If John Carpenter was dead, he'd be rolling in his grave...

[The_Driller_Killer]

Sorry, kids. I know there's already a thread posted about Zombie's latest crapfest, but since that was basically all speculation, and there's close to 1,000 replies already, I thought I'd post another.

***MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!!!***

Oy vey...

Where to begin...?

After seeing Zombie's first 2 films, I had some serious doubts he'd be able to pull off a remake of such a classic film as "Halloween." He really has no eye for talent, no skill for creating tailored dialogue, and he truly has no idea how to create a believable story and character arc. It laymen’s terms, he has no talent when it comes to filmmaking. That's plain to see.

After seeing the workprint edition, I've come to find that all of my fears were had in good reason. He took a film that has gone down in history over the past 29 years as one of the greatest horror movies of all time and absolutely butchered it.

His main goal was to give Michael more background. Great. Understandable. But what he presents the audience with is 55 minutes of pointless, senseless blather that is meant to be a huge build-up to something great, but in the end becomes a total waste of time.

In interviews, Zombie claims to have done his research in childhood mental illness. He claims to have brushed up on the issue to flesh out his character and make the audience truly believe what is being shown. That is not at all evident. Not in the very least.

Michael has clearly come from a low-class, trailer park-esque family that has done nothing but abuse and belittle his existence. I guess we're supposed to believe this is what led to his breakdown. And then, after brutally murdering a school bully, his sister, her boyfriend, and his stepfather, he is sent to an institution. There, he meets Dr. Loomis, who does basically nothing but talk the kid to death. There is no medication prescribed to treat his illness. There really isn't anything in the form of diagnosis. I don't recall a name once being given for what he actually has. And, of course, Michael tires of the hospital and of his "treatment," and begs for release. When this fails, he shuts down completely and refuses to speak. At the end of his rope, Dr. Loomis tells young Michael's mother that the "treatment" has failed and there is nothing left to try but "shock treatment."

Just in case you missed that the first time, the doctor recommends SHOCK TREATMENT... for a ten year old child... And not only that, but wouldn't a well-schooled doctor call the process by its' standard MEDICAL term, which is electric convulsive therapy?? Well, with all the "research" Zombie has done, I suppose he knew what he was doing here. Ehh...

And then we cut to Michael's violent escape on Halloween Night when he returns to Haddonfield to finish what he started. His main goal is to eliminate the final member of his family, his sister Laurie.

Firstly, if he wanted more than anything to murder Laurie, why the hell didn't he just do it while he had the chance? After finishing a trio of brutal murders, he lifts his baby sister out of the crib, then sits outside on the front stoop and awaits his mother's return. Okay...

And then we are introduced to how young Michael got his hands on the infamous mask. Apparently, his sister's boyfriend brought it along as a prank and asks if she'd have sex with him while he wears it. Hmm...

Michael then takes the mask and so his murder spree begins. So, what we have here in the modern world is a little thing called EVIDENCE, since this is the mask Mikey wore when committing three brutal murders. This, for some odd reason, has slipped police officials by because he is able to find it still residing within the house some fifteen years later. Riiiiiight...

When we get to what we're really looking forward to, the whole thing just seems so rushed. Laurie's character is introduced, full grown (well, almost) and it is uncertain whether or not she knows of her family's brutal history. Fine. Then, we have her friends, Annie and Linda. None of these characters were given any sort of real background. We know absolutely nothing about them before they die. Well, we know that Annie and Linda are both easy, but that's pretty much it.

Chop, chop, chop, rush, rush, rush. They're butchered one after another, leaving the audience less than satisfied.

And then there's Rob's whole re-imagining of the famous bedsheet scene from the original film. That's all well and good, but was it absolutely necessary to have Bob wear the SAME EXACT GLASSES as the Bob in the original 1978 film?! I mean, this is 2007 here, kids. Do they even MAKE those ginormous satellite dishes anymore? And if so, who in their right mind would actually wear them? Not a high school student, that's for damn sure.

As if the kills weren't rushed enough, we have sloppy, choppy, dizzying handheld camera work to leave the viewer even more disoriented. At some scenes in the film, it felt as though an earthquake was taking place on set. The picture jumps, shifts, shakes, jolts, spins, rotates. It was enough to make me queasy.

