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Old 12-13-2012, 10:34 PM
Right To Work

Michigan just passed this law and predictably all the Union folk was out in force protesting. Typical. I am no lover of unions. They had their place 100 years ago, but times have changed and they are never going back. Unions do little besides kill governments and businesses. I hope Michigan turns their economy around for the better as yet another example for other states to follow. Let Unions prove for once that they are worth the dues investment and not make it mandatory. Unions should see it as a challenge to prove their worth, but sadly they are weak and bitter old folks stealing money from their people.

For you twinkie lovers, unions killed Hostess more than the greedy executives. And isnt it sad how the unions always blame the executives and accept no blame what so ever at all for any failures or issues. You would be surprised how much Union leaders make.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:17 AM
So if Unions are so bad, why did they make special exceptions for Police and Firefighter Unions? Just like they did in Wisconsin?
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Erroneous View Post
Michigan just passed this law and predictably all the Union folk was out in force protesting. Typical. I am no lover of unions. They had their place 100 years ago, but times have changed and they are never going back. Unions do little besides kill governments and businesses. I hope Michigan turns their economy around for the better as yet another example for other states to follow. Let Unions prove for once that they are worth the dues investment and not make it mandatory. Unions should see it as a challenge to prove their worth, but sadly they are weak and bitter old folks stealing money from their people.

For you twinkie lovers, unions killed Hostess more than the greedy executives. And isnt it sad how the unions always blame the executives and accept no blame what so ever at all for any failures or issues. You would be surprised how much Union leaders make.

The executives gave themselves bonuses at the same time they were filing for the their second bankruptcy. And then on top of that they then tell their workers "You're gonna have to take a pay cut." Who in their right mind does that? Clearly the words "Lead by example." were completely foreign to these men.

I absolutely believe Unions need to adapt themselves more to these times, because their current methods of "defending" their members is sabotaging them, but this is in honesty a case of two groups to "blame"

Last edited by electriclite; 12-14-2012 at 10:26 AM..
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:04 PM
My favorite part is the insinuation that eating Twinkies is more important than people standing up for what they think is right.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:38 PM
One thing is for sure, you shouldn't ever be forced in any state to join a union. I believe it should be an option.

Top ten states with the most debt. * Right to Work state

10. MA
9. MI *
8. FL *
7. PA
6. OH
5. IL
4. NJ
3. TX *
2. NY
1. CA

As far as what states are blue and red, I'm not sure. Not even sure how much right to work impacts a states budget, but I thought I'd throw that up there anyway.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...#slide=1441149
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Preston_79 View Post
One thing is for sure, you shouldn't ever be forced in any state to join a union. I believe it should be an option.

Top ten states with the most debt. * Right to Work state

10. MA
9. MI *
8. FL *
7. PA
6. OH
5. IL
4. NJ
3. TX *
2. NY
1. CA

As far as what states are blue and red, I'm not sure. Not even sure how much right to work impacts a states budget, but I thought I'd throw that up there anyway.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...#slide=1441149
You basically just listed the top ten states as far as population goes, so I don't think that's really valid to the argument.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:45 PM
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Top ten states with the most debt. * Right to Work state
(state ranking by population in parenthesis)

10. MA (14)
9. MI * (8)
8. FL * (4)
7. PA (6)
6. OH (7)
5. IL (5)
4. NJ (11)
3. TX * (2)
2. NY (3)
1. CA (1)


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Originally Posted by jolanar View Post
You basically just listed the top ten states as far as population goes, so I don't think that's really valid to the argument.
Wish I'd read your reply before looking for myself.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:54 PM
Let's also not overlook the fact that in the last ten years, Hostess went through SEVEN CEOs, filed for bankruptcy twice, and with their final liquidation, gave their executives bonuses. Clearly the fault of the Unions.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:33 PM
Regardless of what is just or fair, the union is supposed to work for the best interests of its employees. Hard to argue those employees are better off today then they would have been with the concessions asked of them or some negotiated in between. The problem is that unions have their own agenda and they don't just serve the people of that particular chapter.
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Badbird View Post
So if Unions are so bad, why did they make special exceptions for Police and Firefighter Unions? Just like they did in Wisconsin?
I don't know. Care to explain?

