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View Poll Results: Jackson = Pederass - Yes or no?
He's a pedophile 44 64.71%
He's innocent 24 35.29%
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  #1  
Old 03-02-2005, 11:52 PM
Do you believe Michael Jackson is a child molester?

Well, it's 2005, so that means it's a whole new year with a whole new Michael Jackson pedophila charge.

I thought we'd take our own JoBlo poll on this and see what the majority of us think. Remember, if you vote no, you have to believe he never touched a child in an inappropriate way for his own sick sexual gratification ever!

So vote now and feel free to also say your what your favorite Michael Jackson song is.

My vote: Yes, I believe he's a pederass.

My favorite Jackson song would probably have to be Dirty Diana.

Last edited by Indiana Sev; 03-03-2005 at 12:03 AM..
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Old 03-03-2005, 04:50 AM

Billie Jean, baby

And yeah, he's tapping those 12 year olds.
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Old 03-03-2005, 06:44 AM
Never Can Say Goodbye (Jacksons) The Way You Make Me Feel (Jackson), and I'll reserve judgement for the time being.
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Old 03-03-2005, 07:26 AM
Innocent till proven guilty
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Old 03-03-2005, 12:36 PM
I cant vote right now. IMO Jackson is still much like a child. I dontthink he ever really matured and grew up like most people do.
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Old 03-03-2005, 01:25 PM
I don't know if he's gulity or not, but I do know that he's a freak.
I wouldn't leave my dog with him much less my child.
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Old 03-03-2005, 03:26 PM
if he aint then he needs taking away by the men in white coats for putting himself in such a position not once but twice.

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Old 03-03-2005, 04:54 PM
I think he's a harmless weirdo. Anyone who would leave their child with this guy is obviously out for something -- no doubt. To me, that's the only obvious fact.

Now as to whether Jackson would cross the line, or not, I agree with the poster who said he is much like a child himself. Do I think he got inappropriate with the kids -- Yes. Do I think he touched or fondled them -- No.

The real question is whether his weirdness will have any long term effects on the kids. To me, that's the parents fault for the comments I made above - end of story for me. What I do know, is that this trial could prove to traumatize the children far more than any weekend in Neverland.

I know I'm not the only one who raises serious doubts about someone who would leave their kid with Jackson to begin with -- unsupervised. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong whether he was a pedophille or not. This is not some neighbor from down the block, or a family member we are talking about. To me, the parents, no matter what, are the real culprits. No one should put their child in such possible risk. It isn't like these allegations just came up, either. I'm all for giving people a second chance, but I'm also against parents who drop their kids off for a weekend at the house of someone who you only know because they have a lot of money, and are famous.

No matter what, I belive the parents are the real criminals.

Also, the fact that more people have accussed Jackson of being a pedophile than commented about it in this thread is a perfect example of the problem with American Justice -- Anyone can throw an allegation, but not everyone can defend themselves from those allegations.

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Old 03-03-2005, 05:08 PM
I think he is a sick individual. He continues his pattern of behavior and he has been caught in multiple lies. This is more than him simply being "different". I believe he has done this many times and that the pattern won't stop until he is forced to face it and rehabilitate. If I'm wrong, fine. But right now, there isn't much proof to the contrary.
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Old 03-03-2005, 05:51 PM
Pedophile, no question. I utterly and completely despise the man.
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Old 03-03-2005, 06:44 PM
I'm currently undecided. My opinion of whether or not he is a child molester will all be based on how legit the evidence is at the trial.
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Old 03-03-2005, 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by jeo4
I think he is a sick individual. He continues his pattern of behavior and he has been caught in multiple lies. This is more than him simply being "different". I believe he has done this many times and that the pattern won't stop until he is forced to face it and rehabilitate. If I'm wrong, fine. But right now, there isn't much proof to the contrary.
I agree with you for the most part, Jeo -- but the last thing: Jackson's entire case is build on the parents trying to exploit money out of him. To me, that seems undisputable, no matter how you look at, or no matter how well-intended the parents were. Jackson is saying he was set-up, and he was. That's the problem here. The only way Jackson will have any chance at getting what ever help he needs is if someone actually approaches him without attempting to get money, or exploit his fame. Sadly though, no one who is all on the up-right has stepped forward. To me, that's the big contrary proof.
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Old 03-04-2005, 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Innocent till proven guilty

I second that.
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Old 03-04-2005, 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Innocent till proven guilty
I guess O.J. is innocent then.

