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Old 07-30-2012, 04:56 AM
Why Is There A Lack Of Manly American Actors?

something i have noticed alot lately is that the american actors in this day and age seem to lack that mature manliness of the past and a big reason why super hero roles are going to british/aussie,etc. actors

it seems the most tough manly actors are non american

Fassbender


Bale


Hardy


Hemsworth


Butler


Cavill


while most american actors are pretty much pretty boys like :

Dicaprio
Franco
Levitt
Gyllenhaal
Pine
Reynolds - Canadian but raised in states
Gosling - same as Reynolds
Tatum
Kitsch
Hammer

long gone are the days of american actors like - Eastwood,Reeve,McQueen,Newman,Brando,etc.

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Old 07-30-2012, 05:07 AM
there.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:43 AM
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:52 AM
Pfft.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:54 AM
^^^
lol Hamm is definitely a manly man.

I do agree to an extent with the OP that there are few manly American actors though. We have guys like Shia Lebeouf and Zac Efron. Shia Lebeouf is a bitch and I'm sick of Hollywood shoving him down our throats.

I've been campaigning on here for awhile that Anthony Mackie should be the next Will Smith. He is a man's man and a damn good actor. If they reboot Spawn or get the Black Panther movie going, he is my first choice.

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Old 07-30-2012, 10:56 AM
I'd also say that Jeremy Renner is a manly actor(born & raised in Cali). Looking forward to The Bourne Legacy.
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Old 07-30-2012, 11:02 AM
lol @ people who use words like "manly" non-ironically.
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Old 07-30-2012, 12:36 PM
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I've been campaigning on here for awhile that Anthony Mackie should be the next Will Smith. He is a man's man and a damn good actor. If they reboot Spawn or get the Black Panther movie going, he is my first choice.

I'd rather he be utilized for great parts he's capable of delivering in than sleepwalk through easy, boring parts relying just on charisma like Smith, but Mackie has already played Black Panther and well in a movie called Night Catches Us. Check it out if you haven't seen it.

I'm pretty much with Squid otherwise. These threads pop up every few years with the same complaint that, like, Sylvester Stallone and Lee Marvin aren't stars anymore. Sure, I can't buy someone like Shia LaBeouaiyf in a tough guy role, but that's because he has limited range, not because he lacks sufficient chest hair or something. Who gives a fuck what country an actor is from either?

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Old 07-30-2012, 01:50 PM
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I'm pretty much with Squid otherwise. These threads pop up every few years with the same complaint that, like, Sylvester Stallone and Lee Marvin aren't stars anymore. Sure, I can't buy someone like Shia LaBeouaif in a tough guy role, but that's because he has limited range, not because he lacks sufficient chest hair or something. Who gives a fuck what country an actor is from either?
I agree with QUENTIN agreeing with Squid.

The thing is that when these complaints pop up, they always reference actors from another era. And the real fact of the matter is that gender roles in pop culture have changed dramatically over the past 20-30 years. Personally I cite Pee-Wee Herman as being the pioneer of all this, although Johnny Depp will take credit. A lot of musicians from the 70s will get upset by all this, however.

One thing is, you can look at someone like Stallone and go on about how "manly" he is, but you can also find a scene of him in short-shorts dancing with Carl Weathers on a beach with the camera in soft focus.

Times change and these complaints are more about eras of days gone by than they are about "manliness."

<insert that picture of John Wayne off-set, looking like he just got Queer-Eyed>
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:13 PM
You forgot Daniel Craig in your non american list.

The Rock should be that guy. But he hasn't fully embraced that role.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:59 PM
At this point, I don't care where an actor is from.

We can all agree that Christian Bale was great as Batman. Would that trilogy have been any better if an American played that role? I find it hard to care, personally.
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:24 PM
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The thing is that when these complaints pop up, they always reference actors from another era. And the real fact of the matter is that gender roles in pop culture have changed dramatically over the past 20-30 years. Personally I cite Pee-Wee Herman as being the pioneer of all this, although Johnny Depp will take credit. A lot of musicians from the 70s will get upset by all this, however.
I actually think it goes back farther than that. The thing is, when the 70's came around you had actors like Dustin Hoffman, Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, among others, where they allowed themselves to be vulnerable and emotional in their performances and that became the big thing with acting. Marlon Brando was definitely the one who started that. These actors could be tough, sure, but instead of coming out of the movie thinking how badass those guys were, you realized how tortured a lot of those characters were.

So that means the Steve McQueen's, Charles Bronson's, Lee Marvin's were on their way out, although Marvin did have another great film with The Big Red One later on and Charles Bronson had a nice role in The Indian Runner. I'm not saying these guys are bad actors. They are actually among the actors I love watching the most, adding Burt Lancaster as one of my favs. They just didn't come from the same school of acting and I think that contributed as well.