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Originally Posted by The Postmaster General View Post
My favorite part is the insinuation that eating Twinkies is more important than people standing up for what they think is right.
No, I did not. It was an example. This is a thread about Right To Work not Twinkies. I have no issue with people standing up for what they think is right. I do have major issue of how they handle themselves and bully company and people.

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Originally Posted by Badbird View Post
Let's also not overlook the fact that in the last ten years, Hostess went through SEVEN CEOs, filed for bankruptcy twice, and with their final liquidation, gave their executives bonuses. Clearly the fault of the Unions.
Sorry, but this is about Right to Work and not Twinkies. I suggest you start your own twinkies thread. I did say that the executives were greedy and in part to blame, but Unions are not taking any blame at all. This is a problem for me.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Erroneous View Post
No, I did not. It was an example. This is a thread about Right To Work not Twinkies. I have no issue with people standing up for what they think is right. I do have major issue of how they handle themselves and bully company and people.

I know what the thread is about but you explicitly evoked Twinkie lovers to focus on unions. No doubt you are talking about right to work states but it is very obvious you were pandering to the group of people bummed out about snack cakes. Otherwise you would have just used Twinkies as an example instead of singling out Twinkie lovers (e.g., people who want to eat twinkles) , for the sake of focusing the loss of their brand, against unions (people who stand up for what they think is right.)

It's no big deal. I don't think you really think eating Twinkies is more important than standing up for rights. I'm sorry if you don't see how it's just kind of funny that you were addressing Twinkie lovers, as it appeared as if you expected them to hold Twinkies to higher regard than people in unions. Some people really do think that way so I think it's worth highlighting, even if only as a passing thought, which was all that was. I was being sincere when I said it was my favorite part.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by The Postmaster General View Post
I know what the thread is about but you explicitly evoked Twinkie lovers to focus on unions. No doubt you are talking about right to work states but it is very obvious you were pandering to the group of people bummed out about snack cakes. Otherwise you would have just used Twinkies as an example instead of singling out Twinkie lovers (e.g., people who want to eat twinkles) , for the sake of focusing the loss of their brand, against unions (people who stand up for what they think is right.)

It's no big deal. I don't think you really think eating Twinkies is more important than standing up for rights. I'm sorry if you don't see how it's just kind of funny that you were addressing Twinkie lovers, as it appeared as if you expected them to hold Twinkies to higher regard than people in unions. Some people really do think that way so I think it's worth highlighting, even if only as a passing thought, which was all that was. I was being sincere when I said it was my favorite part.
Only obvious to you and your negative thinking. I suggest you re read what I wrote and focus on the theme and not the example. I gave the Twinkie example, because it is the most recent example. I think you are reading too much into what I said. I think you know me well enough that I do not imply anything. I come right out and say what is on my mind. Your second paragraph is really funny. Seriously, it was just a recent example.

Twinkies aside, do you have anything to add in the form of substance on the real topic at hand or would you rather discuss sno balls (Con Air), zingers, wonder bread, Ding Dongs or HoHos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzaQj...1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeS6DvyLScE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGKsWrpsKtI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hef0gCnTHxE
And my personal fav and if you don't laugh at this, you are dead inside
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iinU2fwcgo

Last edited by Erroneous; 12-15-2012 at 10:29 AM..
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Erroneous View Post
Only obvious to you and your negative thinking. I suggest you re read what I wrote and focus on the theme and not the example. I gave the Twinkie example, because it is the most recent example. I think you are reading too much into what I said. I think you know me well enough that I do not imply anything. I come right out and say what is on my mind. Your second paragraph is really funny. Seriously, it was just a recent example.

