say l am not being racist about this

If we have some former army men on this forum who have fought over there they would ahve a understanding on how these people work
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:00 PM
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:06 PM
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Is it me or am I the only who thinks violence would actually go up if they outlawed guns? I feel like there would a shit ton more home invasions...
It isn't just you. That's exactly what would happen(and not just by criminals either if you get my meaning).

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But yes, theres no reason for someone to have an assault weapon.
This makes me think of the LA Riots. In that instance, would the shopkeeper fare better with a .38 Snubnose or an assault rifle? Plus the Department Of Homeland Security ordered over 400 million shredder rounds to use when we get like Greece or worse so......yeah I don't like the idea of only a governing body with a monopoly on assault weapons.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:46 PM
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Um fact. Accidental firearm death is 4th leading cause of childrens death aged 5-14.
Well that is very true children getting the hold of guns playing with them and then it fires killing or hurting a child

Sometimes parents lock up there gus and sometimes they dont

There was two schools in NSW who took kids to a shooting school to teach them how to shoot and this was just after the incident in America and everyone kicked up a stink about it

They were going to cancel but couldnt because they food was paid for

What a lame excuse

I just feel that we need to stop this type of thing incouraging children to learn to use a gun

Alot of farmers in the country areas of Australia teach there children when they are young but is a parent with them most of the time

I thought most of these things were banned in Australia but as time goes on we still have guns for diffrent means
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:34 AM
Bondgirl, you're from Australia. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Aus also ban assault weapons following a massacre? Were there any politicians in your country at the time who were against gun control around the time, or was it rather well-received?
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:16 PM
short answer : yes

long answer : not happening but i wish a good gun control law would be in place. Sure , if a crazy person wants to go on a rampage , not much we can do about it but if that person only have access to a baseball bat , a knife and a 9mm gun , so much damage would have been prevented ... i mean maybe 6-7 deaths instead of 28.

Who the fuck needs an assault riffle with a 30 ammo magazine ? That type of gun got no basic utility outside putting mass destruction out really fast. Hunters don't use that.

The right to bear arm is a sketchy law at best. Everyone agrees that it doesn't apply to a bazooka. We just need to draw a line somewhere.

The Connecticut shooting got a lot of attention because of the massive amount of childern killed but don't forget that dude who tried to shoot people in a Mall's food court in Oregon 2 weeks ago. His AR got jammed which is the reason only 3 peoples died (including the shooter).

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Th...299/story.html

I'm not expecting any real change anyway since the NRA is already spinning the tearful Obama image as a sign of a weak president .... and the WBC trying to spin it as God's will. 'Murica fuk yeah
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:33 PM
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Um fact. Accidental firearm death is 4th leading cause of childrens death aged 5-14.
Accidental firearm deaths account for .5% of all accidental deaths, that is for all age groups. Of that percentage, children make a small number. I think the last report I read was less than 50 a year. In fact that number has been slightly declining almost yearly. Accidental deaths are more likely to come from fire, drowning, auto accidents, poisoning (which is on the rise), and falls.

Not that any accidental deaths are acceptable but you should have better things to worry about than accidental firearm deaths.

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Old 12-19-2012, 12:46 PM
It's not a ban on assault weapons, just a ban on their sales. No different than what we had from 1994 till 2004 if I'm not mistaken. How many school shooting happened between 1994 and 2004? The ban will make many people happy, including myself, I have doubts as to how effective it will actually be.

Still wondering if anyone on here actually believes there should be an all out ban and the government should come for our guns? Anyone, anyone?


Anyone in here worried the government could come for your weapons? Yeah, I don't think that person exists.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gu...gun-ownership/
Steady drop in gun crime since 06.

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Old 12-19-2012, 02:13 PM
People like Michael the Draconian Menace Bloomberg would certainly like to disarm everyone except those in government. That guy is easily the most evil nanny statist I have ever seen. Another reason I'm 3000 miles away from NY.

Anyway, everyone here likes movies, right? Well to get the point across on how to stop further massacres in the future(by by allowing principals and school office personnel to carry concealed) here is the PG-13 short called How To Stop A Massacre Enjoy.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:04 PM
You just dont get it.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:14 PM
The propaganda mill? You're right. I don't.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:17 PM
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You just dont get it.
Haha yeah, it's like he has ignored half of your posts. That and anyone who actually thinks that principals and school personnel should carry guns at school probably shouldn't be allowed access to guns.

Oh America.

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