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06-18-2007, 04:31 PM
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Michael Moore's SICKO
I just got to see this flick... and god damn, it is excellent!
it really shows how this country really lacks in Health care and how every other country (Including CUBA) are far superior to ours in ways of Health care and the treatment for our sick and dying. No matter what your feelings are towards Michael Moore and his films (i personally LOVE every thing Michael Moore has ever done, i think he is a truly gifted filmmaker, and just kicks ass in every way) you need to see this flick... i swear it will open your eyes. 
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06-18-2007, 05:47 PM
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Michael Moore always starts out with the best intentions and good things to fight for, but goes a little overboard in his arguments. Having said that, God knows universal health care is something this country desperately needs. I'm eager to see this documentary.
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06-18-2007, 05:50 PM
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I'm quite interested in seeing how this comes across onscreen...I've had some problems with health care issues for the past couple of years (not for me, a family member), so this should be an interesting thesis.
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06-18-2007, 05:59 PM
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I'm surpised at how subtle the release for this film is. Farenheit banked over $100 million domestically, you think they'd try and market this a little more?
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06-19-2007, 01:54 PM
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DId you have anything to add about this film, or was that all the contribution you wanted to add?? as for the documentary itself.... Moore does NOT go over bard on this topic one bit. This is a pretty straight forward "this is whats going on, we need to do something about it" documentary! He doesnt attack anyone really either! its just a great great documentary! i will probably see it again once it hits theaters
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06-19-2007, 02:07 PM
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i just thought threads in current were saved until it was a week before a films release so for this it would be like friday or something
anyhoo, i have seen Sicko and thought it was excellent, not as good as his other documentaries imo but just as interesting, also pretty shocking at times while watching this is one of the few times i've actually liked living in the UK 
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#9
06-19-2007, 07:08 PM
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There has to be a counter point to this movie..I mean how can most of us here in the USA be drowning in health care debt and not want to have what the UK has? What are the big issues with universal health care..there has to be some negatives that come with not paying. I mean do you pay a ton extra in payroll tax or what? I seen the movie , and in cuba they hand out drugs for free that people here pay 100 bucks for. How is this possible?
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#10
06-19-2007, 11:38 PM
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I dont know man, he covers pretty much every aspect... the theaories that they pay more taxes than we do... Debunked.
The theory that there are longer waits becauise it is all fre.. Debunked.. hell they wait like 20-30 minutes! The theory that the doctors are paid shit... Debunked!! How does an AUDI car sound??! every one must go see this film!!
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#11
06-20-2007, 04:47 AM
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That said, I thought SICKO was a good film and I happen to agree with his thesis. But Moore's portrayal of the European healthcare system - and the examples he uses, were way too biased to take at face value. I mean, how serious are we supposed to take a bunch of snotty American expats living in France? Last edited by Fisting Ackbar; 06-20-2007 at 04:49 AM..
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#12
06-22-2007, 10:33 PM
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By the way, the film's release date was pushed up to this weekend due to the leak online so SkyNet is right in making this thread.
That said, it is an okay movie. Heavily biased on making other health care systems look squeaky clean, which I didn't like.
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#13
06-23-2007, 12:38 AM
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There's a part in the trailer for Sicko where Moore talks about how the US ranks at #37 among the world's health care systems, "just ahead of Slovenia." But...uh...did you notice what #39 was?
CUBA. Has Moore just stopped giving a fuck?
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#14
06-23-2007, 03:03 AM
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I love Michael Moore's films, they have all helped shape my current viewpoints and desires and I am definitely looking forward to Sicko, provided my area gets it (which is always a MAYBE), that being said i am most definitely going to Ratatouille afterwards cause if I come out of this one half as bad as I did Fahrenheit 9/11 (I was a wreck and I cried at Bowling for Columbine during the scenes involving the little girl being shot in Flint and Charlton Heston's ignorance of her) I'm going to need entertainment fast!
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06-23-2007, 12:31 PM
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I'm really looking forward to this movie, healthcare is the biggest issue facing this country but no one wants to do anything about it. We're living in a seriously broken society when getting sick means ruining yourself financially.