Twinkies aside, do you have anything to add in the form of substance on the real topic at hand or would you rather discuss sno balls (Con Air), zingers, wonder bread, Ding Dongs or HoHos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzaQj...1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeS6DvyLScE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGKsWrpsKtI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hef0gCnTHxE
And my personal fav and if you don't laugh at this, you are dead inside
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iinU2fwcgo

I'm not sure why you think I have negative thinking. I said that I didn't think you thought that way and also that it just seemed funny to me. It also seems to me that I am jovial more often than not. Most people tend to tell me I'm too optimistic, which may have been why I thought you'd laugh off my picking at the Twinkie thing instead of discussing it for multiple posts (instead of just begging me to continue the topic for you) Like I said, man, it's not big deal to me. It just seemed funny. Sorry if you think that's me being negative.

As for adding something, I expressed that I feel unions look out for the best interests of workers. The bringing up of the Twinkie comment was the basis upon which I voiced this.

I've be trained in unemployment law in a right to work state and one theme that seemed to run constant was the fear of lawsuits or costly mediation surrounding unemployment insurance or workers compensation benefits is very high. True, people can be fired for any reason but they can sue for any reason so, at least in the context of what was offered by the company I was with at the time, supervisors were often asked to tip toe in regards to employees and disciplinary action. At least with collective bargaining, it seems, there is greater room to keep things internal and to minimize the nonsense. I tend to think that these issues, on way or another, the ones that abuse things will find a way to do it and that right to work might end up costing more in other areas that affect those not directly involved in specific employer/employee conflicts.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:17 AM
I do believe sometimes the union do help worker they helped me when l lost my job being a lefted handed person they got me employed again because they said it was unfair dism issal
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:47 AM
it is true that there is a lower demand for left handed people. many more people are getting jobs being right handed people. there were many training programs to where people could learn how to be left handed people but now they are stuck with their degree and the only jobs left are for right hand people, maybe if you come to America your skills will be btter here because of the steering wheel on the other side of the care but do they really do it like that in australia or is that only in places like europe and england?
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:19 AM
No what happened to me is against the law in aus so l was glad l was represented by. The union

Last edited by Bondgirl; 12-17-2012 at 06:30 AM..
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bondgirl View Post
I do believe sometimes the union do help worker they helped me when l lost my job being a lefted handed person they got me employed again because they said it was unfair dism issal
THsi might be in the different post or thread, but why were you let go
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:15 PM
I was sacked because l was left handed but the union was called in and fought to have me reinstated the employer had to find me another position in the workplace
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bondgirl View Post
I was sacked because l was left handed but the union was called in and fought to have me reinstated the employer had to find me another position in the workplace
I like you Bondgirl, so when I say this, I do not say it to be mean. You were fired for different reasons, but because you work for a union, your employer had to give a reason why. Probably the worst reason I have ever heard, but make no mistake, when they find a real reason that will stick, they will fire you again. Look for new employment
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:00 PM
You don't have worry about being mean to me l am used to members saying thing s so what you are saying here is that,my employer had another reason on sacking the bloke told me right in front of my face that l was fired for being left handed,
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:06 PM
I don't work for a union l pay them a certain amount of money so if at anytime employers do not treat a worker right the defend you
  #22  
Old 12-30-2012, 11:12 PM
Also thiams job l,have talking about is not the job l have,now
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Old 12-30-2012, 11:51 PM
Even when l went back to that job they gave me left handed tools but l left that joba few years back Anyway l am sorry l posted in this thread

Last edited by Bondgirl; 12-31-2012 at 04:55 AM..
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:01 PM
question for Bondgirl:

What specific skills did you have? If you didn't have any real job skills, maybe you lost your job for that instead of for being left handed. Can you throw a baseball at ninety miles per hour? If you can, and you're left handed, you can get on the fast track to a rewarding career as a Major League Baseball Pitcher. If you're right handed, maybe, maybe not. So, prejudice sometimes does swing both ways.
 

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