I'm not disputing your opinion, I just think that celebrities with deep pockets can often escape a guilty charge with either a plea bargain or 10.000$ an hour lawyers - it doesn't always mean justice was done.

I suppose my question was geared more towards what many of you believed in your gut, rather than how the legal system works.

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Old 03-04-2005, 01:13 AM
I think the barometer should be: Would you leave your own child alone with him?

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Do I think he got inappropriate with the kids -- Yes. Do I think he touched or fondled them -- No.
What does that even mean?
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Old 03-04-2005, 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by BakeTheMooCow
I think the barometer should be: Would you leave your own child alone with him?
I think that's the perfect way to ask the question, thanks.

I wouldn't even trust this nut with my G.I. Joes.
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Old 03-04-2005, 08:21 AM
Whatever he's doing, it's inappropriate but I don't think he's actually been molesting them.
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Old 03-04-2005, 11:09 AM
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Do I think he got inappropriate with the kids -- Yes. Do I think he touched or fondled them -- No.
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What does that even mean?

You can be inappropriate with someone (dirty talk, exposure to leud material) without actual contact. Coorperations devote entire weekend seminars on this very subject when speaking about harrassment.

In my opinon, Jackson is creepy uncle sick, not derranged catholic priest sick.


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I think the barometer should be: Would you leave your own child alone with him?

I wouldn't want to leave a kid alone with you, Bake, but I hardly think that qualifies you as a child molestor. (I'm exaggerating, but you get where I'm coming from) I don't think that just because someone is grossly inappropriate around children means they are a child molestor.

Corey Feldman stated that Jackson shared x-rated magazines, but was never seen "crossing the line" -- This all depends on where you draw the line. For me -- I would not want a kid exposed to Michael Jackson's shit, but that still doesn't mean that he had sexual/physical contact with the kids. Come on, maybe it's a Southern thing or something -- but surely someone else grew up knowing at least one creepy-ass adult who said and did things that were inappropriate, even if it was a tasteless joke, or off-color comment. You find out who these people are and move on. Why no one moved-on when Jackson was in question is beyond me, but it makes a lot more sense when considering how generous Jackson is with his wealth.

I don't think anyone is appreciating how drastic it is to accuse someone of the things Jackson is being accused of. To me, it's like accusing someone of being a racist only because you know they don't like hip-hop style, and since someone else said they were, it must be true(???). It's a lot to accuse someone. With all the gossip TV and Joan Rivers trite in the world, people don't remember how most people ARE NOT the worst possible scenario. I don't think Jackson has been proven to be the worst possible scenario, and I hope he doesn't It aches me that many of you hope it's proven that he's a pedophile who victimized kids.

My question is: Why isn't anyone focusing hatred toward the parents of the "accuser"

To me, the better point that no one is addressing is: Would you want to leave your kid alone with the parents who left their kid alone with Michael Jackson? You know, I think it's very safe to say that any parent who would do this is OUT FOR SOMETHING. How can you people not admit this? Oh, do you think it's normal to send your kid off with that weirdo? Come on - he's a total stranger to these people.

Let's look at motive:

The parents of the accuser were clearly around Jackson because they were looking for something in return -- There is a motive.

Jackson's aliby? Well, why would he seek out sick kids who are in trouble and have families around him? If he was really like you people say he is -- Wouldn't it be much easier for him to tap into the child slavery market?? I mean, how many GUILTY people go on public TV and admit everything that makes them look guilty? I can't think of too many. However, Jackson has verified much more than anyone needed to know. It is not in the profile of a criminal of this type to be so open about being such a weirdo. Gacy had excuses, Herman had excuses, Jones had excuses -- Jackson said he really likes little kids. One of these things ain't like the mutherfuckin others, and don't tell me Jackson is especially weird, because compared to Reubins and Jeffry Jones, Jackson is like Tom Hanks.

