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Grindhouse revisited?? Apr. 9, 2007
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With the (seemingly) much-anticipated double feature GRINDHOUSE having a case of box office erectile dysfunction, Hollywood insiders and online journalists immediately speculated on the causes quicker than Tarantino can deliver a complete sentence. It's too long! Too violent! Too self-indulgent! Too hyped! Released on the wrong weekend! Audiences didn't "get" it! Milk Duds pull out my fillings! And so on.

Now comes the wicked rumor that the Weinstein machine known as Harvey was so utterly disappointed by the fiscal reaming that he's actually considering the notion of slashing the package into two distinct flicks and tossing them at screens separately -- in just a few weeks! Harvey points to the fact that this was the global release plan all along: "By splitting it up, we're going to do a hell of a lot better internationally than we did here."

This has to sting -- the Weinsteins haven't exactly churned out the hits since wandering off on their own, with a catalog and slate littered with expensive projects, foreign acquisitions and genre flicks that were all basically dead on arrival (including, ironically, DOA). And now even their two Golden Boys in tandem can't open a flick to much more than what the equally graphic 300 pulled in its fourth week of release.

Of course, just striking prints of the proposed solo cuts seems like it would be to further financial detriment, let alone the price tag of re-promoting the flicks, so who knows what'll happen. At least the fans will likely get a (probably bare-bones) DVD release with all alacrity in a ham-handed attempt to recoup cost quickly. As for why the project tanked at the box office, I stick with William Goldman's Hollywood theory: "Nobody knows anything."

Extra Tidbit: Tarantino and Rodriguez have previously directed segments of one project: 1995's FOUR ROOMS. And we know how that turned out...

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USA JUST FUCKIN SUCKS!!!
DrkBlueXG
8:28PM on 04/10/2007
Yeaaa that's right! I fuckin said it! I mean really,... Grindhouse kicked my ass and left me for dead on the side of the road. Best Movie Experience Of My Life! I think if it had some sort of 9/11 reference or someone...
Yeaaa that's right! I fuckin said it! I mean really,... Grindhouse kicked my ass and left me for dead on the side of the road. Best Movie Experience Of My Life! I think if it had some sort of 9/11 reference or someone come through the film and say "YAY! USA IS #1!!!" then the box office scores will be better. But Of course, the mass Republican based nation always has the final say in stupid ass decisions around here... and they think Grindhouse is too violent, too long and they just don't get it...AHAHA What a bunch of bible-humping douchebags. Let's just take a huge shit on their chests and call it a day
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A Sad Day...
gambitnightwing
7:03PM on 04/10/2007
I saw the movie this past weekend and... Wow!!! It was one of the best movie experiences of my life. It's sad when a horrible re-hash, "Are we done yet?", beats out an original, fresh, and kick-ass movie like "GrindHo...
I saw the movie this past weekend and... Wow!!! It was one of the best movie experiences of my life. It's sad when a horrible re-hash, "Are we done yet?", beats out an original, fresh, and kick-ass movie like "GrindHouse". Tell all your friends and family to watch it. We need to support original movies like Grindhouse or theaters will keep throwing out garbage for us to watch.
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Tidbit
slickyz
7:03PM on 04/10/2007
Read the tidbit, mentions : "segments", not codirected the same. Becauswe four rooms has 4 completely distinct stories.
Read the tidbit, mentions : "segments", not codirected the same. Becauswe four rooms has 4 completely distinct stories.
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Treating Europe like shit
h
5:34PM on 04/10/2007
Thanks for that, Harvey.

Btw, that 'extra tidbit' is a little redundant when there's From Dusk Till Dawn and Sin City out there too...
Thanks for that, Harvey.

