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Old 11-19-2004, 09:19 PM
Linda Ronstadt Hitler Remarks

Linda Ronstadt sees 'new bunch of Hitlers'
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Big News Network.com Saturday 20th November, 2004

Linda Ronstadt has called America's political leaders a new bunch of Hitlers, according to a report in Friday's USA Today.

In a feature story on the singer's new album, Hummin' to Myself, the paper quoted Ronstadt as comparing America's political climate to that of Germany, before the rise of Adolf Hitler.

People don't realize that by voting Republican, they voted against themselves, she said. I worry that some people are entertained by the idea of this (Iraq) war. They don't know anything about the Iraqis, but they're angry and frustrated in their own lives. It's like Germany, before Hitler took over. The economy was bad and people felt kicked around. They looked for a scapegoat. Now we've got a new bunch of Hitlers.

Ronstadt's outspokenness got her into trouble last July, when the management at the Aladdin resort in Las Vegas had security guards escort her from the premises, after she expressed support for Fahrenheit 9/11 filmmaker Michael Moore during her show.

In the USA Today article, Ronstadt said she had no regrets about the Aladdin incident.

It made me look rather good, I think, she said.


I'm not sure if she should be considered 'celebrity,' but decided to put it here. I thought the Hitler comparison was getting tired. Anyone else think this is ridiculous? I thought that 'celebrities' figured out that when they make comments like these, it makes them look completely ignorant.
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Old 11-19-2004, 09:53 PM
Who the hell is Linda Ronstadt?
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Old 11-19-2004, 10:30 PM
Thats what i'd like to know so i did a goggle image search and i yet to answer the question
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Old 11-19-2004, 11:53 PM
Linda Ronstadt's musical achievments include:

Blue Bayou
It's So Easy (To Fall In Love)
That'll Be The Day (Remake of Buddy Holly classic)
Don't Know Much (With Aaron Neville)
What's New (remake)

And a whole list of other obscure hits. She has a good voice, but a bit of an attitude as of late. She is entitled to say what she wants, I guess.

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Old 11-20-2004, 12:14 AM
hey, isn't she the one that sponsered Fahrenhit 9/11 and got kicked out of a night club for it?
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Old 11-20-2004, 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by thedudeman69
hey, isn't she the one that sponsered Fahrenhit 9/11 and got kicked out of a night club for it?

Yep. Apparently, the crowd didn't like her the sound of her tune.


*Bad-dum Tsss*


Thank you, I'll be here all week.
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Old 11-20-2004, 01:03 PM
Bush is a lot of things (inept, stubborn, malopropian, environmentally unfriendly, a flip-flopper, a cowboy, simple, a Coke Monkey, an alcoholic, potentially homophobic, religiously zealous, a draft dodger, a squanderer, a failed businessman), but an evil Nazi? Nah.

She's overreacting.
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Old 11-20-2004, 01:49 PM
Making idiotic exaggerations like this only shows her own stupidity, and really invalidates anything she says about Bush. I also think it trivializes all who suffered due to Hitler's actions.
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Old 11-20-2004, 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by syxxpac
Bush is a lot of things (inept, stubborn, malopropian, environmentally unfriendly, a flip-flopper, a cowboy, simple, a Coke Monkey, an alcoholic, potentially homophobic, religiously zealous, a draft dodger, a squanderer, a failed businessman), but an evil Nazi? Nah.

She's overreacting.
Agreed, but to add to your list of things Bush is:

War hungry,a bad public speaker, a megalomaniac, a liar, lazy, a puppet and above all, the wrong man to be the president of the most powerful country in the world. But he's not Hitler.
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Old 11-20-2004, 02:30 PM
Sigh

Sometimes I wonder how liberals even breathe on their own.

Well, these Democrat celebrities can keep up their ridiculously ignorant statements. It just keeps making them look worse and worse.
Sad but true.
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Old 11-20-2004, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by echo_bravo
Sigh

Sometimes I wonder how liberals even breathe on their own.
Oh well, at least I didn't vote for a bordeline retard who ignored a report handed to him that said "Bin Laden determined to attack the US" 5 weeks BEFORE 9/11, failed to capture him after 9/11 and he's been stated as saying he's lost interest in him. There's massive evidence to suggest that he'll re-instate the draft (seomthing he pissed his pants and avoided during Vietnam) which might mean that alot of people soon won't be breathing in about 4 years.

A note to a good deal of consevatives: you're not fucking perfect. And if you feel to make rash generalizations about like, like how I'm too retarded to breath properly (like the fellow I just quoted) or that I need to be made fun of (a schmoe who'll remain nameless) I will stike back.