Put you hatred for Jackson aside, man. For one moment stop and examine both sides, and not just the one side that seems easiest to sum up.

Either way, for me, when trying to decide who would be better left with a kid: Jackson or the parent -- the answer is NO on both counts. All parties involved need to be sent to M-A-Double-R-S.

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Old 03-04-2005, 04:43 PM
I don't know all the facts, so all I can do is speculate. I have a sneaking suspicion that Jackson is guilty.

Oh, and "Smooth Criminal."
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Old 03-04-2005, 05:43 PM
firssst year psych rearrrs its ugly head!

I dont know whether he's a criminal, but I'm very sympathetic to the fact that Jackson probably has serrious, serious emotional problems.

Listen to the man for eight seconds and its clear that he suffers from paraphilic adolescentilism - the propensity to identify with and imitate adolescent and prepubertal bahavior.

Like.. that's CRAZYYYYY-ASS fucking SHITE.
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Old 03-04-2005, 07:42 PM
I voted "yes," but even if he's not; he's got some serious issues involving children.
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Old 03-04-2005, 08:20 PM
Pederass indeed.
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Old 03-04-2005, 09:48 PM
If the glove fits you must acquit!

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Old 03-04-2005, 10:01 PM
I think he did it in 93, but now I think the parents of these kids just coming out are trying to make money.
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Old 03-05-2005, 09:01 AM
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Anyone who would leave their child with this guy is obviously out for something -- no doubt.
100% agree with this. You don't leave your kid unsupervised with an accused paedophile under any circumstances. Although I find the parents using their children as bait for money abhorent; I don't know if I think Jackson was is innocent or not I'll probably make my mind up when the evidence is presented.
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Old 03-06-2005, 01:02 PM
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Old 03-06-2005, 01:29 PM

It seems I'm in the minority. I dont beleive it myself.

Its not cause I'm a huge Michael Jackson fan (I'm not) I just feel he believes he is a child. The guy never had a childhood growing up thanks to his mega fame and controlling Dad. He does need mental help and fast.
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Old 03-06-2005, 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Indiana Sev
I guess O.J. is innocent then.

I'm not disputing your opinion, I just think that celebrities with deep pockets can often escape a guilty charge with either a plea bargain or 10.000$ an hour lawyers - it doesn't always mean justice was done.

I suppose my question was geared more towards what many of you believed in your gut, rather than how the legal system works.
If justice was what these people wanted, they wouldn't accept a monetary settlement.

If you want justice, then you should fight for justice, not an increase in your wallet.

So when I see celebrities cashing out of their problems, I don't see them avoiding guilt, I see the other side, who was so traumatized and wanted justice done so much that they are willing to overlook 'what happened to them' simply because they received an increase in their bank account.

If my step-daughter was raped by a billionaire, do you think I would let that fuck sway me with a multi million dollar settlement? Take his billion dollar ass to prison so he can't rape any more little girls. Let's not set up a black market for rape claims. ("Three million? That's it? Come on Anthony, you know the going rate is five...")

If the regular trial by jury process doesn't work, then do what Ronald Goldman's father did and hit the civil courts. I can understand that method, but not this underhanded tactic of "Give me two million dollars and we'll call the whole thing off, Jacko!"

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Old 03-06-2005, 06:02 PM
Well, I believe he HAS molested a child (or children) in the past. Due to the massive payouts the families of the supposedly molested recieved, more people are chiming in and saying they were molested.
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Old 03-06-2005, 06:28 PM
Fucking 8 year olds, Dude.....

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Old 03-09-2005, 05:39 PM
Wow - That brings up an intriquing image of Jackson going door-to-door.

Can't you just picture that glove knocking on a door?

