KEN KIRZINGER....NEW improved JASON

[rtatick]

Originally posted by ERIN_LoJ
I respectfully disagree - there is more to it than anyone just putting on a freaking mask. The actors put the walk, action, everything into it. I thought Kane made Jason appear more menacing. I also thought part 4 was played well by whatever his name was.


I am not saying Ken will suck; I am saying for the principle of the thing it's not fair. And no one's going up against anyone else's opinions here on not liking Kane and all for Ken, just some of you seem to be coming off as slightly smug to me.

Just my two cents.

I see. Well, I'm not a huge fan of the series... Seen them all but can't tell the difference of between the guys. But... I think this discussion will be more pertinent AFTER the movie comes out. Nobody discussing here has actually seen Ken in the movie, right?

[SpaceMutt07]

Originally posted by ERIN_LoJ
The actors put the walk, action, everything into it.

I see what you mean...but how come nobody gets mad when Michael Myers is played by so many other people?

[Haddonfield]

I just have to throw my 4 and a half cents into this.

Kane not being in this movie at first seemed wrong but it DOES NOT bother me anymore...and for a few reasons...not all of which have directly to do with Kane himself.

1. They wanted a bigger presence than Kane. I dont care about saving money or anything...dont care about that. They wanted a bigger man to play the role and they got it.

2. Something to keep in mind is that Kane has nothing to do with his make-up. Kane supplies the walk and the tone...the make-up artists provide the look. With that in mind Igive to other points...

A. I did not like Jason in part 9. Looked like he sat on his ass eating pizza and chunging a 12 pack every night..(not unlike many of our diets! ) He just looked bad.

B. I did not like the Jason in part 10. Again, almost the same vibe here. Jason was too plump and like part 9 his make-up was pointless.

3. With that said, from what I can tell in FvJ, Jason reminds me of Jason from over 10 years ago. I have to go back to the worst one in the series, part 8, to remember a cool looking Jason.

4. I dont mind the Zombie Jason look but it became too cartoonish and hopefully this new one brings back a little chill in Jason.

Again, I like Kane...in fact since they took off his mask and cut his hair.....errrr....sorry....wrong Kane... ......I think his Jason in part 7 is the best of the seires. But I also understand he isnt the only one to play him.

Now if we are talking Freddy...well thats a different story.

[Haddonfield]

Now that the movie is out. What does everyone think of the new guy?

[Scully1888]

Just seen it.

I'd be the first person to tell you that dropping Kane Hodder like that was fucking bullshit.

But, much as I hate to admit it, Kirzinger is fucking awesome. The man was so good that I just thought it was Jason. and not Kirzinger. It seems weird to explain, but when I watch Part 7/8/9/10, I always think of him as Kane Hodder in a mask, but this time he was Jason. Plain and simple.

I know I'll get flamed for that, but I thought he was great, that's all.

[BadNewsCruise]

I think the title i gave this thread says it all. Fuck Kane hodder, Ken stole the show with his new improved Jason and i hope he comes back for more. I mean the guy was awesome and he meant business. Hes way more intimidating than Kane, and hes fucking huge. Jasons death scenes were just absolutely awesome. Kens approach towards his situations he was put in as Jason were just classic. Like the rave scene for example.Everythging about him rocked, and me and all my friends agree. We went crazy when we saw Ken on screen bc we knew he would be amazing. Sorry kane but you need to find you a set in the unemployment line. Everyone in this thread is starting to agree...I REST MY FUCKING CASE....Goodbye kane

[tightywhitey411]

so i guess the question is now...who would you rather have in the next friday the 13th sequel? kane or ken?

[DWhots]

I read in an Interview, that the Jason films are a lot like the James Bond series, its doesn't matter who plays Bond as long as the character is still there. For me that statement is bull, after all Sean Connery was the best bond, all others pale beside him.
Now, before Hodder dawned the mask, Jason was well Jason, a dude in a mask walking around killing people. But when Hodder took over, he, and now this is my opinion bacame a tank, that would plow through anything. In his movements was such force and strength that I feel sorry for any who fall under his blade.
Kirzinger was great as Jason, don't get me wrong. But he just didn't have the intensity that Hodder had.

I say bring back Hodder for the next one, the guy rocks, fuck it, the guy is Jason.

cheers

[ANTBond007]

I liked Kirzinger quite a bit and felt he was better than Hodder. He struck me as more meditated and downright primal at times.