In the original film, one of the creepiest and let's face it, BEST moments in the film is just after Michael is shot by Dr. Loomis. Terrified, Laurie whimpers, "It *was* the boogeyman..." Loomis turns to face her and says, "As a matter of fact, it was." Zombie also decided to redo this scene, but it is sitting in a car after the big shootout. Only this time, in a small, wimpy, childlike voice, the character of Laurie asks, "Was that the boogeyman...?" Loomis turns and says, "As a matter of fact, I do believe it was." Stick with what works here, Rob.

And, as expected, Michael is not really dead. He pulls Laurie through the passenger side window (who comes out without a scratch on her, believe it or not). He holds her in place, knife in-hand. Loomis rushes to save the day just as a swarm of policemen arrive at the scene, guns cocked and ready. Loomis actually tells the officers to "Cool it," which I found rather undoctorly. He then coaxes Michael unconvincingly, telling him to simply "let her go." And guess what? MICHAEL LETS HER GO. Whoa...

Michael Myers has made it his lifelong goal to eliminate his sister. He will stop at nothing to see her dead. That is clearly stated. And we’re supposed to believe he’d just… let her go free? Are you kidding me?!

She rushes into the arms of Dr. Loomis. And then, Michael drops his knife and surrenders. Yes, a mindless, chaotic killing machine like the one and only MICHAEL MOTHERFUCKING MYERS is surrendering. We think the police are going to march up with a readied pair of handcuffs and haul his looney ass off to jail. But, no. What do they do? THEY BLOW HIS ASS AWAY. Even though he has no weapon, even though he has clearly surrendered, they take aim and FIRE. Um… When does that happen? Like… ever…?

As the camera lingers on Michael’s lifeless body, we hear a taped recording of his first childhood session with Dr. Loomis as the screen fades to black.

So very much of this film was just soooooo very hard to swallow. So much of it does not make one iota of sense and when we’re not forced to decipher one extraneous thing after another, we’re forced to listen to Zombie’s inane dialogue. If there’s one thing this guy knows how to do, it’s write cringe-worthy dialogue. A lot of the acting in the film could very well be misconstrued because of it. Danielle Harris, who has already proved herself as a credible and talented actress, is given nothing but senseless blather, thereby crippling her skills. I don’t care how talented an actor is, if you give them lines like these, they’re going to come out bad. Give Meryl Streep a role in a Zombie film and the audience will be shouting, “YOU SUCK!” at her Academy Award-winning ass.

I guess we’re all entitled to a few mistakes and I’d be more than willing to forgive if they weren’t presented in such abundance. I might be able to forgive if Zombie didn’t give interviews boasting his research on the subject and his knowledge of mental illness. He has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. None. Zip. Yet, because he’s Rob Zombie, his films get greenlit.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, do not waste your hard-earned cash and see this film in theaters. If you simply *must* see it, then take a few hours and download it for free. I seriously doubt the workprint is that much different than the theatrical version. Unless, of course, they completely re-shot the entire film and that is highly doubtful. Or, better yet, don’t watch the film at all. Do yourself a favor and re-watch John Carpenter’s 1978 classic.

That is all.

[yorrick brown]

haven`t they changed it since then?.

i read michael kills loomis or at least rips his eyes out?

[The_Driller_Killer]

Does it really matter what's been changed? I'm sure it'll be a terrible film regardless. But alas, this review is based solely on the workprint edition. After seeing this huge mess, I have absolutely no desire to see the finished product.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by The_Driller_Killer
Does it really matter what's been changed? I'm sure it'll be a terrible film regardless. But alas, this review is based solely on the workprint edition. After seeing this huge mess, I have absolutely no desire to see the finished product.

. . . oh.

I thought you had already seen it.

[The_Driller_Killer]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
. . . oh.

I thought you had already seen it.

This review was for the workprint edition, not the theatrical version.

[LordSimen]

Your thread would make sense if Carpenter hadn't told Zombie to make the movie his own and approved of him directing.


Also, I refuse to take anyone's advice based solely on the workprint of the film. Fuck that. I'm going to see in theaters like everyone should.

[The_Driller_Killer]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Fuck that. I'm going to see in theaters like everyone should.

By all means. It's your funeral.

