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02-04-2006, 02:07 AM
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Does "Hostel" remind anyone else of...?
Just out of curiosity, does Hostel remind anyone else of An American Werewolf in Paris? No, of course not the werewolf elements, but the three male leads vacationing through Europe, riding trains, discussing who has scored the most, things like that? Of course, Werewolf by no means contains the rampant gay-bashing that Hostel does, but I just happened to catch it on cable the other night and it seems to be there were definite similarities there. Whether these were intentional or not is beyond me, but I am quite aware that Eli Roth loves to throw little horror homages in his films.
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02-13-2006, 04:24 PM
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Yes, "An American Werewolf in London" (along with the website Harry Knowles discovered) was the primary influence on the film.
Now, maybe I missed something, but where was there gay bashing in "Hostel"?
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02-13-2006, 05:20 PM
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02-13-2006, 07:12 PM
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I see more of an My little Eye influence with regards to Hostel , but i do see your point with the whole American backpacker in danger thing , and some of the lighter situations the group find themselves in .
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02-13-2006, 08:29 PM
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Believe me, the last thing in the world I want to do is start another dispute over this, but the fact of the matter is it's 2006 now, not 1956. This sort of thing is not okay anymore, nor should it be. If it's not okay to use racial/ethnic slurs, it's not okay to use homosexual slurs. Period.
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02-13-2006, 08:32 PM
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02-13-2006, 09:32 PM
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02-14-2006, 09:38 PM
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Jokingly questioning someone's sexuality can be funny, if ultimately done in a way that is not mean-spirited. Any sexual humor, if employed without negative connotations, is perfectly fine. Calling someone a fag is not fine. Using the word "gay" as a negative adjective IS mean-spirited and very wrong. Stop and think about how many times the word "gay" is used in place of "stupid" in your everyday speech, and then reconsider your role in this "pointless" argument. Quote:
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02-15-2006, 06:14 AM
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Christ, if I could kiss you right now, I would.
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02-15-2006, 09:40 AM
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Hostel had similarities with many films for me! Lets see the biggest ones being Eurotrip! The whole thing with them being on a train and the old man that rides along with them is a gay weirdo...
I just find it funny, cause its like Eli Roth is paying homage to Miike films wich is great. But then he goes and infuses his films with these really dumb elements like a bunch of clicheish horny teens looking to get high and laid. Been there done that. That element of the film really brought the movie down for me.
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02-15-2006, 09:19 PM
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03-05-2006, 01:01 PM
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Doesn't really matter in the end anyway though...because the film itself is, well, gay.
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03-05-2006, 01:29 PM
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I can't be the only one who noticed this aspect of the movie. Half of it was a social commentary. And in the end, regardless of what you think, this is how most American teenagers and even I myself speak to each other when hangin' with just a group of friends. It's normal, everday life. You can't try to sugar coat it, it's how we speak. Would you make a movie during the time of American slavery and take out the word "nigger" every time it was used? No you wouldn't, because at that time it was part of everyday speech. Last edited by LordSimen; 03-05-2006 at 01:42 PM..
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#14
03-05-2006, 02:01 PM
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I myself like mature comments on real issues and not people on purpose acting retarded.
 I do not think most of you get the point, nor do I think you are willing to compromise or think about how it might effect another. Just because everyone does it and it is just an everyday thing and it is current, still does not mean it is right and you yourself deciding not to be that way and to stop doing it, is to reflect compassion towards the people it bothers and that would actually make you look like a better person instead of an unfeeling, uneducated person. There is nothing wrong with social etiquette or wearing a rubber.  Now I am not saying I am perfect, but I know there is a time and place for everything. I actually was reminded of part one, simply because one of the backpackers was wearing an orange jacket.
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03-05-2006, 02:07 PM
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Would you make a movie during the time of American slavery and take out the word "nigger" every time it was used? No you wouldn't, because at that time it was part of everyday speech. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, I would and I could and it would still be effective because I would be using slurs but not that one, not the mother of them all. Instead you would be hearing a lot of "Boy" and "colored" comments, (which were also used back then mind you). It worked for "Little House On The Prairie." It is kinder, those words have many meanings. The N word has only one.
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03-05-2006, 02:07 PM
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In the movie the two main characters are american teenagers, and that is how we, the American teenagers, typically speak. Especially boys. What is wrong with the movie being accurate?
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03-05-2006, 02:16 PM
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Mmm no were they not college bound? I think they were old enough not to act like a 16 year old anymore. I get the whole accurate thing, but what is wrong with breaking the mold? I think that either way would still get ticket sales. Last edited by ParileseMonster; 03-05-2006 at 02:19 PM..