[J.Sledge]

Originally posted by DWhots
I read in an Interview, that the Jason films are a lot like the James Bond series, its doesn't matter who plays Bond as long as the character is still there. For me that statement is bull, after all Sean Connery was the best bond, all others pale beside him.
Now, before Hodder dawned the mask, Jason was well Jason, a dude in a mask walking around killing people. But when Hodder took over, he, and now this is my opinion bacame a tank, that would plow through anything. In his movements was such force and strength that I feel sorry for any who fall under his blade.
Kirzinger was great as Jason, don't get me wrong. But he just didn't have the intensity that Hodder had.

I say bring back Hodder for the next one, the guy rocks, fuck it, the guy is Jason.

cheers

Yes Ken had his moments. But Kane has the passion, He goes to the conventions & talks to people signs autograghs. He loves being Jason, where from what I gathered to Ken it's just a job. I mean in my opinion I would rather have Kane who truly loves playing Jason to just another stuntman stalking around collecting a check. The way it should've been

[KillaMyers]

Personally "and seeing what the audience thought" i think Ken Kerzinger was much better as Jason the Kane Hodder here's why.......

1) Did anyone else notice how fuckin enormous this guy is, i mean every time there was a side by side shot of Jason and Freddy or anybody else he seriously dwarfed them, he's waaay bigger than Hodder in the film( looked to be about 7ft tall) and i think size lends to the intimidation factor.

2) While Kane's performances were 100% baddass he was only scary in part 7, Ken IMHO was damn scary as Jason, he just had a very primal intensity that made him seem ever more like the monster he should be( not to mention he swings that machete like no other).

3) Though Kerzinger did seem like Michael Myers on steriods at times i really liked the subtle movements " like when he's getting yelled at by Freddy diguized as Mrs Voorhees and he slowly tilts his head down". I hear alot of people say Kane gave Jason his own "original" movements but i do believe that the head tilt was started by Michael Myers and the heaving chest by Leatherface so original my ass.

Sorry Kane fans but i think Kerzinger has dethroned Hodder as my favorite Jason. I'm in no way saying Kane sucked "anybody who says that is an ass" but Ken is much better. But i don't think Ken will ever have the passion that Kane has for the role BUT! you never know.

[TheAxeGrinder]

I'd still have to stick with Kane on this one. Ken I think tried to emulate Kane, which is what confused people. Sure, it was cool how Jason delt with the characters on the set, but all it amounted to was the machete slashing and not much thinking. Kane had a cunning sort of style to how Jason acted. Plus, Ken didn't really have the presence Kane does. With Kane, sure he's slightly smaller, but Kane has the evil presence with him with the walk and the head tilts. Ken just stood there most of the time. Sorry, but my vote still remains with Kane as the real man behind the mask.

[harpian]

Sorry, but I prefer Kane Hodder. I can't pinpoint why exactly, but there was something in Kirzinger's movement that just lacked.... he didn't seem as confident or something.... I don't know.

Plus there's always the fact that Kane truly supports the fanbase. And it's all about the fans.

And there are ways to shoot to make Kane appear bigger in the film, if that's needed........ or you can just put him in some elevated shoes.

[BadNewsCruise]

Originally posted by harpian
Sorry, but I prefer Kane Hodder. I can't pinpoint why exactly, but there was something in Kirzinger's movement that just lacked.... he didn't seem as confident or something.... I don't know.

Plus there's always the fact that Kane truly supports the fanbase. And it's all about the fans.

And there are ways to shoot to make Kane appear bigger in the film, if that's needed........ or you can just put him in some elevated shoes.

KEN was way more menacing than kane. As for the fan base Ken was at the camp hack / slash watching the movie with the fans sighning autographs everyone loving him. He loves the fans just as much as kane. He swong that machete with such perfection. The guy gave me chills watching him...Kane never did that for me.

[Mr. Peanut]

Originally posted by Scully1888
Just seen it.

I'd be the first person to tell you that dropping Kane Hodder like that was fucking bullshit.

But, much as I hate to admit it, Kirzinger is fucking awesome. The man was so good that I just thought it was Jason. and not Kirzinger. It seems weird to explain, but when I watch Part 7/8/9/10, I always think of him as Kane Hodder in a mask, but this time he was Jason. Plain and simple.

I know I'll get flamed for that, but I thought he was great, that's all.

Me too, word for word I agree with you Scully!