And yes, I am aware that Carpenter gave Zombie his blessing. However, I can't imagine John being pleased with the film after actually seeing it. If he likes it, so be it. I still thought it was awful.

[LordSimen]

You also state in your post that you believe Zombie has no talent in filmmaking and has no ability to make a classic, when he already has proven himself with The Devil's Rejects. That alone tells me I'm most definitely going to enjoy this film more than you are and there was no way you were going to enojy this film anyway.

[The_Driller_Killer]

Well, personally, I didn't feel The Devil's Rejects was proof that Zombie has a single shred of talent. I hated that one most of all out of all three of his films.

But if you like his films, that's okay by me. I'm by no means knocking anyone for liking his work. I just think he's a talentless hack. But hey, that's me.

[yorrick brown]

if i can sit through jack forst 2 or 7 mummies,i think i can watch halloween.

i`m not a big fan of rob zombie but i not going to not watch this because of him.

plus what i watched of the workprint was pretty good,i was impressed

[Cronos]

Well i checked out the workprint and thought it was awesome (this is coming from somebody who generally ends up hating remakes), also i hate the idea of backstory to these characters (it worked terribly with Hannibal and Leatherface) but i thought it was done very well in this and it had me hooked, i liked that it did something different to the original and focused more on Myers than the other characters. Anyway I'll be first in line when it gets released over here in 2 months, if this was anything to go by the theatrical version should be just as good if not better.

[LordSimen]

I was just on IMDB and was looking at how many people were posting on these saying how bad the movie is (based on the work print) and complaining about things such as Michael's escape and the ending... Mostly, they were complaining about the things that have CHANGED for the theatrical cut, but because some stupid idiot released the workprint cut they believe that IT is the actual cut because they odn't know anybetter. I fucking HATE people leaking this shit on the internet, it just fucking ruins it.

[SplatterMaster5]

So you're saying that just because it is different, that it will suck? I don't want this to be like that Psycho remake, I'd rather the film take its own direction instead of copying the original scene for scene. But don't take this seriously, I'm not the biggest fan of the Halloween movies and I guess my take on this shouldn't matter much anyway. I will admit that Michael surrendering sounds corny though, hopefully that is changed up.

[hitmanyr2k]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Your thread would make sense if Carpenter hadn't told Zombie to make the movie his own and approved of him directing.

Why the hell do I keep seeing people say this stuff. John Carpenter said NONE of that. People act like he and Zombie sat down like Richard Donner and Bryan Singer and talked this out in some in depth conversation or something lol.

In Zombie's own words it was nothing more than a 1-2 minute phone call that went like this...

"I called John Carpenter when I found out I was doing this," Zombie said. "I told him, 'Hi John, I just wanted to let you know I'm remaking ''Halloween.'' ' There was a long silence on the other end. Then he said, 'So? What do you want me to say?' I said, "I don't want you to say anything, I just thought I'd tell you." He just goes, "Okay, cool. Go for it. Anything else?"

That's not what I call a "blessing".

[MisterTwister]

Since your reviewing an OLD workprint of the film your review is pretty fucking useless to me.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by hitmanyr2k
Why the hell do I keep seeing people say this stuff. John Carpenter said NONE of that. People act like he and Zombie sat down like Richard Donner and Bryan Singer and talked this out in some in depth conversation or something lol.

In Zombie's own words it was nothing more than a 1-2 minute phone call that went like this...




That's not what I call a "blessing".

Believe it or not, a direct telling another direct to "go for it" is giving them their blessing.

[hitmanyr2k]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Believe it or not, a direct telling another direct to "go for it" is giving them their blessing.

No it's not lol...Carpenter sure as hell didn't give Zombie some kind of approval like he was cheering him on or something. If Uwe Boll had made that phone call to Carpenter he would have gotten the same response.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by hitmanyr2k
No it's not lol...Crpenter sure as hell didn't give Zombie some kind of approval like he was cheering him on or something. If Uwe Boll had made that phone call to Carpenter he would have gotten the same response.

If he had said nothing or if he had said "I don't approve of this," then Zombie would not have gotten his blessing. but Carpenter told Zombie: "Go for it." As in, "I have no problem with it, have at it!" That is a blessing my friend.

