#2161  
Old 02-07-2007, 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
Would you care to make a case for that opinion?

I wouldn't count on it, reason and logic aren't his style.
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Old 02-09-2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by RicochetShaw
I wouldn't count on it, reason and logic aren't his style.
The Art Munk HOF argument is too long for an internet discussion board. I don't have the time to write the book long argument as to why I feel he doesn't deserve to be the HOF. If it makes you happy, I also don't think Irvin should have got in.

If you HAD to pick out of the two to get in to the HOF I would have picked Munk, but that's the thing - they don't HAVE to pick anybody. Therefore, I was hoping both of them would've never gotten in.
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Old 02-10-2007, 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by KingofKings25
The Art Munk HOF argument is too long for an internet discussion board. I don't have the time to write the book long argument as to why I feel he doesn't deserve to be the HOF. If it makes you happy, I also don't think Irvin should have got in.

If you HAD to pick out of the two to get in to the HOF I would have picked Munk, but that's the thing - they don't HAVE to pick anybody. Therefore, I was hoping both of them would've never gotten in.

To be fair, how much do you really know about Monk? I mean, for starters, you can't spell his name correctly...
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:08 PM
A simple typo... geez, let it go. You're not going to change my opinion, nor could you get me to believe Irvin deserved to be in the HOF.

I don't know every little statistic about Monk or Irvin, I know what I know about each and every other player since I've been watching football. Which is my entire life. I can't believe you think somebody thinks he doesn't deserve the Hall. Obviously the writers and voters have spoken through their votes, and thus far... HE'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH. If you could have a team with the greatest players to ever play the game you would NEVER pick Monk.
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:30 PM
Define Irony: The Pro Bowl turns out to be a MUCH better game than The Super Bowl, with the AFC using a last-minute field goal to eek out a 31-28 win...
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by KingofKings25
A simple typo... geez, let it go. You're not going to change my opinion, nor could you get me to believe Irvin deserved to be in the HOF.

I don't know every little statistic about Monk or Irvin, I know what I know about each and every other player since I've been watching football. Which is my entire life. I can't believe you think somebody thinks he doesn't deserve the Hall. Obviously the writers and voters have spoken through their votes, and thus far... HE'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH. If you could have a team with the greatest players to ever play the game you would NEVER pick Monk.

I'm not sure it's a typo if you did it twice. Anyways, it''s not misspellings that are the problem, it's your complete ineptitude to make an argument for anyt of the bold statements you make. Just saying it's your opinion, or backing out by saying "there's too much to write" (complete BS, can you not condense your argument?) doesn't cut it. This is a discussion board... to discuss, not just drop one-liners without backing anything up. I never said Monk should be in the HOF, also, so I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm trying to get you to explain why you think what you do.
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Old 02-14-2007, 11:07 AM
Any free agency/trade predictions?

Jake Plummer - Cleveland Browns

LaVar Arrington - Cincinnati Bengals

Jeff Garcia - Chicago Bears

Jamal Lewis - Green Bay Packers

Duce Staley - New York Giants

David Carr - Detroit Lions
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Old 02-14-2007, 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by KingofKings25
I don't know every little statistic about Monk or Irvin, I know what I know about each and every other player since I've been watching football. Which is my entire life. I can't believe you think somebody thinks he doesn't deserve the Hall. Obviously the writers and voters have spoken through their votes, and thus far... HE'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH. If you could have a team with the greatest players to ever play the game you would NEVER pick Monk.
I just like to know what voters intentions are are they based on the player or what team he spant his whole career on because I think if you reverse it and Irvin played his whole career on Washington and Monk on Dallas it's a different story which pisses me off about it when voters vote based on team and not on player.

Also did anybody see the hit by Sean Taylor on Bryan Moorman. That was just awesome.
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Old 02-15-2007, 10:06 AM
Art Monk stats

Ht/Wt: 6-3, 210
Born: 12/5/1957
College: Syracuse
Drafted: 1980, round 1, by the Washington Redskins
3-time Pro Bowler: 1984, 1985, 1986



Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1980 was | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 58 797 13.7 3 |
| 1981 was | 16 | 1 -5 -5.0 0 | 56 894 16.0 6 |
| 1982 was | 9 | 7 21 3.0 0 | 35 447 12.8 1 |
| 1983 was | 12 | 3 -19 -6.3 0 | 47 746 15.9 5 |
| 1984 was | 16 | 2 18 9.0 0 | 106 1372 12.9 7 |
| 1985 was | 15 | 7 51 7.3 0 | 91 1226 13.5 2 |
| 1986 was | 16 | 4 27 6.8 0 | 73 1068 14.6 4 |
| 1987 was | 9 | 6 63 10.5 0 | 38 483 12.7 6 |
| 1988 was | 16 | 7 46 6.6 0 | 72 946 13.1 5 |
| 1989 was | 16 | 3 8 2.7 0 | 86 1186 13.8 8 |
| 1990 was | 16 | 7 59 8.4 0 | 68 770 11.3 5 |
| 1991 was | 16 | 9 19 2.1 0 | 71 1049 14.8 8 |
| 1992 was | 16 | 6 45 7.5 0 | 46 644 14.0 3 |
| 1993 was | 16 | 1 -1 -1.0 0 | 41 398 9.7 2 |
| 1994 nyj | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 46 581 12.6 3 |
| 1995 phi | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 6 114 19.0 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 224 | 63 332 5.3 0 | 940 12721 13.5 68 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/MonkAr00.htm


Michael Irvin Stats

Ht/Wt: 6-2, 207
Born: 3/5/1966
College: Miami (Fla.)
Drafted: 1988, round 1, by the Dallas Cowboys
5-time Pro Bowler: 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995


+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1988 dal | 14 | 1 2 2.0 0 | 32 654 20.4 5 |
| 1989 dal | 6 | 1 6 6.0 0 | 26 378 14.5 2 |
| 1990 dal | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 20 413 20.6 5 |
| 1991 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 93 1523 16.4 8 |
| 1992 dal | 16 | 1 -9 -9.0 0 | 78 1396 17.9 7 |
| 1993 dal | 16 | 2 6 3.0 0 | 88 1330 15.1 7 |
| 1994 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 79 1241 15.7 6 |
| 1995 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 111 1603 14.4 10 |
| 1996 dal | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 64 962 15.0 2 |
| 1997 dal | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 75 1180 15.7 9 |
| 1998 dal | 16 | 1 1 1.0 0 | 74 1057 14.3 1 |
| 1999 dal | 4 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 10 167 16.7 3 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 159 | 6 6 1.0 0 | 750 11904 15.9 65 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/IrviMi00.htm


There are the statistics for Monk Vs. Irvin... Statwise, Monk has done more in his career, but played four seasons more than Irvin. I certainly think that Monk is definately Hall of Fame caliber, but I may lean more towards Captain Crack here.
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Old 02-19-2007, 05:53 PM
OMG America's Quarterback Tom Brady is having a baby out of wedlock! Today's biggest story in footbal?
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Old 02-19-2007, 08:41 PM
Actually the bigger story is the end of the road for San Diego as an elite team in the NFL as now they've hired NORV FUCKIN TURNER as their Head Coach...
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Old 02-19-2007, 09:48 PM
Oh for fuck's sakes... I'd rather see Dennis Green as head coach.
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by JJFlamingo
Actually the bigger story is the end of the road for San Diego as an elite team in the NFL as now they've hired NORV FUCKIN TURNER as their Head Coach...
Drafting a QB (Rivers) instead of Larry Fitzgerald when you have Drew Brees, actually choosing Rivers over Brees, firing Marty, and now this... this if officially the most inept football franchise in the NFL. They can't even seize an opportunity when it's placed in their lap.
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Drafting a QB (Rivers) instead of Larry Fitzgerald when you have Drew Brees, actually choosing Rivers over Brees, firing Marty, and now this... this if officially the most inept football franchise in the NFL. They can't even seize an opportunity when it's placed in their lap.
I wonder who's gonna have the bigger fallout next season, San Diego or the Patriots?

Oh yeah, and what the hell's wrong with Denny Green anyways? The guy did an awesome job with Minnesotta (who've been a trainwreck ever since his departure) and made a notable effort with Arizona. There are much worse coaches out there than Dennis Green!

Any word on Miami's QB situation? I wouldn't be surprised if Culpepper turns out to be a 'Grant Hill' type acquisition for the Phins. They really oughtta look into signin Garcia or Plummer. Their defense isn't gonna stay young forever, and given the right pieces to the puzzle this team could really do something.

