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[< a c e >]

This is not an argument per-se especially since I haven't seen 'Capote' yet. But it's more of a...well...Rant!







Just a few months back, the world was singing "folsom prison blues" along with other praises for Joaquin 'Leaf' Phoenix. The guy finally got a rock-solid stage to perform in 'Walk the Line'. I don't wanna say much about his performance except...he WAS Johnny Cash. The man was the likely contender to hold the golden statuette even after the nominees were announced. But for the past couple of weeks, after certain award ceremonies, the 'in-all-likelyhood' seat has been occupied by PSH <capote>. He seems to have effortlessly overthrown Phoenix.

Maybe, Hoffman WAS Truman Capote too. But even so, I find it hard to believe that Phoenix would lose out on this. I admit that I haven't seen 'Capote' and that might infact, technically, make this a base-less rant, but well, I've seen a few scenes...and although, Hoffman seemed fine as Capote...I really couldn't imagine him beating Phoenix.

Mr.Phoenix has shown a LOT of range and depth in his character. Happiness, Sadness, Anger, Desperation...everything just seemed so...so...REAL!...He even sang for god's sake and that's no mean task. Infact, I think that's one of the toughest things to do.

I was surfing through the Oscar Prediction thread and my eyes got tired of seeing the number of schmoes supporting PSH. Out of all due respect to Hoffman...I have to say...Phoenix rules.
I'm curious about the "who you think will/should win?" thingy.
I just wanna know how many of you, personally, prefer PSH to JLP or vice-versa.


As for me...my oscar slogan is "GO PHOENIX GO WITHERSPOON".


In all likelyhood, they'll disappoint me this year too.

[BorderEevilIII]

The academy do turn a blinds eye and often toss aside actors for a movie they have done in the past. I have heard and I dunno if its true today that they will thumb their nose on actors that has done SCI-FI themed movies. But like I said this is something I have heard in the past.

well see who gets it SUNDAY

[Trifid]

My friend, although I really liked Joaquin Phoenix and I think he's a worthy candidate to win (as are the rest who are nominated). I think you ought to watch Capote and Philip Seymour Hoffman's performence, in order to get a better grasp on things.

Personally, I think Philip Seymour Hoffman will take home the golden statuette. Something else to consider....Jamie Fox recieved the nod for his potrayal of a singer last year, and that fact might not play in favour of Joaquin Phoenix. Also, Joaquin Phoenix is still very young and as unfair as it may seem that's another thing to consider.

I think it's oscar's intention to honor Joaquin in the form of a nomination and ultimately give the nod to Philip Seymour Hoffman, for not only his brilliant performence in Capote but the consistency with which he performs in every film he does.

But all this "logic" could be flushed down the drain oscar night. We'll see what happens.

[Lazy Boy]

Hoffman deserves to win. He's been a journeyman actor for some time, and it's quite apparent that he's respected by his fellow actors. I would PREFER Terrence Howard to get it, but Hoffman is my runner-up choice in the category, so I'm glad if (when) he wins the Oscar. It's unfortunate to read some people on other message boards (coughOscarwatchcough) slag his performance as mere imitation and insult him in order to build up Heath Ledger.

Phoenix was superb, and in any other year, I would vote for him. It doesn't seem like he's been campaigning all that much, whereas Reese Witherspoon has been making the rounds at every award circuit with her "Aw shucks, I'm just a sweet little thang" routine.

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Originally posted by Trifid
My friend, although I really liked Joaquin Phoenix and I think he's a worthy candidate to win (as are the rest who are nominated). I think you ought to watch Capote and Philip Seymour Hoffman's performence, in order to get a better grasp on things.

Personally, I think Philip Seymour Hoffman will take home the golden statuette. Something else to consider....Jamie Fox recieved the nod for his potrayal of a singer last year, and that fact might not play in favour of Joaquin Phoenix. Also, Joaquin Phoenix is still very young and as unfair as it may seem that's another thing to consider.

I think it's oscar's intention to honor Joaquin in the form of a nomination and ultimately give the nod to Philip Seymour Hoffman, for not only his brilliant performence in Capote but the consistency with which he performs in every film he does.

But all this "logic" could be flushed down the drain oscar night. We'll see what happens.