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06-23-2007, 01:36 PM
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06-23-2007, 11:17 PM
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 Yeah, I noticed this too when I was watching it. Can anyone explain this? I'm really interested to find out. I just watched it and , other than the above head scratcher, the movie is one of the most amazing films I've seen in my life. It really opened the whole health care issue up and blew me away. One of the most powerful movies in recent memory and by far one of the best movies of the year. Last edited by Addi88; 06-23-2007 at 11:33 PM..
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06-24-2007, 09:47 AM
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I MIGHT see this, def check it out on dvd though
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06-24-2007, 02:08 PM
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06-30-2007, 10:45 PM
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Sicko is definitely a movie every american should see. It shows how truly corrupt and broken our healthcare system is. Moore shows some of those who "fall through the cracks" and either go bankrupt paying the bills or get inadequate treatment and die. I realize Moore picked out extreme cases to prove his point but the fact of the matter is there should be no cases like this at all in a country with the resources of the U.S.
America is supposed to be the biggest superpower in the world and supposedly the greatest country on Earth yet our health care system is ranked 37th in the world according to the WHO. This is completly unacceptable, America has the financial resources to provide the best healthcare in the world by far yet we rank 37th. The porblem is not an easy on but if I had to sum things up in one sentence I would say the problem is the insurance companies put profits ahead of people and it should be without a dobut the other way around. I really hope this film starts a serious debate on this issue becuase enough is enough all citizens of the U.S. should have affordable health care and if that means the end of the HMO's all I can say is good riddance. 8.5/10 Last edited by cletus66; 06-30-2007 at 10:50 PM..
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#21
07-01-2007, 05:59 PM
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I can't say the subject matter was unfamiliar to me. I worked 2 summers for a neurology clinic. The first summer was in records the second was in the billing department. I was the one who mailed out the insurance claims which would include copies of the doctor's findings and diagnosis. I was instructed to make sure I followed all the filing rules to a T because the insurance companies would look for the most minute error as an excuse to deny a claim.
My mother works at that same clinic and informs me whenever I ask what a constant pain it is to try and bully, berate and remind these people that these are life and death decisions they are bumbling with and taking so lightly. This is EVERYDAY and it just exhausts and confounds her. Imagine what its like for the elderly patients who come there. This system makes absolutely no sense and its continuous existence is horrendous evidence to the corruption that is being perpetrated by our government (Democrat and Republican alike) Moore provides the stark contrast to highlight this grotesqueness by matching our system with Communist Cuba's. A country we've been told is evil and corrupt and wrong, yet their people have cheaper medicine and access to the care they actually need AND live longer than us. It was an embarrassment to see that 9/11 first responder buy the same medication in Cuba for FIVE CENTS that she pays $120 here in the US. (not to mention how people who set out to kill citizens get better medical attention. Maybe if we submit to torture they'll have to provide better coverage). Of course Cuba is still #39 for a reason. Not all hospitals are like the one in the film. England, especially London is ridiculously expensive, but they pay a flat fee of about six pounds for ANY type & amount of medication (that's about $11) There's nothing wrong with making healthcare profit based, except when the profit is made by letting people die when they could be saved. The part of the movie that has stuck with me the most is the theory of debt and how it demoralizes and removes freedom from people. People say this society has become immoral, more selfish and greedy than it ever has and one has to wonder if its the way we've chosen to let ourselves be governed and ruled by people more concerned with bottom lines than providing the ability to independently provide and thrive for ALL its working class citizens that's part of the problem? Churches give wonderful charity services for a temporary period, but people want to be able to get back up once they get knocked down, and the burden of these skyrocketing deductibles, co-pays and denied claims is making it harder and harder to do. Another favorite part was Moore's criticism of Hillary Clinton, the former champion of Universal Healthcare now the second largest recipient of donation money from HMO companies! I haven't had a kind thing to say about the woman in years and this is just an extra nail in the coffin. Its probably the most important part of the film; showing us how bought off and owned our own politicians are and just how deeply imbedded the issue has become. The money truly has to be taken out of politics. This country needs to seriously back up its claim as a world superpower with more than just a large, expensive military. As I said before, there wasn't too much that was new for me in this movie, aside from some interesting political theories about what truly engenders democracy and true freedom for individuals and society. 8/10 Last edited by electriclite; 07-02-2007 at 05:40 AM..