[TheAxeGrinder]

Originally posted by BadNewsCruise
KEN was way more menacing than kane. As for the fan base Ken was at the camp hack / slash watching the movie with the fans sighning autographs everyone loving him. He loves the fans just as much as kane. He swong that machete with such perfection. The guy gave me chills watching him...Kane never did that for me.

You must have balls of steel if Kane Hodder doesn't scare you. The guy is huge, not as big as Ken, but is built like a truck. A menacing truck. The guy survived having 80% of his body covered in 3rd degree burns from fire, and you don't think the guy's scary? Plus, does Ken have such 'devotion' to the series that he would tatoo 'KILL' on his inner lower lip? I don't think so.

[J.Sledge]

Originally posted by TheAxeGrinder
You must have balls of steel if Kane Hodder doesn't scare you. The guy is huge, not as big as Ken, but is built like a truck. A menacing truck. The guy survived having 80% of his body covered in 3rd degree burns from fire, and you don't think the guy's scary? Plus, does Ken have such 'devotion' to the series that he would tatoo 'KILL' on his inner lower lip? I don't think so.

lol yeah I loved that he did that, that's cool!!!!

[BadNewsCruise]

Originally posted by TheAxeGrinder
You must have balls of steel if Kane Hodder doesn't scare you. The guy is huge, not as big as Ken, but is built like a truck. A menacing truck. The guy survived having 80% of his body covered in 3rd degree burns from fire, and you don't think the guy's scary? Plus, does Ken have such 'devotion' to the series that he would tatoo 'KILL' on his inner lower lip? I don't think so.

Big fucking deal. Just bc he was burnt on 80% of his body that doesnt make him scarey. I call it being damn lucky. Ken said in many interviews that hes done seen the friday the 13ths and loves them just as much as the next guy. Having a tatoo on ur lower lip doesnt help his performance or to be scarey. Like i said before we got Ken now the BEST Jason. Most of the people on this thread agree.

[The Arrow]

Ken didn't do anything in Freddy VS Jason that Kane couldn't have done with the right directions. Ken is lankier and Kane is bulkier...that's all that couldn't have been changed.

Kane will be always be the real Jason in my eyes, not only due to the fact that I liked his more agressive "tank like" performance than Ken's "Michael Myers like" show but also cause he took the part to heart by appearing in four of the Friday films, by doing the conventions rounds non stop, by meeting and being giving to the fans therefore lending the character of "Jason" the respect that he deserved and bringing it to the next level.

We finally had a face and a personnality to connect to the role of Jason. He wasn't ashamed of having played the part, he embraced it, it was more than a paycheck for the guy. His dedication to the role was hardcore and I loved him for it. Much like Englund was Freddy, Hodder WAS Jason. I can't say that about the other stuntmen that played Jason before him, not even freaking close.

That's not to say that Ken doesn't love the part or that he wasn't good in it. Time will tell if he runs with it like Kane did. But lets give respect where fucking respect is due. I've read in this thread a lot of shitty things said in regards to Kane and I think that sucks balls. Sure don't like the man's performance but to attack him personnally just because you like the other guy better is out of school in my eyes. He gave his all for Jason, a character that a lot of us love and in return he got robbed with Freddy VS Jason, got robbed of the role he put years of mucho hard work in.

How quickly people forget.

Kane Is and will ALWAYS be Jason to me.

[BadNewsCruise]

Originally posted by The Arrow
Ken didn't do anything in Freddy VS Jason that Kane couldn't have done with the right directions. Ken is lankier and Kane is bulkier...that's all that couldn't have been changed.

Kane will be always be the real Jason in my eyes, not only due to the fact that I liked his more agressive "tank like" performance than Ken's "Michael Myers like" show but also cause he took the part to heart by appearing in four of the Friday films, by doing the conventions rounds non stop, by meeting and being giving to the fans therefore lending the character of "Jason" the respect that he deserved and bringing it to the next level.

We finally had a face and a personnality to connect to the role of Jason. He wasn't ashamed of having played the part, he embraced it, it was more than a paycheck for the guy. His dedication to the role was hardcore and I loved him for it. Much like Englund was Freddy, Hodder WAS Jason. I can't say that about the other stuntmen that played Jason before him, not even freaking close.

That's not to say that Ken doesn't love the part or that he wasn't good in it. Time will tell if he runs with it like Kane did. But lets give respect where fucking respect is due. I've read in this thread a lot of shitty things said in regards to Kane and I think that sucks balls. Sure don't like the man's performance but to attack him personnally just because you like the other guy better is out of school in my eyes. He gave his all for Jason, a character that a lot of us love and in return he got robbed with Freddy VS Jason, got robbed of the role he put years of mucho hard work in.

