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10-12-2005, 07:09 PM
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THE ULTIMATE GREATEST RAPPER TOURNEY..... Round 1!
Being on this music board a lot and seeing a bunch of tourneys, I've noticed there areb't any "greatest rapper" tournaments. So, being a huge fan of rap and hip hop, I've decided to start one myself.
Here are the rules: I will post 2 rappers (or a group), and you can vote on whoever you think is better. To be named winner of the match, they must have at least 4 votes. You can not vote more than once in one matchup. Each matchup will consist of artists that have something do with each other. An example would be "Battle of the Atlanta Groups" or "Battle for the West Coast Crown" or something like that. So, if your ready, here is the first match. Go ahead and vote! "Battle of the G Unit Members: NY" (non 50 Cent) Lloyd Banks  Number of Albums: 1 Popular Songs: On Fire, I'm So Fly, Warrior Vs. Tony Yayo  Number of Albums: 1 Popular Songs: So Seducitve, Pimpin, I Know You Don't Love Me ______________________________________________ My Vote goes to LLOYD BANKS. 
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10-12-2005, 07:10 PM
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Banks
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10-13-2005, 03:07 AM
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10-13-2005, 01:12 PM
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Yayo
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10-13-2005, 01:38 PM
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Is there a third "suicide" option that I'm missing?
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#6
10-13-2005, 08:41 PM
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Banks.
I don't really like this method, though. I think you should try something along the lines of March Madness polling.
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#7
10-13-2005, 09:08 PM
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10-14-2005, 02:18 PM
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Banks. It has something to do with brackets, right?
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#9
10-14-2005, 03:20 PM
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One of the main 4 subtracketed brackets would constitue of " new school rappers", and the other 4 subracketed large bracket would be for Old school rappers. Each brackets of the Old school, and New School rappers would be broken into brackets that represent regions of the United States. The 4 main subracket of new school rappers, from the original main bracket of 8, would be broken into 4 sub-brackets, each one representing regions. The regions would be ranked, and the highest ranked region will faced the lowest ranked regions, and so forth. Just like March Madness. Regions - One being; East coast, breaking that sub-bracket into sub-brackets of new school rappers from the 5 boroughs of the NYC; the Midwest, breaking that sub-bracket into one large bracket of rappers from the Midwest, for example, Nelly, Eminem..etc; the South, and the West Coast. After there are champions of the new school from each region, the 4 new- school- rappers from each region would be pitted against each other to find out who is the popular choice for greatest rapper of the new school. After we get done with the new school bracket, then we do the exact same thing for the Old school bracket. When we have a champion for the new school and old school rapper brackets, then we pit the old school champion against the new school champion, and the winner of that is the undisputed greatest rapper. It might sound confusing but it really isn't. What I was thinking of doing , was creating rankings for each rapper based on different categories, but that would take a hell of a long time . I wouldn't mind doing it if I had a helper, but I don't want to get into all of this if people are going to be interested in voting. here is an example, bare in mind I will color it up with pics, like you did, and short summaries of each regions relevance to rap. You would have a bracket looking like this Old school 1.West Coast (all old school west coast rappers,ranked, will be pitted against each other in a march madness method: higest ranked facing the lowest ranked rapper till there is only one left, that one will represent the West Coast old school rappers. ) Example , winner : Tupac 2.East Coast (all old school east coast rappers,ranked, will be pitted against each other in a march madness method: higest ranked facing the lowest ranked rapper till there is only one left, that one will represent the East Coast old school rappers. ) Example , winner : Rakim 3.South ( There aren't many South old school rappers, but they will be represented and will have to face the east coast in the first round, with the West Coast, since they were the most important coast during the old school era, would have a bye, then face the winner of the east coast and south) Example , winner : Andre3000 4. Midwest (not represented during this time period so it's not used, #1 Region gets a bye because of this.) The winners from each region will face each other, now. They will get new ranks based on certain factors that are used to judge a rappers value. Mock Rankings, I'm biased ;p 1. Rakim 2.Tupac 3.Andre3000 Then, Tupac vs Andre- Mock winner: Tupac Then, Tupac vs Rakim- Mock winner: Tupac WINNER OF OLD SCHOOL BRACKET: Tupac Same thing get's done with the New School side, except the Midwest is added and the #1 doesn't get a bye. Last edited by mindkiss69; 10-14-2005 at 03:39 PM..