Carpenter has always been a man of few words and I wouldn't expect him to give a 20 minute speech of approval. "Go for it" sounds exactly like the kind of blessing he'd give.

[hitmanyr2k]

Originally posted by LordSimen
If he had said nothing or if he had said "I don't approve of this," then Zombie would not have gotten his blessing. but Carpenter told Zombie: "Go for it." As in, "I have no problem with it, have at it!" That is a blessing my friend.

Carpenter has always been a man of few words and I wouldn't expect him to give a 20 minute speech of approval. "Go for it" sounds exactly like the kind of blessing he'd give.

You were making it sound like Carpenter gave Zombie some big time stamp of approval with that "Carpenter told Zombie to make the movie his own and approved of him directing" stuff. Any director could have made that phone call and Carpenter would have given the same indifferent "I don't give a shit" response that Zombie got. He doesn't care. The man gets his royalty check in the mail and that's that.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by hitmanyr2k
You were making it sound like Carpenter gave Zombie some big time stamp of approval with that "Carpenter told Zombie to make the movie his own and approved of him directing" stuff. Any director could have made that phone call and Carpenter would have given the same indifferent "I don't give a shit" response that Zombie got. He doesn't care. The man gets his royalty check in the mail and that's that.

You assume he doesn't care. The only two people who truly know how the conversation went are Carpenter and Rob, and Rob himself seemed pretty damn excited when he got the approval and said that Carpenter was very supportive when he talked to him. This tells me that, from someone who had first hand experience with that 2 minute phone call, Carpenter did give a shit.

[The_Driller_Killer]

Originally posted by MisterTwister
Since your reviewing an OLD workprint of the film your review is pretty fucking useless to me.

Then don't fucking read it. Christ...

And one thing I'm tired of reading is all these complaints about people reviewing the workprint edition when the new version hasn't even been released yet. Do you have any idea why re-shoots were done in the first place?! Because the workprint tested so poorly that they had no choice but to go back in and make some quick changes. I'm sure Zombie probably knew his own vision was a bust, so he had no choice but to back track and eat shit as fast as he could. After all, the release date was approaching.

So, if Zombie's original vision, the one he worked long and hard on, is crap, why the hell would the newly revamped, rushed up reshoots make the movie any better? I doubt a few scenes slapped into this thing are going to turn it into a classic.

And by the way, I say from the get-go that my review is based on the workprint edition. If you have a problem with that, then go elsewhere.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by The_Driller_Killer
Then don't fucking read it. Christ...

And one thing I'm tired of reading is all these complaints about people reviewing the workprint edition when the new version hasn't even been released yet. Do you have any idea why re-shoots were done in the first place?! Because the workprint tested so poorly that they had no choice but to go back in and make some quick changes. I'm sure Zombie probably knew his own vision was a bust, so he had no choice but to back track and eat shit as fast as he could. After all, the release date was approaching.

So, if Zombie's original vision, the one he worked long and hard on, is crap, why the hell would the newly revamped, rushed up reshoots make the movie any better? I doubt a few scenes slapped into this thing are going to turn it into a classic.

And by the way, I say from the get-go that my review is based on the workprint edition. If you have a problem with that, then go elsewhere.

You shouldn't be reviewing the workprint. I think any reviews of the workprints should be deleted. But I'm not the moderator.

Zombie DID NOT do the re-shoots due to poor test scores.

Zombie: Yeah, the movie tested so well in New York that Weinstein was said, "I believe in this movie so much, if there's anything you felt you didn't get and you want to get it, I'll give you the money to go do it." Which is the greatest thing because there's always something more you want. The weird thing about movies I don't think people really understand is that it's like a puzzle put together out of sequence. And it's not until you're done that you go "Shit, if only we had done that," but we didn't because certain things come alive that are unexpected. It's not like you have a script that's your blueprint and you make it exactly what's there. Sometimes things change. Characters might become more important than they originally were, certain characters become less important. One of the things is the character Danny Trejo plays resonated so much stronger than I anticipated. There was one more scene with his character that I needed to resolve with him and it always felt like it was missing and that's one of the things we we went back to get.

That's from Rob Zombie himself from an interview with Shock Til you drop.

[The_Driller_Killer]

Yeah, I find it really hard to believe that everyone loved the workprint so much, however, Zombie decided to go back and reshoot a bunch of stuff anyway. That doesn't make an ounce of sense. If people were loving it so much, he would've just let it be.