Btw, that 'extra tidbit' is a little redundant when there's From Dusk Till Dawn and Sin City out there too...
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DocBlock47
3:24PM on 04/10/2007
i agree with the comment below me. I saw grindhouse yesterday and i thought that it was a great film, but the whole presmise wasnt mainstream. I loved the movie and to split it in two would just to make a quick buck a...
i agree with the comment below me. I saw grindhouse yesterday and i thought that it was a great film, but the whole presmise wasnt mainstream. I loved the movie and to split it in two would just to make a quick buck at the expense of destroying a whole movie. The Weinstein company has been sucking at every thing they have popped out. When Grindhouse didnt deliver to their unattainable expectations, they jump the gun. Face it, Grindhouse is a film that demands a new, fresh and original audience, something America isnt used to seeing these days at the multiplex.
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DocBlock47
3:21PM on 04/10/2007
i agree with the comment below me. I saw grindhouse yesterday and i thought that it was a great film, but the whole presmise wasnt mainstream. I loved the movie and to split it in two would just to make a quick buck a...
i agree with the comment below me. I saw grindhouse yesterday and i thought that it was a great film, but the whole presmise wasnt mainstream. I loved the movie and to split it in two would just to make a quick buck at the expense of destroying a whole movie. The Weinstein company has been sucking at every thing they have popped out. When Grindhouse didnt deliver to their unattainable expectations, they jump the gun. Face it, Grindhouse is a film that demands a new, fresh and original audience, something America isnt used to seeing these days at the multiplex.
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redwhisper13
2:17PM on 04/10/2007
The integrity of the film is that it IS a double feature. They just picked one of the worst weekends for release. It being too long or violent has nothing to do with it. Hell, I'm going to see it again this weekend...
The integrity of the film is that it IS a double feature. They just picked one of the worst weekends for release. It being too long or violent has nothing to do with it. Hell, I'm going to see it again this weekend. Just Easter weekend was a "family at the multiplex" weekend and not the target audience. They should just wait, its only been one weekend! This thing is going to bank, it just needs to travel by WOM first. I'm spreading word that this thing is badass and I just read Entertainment Weekly gave it an A. Give it time!
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No option here...
Pandemoniac
1:25PM on 04/10/2007
Some distribution dicks over here in The Netherlands decided to put Grindhouse out as seperate moves right away. I was really looking forward to the classical grindhouse feel the whole package offers, but now that who...
Some distribution dicks over here in The Netherlands decided to put Grindhouse out as seperate moves right away. I was really looking forward to the classical grindhouse feel the whole package offers, but now that whole concept is down the drain thanks to the moneyleeches.
It hurts man, it hurts! In this age of movies that suck like no movie sucked before, even the good stuff gets mutilated and less interesting in the end. Do they even want us to go to theathers lately?
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Movie was great
White Dragon
12:29PM on 04/10/2007
They shouldn't do it, they should just let it go, they took a gamble and they lost, big deal don't change it. But people are right a lot of the younger people just didn't know what a Grindhouse was. Every time i asked...
They shouldn't do it, they should just let it go, they took a gamble and they lost, big deal don't change it. But people are right a lot of the younger people just didn't know what a Grindhouse was. Every time i asked if people were gonna see it the first thing they ask is... whats that.. then when i explained it they be like ahhh i dont think ill see that. : / so who knows. But i wouldn't break it up thats just defeating the whole purpose of the movie. Screw the ppl who didn't get what it was.

And whats different from this holiday that works for all the other major holidays out there?
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hcaulfield37
10:10AM on 04/10/2007
Yep. I gotta say it. 'Grindhouse' was the best filmgoing experience I've had in years.
Yep. I gotta say it. 'Grindhouse' was the best filmgoing experience I've had in years.
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Donnie_Darko
8:55AM on 04/10/2007
Grindhouse, as it stands = best movie of the year. Split it up, and you'll get two great films, but it won't quite be the same.

I'm still leaning towards a packed DVD. Yea, QT is a dink when it comes to...
Grindhouse, as it stands = best movie of the year. Split it up, and you'll get two great films, but it won't quite be the same.

I'm still leaning towards a packed DVD. Yea, QT is a dink when it comes to NON SE versions of his movies, but Robert is a God when it comes to releasing ass packed DVD sets. So, I'm pretty confident that there will be a great package for this being released.
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Good idea
dellamorte dellamore
8:51AM on 04/10/2007
Although i think the double feature element is a terrific idea , even if some may not be totally satisfied with the overall outcome , quality etc .. , at least someone tried something different , and later on today i'...
Although i think the double feature element is a terrific idea , even if some may not be totally satisfied with the overall outcome , quality etc .. , at least someone tried something different , and later on today i'll let you know if i think they succeeded , and releasing each seperately , focusing on the individual stories can only help marketing . You have to remember who we are dealing with here , the mainstream public , they get confused very easily . If a film deals with too many diff subjects or genres and so forth , they don't know what to make of it , and they'll just go for something that's obvious and cliched , like the latest Fomedy , familiar actors , nice and safe cgi entertainment , or a pretty much one note cgi gore fest about bad guys and good guys .


Now you have a film such as Grindhouse which contains , not only 2 seperate films , but faux trailers also . It's an ambitious project that contains many cinematic themes , i would say it's even sophisticated mayhem . And i think that's mainly what may have hurt it , it's groundbreaking nature and lack of focus couldn't endear it to a wide audience .