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Old 07-30-2012, 08:16 PM
not talking about guys like Stallone lol

all the british actors i named above aren't action stars or Stallone or arnold and are very wide ranged actors

guys liek bale,hardy,fassbender can be tough bad asses but also be very emotional

alot of american actors are very boyish in features where british actors just see more naturally tough

hell daniel craig is another one
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Old 07-30-2012, 08:25 PM
I think in general foreign English speaking actors have a better shot at a big acting career because most American actors suck at foreign accents. Hollywood today is mostly attracted to the anti-norm. Effeminate American acting roles and most of the rest of the roles go to foreign actors.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:05 PM
Brad Pitt
George Clooney
Matt Damon
Jeremy Renner
Chris Evans (if Chris Hemsworth qualifies)
Mark Wahlberg
Ryan Gosling
Aaron Eckhart
Josh Brolin
Sean Penn
Thomas Jane
Bradley Cooper (if Gerard Butler counts)

Basically, I don't think it's an American thing. Fassbender and Hardy happen to be probably the two most popular young actors. Both hapen to be British, which a great deal of fantastic actors are, not that surprising.
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Old 07-30-2012, 11:47 PM
^everyone of those guys are older

guys like hardy,bale,fassbender,etc. are not even 40 yet and hemsworth and cavill are not even 30

long gone are the days of american actors like mcqueen and eastwood

a big lack of a mans man these days

lot of american actors are too clean cut

hell daniel craig was only 34-35 during casino royale another British actor who does'nt look like a pretty boy
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:06 AM
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I actually think it goes back farther than that. The thing is, when the 70's came around you had actors like Dustin Hoffman, Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, among others, where they allowed themselves to be vulnerable and emotional in their performances and that became the big thing with acting. Marlon Brando was definitely the one who started that. These actors could be tough, sure, but instead of coming out of the movie thinking how badass those guys were, you realized how tortured a lot of those characters were.

So that means the Steve McQueen's, Charles Bronson's, Lee Marvin's were on their way out, although Marvin did have another great film with The Big Red One later on and Charles Bronson had a nice role in The Indian Runner. I'm not saying these guys are bad actors. They are actually among the actors I love watching the most, adding Burt Lancaster as one of my favs. They just didn't come from the same school of acting and I think that contributed as well.

Good call. I definitely think all of this has to do more with the changing of gender roles in America and maybe also the complexity of character in film.

Another part is that the OP is referencing films from an era where there weren't the array of genres we have today. Adrien Brody is an actor who comes to mind, his role in Predators, but the fact is that he's better known for indies and dramas. He's a bit old, I guess, but there's also Benjamin Walker who played Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, but he's also probably more known for dramatic work.

There's also that I don't think studios are as willing as they used to be to allow an actor to breakout in a big action movie and tend to go with box office draws. That may be why there's so many people like the Walbergs, Downey Jrs, Brodys and the sort who find their first big action roles later in their careers.

The thing about this topic though, is that we are essentially critiquing the way guys should and shouldn't look under the guise of manliness. It's really ironic.
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:24 AM
The Rock could kick the shit out of all of them.... isn't he american? American Samoa maybe? But certainly doesnt speak with an accent!

Vin Diesel as well!

As for Anthony Mackie.. he has quickly climbed to become one of my favorite actors... when I see him in movies it makes that movie all that better just knowing he is in it! He will have an Oscar one day.
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:40 AM
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Good call. I definitely think all of this has to do more with the changing of gender roles in America and maybe also the complexity of character in film.

Another part is that the OP is referencing films from an era where there weren't the array of genres we have today. Adrien Brody is an actor who comes to mind, his role in Predators, but the fact is that he's better known for indies and dramas. He's a bit old, I guess, but there's also Benjamin Walker who played Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, but he's also probably more known for dramatic work.

There's also that I don't think studios are as willing as they used to be to allow an actor to breakout in a big action movie and tend to go with box office draws. That may be why there's so many people like the Walbergs, Downey Jrs, Brodys and the sort who find their first big action roles later in their careers.

The thing about this topic though, is that we are essentially critiquing the way guys should and shouldn't look under the guise of manliness. It's really ironic.
not saying those guys aren't men just not the man's man of old that we are lacking today like the following

Harrison Ford


Clint Eastwood


Bruce Willis


Steve McQueen


but when we look at today we have

Dicaprio


Tatum


Gyllenhaal


JGL


when you compare today's america actors to non american guys like bale,fassbender,hemsworth,jackman,butler,etc. i think we know who the more manly actors are coming from

and it is not the states
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:58 AM
I'm really not following your criteria here. All I'm getting is that you think one group of guys might look better in a dress and another group of guys looks like they might better protect you. I think you are just goofing with all of this.
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:46 PM
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not saying those guys aren't men just not the man's man of old that we are lacking today like the following

Harrison Ford


Clint Eastwood


Bruce Willis


Steve McQueen


but when we look at today we have

Dicaprio


Tatum


Gyllenhaal


JGL


when you compare today's america actors to non american guys like bale,fassbender,hemsworth,jackman,butler,etc. i think we know who the more manly actors are coming from

and it is not the states
Republicans vs. Democrats?