The Madden Curse--
I heard a rumour that Peyton Manning had agreed to be on the cover of the new Madden game. The game usually isnt released until the start of the next regular season, but (if true) can Manning overcome the curse of the Madden cover boys?
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Old 02-20-2007, 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Drafting a QB (Rivers) instead of Larry Fitzgerald when you have Drew Brees, actually choosing Rivers over Brees, firing Marty, and now this... this if officially the most inept football franchise in the NFL. They can't even seize an opportunity when it's placed in their lap.
The Phillip Rivers trade at the time was actually not a bad idea. The 2003 season was Brees' third, and worst season in his career. 11 tds and 15 ints, leading the club to the worst record in the league, thus allowing them to draft Manning with the 1st pick in the draft. Drew was looking to be on his way out of the league, when suddenly it appeared that the competition coming from his heir apparent lit a fire under his ass. If not for acquiring Rivers, Drew might not have found his spark that season. Everyone had thrown him under the proverbial 'bus', and even ESPN's "Mort" was predicting Brees to last three games or less before the Rivers era began.

Now ditching Drew and keeping Phillip? That is a good, debatable one. I think Drew had the team and fans on his side. One thing that possibly encouraged San Diego letting go of him was that shoulder injury he suffered, a lot of people wondered about how long the injury would take, and what his arm strength would be like.

I thought an excellent choice for San Diego would have been to trade Phillip to San Francisco the year they had the first pick and gunned for Alex Smith.

For the Dolphins, an interesting story says that Cleo Lemon was told that he is expected to compete for the starting position. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...e&type=fantasy

And as for Dennis Green, there's nothing wrong with him, I'm just kind of citing that you've got Dennis Green canned and Norv freakin' Turner getting hired for a dynamite job in San Diego.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:56 PM

Wow, what a guy Peyton Manning is, agreeing to restructure his contract to save the Colts $8 million in cap room! MVP and a team player to boot.
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Old 02-21-2007, 07:02 PM
I know this is random but randy moss must come to the falcons. I am looseing my mind with these sucky ass receivers we have. MIKE VICK IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!! to hell with anyone who thinks he is.
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Old 02-22-2007, 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by franky4fingerz
I know this is random but randy moss must come to the falcons. I am looseing my mind with these sucky ass receivers we have. MIKE VICK IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!! to hell with anyone who thinks he is.
Michael Jenkins IS a good receiver, and TE Alge Crumpler is a perennial pro bowler.

If Randy Moss goes to the Falcons, he'll catch 12 td passes in the first six games, and then sit out the remaining ten with a pulled hamstring and/or back spasms.

Michael Vick is phemomenal as an athlete, but I have seen him throw a lot of horrible balls and miss wide open receivers. The Falcons year after year draft the best WR they can get for him, but he still can't make it happen. A lot of people think he's too dependent on Crumpler to give anyone else a real chance.

Oh, and by the way, McNabb made it to the superbowl with receivers like James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, and Freddie Mitchell while his superstar T.O. was out until the week of the superbowl. Too many Falcons fans think that Michael Vick is the second coming of Jesus Christ and therefore anything bad that happens in the game can never be his fault.
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:08 PM
I agree, Michael Vick is a bit overrated. Now I am not saying I wouldn't want him on my team, but he hasn't proven that he can carry a team with his QB ability.
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Old 02-22-2007, 06:29 PM
I don't think Moss will be the answer to the Falcons problems. His performance has been steadily declining for some years now, and he wouldn't be worth the cap room. I think Vick would be better off on a new team in 07-08. Maybe a trade with the giant for Eli.
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:59 PM
screw eli, he wouldnt last 2 games with the falcons. If your a falcons qb your gonna have to scramble like a bitch cause the o line sucks so bad. Mike Vick is the ONLY qb who would work for ATL. maybe vince young, idk, its too early to tell. oh yeah, the eagles receivers actually caught the balls, the falcons receivers couldnt catch a cold. Roddy White droped a wide open pass that would have most likely won the game againts the fuckin bitch ass saints. Jenkins is okay at best. I think atl will be okay with this new coach and brian finneran comeing back. I would love to see randy moss or any big reciever come to atl (no t.o though). I think the falcons are about to loose schaub our great back up to the raiders after brooks was cut, maybe moss will be in the package.
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Old 02-24-2007, 04:29 PM
yawn... let me know when we all agree to stop making excuses for Mike Vick. It's been like 5 years now
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:23 AM
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yawn... let me know when we all agree to stop making excuses for Mike Vick. It's been like 5 years now
I can tell you've never seen a falcons game.
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Old 03-01-2007, 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by franky4fingerz
I can tell you've never seen a falcons game.
I've actually seen many. It's frustrating that people can't accept reality. He's not a good passer and never will be. He hasn't remotely improved in any aspect of the passing game in 4 years (accuracy, decision making, etc). I don't care who is put around you, if you don't improve from your 2nd season there's something wrong with you. He's a running quarterback that needs to be in a ball control system to be effective (sustain drives by running, win the field position battle, have a good defense, and win close, ugly games). He'd be the perfect qb for the Ravens or Bears, and that's about it.

