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Old 06-26-2012, 09:11 AM
The top 10 essential rules of making a good horror movie remake

I found this article from last year from Movieline.

http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/08/18...horror-remake/

Does anyone agree with the best examples and worst culprits and with the rules?

On some i agree but i did liked Halloween, I Spit on Your Grave, Last House on The Left and Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

On rule 8 called "honor the original" he should have put "Cat People", "Night of the Living Dead", "Invaders from Mars" and PJ's King Kong (the 1933 movie is a mix of horror and fantasy with adventure).

He should have made 11 with an 11th called "If the original was campy and fun, just play along with it" and could use "Piranha 3D", "2001 Maniacs" and "Little Shop of Horrors". And on Rule 3 "Play to the originals Strengths" he should have used Tobe Hooper's Toolbox Murders as an example of good.

I agree with a commenter named Sarah on one of the comments on that article on why the last 2 movies known as Last House on The Left and I Spit on Your Grave on "Number 5: stay away from torture porn" makes no sense and i agree with her that the original 1972 and 1978 movies are and still are torture porn and i agree if you look through the gore of the remakes you can see they are still decent remakes.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:01 PM
Not a bad list although admittedly I kinda liked the Nightmare on Elm Street remake. It remained largely the same but I think Jackie Earle Haley brought something new to the part of Freddy Kreuger. Was he better than Robert Englund? No, but he still did something a little different. I don't know why Robert Englund couldn't have played Freddy in the remake though.
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:36 PM
Elm Street was ok but the script was kind of bad.

Do you agree with me that they should have added Cat People (1982), Night of the Living Dead (1990) and PJ's King Kong to "Honor the original"?

And do you agree with the "Just because it was good in any Asian language doesn't mean it will be good in English" rule?
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:28 PM
I agree about the 1994 Frankenstein.

Oddly enough, I prefer the 1930's Frankenstein but the 1990's Dracula.

I also agree about Hellraiser. The movie wasn't bad, but the book was way creepier (and I pictured the wife as being a lot better looking - maybe Ashley Laurence could take that role in the remake).

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Old 08-26-2012, 07:40 PM
Frankenstein and The Thing with Let Me In fall in re-adaptation territory than remake territory since there is a HUGE difference.

And do you agree that if the original was rated R the remake should NOT BE rated PG-13?
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:49 AM
I don't know if I view Japanese horror films that have been made in the U.S. a remake, per se. I mean, these movies are separated by a few years at best.

Also, I don't believe in remaking films that have decades spanning, iconic characters, i.e; Halloween, ANOES, FT13th, etc.

I still don't see how the Nightmare remake gets any respect at all. In my opinion, it was horrible and not in the good way. The original is one of the best horror films of all time. I remember when it came out on video and I saw it at a very young age and that movie fucking scared adults. Modern remakes lack atmosphere, which is what most of the originals on that list had.
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:34 PM
What do you think of rule number 4?
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:31 AM
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I don't know if I view Japanese horror films that have been made in the U.S. a remake, per se. I mean, these movies are separated by a few years at best.

Also, I don't believe in remaking films that have decades spanning, iconic characters, i.e; Halloween, ANOES, FT13th, etc.

I still don't see how the Nightmare remake gets any respect at all. In my opinion, it was horrible and not in the good way. The original is one of the best horror films of all time. I remember when it came out on video and I saw it at a very young age and that movie fucking scared adults. Modern remakes lack atmosphere, which is what most of the originals on that list had.
Do you agree that The Ring was hte only J-horror remake that ever worked and hasn't worked since with other American J-horror remakes and it's time for filmmakers to move on? Do you think Halloween 2007 is torture porn like on rule 5 and that there are already too many gore-fests out there to please the bloodthirsty masses?
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:27 AM
Having the director of the original film associated with the remake should be in the rules - That's going to be the main reason why the Evil Dead remake isn't going to suck ass.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:10 AM
Hey KK, which of each of the rules do you agree with?
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:40 PM
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Hey KK, which of each of the rules do you agree with?
I've mentioned a few times in the past about how much I despise horror remakes (with one or two exceptions), when there are so many books and short stories out there that have the great potential to make a great horror film...