Pretty much all the 80's action stars are republicans I believe. Arnie, Sly, Chuck, Russell, Willis and those type of guys. Most american male actors seem to be liberals now. Pretty sure Eastwood is Republican leaning also. I wonder if this has something to do with it.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:05 PM
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this guy yet.

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Old 07-31-2012, 09:50 PM
All I know is that a lot of my favorite movie star actors are in their 40's-late 50's/early 60's.

Guys like Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington, Liam Neeson, Russell Crowe, Tom Hanks, Hugh Jackman Clive Owen, Bruce Willis, etc.

Even Matt Damon is in his early 40's and Ben Affleck turns 40 next month.

Christian Bale is still in his 30's and he's up there too. And I am a huge fan of Jake Gyllenhaal. I actually don't think he's a pretty boy. He's proven to be pretty badass in movies like Source Code.

Dwayne Johnson is up there too and he just recently turned 40.

So, yeah. I can't really think of anyone who I'm a huge fan of in their 20's.

Chris Hemsworth is still in his 20's and he's proven himself to be pretty badass so there is him. Can't think of anyone else though.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:27 AM
What about Josh Brolin? People tend to forget about him.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:36 AM
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What about Josh Brolin? People tend to forget about him.
You mean like his dad?
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:55 AM
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You mean like his dad?
His dad was a bad actor.
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Old 08-01-2012, 01:21 AM
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His dad was a bad actor.
I'm sure this is true, but even then, for a while Josh looked like he was going to end up like his dad, being known as arm candy next to their much more famous wives.

Josh Brolin has been pretty great, especially recently, but he's not really a star like the previously mentioned fellas are. His leading roles in films haven't fared as well as his supporting turns. He's not going to be the first person to come up in discussions like these.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:23 PM

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What about Josh Brolin? People tend to forget about him.
Completely forgot about him. Great call right there.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:27 PM
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I'd rather he be utilized for great parts he's capable of delivering in than sleepwalk through easy, boring parts relying just on charisma like Smith, but Mackie has already played Black Panther and well in a movie called Night Catches Us. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
Ha great call there. Night Catches Us has been on my watchlist for awhile now so I'll definitely be checking it out soon.

My biggest thing with Anthony Mackie is that he should be a leading man. Not some sidekick to Captain America or anything like that. His potential is huge.
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:00 PM
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Mackie has already played Black Panther and well in a movie called Night Catches Us. Check it out if you haven't seen it.
Yes, yes, yes! This 1000 times, yes.

Cruise should be co-headlining The Pussy List with DiCaprio but Gyllenhaal and Gosling DO NOT belong on that list. Neither guy is exactly Neville Brand but they're both leagues above twats like Gordon Levitt and Lebouf.

As for the Republican-Democrat thing, I agree that most of the '80's guys were Republicans but a ton of earlier capital M Men (Newman, Douglas, Lancaster, Poitier, Redford) were not.
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:05 PM
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I'm sure this is true, but even then, for a while Josh looked like he was going to end up like his dad, being known as arm candy next to their much more famous wives.

Josh Brolin has been pretty great, especially recently, but he's not really a star like the previously mentioned fellas are. His leading roles in films haven't fared as well as his supporting turns. He's not going to be the first person to come up in discussions like these.
Christian Bale wouldn't be considered a star if he hadn't got cast as Batman. Josh hasn't landed a role to put him on the map as a lead actor, and he might not ever land that role. But he is a good actor just the same.

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Old 08-01-2012, 06:08 PM
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Yes, yes, yes! This 1000 times, yes.

Gordon Levitt and Lebouf.

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I'll tone that down and say that I don't think these two guys compare.

JGL is a brooding actor like Christian Bale... He seemingly doesn't have the charisma of an A list movie star, but he has his style and he tries and always seems to have a good understanding of what he is trying to do. Shia on the other hand... I'm not sure I've ever seen him really give effort. He tries to get by with a bland action star appeal.

I guess JGL isn't for everybody, but his style and effort level is way different than Shia's.

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Old 08-01-2012, 06:09 PM
I think this thread is FABULOUS!

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Old 08-01-2012, 11:09 PM
I was about to say this thread is pretty silly, but Davey put it SO much better.
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:20 PM
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I'll tone that down and say that I don't think these two guys compare.
They're both pencil neck geeks.
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:47 PM
Another actor I want to throw out there is Michael Shannon.

He actually reminds of Steve McQueen in looks and he was the best thing about the awful Let's Go To Prison, where he was a bad motherfucker.
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Old 08-02-2012, 05:31 PM
If only they made a movie with all the manliest action stars in hollywood playing a gang of mercenaries taking out a bunch of baddies 80's action movie style.
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Old 08-02-2012, 05:46 PM
Just to clarify, I'm surely not the only one who thinks of this scene every time they see this threadů

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Old 08-02-2012, 11:33 PM
"Goodbye, Mr. LeBouf! The revolution is over! The wimps lost!"
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:09 AM
"... that and a pair of testicles."
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