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07-02-2007, 12:06 AM
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Some good things are being said about Moore's latest film, but I doubt that I will see it.
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07-02-2007, 12:28 AM
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If its for political reasons, you are entitled to your beliefs and I am not gonna start any crap with that. But the film seems to be gaining positive attention from both sides of the idealogical spectrum. However if its an issue with your local theatre not showing it; Cheers to DVDs!  Last edited by electriclite; 07-02-2007 at 12:36 AM..
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07-02-2007, 01:34 AM
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Even though Moore's Farenheit 9/11 was an eye opening experience for me and had me gripped I still don't know that I will be checking out Sicko. At least not in theatres. The reviews seem mostly positive though so who knows, maybe I'll cave in. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.
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07-03-2007, 10:14 AM
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07-03-2007, 05:24 PM
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Just seen it in the theater today. I'm a tough 25 male & it made me cry.
EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS : Massachusetts Makes Health Insurance Mandatory lets see if you clear $1500 per MONTH 1/3 of that ( $500) goes to Health care read this then protest
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#27
07-05-2007, 05:51 PM
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As for the article, it sounded like a good idea when i read it the first time, but then I realized that they're making people spend a lot of money on it, right? I don't think that's the point MM is making here, am I correct? I know affordable health insurance probably has a different definition for everyone, but I had shitty healthcare at one point that was just terrible...expensive, and still a VERY high copay everytime i went to the doc or got a prescription filled. So the issue is close to my heart and I am pleased as punch that MM decided to do somethign about it.
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#28
07-06-2007, 12:27 PM
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p.s.
currently chatting with Michael Moore right now on a livechat. awesome!! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/6/94342/72898
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#29
07-10-2007, 03:59 AM
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saw it today! great film.
the problem isnt the healthcare imo. its the damn people we elect to offices that are supossed to help the community. instead of helping the people who elected them to there high paid jobs. they sell out. greedy politicians are a bunch of currupt *&%$^ michael moore makes me want to move to another country and that is sad.
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#30
07-10-2007, 12:36 PM
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What? This is no "theory," it's actually fact. Yes, European countries have much higher taxes than America.
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#31
07-10-2007, 01:51 PM
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The point that's made in the film is that the taxes aren't as crippling as we are lead to believe. It shows what looks to be an upper middle class family and how well they live, how much they make, and the services they get in that system.
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#32
07-10-2007, 02:25 PM
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Speaking as somebody whose father is English and whose mother is Dutch, I know a lot more about how the world operates in terms health care than what Sicko made clear. Moore didn't fudge facts (despite what CNN claims), but as usual, he did use clever editing and manipulation to sway just about everything in his favor. Because honestly, the tax issue is a big one. I'm not saying I'm not for universal health care, because I completely am, but taxes would increase and that's all there is to it. Just because SOME people would be able to live comfortably, that doesn't mean everybody else would too. Have you guys been to England? London is fucking expensive as hell. If you don't have a decent salary there, you're basically screwed. But here's a question: would you rather the money you spent go to taxes paying for universal health care (thus helping your fellow man), or to overpaid business executives who are doing everything in their power to make sure they benefit off your pain and suffering? Yeah, I'm gonna go with paying more on taxes. P.S. To see the aforementioned CNN video of Moore badmouthing the channel and their libel against him, check out this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpKoN40K7mA
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#34
07-11-2007, 10:50 AM
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I'm sorry if I'm asking obvious questions here, but I'm not a local and I'd like to know
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#35
07-11-2007, 12:11 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michae...c_b_55659.html Last edited by Edie0027; 07-11-2007 at 12:16 PM..
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#36
07-12-2007, 12:33 AM
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Want to know the cons of Universal Health Care?