The rule I agree with most with is the no carbon copies - There's nothing worse than sitting watching a verbatim duplication (albeit modernised) version of a classic. I had the misfortune of watching The Omen remake a few years back and I almost wanted to puke.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:13 AM
Do you agree that perfect horror movies like Poltergeist, Rosemary's Baby, Jaws and American Werewolf in London should NEVER be remade?

What do you think of rule 8 "honor the original", rule 5 "Stay away from torture porn", rule 4 "A good cast doesn't make up for a bad script", rule 3 "Play to the original's strengths", rule 2 "Just because it was good in Japanese doesn't mean it will be good in English" and "If the original was R, the remake should NOT be PG-13"?
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:11 PM
Yep, I agree that those movies should never be remade.

Rule 8 - I'm not a fan of seeing cast members from the original popping up in remakes, but I do agree to stick to the original story.

Rule 5 - I'm a fan of gore, so no problem with me... Although I refuse to watch the three worst culprits that are named & shamed.

Rule 4 - Yeah, no point putting heavy-hitting actors in when the story is piss weak.

Rule 3 - True, although Blade shoot vampires with Silver bullets.

Rule 2 - Should read 'Just because it was good in any language other than English.' - All the remakes I've seen from foreign language movies (Ringu, Ju-On, The Eye, Let the right one in) have all been poor in comparison to the originals... Was there any need to make english versions of these? Were people against having to read the subtitles when they're watching a movie?

Oh, and if the original was rated R then the remake should be too - That's just a cop out as they know how shit the remake is and they're just trying to claw some additional revenue by setting a wider audience.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:34 AM
I think it's laughable that anyone could say Hellraiser needs a remake.
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:36 AM
But KK, Funny Games with Let Me In and The Ring were quality. The Ring was the only J-horror remake that worked as far as i am concerned as it was done as it's own and played to the original's strengths while respecting the source, Gore Verbinski is quite a talented filmmaker and his version was very well made with good actors. It did wonders for The Ring and it hasn't worked since with other J-horror remakes and it's time for filmmakers to move on right?

Let Me in was excellent and was made by Hammer as it was their first movie in years! plus it honored and respected the original by recyling a few memorable quotes from the original, doing a new opening, different angle on the story and stuck to the story. Matt Reeves did a labor of love with his version of the Swedish original that even the author of the original novel approved of the film and considers it a very well done version. Reeves did alot of good will by refusing to fix what isn't broken and he's right. Same for Funny Games as it was made by the same director.

Do you agree that Cat People (1982), Cape Fear (1991), Night of the Living Dead (1990) and Nosferatu (1979) also belong on number 8 "Honor the original"? they fall in this category as some did had cameos by original members, recycled memorable quotes or sticking to the story and also did goodwill of refusing to fix what isn't broken.

I agree with you KK on carbon copies, some movies just don't need improving and both Psycho and Omen i had the unfortunate viewing to see both in theaters bored the hell out of me as they were just shot-to-shot word-by-word scene-by-scene clones of successful originals with nothing new or exciting to them and boy did they failed miserably or what? i agree that if we wanted to see the original, we'd watch it.

What about number 9 "Make it reveleant"? afterall Dawn of the Dead 2004 and Fright Night 2011 fall in this category as they say something about the way we live now, afterall vampires and zombies are more popular than ever.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:42 PM
Sorry, I wasn't a fan of Let me in (I just didn't feel why it was necessary to remake it and the remake lost a lot of the charm of the original, IMO) and I really did not enjoy The Ring - It's been a long time since I watched it, but I still remember how the climax of the movie was ruined - Instead of the tension building in the original with Sadako slowly plodding towards you (as you knew regardless of what the guy did to get away, he couldn't), we had Samara moving at lightning fast speed... Nah.

Haven't seen Cat People, but I agree with you on the other movies you mentioned, as they do fall into the rule 8 category... Haven't watched NOTLD '90 for a long time, so I'll need to remedy that.


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I think it's laughable that anyone could say Hellraiser needs a remake.
With you 100% on that one!
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:12 PM
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I think it's laughable that anyone could say Hellraiser needs a remake.
It is somewhat outdated and the book was way crazier. And, to add to what I said earlier about the wife being hotter, maybe Lena Headly would be good for that role.
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