I don't like making posts like these, but I won't stand by while people imply that I'm far less intelligent than a man who thinks "misunderestimate" is a word.
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Old 11-20-2004, 04:15 PM
Another liberal-conservative conflict bordering on a flame war, how original.
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Old 11-20-2004, 04:40 PM
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Another liberal-conservative conflict bordering on a flame war, how original.
The irony of that post is that it's the 3rd time you've said something like that.

Seriously thought Jon, what do you expect to accomplish with those posts anyway? Sure, arguments might be childish, but if done right (like in the polictics forum) it can be rather thought provoking. Besides, flame wars between the right an the left are unavoidable sometimes, espcially during these times. I don't see how a dry, sarcastic commecnt while stop that.

Anyway, I agree and I think this thread should be shut down now.
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Old 11-20-2004, 06:25 PM
Well, in any case threads like these dont last long

"Here endeth the lesson" - Sean Connery/The Untouchables
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Old 11-20-2004, 06:33 PM
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Sometimes I wonder how liberals even breathe on their own.

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Old 11-20-2004, 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by MacReady
The irony of that post is that it's the 3rd time you've said something like that.
Finally someone gets my somewhat ironic sense of humor.

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Seriously thought Jon, what do you expect to accomplish with those posts anyway? Sure, arguments might be childish, but if done right (like in the polictics forum) it can be rather thought provoking. Besides, flame wars between the right an the left are unavoidable sometimes, espcially during these times. I don't see how a dry, sarcastic commecnt while stop that.
The only problem is that it never gets thought-provoking at all. The argument is usually wrinse, wash, repeat, a continous circulation of jabs to the left, jabs to the right. The democratic and republican parties have both become jokes these days because of this (oh, how the mighty have fallen), and also because the republican party has become a lapdog for authoritarian Christian fundamentalists, while the democratic party has lost it's balls and can't be aggressive anymore (see the shitty Kerry campaign this year).

Ok, I vented.
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Old 11-20-2004, 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by Jon Lyrik
The only problem is that it never gets thought-provoking at all. The argument is usually wrinse, wash, repeat, a continous circulation of jabs to the left, jabs to the right. The democratic and republican parties have both become jokes these days because of this (oh, how the mighty have fallen), and also because the republican party has become a lapdog for authoritarian Christian fundamentalists, while the democratic party has lost it's balls and can't be aggressive anymore (see the shitty Kerry campaign this year).
True, but I feel your critique mostly applies to the arguements when Michael Moore's name is invoked on the non-politics board (strangely enough his name is rarely mentioned there!). Althought I don't agree with her views Lynn has given some valid ideas at times in the abortion thread. The place is alot like this scene from Pasolini's Salò:

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Old 11-20-2004, 09:00 PM
When I saw Salo mentioned, I thought a picture of a kid being tortured/raped/fed feces was going to pop up.
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Old 11-21-2004, 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Goosey
Making idiotic exaggerations like this only shows her own stupidity, and really invalidates anything she says about Bush. I also think it trivializes all who suffered due to Hitler's actions.
Covers my thoughts pretty accurately. Well said.
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Old 11-21-2004, 07:52 AM
Hitler was a crazy, spiteful, racist madman.
Dubya is a stupid, lying, lazy, ridiculous, slightly homophobic joke.

And Linda Rondstadt should know two things:

a) You need to study history to be able to compare two situations intelligently.
b) You might not need a brain to sing "Blue Bayou", but it does come handy when you're trying to compare something to the greatest tragedy humanity has ever known.

The French liberal rests his case and withdraws before this place turns into a battlefield.
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Old 11-21-2004, 09:57 AM
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They don't know anything about the Iraqis, but they're angry and frustrated in their own lives. It's like Germany, before Hitler took over. The economy was bad and people felt kicked around. They looked for a scapegoat.
I can see the similarities she is making, but Germans of that time were a whole lot worse economically than we are now. The kind of propaganda is also similar (with the wolves, using fear to motivate support in war).

Even though I don't think that we are anywhere close to being as evil as the Nazi party was, I can see several disturbing similarities between the way the two governments worked.
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Old 11-21-2004, 11:16 AM
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They don't know anything about the Iraqis, but they're angry and frustrated in their own lives.
I wonder how many Iraqis Linda Ronstadt has talked to about the war, because every one I have talked to have been supportive of it (although they did question Bushes motives).
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Old 11-22-2004, 07:13 AM
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I wonder how many Iraqis Linda Ronstadt has talked to about the war, because every one I have talked to have been supportive of it (although they did question Bushes motives).
This is not the time or the place, but..

...I don't think Iraqis mind Sadam Hussein being taken out. I think they definitely do mind getting utter chaos and madness instead. Because at least Saddam had order -- for the last year and a half in Iraq, people have been dying and disappearing, be it men, women or children, in a much more unorderly fashion.

And that's just my opinion. Let's not kill this topic with this talk -- if there's a thread in the Politics forum open, though, I'd be more glad to take this there.
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