Now, should Atlanta give up on him and go to Schaub? Absolutely not. He's talented enough to conform an entire system around him. Hell, the Titans pulled it off with Young in half a season just by changing their gameplan. Atlanta should get back their two-headed rushing game (I don't know what their draft position is like, but they should try for Brian Leonard in the 2nd round), get some secondary help (probably in the first round), and play the same kind of football they played in 2004. But if they waste cap room and/or draft picks on receivers, they're just in denial about Vick's abilities. That's not his game.
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Old 03-05-2007, 04:42 PM
The Falcons just picked up Baltimore's old Fullback to an 18 mill contract. Guess they might be using that 2nd round pick for something else...

Maybe for another horrible, no good, god awful, bad receiver who doesn't know how to get open or catch Vick's awesomely accurate throws.
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Old 03-08-2007, 02:51 PM
Joe Horn to the Falcons hmm..... I wonder if Joe Horn can hold on to a football since the rest of his recievers can't.

Anyway what the hell is going on in Buffalo they trade McGahee to the Ravens and they are supposedly going after Corey Dillion. I'm confused what is going on up there or down there actually since I'm in Canada.

The Redskins aren't making the huge splash like they used to they did sign London-Fletcher Baker and got Fred Smoot(who was a decent CB when he was in Washington) They can still use an upgrade at SS and DE. I think they are using their first round pick on a DE.
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Old 03-09-2007, 11:46 AM
I think the Bills just severely wanted to get rid of McGahee. From what I read, he never studied his playbook and had to have a coach make signals to him before every play so he would know what was going on. I think he'll flop in Baltimore.

As for Joe Horn, congratulations, you've just made it to wide receiver hell.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:19 AM
LMAO @ Lance Briggs. How fucking stupid does he have to be to turn down the franchise tag for the NFC champs and $7.2 million for one year of work? $7.2 million is QB money. and he's whining because he wants a "long term" contract? Drew Rosenhaus must be blowing some serious smoke up his ass if he's turning down this deal.
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Old 03-14-2007, 01:00 PM
What's with the Buccs swallowing up all the QBs out there? They seemed to have two pretty capable youngsters last year, despite a lack luster season. I mean, you could have J.P. Losman...
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Old 03-16-2007, 03:36 PM
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What's with the Buccs swallowing up all the QBs out there? They seemed to have two pretty capable youngsters last year, despite a lack luster season. I mean, you could have J.P. Losman...
I agree. I don't care what anyone says, Bruce Gradkowski has it in him to be a great quarterback, if given time to develop. He caught my eye during pre-season, and even moreso after he took over for the injured Simms and led a wonderful 4th quarter comeback against my Bengals. It now appears that he's likely to get the shaft. I hope Cleveland is smart enough to pick him up.

As for Lance Briggs, I think it isn't a bad idea. Sure, 7.2 mill for one year, but guys today are willing and able to get contracts that come with guarantees over twice as much as that.
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Old 03-16-2007, 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
I agree. I don't care what anyone says, Bruce Gradkowski has it in him to be a great quarterback, if given time to develop. He caught my eye during pre-season, and even moreso after he took over for the injured Simms and led a wonderful 4th quarter comeback against my Bengals. It now appears that he's likely to get the shaft. I hope Cleveland is smart enough to pick him up.

As for Lance Briggs, I think it isn't a bad idea. Sure, 7.2 mill for one year, but guys today are willing and able to get contracts that come with guarantees over twice as much as that.
You're right about Gradkowski. I like his game a lot. Considering his receivers are either old or crappy, Cadillac regressed, and they had no o-line to speak of, it's kind of hard to toss him to the side. I have no faith in Simms though. He's just a practice superstar. That's the only explanation why he ever started over more proven guys, whether it was Applewhite in college or Griese in the NFL, even though he did nothing.