And I do find it a little ironic that there were so many complaints about how pointless and unnecessary the whole rape scene was and that's one of the main scenes completely gone from the new version.

I don't care what anyone says. Zombie didn't do reshoots because he knew it was a great film. He did reshoots because he knew it was a piece of crap and needed some major polishing-up.

[Cronos]

That Zombie quote is interesting since everything i've read about the test screening of the first version (workprint) was that it bombed with the test audience and they told him to remove the rape scene, film a load more gore/kills and another ending.

[The_Driller_Killer]

Originally posted by Cronos
That Zombie quote is interesting since everything i've read about the test screening of the first version (workprint) was that it bombed with the test audience and they told him to remove the rape scene, film a load more gore/kills and another ending.

Thank you.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by Cronos
That Zombie quote is interesting since everything i've read about the test screening of the first version (workprint) was that it bombed with the test audience and they told him to remove the rape scene, film a load more gore/kills and another ending.

I've heard the opposite. I'll believe Zombie. He even said himself in the video interview on Joblo HE was not happy with the ending and wanted to do another.

When it comes down to it I'll believe the director instead of people who patheticaly hate Rob Zombie (not talking to you Cronos in this case).

[The_Driller_Killer]

Originally posted by MisterTwister


When it comes down to it I'll believe the director instead of people who patheticaly hate Rob Zombie (not talking to you Cronos in this case).

So, I guess you're speaking to me.

I never said I hated Rob. I said I hated his movies. That makes me pathetic?

[LordSimen]

Everyone whose biased against Rob or this remake keeps saying that the test reviews "bombed" and that John Carpenter "never gave Rob his blessing," while people who are biased for Rob and this remake (like myself) keep saying the opposite BASED exactly around what Rob says. The people in the middle are caught inbetween.

Personally, I hate how no matter what, no one ever trusts what the filmmakers says about the project and automatically assumes he's lying. When has Rob known to lie about his movies? He's pretty open and honest about things he doesn't like. He even said himself that HE wasn't happy with the Workprint and that HE himself had things he wanted to fix.

What is the point in reading interviews from the filmmakers themselves if we choose to ignore everything the filmmaker says? It makes the point of interviewing them pointless if everything that comes out of their mouth is a blatant lie in people's eyes.

[Romero&Juliet]

I just - don't like Rob Zombie all that much and I'm not suprised that this project is being met with some serious concerns form brass. It seems to me that LOT more money is at stake this time around, and he's probably under much more scrutiny.

He built a career on being ostentatious and kitschy - and, well, that's how all his movies have felt to me so far.

And giving Mikey a lower middle class trailer-court backround is about cliché as it gets; he ought to have been made a sexually confused Menonite boy, or an expatriate Kurd, or a fucking dolphin trainer..

err.. pure evil..

[Mr.HyDe807]

Im goign for this movie for an open mind. It sucks, it sucks. If its good, its good. Im there to support the Halloween franchise that i grew up with and to see Mike Meyers on the big screen for the first time!

[Ratlehed]

I did not read any of the review part because I'll see it in theatres.Hopefully this Sun. I survived Halloween: Ressurection in theatres, barely. I like Zombies music alot but hated his last 2 films. But he has an established charectar that is Michael Myers. So hopefully that helps him.

But I definatley WILL get my hands on a workprint copy. Look at Halloween 6. The producer cut is a workprint and far superior to the mess of a film that is the theatrical Halloween 6.


Of course Zombies Halloween already has 2 disc special edition written all over it.

[shoe1985]

I see no reason to not review the workprint. We all know changes took place, like the ending is all new, so, it is the original vision of the film. It didn't work, so, Rob went and reshot some scenes. If people can't discuss the workprint, why discuss the P-Cut of H6? If you don't like it, don't read it.

I am waiting to watch it until after I watch the T-Cut. I am going to pay for the movie because I believe if I watch it, they deserve my money, they worked hard to make a good movie. It is a job, and you expect to get paid for your work, otherwise, what is the point to make a movie?

This movie is getting such a mixed reaction that I don't think anyone has any idea how well it will do this weekend. It is going to be huge or flop badly.

