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04-17-2002, 07:21 PM
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take a look
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04-17-2002, 07:27 PM
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isnt that bull shit?
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#4
04-17-2002, 07:35 PM
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I think the schmoettes should check that out.
They'll have quite a laugh at it, I think.
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#5
04-17-2002, 09:20 PM
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That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read in my life. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.
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#6
04-17-2002, 09:25 PM
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the witch must die! After I see her naked, lol.
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#7
04-18-2002, 06:12 AM
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Fair play. I myself actually found that quite interesting and worth reading. She wasn't being Butchfem-Bible-bashy 'bout it but IMO was making a well argued point restrained to factual-based analysis, keeping all superfluous emotions at bay.
What fucks me off is when people spout psychotic shit about the horror genre when they haven't a clue what they're talkin 'bout. K so she spelt Freddy Kruegar wrong (or is it Krueger? :-S) but I wont hold that against her. I got something I can hold against her tho and she can get her tongue tied around it any way she likes.
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#8
05-05-2002, 03:42 PM
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#9
05-07-2002, 01:48 PM
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BUMP.
Bringing it back up for Badgirl. I think you'll get a kick out of this, hun.
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#10
05-07-2002, 02:05 PM
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Well I hate critics anyway basicly a group of self serveing mean minded snobs who think they can judge films better than anyone else(I learnt this in my A-level media studies).
She may have a deep vocab and be able to arrange sentences but that doesn't ecsape the fact that she has a restricted view. From what I read it seems that she is only commenting on slasher films. THE RING for instance no sex,no nudity,not even a sexual theme. Also this is the most frightening piece of film I have seen in a long time and it manages to disprove many of the foremention writers points.
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#11
05-07-2002, 02:48 PM
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Hey if people like to go around and spot little sexual "themes" that weren't even put in the film to be viewed that way then they are the ones with the problem. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.
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#12
05-07-2002, 07:29 PM
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Good look out Romeo, this is so up my alley.
Since no one here seems to agree with the article, i will be the first to say that i agree with nearly everything. I am a psychology/sociology degree and am a devoted Freudian disciple, and i firmly believe that the reason that horror tittilates us so is undoubtedly due to the implicit sexual element. Let me give everyone here a great example. Nightmare on Elm Street: Nancy is in the bath, legs spread eagle, dozing off, and the infamous glove comes up through her legs and almost down on her... (yeah, you get what i am referring to). More so, how can anyone explain how sex and horror movies are linked? There is absolutely more sex and gratitutious nudity in horror movies than ANY OTHER GENRE (unless the movie itself is about sex, i.e. Fatal Attraction). Does this seem an odd pairing to anyone else? The only point of contention for me is her/his issue with the intentional usage of he phallic symbol (the empire state building for example) because most objects take the form of a phallic representation (certainly all tall buildings do) so i don't put quite so much merritt into that paricular point. You people all need to get in touch with your unconscious, what really turns you on because you might be surprised...
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#13
05-08-2002, 12:00 PM
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You are still only talking about one aspect of horror slashers and explortion horror. Yes you have have a degree but it seems that your frued deveotion and has blindsided you to other reasons why horror attracts people. Next time learn about the actuel genre you seem determined to plant sexuality into ever horror aspect.
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05-08-2002, 02:36 PM
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I agree with quite a bit of what she said. But the one major point that she just doesn't seem to get is that ALL films use sex as a tool by which to sell tickets. The Horror genre is hardly exclusive to that. What about films like Eyes Wide Shut or the Cook, the Thief, the Wife and her Lover? Hell, even 2001: A space odyssey falls into her paradigm. The astronauts fly around in a ship that looks like a big penis.
Or take any cop movie for example. Every single one of them is replete with male posturing and sexual innuendos. So while I can see where she's coming from, I don't think its really fair or accurate to point the finger at merely one genre.
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#16
05-08-2002, 02:42 PM
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well i just read the article and i'm a guy and i have to say that i agree with alot of what it says,sexuality and horror are definetly intertwined,and that is what draws alot of people in. i also think the article is being greatly misinterpreted,i think she was just pointing out the links between sexuality and horror(which has been done a million times) not really condemning them. although i agree witht he article i think that there is times when people over-analyze a film,and get too deep into something that didn't have the thought put into making it as the thought into analyzing it.(did that sentence make sense)
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#17
05-10-2002, 03:06 PM
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Anyway if your are going to isolate one aspect of horror where sexuality is thriving then it is no surprise that you find. In this case slashers were studyied as any one who watches even a small amount of slasher films know that sex are an integrel part of the film sub-genre. The real problem I have with what had been written was the closed minedness of the writer. There was no mention of horror masterpieces like: THE RING THE THING THREADS Just three of favaourite films of horror that sex just dosen't and can't work it's way into. I did not mean to make you think that I thoght you knew nothing of horror just wanted to question the foundations of your theorys.
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#18
05-10-2002, 03:33 PM
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Easy there killers...no need to get so defensive about this article. She wasn't even really implying that the relationship between sexuality and horror movies is a negative one...just that it exists. And I agree with her. I have a psych background myself, and I have to say that sex and violence are almost always related in everything. ESPECIALLY in the lives of real-life serial killers. Most often it's extreme abuse, or forms of extreme pornography that desensitize and objectify, thereby causing murder and rape.
I know for a fact that in most giallos, sex plays a huge role. I mean, anything from Argento has underlying (sometimes overlying) sexual symbolism and erotic themes. And you'd be hard-pressed to find a classic "black-gloved killer" movie that doesn't feature a certain amount of sensuality in it's imagery. These are at the root of a lot of the slasher films of the 80s and 90s, so naturally that might come through. For anyone to say that sexual dominance and misogynistic abuse do not play a small role in the "Nightmare" or "Scream" series is kind of foolhardy, because look at Craven's beginnings and you have some of the more sexually explicit and graphically "woman-hating" films of the seventies (ie Last House on the Left and The Hills have Eyes) So I'd be inclined to think that some sexual imagery in a Craven film just goes without saying. Directors have a lot more going on in their heads than most of the audience does. So don't be so quick to poo poo this woman..obviously she's citing more well-known icons in horror, and not a lot of the more classic or artsy stuff, but she's making somewhat valid points. Open your minds and see some of them!
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