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03-05-2006, 02:18 PM
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They were still immature teenage boys on a quest to get laid. We arn't talking about kids heading to Harvard or UCLA, we're talking about guys who probably would come back, go to a JC and then end up having lots of drunking binge parties. Not exactly the most mature creatures in the world. Quote:
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03-05-2006, 02:23 PM
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03-05-2006, 03:12 PM
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Youre exactly right, its fucking 2006. Not 1956. And thats why it ISSSSS ok. Because no matter how ignorant it is, its not bashing. It has been transformed into a double meaning word(s). "Fag" and "gay" are now used as "Stupid", etc. They are not calling out any homosexual individuals or any such shit. Hell, "gay" means happy and "fag" is a cigarette. They have more than a double meaning. Nobody whines that they are being called a "fag"... a harmful substance... Many words have double meanings. And if Eli Roth or any other director out there is going to show what teenagers are like verbally... they might as well do it accurately, and in this day and age, that kind of speak IS accurate. I get your point, but this shit is tired. This is just the first time Ive said something about it.
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#21
03-05-2006, 06:50 PM
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On this issue, it's always the same argument. "It's just the way people talk." Like I've said a million times, just because people talk like this in real life (unfortunately), it doesn't mean it's okay to put this type of dialogue in film. It doesn't mean I should accept it just because so many ignorant, indifferent people do. And just because some of you have gay friends who aren't offended by such language, please don't assume that no gay people are offended. I know plenty of gays who found the dialogue distasteful, so it's not just me.
It's really unfortunate. I thought Hostel did have several decent qualities and would normally be a film I'd own and watch again. However, I just cannot bring myself to support a film that doesn't support me. And on a small sidenote, since so many of you use the these terms and phrases so openly and freely, I hope one day, you're overheard by a group of musclebound gay men who find it just as distasteful as I do and you get asses beat. God knows you deserve it.
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03-05-2006, 06:55 PM
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03-05-2006, 09:48 PM
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Ok Ok.
But wheres your disgust for Crash using NIGGER? Nowhere. Cuz its old news and the word has been accepted. Just be careful who you say it to. Same thing applies here. You might not like it. So what. I want the sun to be green. Its not gonna happen. This is the world we live in. Bashing ELI because he's using words in his films that are, yes offensive, but also yes, realistic, shouldnt be one of his faults. Did we hear this arguement when SHAUN OF THE DEAD used the word GAY a few times. No. Cuz its called a joke. I dont even really care for the guy or his films. But calling HIM a gay basher also calls ME a gay basher - and that pisses me off. Calling someone a cunt doesnt mean you hate pussy. Calling someone a bitch doesnt mean you hate female dogs. ANd calling someone a fag doesnt mean you hate gays and/or cigarettes. This is directed at mother earth -not anyone on these boards.
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03-05-2006, 11:43 PM
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03-05-2006, 11:52 PM
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It's not just a friendly debate. You're all trying to make it out like I'm stupid or immature for being offended by the stuff in this movie. Guess what? Unlike you, I went through childhood as a homosexual and I had to put up with cruel, vicious taunts from my classmates who were under the assumptiont that I was gay before I even came to terms with it. I had to suffer through being called a faggot and a queer and a homo and the rest of the negative terms and phrases used so freely and without a second thought. I have a lot of deep-seeded scarring because of it. No one seems to realize things like this. You all just think they're only words, they shouldn't harm anyone. They DO harm and they harm many. I think you should think long and hard next time your partying with your friends and find something distasteful. Instead of using something so hateful and cruel as "that is so gay," how about acting like a decent, mature human being and choosing your words differently?
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03-06-2006, 12:00 AM
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Actually, it was just a friendly debate. The debate at hand was the use of such words in cinema and film, you brought it to some personal level and then made an open statement about wanting us beaten by big burly men. And I am sorry for you and your childhood- That won't change the way I speak and the way I talk. I never once used the word "gay" or "queer" as a deogatory term towards a homosexual person, in fact I've done my part to diminish the word's meaning more than anything. The more and more you make the terms mean "stupid" the less they mean "homosexual." The words have original meanings, Gay means happy and Queer means Strange. Over time, though people using them in different ways, they came to mean "Homosexual," and those words are now going through a transition now. More and more people are using them as a replacement for "stupid" instead of "homosexual." The same thing has happend over the years with other words. Take "Nigger" for example. While at one point in time it was the most deogratory thing you could ever say to an African American citizen, it is now being used as a replacement for the word "brother" and "friend."
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03-06-2006, 12:49 AM
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Also I have friends who are homosexual and I would never in my right or drunk mind call them gay or the F word because it would bring me unwanted shit and an ending to a friendship I give a damn about. It is all about caring for each other, I do not think of just myself, if I ever were to, I would be feeling all sorts of guilt, guilt in which I myself could not sleep on. I do not care if it is accepted, I even think that people of any color or sexual orientation should not even use words of slander in jest with one another. To do that completely pisses on what they used to fight for, which is equality and acceptance. My whole point, is that you can have a great movie without excessive junk. Last edited by ParileseMonster; 03-06-2006 at 12:57 AM..
