Vatican to allow condoms for some

[Vong]

The Vatican announced that it will publish a statement that will permit people with HIV/AIDS to use condoms to help prevent the spread of the disease.

Wow. It's about time don't you think?
This is coming alittle too late from the Vatican. Already millions in Africa are suffering from the disease. 1/3 adults have HIV in sub-Saharan Africa, and every year 4 million people die each year of AIDS in the continent. While thousands of children are coping with the disease that their parents gave them upon conception and the majority of them won't see their fourth birthday. This, mainly from Christian missionaries preaching that god does not permit the use of condoms because it is sinful. In a way, this is a form of genocide. And I think the Vatican is finally realizing that the religion they preach is ultimately killing millions. Because these people in Africa and other global Southern countries believe this to be the truth. And many documents show that the main reason people in Africa do not use condoms is because of the religious doctrine that they were taught told them not to.

Do you think god changed his mind on the issue because he didn't like his children dying of a preventable illness?

[EVILxxx]

An organization that has existed for as long as the Catholic Church is going to take to change at a snail's pace. However I don't blame the church for the wide spread of AIDS throughout the African continent, I blame the leaders who have been given billions of dollars in aide to help coup when the disease and have done NOTHING what so ever with that money other than pad their own pockets.
Only 40% of Africa is Christian. Another 40% is Muslim and the other 20% follow Africa-specific religion.

[someguy]

I like how the Catholic church tries to slowly reform itself to adapt to modern issues. I think that more fundmamental type religions will not work since people are evolving and newer things are going to come out of it, things nobody knew about way back when (it's even happening now).

[The Heart Collector]

Priests should use condoms so that they stop spreading AIDS around all the children of their particular local church.

[Tai Mai Jew]

Nope. They shouldn't... Those children deserve it.

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
Nope. They shouldn't... Those children deserve it.

They should stop wearing suggestive clothing.

[someguy]

"But it's those kids fault, I mean you know. Come on. They're to blame, they're to share the blame is what I'm saying. They gotta know, I mean come on kids are so grown up nowadays. You don't fucking walk into a confessional booth and see scented candles and an empty box that says 'The Violator' on it and not go 'Huh?' Come on I don't care if you're fucking eight years old and innocent, FIGURE IT OUT. They're the ones sitting there tempting the priests anyway. You know the priest is sitting there and the kid is like 'forgive me father for I have sinned' how do you not fuck that? How do you not fuck that? You'd do the same thing if you were in a confessional booth and you weren't allowed to have any sex for the rest of your life. They're fucking sitting there with their innocent batting eyes and that sweetness and that 'gee shucks golly' look with that tight pink virgin asshole staring at that priest. He knows what's in there, he knows what's right beyond there that shit is made of pressboard. You can break right through there. God made that fucking perfect ruby starfruit so don't tell me I can't use it."

[The Heart Collector]

hahah david cross is awesome

[Lynn7]

It is really silly. People who are engaging in sex with multiple sex partners are already breaking church laws so to tell them it's ok to wear condoms is really stupid, IMO. If they wanted to do it they would do it anyway.

[BubbaStrangelove]

This reminds me of some Kang & Kodos shit...

"Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!"

[Joshmo]

As just a reader. I read the link and nowhere is it given the church IS going to change its stance on condom use. A retired clergy made a statement is all. The Pope is studying the question.

As a Catholic, and knowng how the Church works, ( not being a psychic here) I can almost GUARANTEE 99.999% that if the Pope allows an easement of condom use for those with AIDS it will ONLY and SOLEY be allowed to those who are in a MARRIED state as recognized by the Catholic Church. And even then I am skeptical they will allow this (but I would support it)

If it does happen expect the Pope to reiterate that sex outside marriage is not condoned, nor is the use of condoms for the practice of birth control whether in or outside the context of marriage and then ONLY (again if it happens) for those married couples who have a communicable disase that can endanger the life of the other partner...ie...herpes isnt gonna cut it.

Cant wait to see how close my guess on this one is.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Why does anyone care what the Vatican does, honestly, can someone tell me why this is a big deal?

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by Lynn7
It is really silly. People who are engaging in sex with multiple sex partners are already breaking church laws so to tell them it's ok to wear condoms is really stupid, IMO. If they wanted to do it they would do it anyway.

Your lack of understanding of condom use in Africa is staggering.

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Why does anyone care what the Vatican does, honestly, can someone tell me why this is a big deal?

Your lack of understanding of the influence the Catholic Church wields on the world is staggering.

[Vong]

Your lack of understanding of the influence the Catholic Church wields on the world is staggering.

Your lack of understanding of condom use in Africa is staggering.

Your continual use of sarcasm is staggering.

[Vong]

Lynn, people aren't getting HIV/AIDS from having multiple partners. The main cause of the diseases transmission is rape. Countries like South Africa experience almost 2 rapes a day, where either the women receives the disease from the assaulter, or the man receives it from raping the woman. Either way, the disease is spread to the others family and their lives are drastically affected by it.

It is also the case in many war-torn ravaged countries in the continent that they use the disease as a weapon. In the Rwandan genocide, Hutu's used their disease as a weapon to help eliminate the Tutsi population. Thousands of women were raped and given the disease, where they passed it on to their kids (upon birth) and spouses.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
Your lack of understanding of the influence the Catholic Church wields on the world is staggering.

Obviously I understand the Church is influential if I just asked the question I did. Why don't you try and make a valid point for once?