I think the problem Briggs has is threefold. First, there's no signing bonus, which is always a big deal. Secondly, it's only for one year. He wants a long term deal for a ton of money, especially considering how much guys like Joey Porter got. The market is crazy this year and he's the best defensive free agent (if he actually were a free agent) out there, so although 7.2 mill sounds like a lot, he could demand a LOT more. Third, I just think he has a problem with the Bears organization. They disrespected Lovie Smith all year in regards to his extension. I think they're just greedy and seeing it up close bothers him to the point where he doesn't want to deal with it.
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:14 PM
lance briggs

you i actually agree with lance he was the leading tackler for the team not urlacher and all they do is slap a one year deal on him and that mean there is no guaranteed money and if he get hurt well then bye bye and what if he really likes chicago are they just going let go one of the better LB on that team
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Old 04-10-2007, 02:33 PM
LMAO @ Pacman Jones

One year suspension without pay. Congratulations, dickhead. You've made the commisioner of football pass down the longest suspension in NFL history and you've made the players union angry enough that they want to ban players for this behavior. Nice going. I hope the Titans release you, too.

In addition to Jones, the Benglas will be less one wideout thanks to the 8 game suspension or Chris Henry.

It's pretty bad when in his letter to both players, Roger Gooddell says they've both been an embarassment to themselves, their teams, and the NFL.
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Old 04-11-2007, 06:22 PM
Kinda interesting. Not backing Pacman at all, but it's funny he got that suspension without even being convicted of anything as of yet.
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Old 04-20-2007, 04:33 PM
I would just like to formally thank the Green Bay Packers for doing absolutely nothing this offseason. Thank you so much for screwing the fans over again this season and ruining another year you have with a top 10 quarterback and a future Hall of Famer. Thank you for bringing back the same players that have gotten you no where for a few seasons and thank you for losing everybody standing behind number 4. Thank you for being interested in pretty much every free agent but not signing any of them. What, did their names not sound as good as (Scarcasm) Charles Woodsen? Thank you for keeping true to being part of the worst division in NFL football. Thank you for giving all the other NFL fans hope each weekend their team plays the Packers. It's because of you they will have another "W" and a smile on their face.

Thank you for being the quietest team in the offseason.

It used to mean something to play for the Packers. Now their front office and coaches are a joke.
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Old 04-21-2007, 08:18 AM
Actually, the Vikes have had a rotten offseason as well.
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Old 04-21-2007, 10:33 PM
Peter King wrote an article about this earlier. What happend was the market was so out of control because the early signings (guys like Nate Clements) were so drastically overpaid that everyone was demanding more money than they're worth. So a lot of teams (he specifically mentioned the Packers and Titans) didn't want to get involved because they didn't want to pay the amount the market was demanding for mediocre players. I agree with you guys though... a lot of teams were probably a little too conservative, and considering this is a pretty mediocre draft, it's almost like they're already giving up on the season.
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Old 04-25-2007, 02:34 PM

The Chiefs have officially lost it. Dante Hall is a fucking Ram now. Now we have no return man. And of course, there's the trade debacle with the Dolphins for Trent Green. I understand that the team needs cap room and wants compensation for a starter, but a second round pick for a 38 year old QB (healthy or not) is insane. Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards are fucking morons.

Will Shields retirement was bad enough. The moves made in the off season don't make sense to me. Can someone filter through all the bullshit and tell me this team is doing the right thing? And if so, then tell me how this will improve the Chiefs. I'm dying to know.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by veddhead83
Actually, the Vikes have had a rotten offseason as well.
Yeah, they seem to forget that they have no one to throw the ball next season, nor anyone to catch it. Ryan Longwell looked better passing than Brad Johnson.
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Old 04-25-2007, 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by jeo4
The Chiefs have officially lost it. Dante Hall is a fucking Ram now. Now we have no return man. And of course, there's the trade debacle with the Dolphins for Trent Green. I understand that the team needs cap room and wants compensation for a starter, but a second round pick for a 38 year old QB (healthy or not) is insane. Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards are fucking morons.

Will Shields retirement was bad enough. The moves made in the off season don't make sense to me. Can someone filter through all the bullshit and tell me this team is doing the right thing? And if so, then tell me how this will improve the Chiefs. I'm dying to know.
Now there's rumor of trading Larry Johnson as well for one of the top picks in the draft.

It's pretty fucked up. There's almost no one left of the awesome 2003 team... No Dante Hall, Priest Holmes, Willie Roaf, Will Shields, Marc Boericter (sp?), Johnnie Morton, and probably Trent Green. Hell, they'll probably cut Eddie Kenison next training camp.

I guess Herm wants to start over with his own guys.
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