I totally agree with your suggestion. I know I HAFTA(!!!) watch capote.

But I don't exactly agree with the other 2 points.
"Last year Ray- This year Cash" might infact seem like an issue, but if that's the case it's totally unprofessional and childish...especially at this level.

And about Joaquin being young...Nah! I don't think so.

Consistency is something that both posess.

And hey...umm...I know it's stuff that i can google, but just curious...did/didn't Joaquin get a nom for 'gladiator'?

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Originally posted by Lazy Boy
Hoffman deserves to win. He's been a journeyman actor for some time, and it's quite apparent that he's respected by his fellow actors. I would PREFER Terrence Howard to get it, but Hoffman is my runner-up choice in the category, so I'm glad if (when) he wins the Oscar. It's unfortunate to read some people on other message boards (coughOscarwatchcough) slag his performance as mere imitation and insult him in order to build up Heath Ledger.

Phoenix was superb, and in any other year, I would vote for him. It doesn't seem like he's been campaigning all that much, whereas Reese Witherspoon has been making the rounds at every award circuit with her "Aw shucks, I'm just a sweet little thang" routine.

Hmmm...I haven't really judged it from an Actor v/s Actor point of view.
I've basically compared Joaquin's Johnny Cash with (whatever little I saw of) Hoffman's capote. I think Phoenix had to cope with a lot more elements than Hoffman, and he came out with freakin trippy flying colors.


As for Reese...you know...The things she says are generally stuff that piss (the beer outta) me!!!!! But she's way too adorable!

I love her.

I also love the way she brings up the topic of her daughter(s?) into her interviews.

[AceD]

""Last year Ray- This year Cash" might infact seem like an issue, but if that's the case it's totally unprofessional and childish...especially at this level"

I don't like it either, but it IS an issue. Phoenix was never the front runner, even when the movie came out, because of Foxx and Ray. If it's not PSH (the strongest favorite in a night of unsure things), it'll be Howard in the upset. Phoenix, as has been said, will have to settle for a nomination as the honor.

[RustyRazor]

I think both of these guys are two of the best actors that Hollywood has going right now. I saw "Walk the Line", haven't seen "Capote".

I think it's the age thing.
Joaquin's younger, he'll get many more chances at an Oscar than Hoffman. (Like when Michael Caine beat out Haley Joel Osmont and Michael Clarke Duncan AND THAT NEVER SHOULD'VE HAPPENED...but it did.)

Without seeing Capote, I truly can't say and I am torn.

Can't wait for Oscar night.

[< a c e >]

Originally posted by AceD
""Last year Ray- This year Cash" might infact seem like an issue, but if that's the case it's totally unprofessional and childish...especially at this level"

I don't like it either, but it IS an issue. Phoenix was never the front runner, even when the movie came out, because of Foxx and Ray. If it's not PSH (the strongest favorite in a night of unsure things), it'll be Howard in the upset. Phoenix, as has been said, will have to settle for a nomination as the honor.

Damn! If Terence Howard makes a last minute steal...That is IT! you know??like that is IT!!!...IT!!!!

Hehe...would be fun.

But I gotta differ AceD. I wouldn't say "phoenix was NEVER the front runner". I remember around the pre-nominees-announcing time, Phoenix was a hot favourite. It's a pity that guy doesn't believe in campaigning.

[echo_bravo]

Anyone of these nominees with the exception of Terrance Howard should be deserving of winning the award.

I hate to say it, but the Academy did go out on a limb and get a "token" nominee probably to boost ratings. Yeah its all good money talks.

Hustle & Flow was fucking horrible and should of went straight to BET. Now, I am not saying Terrance Howard sucks. Hell no, cause he will have a great career and he was also the person I liked from Crash.

They should all be happy being nominated, shit its all good fun.

[Trifid]

I don't understand why Terrance Howard is getting such a bad rap. In my humble opinion, he fully deserves to win the award also . The man was simply brilliant in Hustle & Flow.

All the aforementioned nominees are great, but let's not forget about Russel Crowe. He is the australian version of Tom Hanks...in that his performences are never sub par, he simply get's more refined with every film no matter what character he portrays.

[BubbaStrangelove]

Hoffman may be older, but Phoenix has been nominated before.