[someguy]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Obviously I understand the Church is influential if I just asked the question I did. Why don't you try and make a valid point for once?

bwhahahahaahahahahhaha

pot meet kettle

[JohnTheHenchman]

What a worthwhile post there, someguy.

Why don't you remind us how much you hate a president that isn't even yours?

[someguy]

Oh John, you're absolutely right that I have no opinion over a president that isn't mine. I mean, America would never effect my country since we're not the same. Sure we're right next to them and America hurt the meat industry of Canada terribly by banning the imports, but that's nothing.

Hell, I mean why does Iraq or Afghanistan complain about America's government? It's not even theirs, they won't do anything to them!

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Obviously I understand the Church is influential if I just asked the question I did. Why don't you try and make a valid point for once?

IRONYLOL.


The Catholic Church dictates what many, many countries do. They don't have a big influence in America, but in CATHOLIC COUNTRIES, clearly the Catholic Church is going to be massively important.

Lynn, people in Africa don't refuse to use condoms JUST BECAUSE. They have retarded beliefs, beliefs fostered by the Catholic Church, that they shouldn't wear condoms because condoms don't protect and because they shouldnt be fucking anyway (yeah, like thats going to happen). Kinda like if George W told you not to use contraceptives or something. If religion didn't tell LIES to people in these countries (such as, 'pfft, the HIV virus sneaks in through the pores of the condoms. they're 100% useless'), PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE FUCKING DYING.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Vong
Lynn, people aren't getting HIV/AIDS from having multiple partners. The main cause of the diseases transmission is rape. Countries like South Africa experience almost 2 rapes a day, where either the women receives the disease from the assaulter, or the man receives it from raping the woman. Either way, the disease is spread to the others family and their lives are drastically affected by it.

It is also the case in many war-torn ravaged countries in the continent that they use the disease as a weapon. In the Rwandan genocide, Hutu's used their disease as a weapon to help eliminate the Tutsi population. Thousands of women were raped and given the disease, where they passed it on to their kids (upon birth) and spouses.

There was a big story in the papers just the other day about how there is a big push to get people to restrict themselves to one sex partner- their spouse. The article said this has been shown to really decrease the spread of AIDS. Obviusly rapists will not be wearing condoms and if this was what the issue was all about then Pope certainly wouldn't waste his time considering the use of condoms for rapists.

I couldn't find the ariticle I saw the other day but here is an excerpt from avert.org on Aids in Africa:

Why is HIV more widespread in Africa than elsewhere in the world?
No-one really knows the full answer to this question. However we do know there are many factors that influence the rate at which HIV is transmitted. Such factors include poverty; social instability; gender inequality; patterns of sexual networking; sexual violence; other sexually transmitted infections (which facilitate HIV transmission); lack of male circumcision; high mobility; rapid urbanisation and modernisation; and ineffective leadership during critical periods in the epidemic’s spread. Some scientists believe that differences between HIV subtypes also have an effect on transmission rates.4, 5

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by Vong
Lynn, people aren't getting HIV/AIDS from having multiple partners. The main cause of the diseases transmission is rape. Countries like South Africa experience almost 2 rapes a day, where either the women receives the disease from the assaulter, or the man receives it from raping the woman. Either way, the disease is spread to the others family and their lives are drastically affected by it.

Ok so if the main cause of the transmission of AIDS in Africa is rape then how does this fit in

This, mainly from Christian missionaries preaching that god does not permit the use of condoms because it is sinful.

Do you think the people doing the raping aren't wearing condoms because that wouldn't be Christian?

[Vong]

Ok so if the main cause of the transmission of AIDS in Africa is rape then how does this fit in

When a person gets HIV/AIDS, they are reluctant to use condoms when performing sexual acts with their partner due to religious reasons. Generally once a women is raped, she is unaware for a while that she had the disease. She will go on with her life until the symptoms appear.

If a man gets HIV/AIDS, then generally he was the "donor" of the disease and will keep spreading it to every woman he fucks.

Do you think the people doing the raping aren't wearing condoms because that wouldn't be Christian?

I don't know about that. Why don't you ask the rapists?
But this isn't part of my original point. The rapists are players in this epidemic, but they aren't the only ones.

The Vatican is finally realizing that steps need to be taken in order to stop the spread of HIV/AIDS. Generally missionaries and priests preach to the people not to use condoms at all, due to its apparent sinfullness. People with the disease will more than likely not tell their partner or spouse. They can easily transmit the disease without protection. Condoms step in to take two roles; one being a preventative measure against HIV/AIDS with each partner, and the other is when a person asks to use a condom it will provoke a discussion on the reason.

[EVILxxx]

Well the sum of your point was that The Church is comitting genocide. You are putting undo blame on the Church I think. It is obviously a mass cultural problem if a woman gets raped and does not tell her husband about it, and the possibility that he could contract the disease from her.

[BubbaStrangelove]

I see where Lynn is at on this, but maybe we should take it a step further. Having sex is the factor that needs to be reduced. Obviously the people in Africa would benefit from those drugs that make males impotent, and dimminish sexual pleasure. Obviously the act of having sex is the true evil here, and only if we can elimate the act of sex can we elimiate AIDS/HIV. Once an African decides on who their life partner will be, they can petition the missonaries to allow them off the medicine. Then they will be free to procreate, and never, ever, ever have to worry about catching AIDS. Ever.