So releasing each sperately , with the trailers intact ( i would'nt even play up the faux trailer angle , surprise everyone ) , and with a clear focus about what each individual film has to offer , can only benefit the potential box office draw , in my opinion . Planet is an over the top zombie film , market it as such , Death Proof is basically an over the top car chase revenge film , market it as such and feature the car chases in the trailers , it's the focus that needs adjusting not the content of the films .

And here's the thing that most people may not agree with , tone down the allusions to the films being inspired by Grindhouse , that's strictly for the fanboys like me . Just release them as modern day offerings , and the people in the know will understand it's a homage , loving nod to the sleaze of the past ,the whole Grind thing may have confused people , most people don't know what the heck it is or relates to .


Allright , i'll be seeing it soon , and i'll let the shmoes know what i really think , because since i have yet to see it , my comments are strictly conjecture at this point . Hey , ring up another 6 dollars , it's almost in the black :D .
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This fucking sucks.
GrindhouseFan83
8:47AM on 04/10/2007
Im loved grindhouse. This is sad that america dosent know good movies when they see one. I just hope that the DVD has both films on it, and not just planet terror on one dvd, and then you have to buy death proof on th...
Im loved grindhouse. This is sad that america dosent know good movies when they see one. I just hope that the DVD has both films on it, and not just planet terror on one dvd, and then you have to buy death proof on the other. Grindhouse was the best movie I have seen in years. It fucking RULED!!!!
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YouGotRedOnYou
6:50AM on 04/10/2007
Grindhouse is the best cinematic experience in years. It's pretty obvious why this movie hasn't made a ton of money yet: Easter weekend (bad release date), Will Ferrell (people love their comedy, especially on big fa...
Grindhouse is the best cinematic experience in years. It's pretty obvious why this movie hasn't made a ton of money yet: Easter weekend (bad release date), Will Ferrell (people love their comedy, especially on big family holiday weekends), and a three hour runtime. I imagine, actually I'm hoping, that this film will pick up some speed at the box office in the coming weekends. It should have good word of mouth to help spread some news about it and get some butts in the seats.
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Hell No!
Strider
6:39AM on 04/10/2007
I seriously hope the Weinsteins don't release "Planet Terror" and "Death Proof" separately. That's a fucking stupid idea. "Grindhouse" was intended to be a double feature -- don't they realize that? If they release th...
I seriously hope the Weinsteins don't release "Planet Terror" and "Death Proof" separately. That's a fucking stupid idea. "Grindhouse" was intended to be a double feature -- don't they realize that? If they release them on DVD separately as well, I won't buy them. Anyway, it's a damn shame that "Grindhouse" didn't have a solid opening at the box-office last weekend. But let's face facts: The film never should've been released on Easter weekend, and mainstream movie-goers simply didn't understand the concept of "Grindhouse." The only people who were pumped up about this film were the film buffs, the movie geeks -- that's it.

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Abuckley89
2:39AM on 04/10/2007
i want to see death proof again. i do not want to see planet terror again.
i want to see death proof again. i do not want to see planet terror again.
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Whatever
jampes
1:20AM on 04/10/2007
I saw it, I loved it. They can't take that away. What the original article points out though, is that each film would include their missing reels. It's not like they're just going to cut it in half and release them li...
I saw it, I loved it. They can't take that away. What the original article points out though, is that each film would include their missing reels. It's not like they're just going to cut it in half and release them like that.

While I prefer the integrity of the double-feature, unless you've got your head up your a** you had to see this coming. Seriously, there's TWO movies. With missing reels. They're going to triple-dip this mofo (restored Planet Terror DVD, restored Death Proof DVD, and original Grindhouse DVD). People will buy as many DVDs as you tell them to buy.