How quickly people forget.

Kane Is and will ALWAYS be Jason to me.

Arrow i respect that. Ken will do the same thing Kane did im sure. People love his performance. I hope he comes back for next installments bc i love what he brung to the role. He did what he had to do and i fucking loved it. Ken is now and always will be Jason.

[sharkstank]

i love hodder, but i thought kirzinger was excellent. i didn't mind the switch.

[SixStrangSmoker]

although Kane is the definative Jason, and Ken totally kicked ass in Fvs.J (hes my new goalie/killer) what about the guys that played Jason in the 6 movies before Kane....the dude from part 3 did a hell of a job, as did the guy from part 6

[J.Sledge]

Originally posted by The Arrow
Ken didn't do anything in Freddy VS Jason that Kane couldn't have done with the right directions. Ken is lankier and Kane is bulkier...that's all that couldn't have been changed.

Kane will be always be the real Jason in my eyes, not only due to the fact that I liked his more agressive "tank like" performance than Ken's "Michael Myers like" show but also cause he took the part to heart by appearing in four of the Friday films, by doing the conventions rounds non stop, by meeting and being giving to the fans therefore lending the character of "Jason" the respect that he deserved and bringing it to the next level.

We finally had a face and a personnality to connect to the role of Jason. He wasn't ashamed of having played the part, he embraced it, it was more than a paycheck for the guy. His dedication to the role was hardcore and I loved him for it. Much like Englund was Freddy, Hodder WAS Jason. I can't say that about the other stuntmen that played Jason before him, not even freaking close.

That's not to say that Ken doesn't love the part or that he wasn't good in it. Time will tell if he runs with it like Kane did. But lets give respect where fucking respect is due. I've read in this thread a lot of shitty things said in regards to Kane and I think that sucks balls. Sure don't like the man's performance but to attack him personnally just because you like the other guy better is out of school in my eyes. He gave his all for Jason, a character that a lot of us love and in return he got robbed with Freddy VS Jason, got robbed of the role he put years of mucho hard work in.

How quickly people forget.

Kane Is and will ALWAYS be Jason to me.

It's so true & so poetic, Salute Arrow. I couldn't have said better myself.

[BadNewsCruise]

Originally posted by SixStrangSmoker
although Kane is the definative Jason, and Ken totally kicked ass in Fvs.J (hes my new goalie/killer) what about the guys that played Jason in the 6 movies before Kane....the dude from part 3 did a hell of a job, as did the guy from part 6

Exactly. Ted White was the scariest Jason from the past Friday movies and was my favorite. Ken was just so fucking excellent and now hes my new goalie of terror.

[J.Sledge]

Originally posted by BadNewsCruise
Exactly. Ted White was the scariest Jason from the past Friday movies and was my favorite. Ken was just so fucking excellent and now hes my new goalie of terror.

WHich is alright, Everyone has their favorite just like James Bond. So this dispute will go on forever. Cruise you liked Ken & that's cool. But a few us like Arrow,DWhots & Myself are Kane fans cause we respect what he did for Jason in & out of the costume.

[Fred Head]

I know that all of you say that you have warmed up to Kane being Jason. Hell i myself loved Kane's work as Jason,but as we came to closer and closer to Kane Jason slowly lost his shock value. I mean I always support Jason,but it's just a fact. Kane has even admitted that he will tell the director he won't do something. You can't tell a director how to do his job he is directing you. I think Ronny cought wind of Kane's habit of doing this and decided he didn't want to deal with it. Like I said earlyer it's cool to like the actor playing jason but the closer you get to him the less you see Jason and the more you just see Kane in the mask. When I saw Freddy Vs jason it was the first time in a long time that I wasn't looking at the actor in the mask I was actually looking at Jason. It may just be a good thing to replace the actor every few installments to keep Jason fresh. Again I thank Kane for what he has done,but you just gotta keep it fresh. Kane just wasn't fresh anymore and his refusal to follow direction didn't help matters either. Ken is the man now and thats all there is to it. I see great things in Jason's future with Ken behind the mask.