Only catch is that he's a fucking weirdo who lives in Neverland. So, it would be him going to like the monkeys tree house, and over to the llama tent, and by the elephants - (in jackson's voice) "Hi, Mr. Elephant. I am you neighbor and I was convicted for a VERY terrible thing. Can I ride you around Mr. Elephant while I provide to you full disclosure of my crimes against society." Then he's riding an elephant and telling the elephant about his charges. Wow. This is another one of those posts that makes me uncomfortable, but would make me even more uncomfortable if I didn't just let it out. Sorry, man.
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Old 03-09-2005, 07:47 PM
I voted no. I don't buy it. Maybe the trial and everything around it'll change my mind, but I don't buy it as of yet.

I do think the man is a freak. A HUGE freak. But I believe he's just an overblown case of Peter Pan syndrome -- he thinks as a child, he behaves as a child, and most of his reflections and emotional reactions are on the level of a child's. He sees inviting kids to his room as a sleepover, not a gangbang.

Of course, I could be wrong. I mean, such a situation could degenerate into sexual abuse, be it deliberately harmful (the "come to papa, kid" taking advantage thing) or not (some people in the same mindset as Jackson apparently might feel like it's all an exploration of sexuality, like some kids share when they're between ages 10 and 15). In both cases, it'd be sick, but I still don't buy it as of yet. I could be wrong, and if they can prove I am, or change my mind, I'll admit it and change my mind.

But so far it doesn't feel like it fits. He's a nutjob, but not in such a harmful way to innocent kids he seems to want to share so much with, especially their innocence. He needs help. Fast. But that doesn't make him a pedophile.

On the current case going on...I don't buy that one at all. Not just based on me believing Jacko's not a pedophile, but the case just doesn't hold to me. So far it seems all the prosecution has is statements and claims from members of the Arvizo family, and they all seem to be liars out for a paycheck. Besides, like Bubba put it, no one in their right mind would leave an unsupervised kid with a guy who's been accused of pedophilia several times before. Especially if that guy is as fucking weird as Michael Jackson (still love the music, though).
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Old 03-10-2005, 04:44 PM
It's too early to say if he is or not......
But for argument sake I am gonna lean towards no.....
why? The brother who Jackson supposedly molested his credibility is VERY questionable and what he supposedly said and not said isn't consistent...
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Old 03-15-2005, 06:41 PM
At this point, with the porn and all, I'm thinking something probably went down (no naughty pun intented). I was on the fence for awhile due to the fact that he's just so nutty, and that just made it too damn easy to believe he is guilty.

Oh, and my favorite tune is "Rock With You" from Off the Wall.

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Old 03-15-2005, 07:32 PM
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I wouldn't even trust this nut with my G.I. Joes.
Yeah, your trusty Roadblock figure would come back to you looking like Cheetara from the Thundercats:

Roadblock before his visit to Neverland Ranch:



Roadblock after his visit:



And what a coincidence, there is now a little one by his side.

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Old 03-15-2005, 10:34 PM
Well, I've never seen him and a child molester in the same room before. I find that verrrryy odd. Let's just leave it at that.
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Old 03-16-2005, 11:24 AM
i think he is a child molester, but....

even if he is not, lock him up. He is just too bizarre and it isn't like he is contributing anything to the music world these days. I'm sure he'll enjoy prison
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Old 03-16-2005, 03:19 PM
of the current case, at first i did (i think he was guilty of the early 90's charges, if he wasnt why did he pay an out of court settlement of something like 20 mil?) but the more i hear about this case, the less i think he is guilty, the witness stories keep changing and the kids mother has lied and tried to get money off people before etc
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Old 03-17-2005, 12:35 PM

Well this was an intriguing turn of events:

Neverland Ranch Investigators Discover Corpse Of Real Michael Jackson
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Old 03-18-2005, 08:03 PM

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Well this was an intriguing turn of events:

Neverland Ranch Investigators Discover Corpse Of Real Michael Jackson


I love The Onion.
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