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Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Hoffman may be older, but Phoenix has been nominated before.

The followoing things are totally irrelevant and I'm just clarifying certain things here because they've been mentioned in posts above-->

Hoffman is 39
Phoenix is 32

Phoenix started his acting career in '82 and as for Hoffman, it's 91.

Again, these should not be considered as I suppose Hoffman had a stint with theatre before entering movies.


I really wish people would compare the characters they portrayed rather than their careers so far.

[Scorpio24]

I haven't seen Capote either but I am looking forward to catching it. But I got to agree with ACE.

Pheonix was mesmerising in Walk The Line. The scene where he had to sing his own music for the first time while auditioning was brilliant. Pheonix acted his ass off and I know that it looks as though Hoffman has to. Maybe i should hold my opinion until I've seen Capote as well. It's just that Hoffman is going to have to go some way to change my opinion on the actor most deserving of the Best Actor award this year.

I also agree with Rusty. I think these two are the best working actors in hollywood today. I'd happily watch any movie with either of these in.

I think Witherspoon has got the Best Actress award sown up.

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Originally posted by Scorpio24
It's just that Hoffman is going to have to go some way to change my opinion on the actor most deserving of the Best Actor award this year.

That's the sentence I was looking for.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Anyone of these nominees with the exception of Terrance Howard should be deserving of winning the award.

I hate to say it, but the Academy did go out on a limb and get a "token" nominee probably to boost ratings. Yeah its all good money talks.

Hustle & Flow was fucking horrible and should of went straight to BET.

!!!!! !!!!!!

HUSTLE & FLOW was masterfully made and amazingly well-acted. Screw Hoffman and Phoenix (two actors that I love) - Howard should get this award, hands down!

He wont... but he should.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by < a c e >
The followoing things are totally irrelevant and I'm just clarifying certain things here because they've been mentioned in posts above-->

Hoffman is 39
Phoenix is 32

Phoenix started his acting career in '82 and as for Hoffman, it's 91.

Again, these should not be considered as I suppose Hoffman had a stint with theatre before entering movies.

I really wish people would compare the characters they portrayed rather than their careers so far.

Well unfortunately the politics of Oscar and strong and perverse. Hoffman's age might also be relevant as well. Usually in the Best Actor category, its the older nominee that ends up taking the gold when you boil it down to just the two strongest contenders.

[< a c e >]

Well...Even if he doesn't win the oscar...he can be glad about the golden schmoes.

http://www.goldenschmoes.com/


Congrats waahkeen!

[BubbaStrangelove]

Originally posted by < a c e >
I really wish people would compare the characters they portrayed rather than their careers so far.

Yeah, I agree - I was just trying to add some balance after the comments about Hoffman having an edge because he's older. IMO, past nominations speak louder than age in the eyes of Academy voters.

[CyclicNightmare]

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[RustyRazor]

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
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I think it's because that's how his name is spelled.

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See?

[Raoul Duke]

I thought that both Hoffman and Phoenix gave amazing performances. I personally think that Hoffman was just a bit better. Although I will be happy if either of them win.

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Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
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I had put single-spaces between letters and 3-spaces between words...but after i clicked submit...everything turned into single-spaces.

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Originally posted by Raoul Duke
I thought that both Hoffman and Phoenix gave amazing performances. I personally think that Hoffman was just a bit better. Although I will be happy if either of them win.

I disagree and I'll tell you why...

This was something that my friend had come up with actually:

There are about 12-13 full songs in 'Walk the Line', but you never get bored with the stage performances. It's entertaining through and through. Why? Because of Reese and Joaquin.
To be singing on the stage and to NOT make anything look monotonous and yet, to stay "in" character is one of the hardest things to do. And HELL they did that alright!!!!

[< a c e >]

The inevitable obvious happened!!!!

Congrats PHS.

It's cool. But this man'll be one of the greatest...< watch this space >

[Scorpio24]

Originally posted by < a c e >
The inevitable obvious happened!!!!

Congrats PHS.

It's cool. But this man'll be one of the greatest...< watch this space >

Yeah i'm with you. As much as the show rocked for me with Crash winning. I was gutted about Pheonix.

Great actor, great performance. Gutted.

Although congratualtions to Hoffman. By all accounts a deserved winner. And a great actor.