[J.Sledge]

Originally posted by Fred Head
I know that all of you say that you have warmed up to Kane being Jason. Hell i myself loved Kane's work as Jason,but as we came to closer and closer to Kane Jason slowly lost his shock value. I mean I always support Jason,but it's just a fact. Kane has even admitted that he will tell the director he won't do something. You can't tell a director how to do his job he is directing you. I think Ronny cought wind of Kane's habit of doing this and decided he didn't want to deal with it. Like I said earlyer it's cool to like the actor playing jason but the closer you get to him the less you see Jason and the more you just see Kane in the mask. When I saw Freddy Vs jason it was the first time in a long time that I wasn't looking at the actor in the mask I was actually looking at Jason. It may just be a good thing to replace the actor every few installments to keep Jason fresh. Again I thank Kane for what he has done,but you just gotta keep it fresh. Kane just wasn't fresh anymore and his refusal to follow direction didn't help matters either. Ken is the man now and thats all there is to it. I see great things in Jason's future with Ken behind the mask.

Okay my question is alot of you on the board think that Ken will come back. This is yet to be determined, The next director(Considering they even do another movie) may pick Kane, Ken or some other stunt guy who's cheap & can take direction. Time will tell, we shall see.

[BadNewsCruise]

Its all 50 50 here. We love Ken the future of my favorite horror icon. Some of you like Kane the past. End thread

[J.Sledge]

Originally posted by BadNewsCruise
Its all 50 50 here. We love Ken the future of my favorite horror icon. Some of you like Kane the past. End thread

& fade to black lol

[SixStrangSmoker]

end scene...
roll credits..
turn on the lights and go home..

[anybodykilla100]

One thing left to say Ken is awesome Kane is awesome but Kane is 10 times more aggressive than Ken will ever be.If it ever came down to it Kane would kick Ken's ass.Kane 4-life lata

[SixStrangSmoker]

in all honesty..i liked them both equally

Jason just seemed like Jason to me, now if Freddy would have been played by someone different..i would have to kick some anus


and how come nobody cares that every Michael Myers has been a different guy?

[Queen_Akasha]

Jason Rules no matter who plays him!

[Haddonfield]

This whole thing has been blown way out of its own means.

I would have loved to see Kane as Jason in this. Fact is, he deserved it. But after seeing the movie, who can complane? It seems childish to go back and forth about who was "the best Jason."

Ken was just fine, as was every other person to dawn the mask or sack. Kane WAS Jason for a decade. He should have been in this movie. It didnt happen. The movie still was damn great. End it at that.

Jason was fine here.

It is VERY unfair to judge Ken's dedication to the role, since this is the only one he has done! Sure he doesnt have a tat, what does that mean? Did he do a great job? YES HE DID. If it was Kane would it have been even better than the heavan we watched? YOU BET!

oh well...didnt happen. Great movie regardless.

[ParileseMonster]

Ah he was alright but I did not like that there was a newer Jason and not Kane, I knew right away it was a new guy he was not as big, not as husky and his neck was skinny! And he did not heave and Jason heaves people, his big brawny chest is all up and down, up and down. Nah I give this dude a 5 because he just stood there doing the Michael Myers head cocking to the side shit.
Kane was a ten and they should have kept him and not fired him and I don't care what he did. Whoever got rid of Kane is a dumbass!

[Haddonfield]

One thing to keep in mind...and Im no Kane basher...but they did have 5 movies starring Jason without kane.

Kane did become Jason. But the movie is too good to let that kill it.

[J.Sledge]

Originally posted by SixStrangSmoker
in all honesty..i liked them both equally

Jason just seemed like Jason to me, now if Freddy would have been played by someone different..i would have to kick some anus


and how come nobody cares that every Michael Myers has been a different guy?

Well for one everyone knows that Nick Castle isn't coming back to play Michael, so we kinda have to put up with who they pick. Although I really like the new kid Brad Loree who did Halloween H2O & Halloween Resurrection.

[Haddonfield]

Originally posted by J.Sledge
Well for one everyone knows that Nick Castle isn't coming back to play Michael, so we kinda have to put up with who they pick. Although I really like the new kid Brad Loree who did Halloween H2O & Halloween Resurrection.

Chris Durand played Mike in H2O. But I agree, Brad did great in the train wreak that was part 8.

[J.Sledge]

Originally posted by Haddonfield
Chris Durand played Mike in H2O. But I agree, Brad did great in the train wreak that was part 8.

I stand corrected thank you

[Queen_Akasha]

I actually did like Kane Playing Jason in Part 7 He looked awsome in that one and also in Jason Goes To Hell!