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10-14-2005, 03:26 PM
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10-14-2005, 03:44 PM
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Ok, hey I added some new things to my prior post, so I guess we begin in comming up with categories that we will use to rank each rapper. So far, I've thought of 2 categories: Succes, which will count for 10 and would be broken into 2 factors. To me one of the two factors that measure a rapper are SUCCESS which gets broken into two subs one being album sales(popularity) and impact that they have made. To me the impact matters more, so I'd give that 70 percent of 10 which is 7, and the album sales would count for 30 percent, which is 3. I'd say that gold, 500,000 units, is the average, or maybe I'm going to far, maybe 250,000 units sold is average for a rapper-- what do you think? So if a rapper is below that sale average per cd, we will give them lower than 1.5, which is the average of 3, for their album sales, popularity part of the Success category.
Then Critical acclaim is the other factor that I came up with. A rappers Critical acclaim is basically just what you know, word of mouth. I've read alot of magazines and I talk to alot of people that listen to rap, so I have a good gauge of a rappers Critical acclaim, I can handle that part. You add up the totals we come up with between those 2 factors, and that's the rappers ranking. We look at each rappers totals and rank them based on who has the higer total. I was thinking about comming up with other categories to judge a rapper, but it seems like going overboard? lol besides it's not like we're being payed for this. Matter of fact, if you want, we can just come up with the rappers rankings just based on what we feel. Let me know, I've already came up with a list of rappers from each borough in NY.
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#12
10-14-2005, 03:48 PM
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Ohh and Old school would be any rapper who's first album has been out for longer than 10 years. So people like Nas and Snoop would fall into that category, since their first albums were in 1994.
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10-14-2005, 04:12 PM
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Here's what I have so far for old school NY (east coast)
We can't include everyone, only the fairly good rappers, Nas Q-Tip Phife Dog LL Cool J Mc Shan (the bridge is over victim, lol) Kool G Rap Big Daddy Kane Rakim Slick Rick Krs One (the bridge is over.. the bridge is over) Sticky Fingaz- from Onyz Big L ( I gotta check if he's old school or not, I know his first album was released in 95, though ) Guru anymore you can think of?
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#14
10-14-2005, 04:39 PM
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Nas & Sticky Fingaz can't be considered old school.
Old School: from rap's inception - 1989/1990 I'm old enough to remember when rap began and what "old school" means. This sounds like a good idea for a thread, but you have to define it better. Nas, Sticky Fingaz, even Biggie to a certain degree aren't old school. When you refer to "old school" rappers in your rhymes, you're not from the "old school". Don't want to confuse things, but this could be a good, long running thread.
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10-14-2005, 05:03 PM
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Well yeah that's just the thing. People seem to get a misconception of what "old school" is. To most people, rappers from the 80's will always be old school while lets say, we get to 2010, people will still be saying they're the old school rappers while rappers like Nas will never be considered old school.
Old school, to me, just means that times have changed since you reigned, or when you began rapping. 10 years is a decade and with each decade comes new trends and ways of doings things. I mean even in 1992, if you were to come down the street with big, puffy hair, you would be considered old school because what your wearing is last decades fad. I think the old school cut off point should be a decade. What do you think?
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#16
10-14-2005, 05:59 PM
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How do you want to begin this? Do you want to ask people who shold be in each category?
Last edited by TheLoveBelow; 10-15-2005 at 11:11 AM..
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#17
10-15-2005, 12:39 AM
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Chuck D (Public Enemy) Flava Flav (Public Enemy) Posdnous (De La Soul) Trugoy (De La Soul) C.L. Smooth (Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth) Mike D (Beastie Boys) Adrock (Beastie Boys) M.C.A (Beastie Boys) Jeru the Damaja Eric Sermon (EPMD) Parrish Smith (EPMD) Kool Keith (Ultramagnetic M.C.s)
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10-15-2005, 12:02 PM
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I've heard the days of Snoop's first album and the sort refered to as "THE GOLDEN AGE OF RAP" and I really stand by that, as that was when rap really started dominating charts.
I think we should, at first, pit these rappers against one another in terms of when they came around --- THEN, start pinning them down to style: Gangsta, dirty south, G-Funk, East Coast, Party rap, etc... I think rap has evolved so much over it's duration that if we started pitting new against old, it would start getting kind of lop-sided, and we'd miss out on rounds with some very influential rappers taking on their modern counter-parts. What do you all think.