As for this John and Rob thing. It was a brief conversation with Rob asking for permission to make this movie. John told him to go ahead. John could care less, he will make money from it if it is a remake or a sequel. He sold his soul away a lot time ago. So, his blessing means little. He could be happy people want to remake his movies though.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by shoe1985
He sold his soul away a lot time ago. So, his blessing means little.

He sold his soul? What makes you say that?

[shoe1985]

Originally posted by !MorganOnyx!
He sold his soul? What makes you say that?

Ok, his movie soul.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by shoe1985
Ok, his movie soul.

The thing is, from what I'm aware the studios own the rights to all of CARPENTER'S back catalogue, so whenever somebody wants to remake one of his films it's not down to him to make the decision anyway. I don't know of a case where he has been against one though. It's obviously courtesy for a director to call the original's director to receive their "blessing", but they don't have to.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by !MorganOnyx!
The thing is, from what I'm aware the studios own the rights to all of CARPENTER'S back catalogue, so whenever somebody wants to remake one of his films it's not down to him to make the decision anyway. I don't know of a case where he has been against one though. It's obviously courtesy for a director to call the original's director to receive their "blessing", but they don't have to.

Because even Carpenter remade a film during his career so he understands when another director is remaking a piece of his work that they love. He loved The Thing From Another World so much that he remade it with the Thing. So when Rob asked for his permission, he granted it. Because Carpenter doesn't have a problem with remakes.

[shoe1985]

Originally posted by !MorganOnyx!
The thing is, from what I'm aware the studios own the rights to all of CARPENTER'S back catalogue, so whenever somebody wants to remake one of his films it's not down to him to make the decision anyway. I don't know of a case where he has been against one though. It's obviously courtesy for a director to call the original's director to receive their "blessing", but they don't have to.

From what I know about Carpenter, he is now in the business for the money. He is very happy for people to remake his movies because he gets a huge check for it. With H20, he didn't want to do it. He even came out and said he receives a check and that makes him happy. He lost his love for movie making.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by The_Driller_Killer
This review was for the workprint edition, not the theatrical version.

. . . oh.

I thought you had seen the movie.

[!MorganOnyx!]

Originally posted by shoe1985
From what I know about Carpenter, he is now in the business for the money. He is very happy for people to remake his movies because he gets a huge check for it. With H20, he didn't want to do it. He even came out and said he receives a check and that makes him happy. He lost his love for movie making.

Yeah but that's just it, you don't know JOHN CARPENTER, none of us do! Of course he's going to be happy getting a cheque when somebody makes a HALLOWEEN sequel or remakes one of his films, who wouldn't?! "Hey, here's some money for doing nothing, do you want it?!!" He didn't want to make H20 because he has told his story and that was that. But I'm sure that doesn't mean he's lost his love for film making just because he takes their money! If he didn't enjoy it he wouldn't be working on his brand new feature and probably wouldn't have made two MASTERS OF HORROR episodes. MICK GARRIS himself said they had barely any money for the series, so CARPENTER hardly did that for the money.

If anything he's lost patience with the pathetic Hollywood system where your movie cannot be "good" if it doesn't hit big at the box office. He's made superb films over the years but only a few have been successful theatrically. No producers want to back him for new films because he's a risk. Yes, he's said before he doesn't care about the box office and yes he doesn't care about reviews but I'm pretty sure he cares that nobody will give him the money to make a film HE wants. It must drive the poor bloke crazy.

[yorrick brown]

Originally posted by !MorganOnyx!
Yeah but that's just it, you don't know JOHN CARPENTER, none of us do! Of course he's going to be happy getting a cheque when somebody makes a HALLOWEEN sequel or remakes one of his films, who wouldn't?! "Hey, here's some money for doing nothing, do you want it?!!" He didn't want to make H20 because he has told his story and that was that. But I'm sure that doesn't mean he's lost his love for film making just because he takes their money! If he didn't enjoy it he wouldn't be working on his brand new feature and probably wouldn't have made two MASTERS OF HORROR episodes. MICK GARRIS himself said they had barely any money for the series, so CARPENTER hardly did that for the money.

no he still has his money left over from this.



whats that saying?
fool me once shame on you
fool me twice shame on me


fool me three times i`ll fucking kill you