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#28
03-06-2006, 01:41 AM
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Not everyone is Homosexual just like not everyone is Black, your point there doesn't make any sense. If you are trying to say that everyone of any race can be homosexual, what's your point? Just like being Black, it's something you are. And yes, you are correct to assume that most likly if you were to call a black person "Nigger" they would kick your ass, this is true. However, while some still consider it offensive, the word is still changing. For example, I can turn on MTV and hear the word "Nigger" or "Nigga," however you want to pronounce it, mentioned many, many times. The word is changing. It hasn't completely changed yet, but it's changing none the less. But this is all going really off topic, the topic here is about the dialogue being mentioned in films. My stance is, don't censor what you can and cannot say in a movie. The moment you start doing that you are going to open up a whole can of worms. You'd be up in arms if they started censoring something that you agree with, but if you don't agree with it it's okay to censor it? A movie isn't television, a movie is something that you know what you're buying before you get it. It says on the rating that it has strong dialogue, intense violence and whatever else you might find offensive. If you can't handle the dialogue, if you can't handle the violence, don't see it. Simple as that. You can have a movie without the dialogue, but then you'd be left with the unrealistic teenage driven horror film we get all the time. You know, the ones where the teenagers have smart, PC dialogue and speak with clever puns to the point where you no longer feel the character is real anymore. I don't know about you, but that's not the type of movie I want when I see a horror movie. I see a horror movie to be scared or creeped out, and those things happen with realism or a sense of realism. The dialogue in the movie felt real to me, even if you disagreed with the way they spoke.
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#29
03-06-2006, 02:18 AM
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I'm sorry, but there are PLENTY of other horror films out there that have realistic teenage dialogue without the gaybashing and without a bunch of 50-cent-words. You don't have to use the word "fag" and say everything is "so gay" just to sound like a real teenager.
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#30
03-06-2006, 02:44 AM
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And come on. The moment we start taking out every bit of dialogue that someone might find offensive we loose realism. So, you find "gay" and "fag" offensive. Okay. What about the kid who finds the term "fat" offensive? Well, now any character in a movie officially can't say the word "fat" because some kid might be offended. Oh no. How about drugs and Alcohol? Some people might find those offensive because they've lost a family member to drug abuse or been beaten my a drunken father. Oh no! We can't have them offended. Seriously, I didn't want to have to resort to an extreme but really think about what you're saying. You are saying if it's offensive to you then it shouldn't be in the movie. What if everybody on earth did that, there would be no dialogue whatsoever. Last edited by LordSimen; 03-06-2006 at 02:52 AM..
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#31
03-06-2006, 02:56 AM
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I seriously don't see the point in this argument anymore. The fact of the matter is, I find this type of language incredibly offensive. You think it's perfectly okay to disrespect the feelings of others. That's fine. You live in your world and I'll live in mine.
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#32
03-06-2006, 08:42 AM
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I can see where Driller_Killer is coming from. I too am turned off by language like that (having grown up gay), but I tolerate it only because people are that arrogant in real life.
I love how "gay" is such a put down nowadays. So...um...how would you put me down? Call me "straight"? Teehee. Just kidding, straight schmoes. ;-)
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#33
03-06-2006, 08:58 AM
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Just want to clear something up , not anyone can be homosexual , because women can't
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03-06-2006, 02:30 PM
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I watched a Hong Kong action film called Time and Tide yesterday and what did I see in it? One person sniping off another person's big toe. How's that for similarities?
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03-06-2006, 09:16 PM
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Ah fuck it, I personally say that offensive words could stand to be cut down. Yeah sure keep talking like that because I am not talking about censorship, I am talking about things that are excessive that do not need to be. It is overkill, I do not want to hear fuck every five seconds or slurs every other word. If it were not overused it would not annoy and everyone could enjoy it, I mean the few times you might hear it I am sure you could still be able to relate. Lets just hope that the credits do not end up being misspelled cause you know that is the trend and my gosh the ticket sales are mostly from teenagers anyway you know. To hell with sharing! Let's all be damn selfish and think only of ourselves!
Ok well, I am done with this topic, I will not be back it is boring me and I feel strangled anyway.
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03-06-2006, 10:49 PM
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I completely understand where you're coming from, and I dont find it immature. Some people see it one way, and some another. But I dont think a few words ruins an entire film. That's where I get defensive.
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03-07-2006, 11:31 AM
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#38
03-10-2006, 07:24 PM
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This thread is getting .... " Gay "
. There i said it .
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#39
03-12-2006, 11:11 PM
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Bah. Maybe this is just another thread that must be shut down.
Always with this arguement these days. Seems to follow Driller Killer around... coincedence? Maybe... probably not.
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03-13-2006, 01:03 AM
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