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10-15-2005, 02:37 PM
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You know what, I think Bubba might have something there. It's all up to how you guys want to do it, we can do it by old school vs new school, or by styles. The only thing with styles, though, is that alot of the old school rappers didn't have a defined style. You couldn't look at the old Slick Rick and say, "ohh he's this style", so that's the only problem I see with doing it style by style. And Razor, I think we should get one or two more people into this. All of us could compile a list of rappers; come up with rankings for each rappers, with each persons opinion holding 25 % of the total, also if one person has more knowledge of a rapper than another, thus giving them the ability to come up with a more percise rating, then we lower the person, that has less knowledge of the rapper, percentage point then increase the person with more knowledge. I think how we should start is first getting a chat room or a means of communication where we can all come up with how we want to break up each bracket, and come up with categories that we'll use to rank each rapper. One person can come up with the graphics, also.
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#20
10-15-2005, 03:10 PM
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So far we have... flavor flave doesn't really rap, he's more of a hype man, so I took him off, ok?
Argueably old school, east coastl I put a question mark by the people whos era is amiguous. And of course, no more than 32 to each bracket, but I put everyone I could think of that would deserve a consideration, up , so we can eliminate who we feel doesn't belong. RZA? GZA? Raekwon? Ghostface Killah ? Old Dirty Bastard ? Method Man? Inspecta Deck ? U-God? Prodigy ? (first album, juvenile hell came out in 1993 Havoc ? (mobb deep) Nas ? AZ ? Notorious B.I.G ? Q-Tip Phife Dog LL Cool J Mc Shan Kool G Rap Big Daddy Kane Rakim Slick Rick Krs One Sticky Fingaz ? Big L ? Guru (gangstarr, partner of Premier) Chuck D Posdnous (De La Soul) Trugoy (De La Soul) C.L. Smooth (Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth) Mike D (Beastie Boys) Adrock (Beastie Boys) M.C.A (Beastie Boys) Jeru the Damaja Eric Sermon (EPMD) Parrish Smith (EPMD) Kool Keith (Ultramagnetic M.C.s) Queen Latifah MC Lyte old school, west coastl Tupac ? Snoop Dogg ? DOC Ice T Dr.Dre Ice Cube MC Ren Easy- E old school, south Andre ? Scarface Big Boi ? Cee Lo? (goodie mob) New school , east coast Jay-Z Lil Kim Foxy Brown Fabulous Cassidy Jae Millz Joe Budden DMX Jadakiss Styles P Talib Kwalei Mase Camron (dipshits) Juelz Santana (dipshits lol) Cormega Capone Noreaga or N.O.R.E Tradegy Khadafi (affiliated with Capone and Noreaga) LLoyd Banks 50 cent Tony Yayo Young Buck JoJo Pellegrino (Wu-Family) Remedy (Wu-Family) Killah Priest (Wu- Family) Shyheim (Wu-Family) New school , midwest Eminem Royce the 5'9 Obie Trice Nelly Murphy Lee Bizzy Bone (old school, or new school?) Krazy Bone ? Slug? (where is he originally from? ) Apathy ? (ny native, or what?) Beanie Siegel Eve [U]New school , south[U] Mike Jones blah blah blah.. I hate the South, you guys can come up with the rappers from here. [U]New school , west[U] Kurupt Daz Dillinger Xzibit Rass Kass Charli Tuna- Jurassic 5 Last edited by mindkiss69; 10-16-2005 at 03:49 PM..
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10-15-2005, 04:47 PM
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Good List
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10-15-2005, 05:08 PM
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10-15-2005, 05:39 PM
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I'd consider the boys from Bone Thugs part of old school, also. Here are some New School South rappers: Trick Daddy Big Boi Baby (birdman) David Banner Bonecrusher Lil Flip Lil Wayne Lil Jon Killer Mike Mystikal Petey Pablo T.I. Ying Yang Twins Young Buck Youngbloodz
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10-15-2005, 05:41 PM
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The Game for new west...
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10-15-2005, 05:52 PM
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Trick Daddy
Big Boi Baby (birdman) David Banner Bonecrusher Lil Flip Lil Wayne Lil Jon Killer Mike Mystikal Petey Pablo T.I. Ying Yang Twins Young Buck Youngbloodz Yeah, your right about Young Buck, and big boi is part of Outkast so do you think he would be considered old school? also for south, Ludacris. Also, what do you think about what Bubba said? about the pairing it with styles? I gotta go , so get soemone else to work on this with us, and we can start comming up with categories for rankings.