1. There may be longer wait periods before you could see a specialist or be approved for physical therapy. This is particularly the case with Canada. 2. Private insurance may still exist. In countries like Germany and the UK, people who have private insurance expect preferential treatment from their doctors. Some interesting facts: 1. Japan and UK both have Universal Health Care and both spend very little on their health care. One big reason for this is because their cultures tend to not favor the newest technology. Moreover, they tend to avoid surgeries. 2. Over 50% of Japanese doctors are primary care specialists. Primary Care specialists see many, many more patients per day than our doctors see per day. 3. If we were to get Universal Health Care, Canada's model of health care seems to be the most popular. Make no mistake -- I'm a huge proponent of Universal Health care. We will save a shitload of money because of the fact that more money will go into actual health care than to insurance employees. I hope that you guys will see the film, embrace the issue, and help spread the word. It is only if we demand it that things will change sooner, rather than later. Ireally don't want to wait 14 more years for Uni. health care.
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#37
07-12-2007, 01:00 AM
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Moore asks good questions sometimes, but he is often flat out wrong.
All over youtube are videos of Moore and Sanjay Gupta debating. What is interesting to note is the fact that Gupta and Moore agree about a lot of the conclusions that are made in Sicko. Their points of disagreement stem from Gupta's accusations that Moore may be stretching the truth in his film. You could see a 3 part debate here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifVsu...elated&search= To his credit, Moore makes some very good points. But there are some things that America does do better than other countries. Moore is a smart guy, but he doesn't really know about the specifics and technical side of health care. In part 3 of the debate, Sanjay asks "would you rather have a cardiac catherization done in the US or in the UK or Canada?" Moore says that he'd choose to have procedures done in the other countries rather than the US because of the fact that he'd have a higher probability of being able to see a doctor that same day. What he isn't understanding is that there is a difference between seeing YOUR doctor and seeing A doctor when you need emergency care. To his credit, Moore makes a absolutely wonderful argument when he says "regarding the wait times in Canada -- sure they have longer wait times. The reason for that is because everyone is in line. In America, 47 million people are uninsured and the lines are shorter because 47 million people are not in line. That is just immoral". What I want you guys to see is that Moore raises great questions. And the fact that he's raising awareness for universal health care so so important. But what you guys have to be able to do is to question things that he says. Yes -- many of his conclusions are correct. But you have to take his arguments at surface value.
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#38
07-13-2007, 08:56 AM
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I know a few Europeans and if you met a few yourself, you'd notice the majority tend to have something in common: No siblings. One of my friends from Italy has noted how surprising it was for him that his American friends had so many siblings, and by many I mean more than one. In Europe it tends to be too expensive for a lot of families to have more than one child. Taxes just might have a liiiiiiiiiittle something to do with that.
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#39
07-13-2007, 09:56 AM
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So far, this is the best film of the year. even though that isn't saying much. The film is emotinally gripping and draining and is exremely well-made, which can be said of all Moore films.
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#40
07-16-2007, 08:44 AM
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hmm, so many people talk about this issue, but have no clue about what it's all about.
The issue isn't health care, or lack of it. If it was it would have an easy explaination and we would all vote for it. Just to note, this is why most americans shouldn't vote, and why only Yale graduates can serve as president. First Michael Moore is stupid, his grasp of ideas are that of a teenage girl holding up a peace sign, while someone is stealing her panties. This has to do with US policies, dealing with the private enterprise of health care. We are a comporate country and like it or not, we need less taxes and more independent ownership. Not government control. We can't regulate morality. This means we can control what what people think or do. Meaning if you can't go to school and get a good job that affords you health care, then your... The next issue, why is americans more than ever losing health care, why has it steadly declined sense 86' what did Regan do in 86'? Same issue, new point. We need more doctors, we need to take citizens we have now, and pay for them to go to college so they can become doctors, we need more doctors, this will lower health care costs. Again, we need to give more scholarships to doctors, not athletes. If you know anything about history and you know anything about Cuban history, you'd understand that Moore is a liar and it's like looking at hitler killing the Jews, then saying the after that the econemy improved. We killed millions, but, now we have a more stable econemy. Castro did this. I could explain why he wants to push such an agenda to the public, or why the Democrats want to push such an agenda, but this not the time or place, and really it's all opinion on my part. If i wanted to give my opinion and state statistic that have no barring on the real truth I would make a documentry like he did.
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