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10-15-2005, 05:56 PM
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Also, I forgot about Eyedae, Mf doom , Immortal Technique and a few others. I'll be back tommorow.
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#27
10-15-2005, 08:48 PM
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How should we begin this?
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10-15-2005, 08:55 PM
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Here are a few add ons to list:
(we might have some of these already) New East Coast Big Pun Fabolous Fat Joe Mobb Deep? (maybe old school) New Midwest Kanye West Common Twista New South Juvenile New West The Game Thats all I can think of now, those are just some guys who need to be on the list... Email me if you need too on this, redman032791@yahoo.com
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10-15-2005, 09:27 PM
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How about adding...
South (old school) Bushwick Bill (Geto Boys) Willie D (Geto Boys) West (old school) M.C. Eight (Compton's Most Wanted) J-Ro (Tha Alcaholiks) E-Swift (Tha Alcaholiks) Tash (Tha Alcaholiks) Del The Funkee Homosapien Fat Lip (Pharcyde) East (old school) Dre (Das Efx) Skoob (Das Efx) Last edited by AJAX; 10-15-2005 at 09:35 PM..
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10-16-2005, 03:47 PM
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All those additions will be considered. Ohh, and also , Redman, and Missy Elliot, if no one has mentioned her, yet.
I think how we should begin is by getting on either Aim or Yahoo Messenger , tommorow and narrowing each list down to 32 rappers per region, if that. For regions that don't have that much, we'll lower it to maybe 16, or an odd number, with the highest ranked rapper getting a bye. Also, tommorow we can start ranking each rapper. I think what you should do today, is to come up with categories that you think we should use to judge rappers, that way tommorow we can begin ranking them and have the whole thing wrapped up and ready for voting on Tuesday.
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#32
10-16-2005, 03:51 PM
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Good idea Mindkiss.
If you need to IM me on AIM, my screen name is Bassboomer20. I'm usually on 7-10 pm.
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10-16-2005, 04:27 PM
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Aiight, well I posted a question about this topic on another site http://www.rapbattles.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241482
, so we should be done with this soon. I won't be able to be on tonight, so what categories do you think should be used to rank each rapper?
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#34
10-16-2005, 06:23 PM
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Best male rapper of the 80's / 90's and so one
Best female rapper .etc. Best rap group Hottest rap album: 80's / 90's/ and so on Something like that?
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#35
10-17-2005, 05:33 PM
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Huh? nah , check it out dude, I have it all figured out. We'll have to eliminate a few people on the old school Ny list, I say we do that side of the bracket first.
I've come up with categories in which we can use to come up with a precise way to rank each rapper. The Categories I came up with are; public outlook, which consist of 2 main categories, Impact (how much your music has affected rap, how much you have influenced others---fans mainly, by your music) Now, that category will account for 40 % of the total votes. The public opinion category will be broken into 3 sub-categories, one being CRITICAL ACCLAIM, the other being, IMPACT, and lastly, ALBUM SALES. Critical Acclaim, which I feel is the category that is the most telling, as far as public outlook of your music goes, will account for 50 % (20 points) of the 40 points. Impact will account for 40 % (16 points) of the public outlook points, and album sales will account for 10 % (4 points). To better come up with a precise score, we have to define what we feel is the normal or half of each categor; that way, we can score above, in the middle, or below, better. As far as critical acclaim goes, I look at the normal being, comming out and getting a equal amount of fair reviews and an equal amount of negative reviews from the press. So, you have to look at the different outlets that judge a rapper--magazines, award shoes, fans, in general, and come up with a percentage point of a possible 100 percent that you feel the rappers acclaim is at. Impact is also the same, but album sales is more tricky. In my opinion--I may be wrong, an average of 350,000 albums sold is the average for rappers. And around 5 million 5,000,000 or more, is the 4 point or the highest amount given. Use your basic math skills to come up with the rating. Now the other category I came up with in order to judge a rapper, is skills. I broke skills into 6 categories 1.Song Writing ability-[10 points] (coherence of verses, ability to stick to the subject at hand, depth of lyrics, etc etc, storytelling skills included) 2.Flow-[10 points] 3.Points made, ability to sell point of view, persona, and lyrics; ability to persuade. [10 points] 4.Cleverness, creativity, originality -[10 points] 5.Battling- [10 points] 6.Charisma- [10 points] 60 points So it's total of 100 points.
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#36
10-17-2005, 05:37 PM
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But it seems like you got it all figured out so I'm with it... How should we begin?
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#37
10-17-2005, 05:50 PM
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Ok, so far I've done rankings for about 6 rappers. You can do your own rankings of these rappers and we'll take the average score of both of our rankings to come up with the rappers final rating. However, if you feel like you don't have that good of knowledge of a rapper, we can just use the rankings from people that are knowledgable about the rapper.
Here are the rankings I've made so far, ohh, and we reduce old-school- Ny to 32 rappers. Nas Public Outlook: Critical Acclaim- 18.6/20 Impact-12.8/16 Album sales- 2.7/4 TOTAL PUBLIC OUTLOOK, OPINION- 34.1/40 Skills: Song Writing-10/10 Flow- 8.9/10 Points made, believability- 9.5/10 Cleverness, Creativity, Originality- 9.65/10 Battling- 10/10 Charisma- 7.7/10 SKILLS- 55.75/60 NAS TOTAL SCORE------ 89.85/100 Big L Skills: songwriting-10/10 flow-10/10 Points made, believability- 10/10 Cleverness, Creativity-10/10 Battling- 10/10 Charisma- 10/10 SKILLS- 10/10 People's opinions, public outlook : Critical acclaim- 18/20 Impact- 13.44/16 Album sales-2/4 PUBLIC OUTLOOK- 33.44/40 BIG L TOTAL SCORE- 93.44/100 That's just a sample, I've done Nas, Jo Jo Pellegrino, Big L, Az, Slick Rick , and I'm working on LL cool J, now. I gotta get at you on mail,also cause there's something I want to add to this thread. Last edited by mindkiss69; 10-17-2005 at 06:02 PM..
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10-17-2005, 05:57 PM
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Redman RZA? GZA? Raekwon? Ghostface Killah ? Old Dirty Bastard ? Method Man? Inspecta Deck ? U-God? Prodigy ? (first album, juvenile hell came out in 1993 Havoc ? (mobb deep) Nas ? AZ ? Notorious B.I.G ? Q-Tip Phife Dog LL Cool J Mc Shan Kool G Rap Big Daddy Kane Rakim Slick Rick Krs One Sticky Fingaz ? Big L ? Guru (gangstarr, partner of Premier) Chuck D Posdnous (De La Soul) Trugoy (De La Soul) C.L. Smooth (Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth) Mike D (Beastie Boys) Adrock (Beastie Boys) M.C.A (Beastie Boys) Jeru the Damaja Eric Sermon (EPMD) Parrish Smith (EPMD) Kool Keith (Ultramagnetic M.C.s) Queen Latifah MC Lyte Dre (Das Efx) Busta Rhymes Last edited by mindkiss69; 10-17-2005 at 06:21 PM..
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10-17-2005, 06:39 PM
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I'm going to do my narrowing down of that list in just a sec, but first i'm going to rate Nas...
Nas (my own ratings) Public Outlook: Critical Acclaim- 18.5/20 Impact-13/16 Album sales- 3/4 TOTAL PUBLIC OUTLOOK, OPINION- 34.5/40 Skills: Song Writing-10/10 Flow- 9.3/10 Points made, believability- 9.5/10 Cleverness, Creativity, Originality- 9.7/10 Battling- 10/10 Charisma- 8.5/10 SKILLS- 56/60 NAS TOTAL SCORE------90.5 /100 I can't do Big L because I don't really know him at all... Soon I will do a little more ratings of rappers
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10-17-2005, 06:42 PM
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Ok good job, so far. I'll tell you what I'm planning on doing to eliminate just what you said about Big L.
This is the list I think should be used. What do you think? Excluded: Parrish Smith, Kool Keith, Queen Latifah, MC Lyte,Posdnous (De La Soul),Trugoy (De La Soul), Inspecta Deck, U-God, M.C.A (Beastie Boys) Included Redman RZA GZA Raekwon Ghostface Killah Old Dirty Bastard Method Man Prodigy Havoc Nas AZ Notorious B.I.G Q-Tip Phife Dog LL Cool J Mc Shan Kool G Rap Big Daddy Kane Rakim Slick Rick Krs One Sticky Fingaz Big L Guru Chuck D C.L. Smooth Mike D (Beastie Boys) Jeru the Damaja Eric Sermon (EPMD) Dre (Das Efx) Busta Rhymes Adrock (Beastie Boys)
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