As for the poor box office, I had a weird experience seeing this on Easter Sunday morning. The theater was 1/2 full with a lot of seniors and a few families with kids WAY too young to be watching. Probably about 7-8 people walked out in the first 30 minutes (two families and one elderly couple). So about 10% of the audience seemed to have no idea what they came to see. And this was in L.A. Strange!
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If they release them as 2 seperate films...
afulinara
12:51AM on 04/10/2007
they better gimme an extended cut of Death Proof. That was just amazing. But i am still very disappointed with the weinsteins' decision, they have made the worst moves ever since their miramax split. Get it right bitc...
they better gimme an extended cut of Death Proof. That was just amazing. But i am still very disappointed with the weinsteins' decision, they have made the worst moves ever since their miramax split. Get it right bitches! I hope they dont fuck us over with 2 seperate DVDs. I want a fucking 5-disc special edition bitch!
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cupajoe
12:31AM on 04/10/2007
as a whole grindhouse kicked ass. but my problem with it is more personal then any other movie. im a die hard tarrentino fan and i was just generally uninterested in any of the charecters of death proof except stuntma...
as a whole grindhouse kicked ass. but my problem with it is more personal then any other movie. im a die hard tarrentino fan and i was just generally uninterested in any of the charecters of death proof except stuntman mike, i dont know i guess im just prolly spoiled when it comes to his charecters.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
drwcomics
11:47PM on 04/09/2007
this is bad. I really don't want to believe that The Weinsteins are so utterly short sighted and STUPID (yes stupid, if true than this IS a PERSONAL attack on the wienstiens) to think that a THREE HOUR R RATED movie i...
this is bad. I really don't want to believe that The Weinsteins are so utterly short sighted and STUPID (yes stupid, if true than this IS a PERSONAL attack on the wienstiens) to think that a THREE HOUR R RATED movie is going to do well on EASTER FUCKING SUNDAY. My god man, COME ON, the majority of the country is at home with their families that entire weekend. They're not going to go out and see a Kiddie movie let alone go and see an R rated exploitation double feature.

This is seriously a BAD idea. I saw grindhouse on opening day and it was one of the best movie theater experiences that I've had in a long while. To think that SO many people could get deprived of that pisses me off JUST a little bit

Harvy, YOU decided to release the movie during easter weekend, don't make the public suffer for YOUR mistake.

Color me disgusted.
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IMO
Rounder
11:30PM on 04/09/2007
The way I look at it is this: I saw the movie, I thought it was kickass, now its done for me.

I don't care how badly it did at the box office or how a couple of millionaires didn't make a ton of money ...
The way I look at it is this: I saw the movie, I thought it was kickass, now its done for me.

I don't care how badly it did at the box office or how a couple of millionaires didn't make a ton of money off of it. Poor millionaires. I got MY money's worth and that's all that matters.
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hmmm
Sqallus
11:17PM on 04/09/2007
I will be so mad if they release these on two different dvds, I will probably still get both but it will suck.
I will be so mad if they release these on two different dvds, I will probably still get both but it will suck.
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DevilsRejects
10:28PM on 04/09/2007
Well, I loved Four Rooms, and this film is already more successful than that one, so LEAVE IT ALONE, WEINSTEINS! I swear, those guys have made every wrong move in the book since their Miramax split (the "Blockbuster O...
Well, I loved Four Rooms, and this film is already more successful than that one, so LEAVE IT ALONE, WEINSTEINS! I swear, those guys have made every wrong move in the book since their Miramax split (the "Blockbuster Only" rentals comes to mind as an exceptionally fucktarded way to keep from making money. I'M sure as hell not gonna go there just because they've got something I'm curious about. If it's that good, like Grindhouse, I'll buy it or see it in theaters.)
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HoyleHaw
10:27PM on 04/09/2007
Okay, Will Ferrell dominates at the box-office. Simple fact. Maybe not as much as some people, but release a Will Ferrell movie, and you can usually count on it being up there for a couple of weeks.

Th...
Okay, Will Ferrell dominates at the box-office. Simple fact. Maybe not as much as some people, but release a Will Ferrell movie, and you can usually count on it being up there for a couple of weeks.

Then maybe they thought that Ice Cube sequel to the January hit wouldn't be so big if they release it four months in, because January is dump season anywho.

Then take into consideration it's Easter weekend. Kids are running around, hunting for Easter eggs.

And a movie about '70s exploitation might appeal to someone in their mid-forties, but how do you ensure the younger audience will watch it?

Now, consider this, a movie that was marketed as a double-billed presentation, from two guys who love '70s exploitation movies, is chopped in two. Neither film is very long on its own. The actors aren't exactly star material (really, Rose McGowan and Freddy Rodriguez are not likely to draw in a crowd by theirselves, as top-billed, and Josh Brolin and Marley Shelton are maybe a worse example), and Rodriguez doesn't have the same clout that Tarantino does. He did "Desperado." Tarantino did "Pulp Fiction."

And let's not forget the fake trailers. What the fuck are fake trailers doing in front of your movie? And why do they feature gratuitous nudity, and a girl giving head to a man who doesn't have one.

They said this was gonna be a double feature, and you were busy last weekend with family. And this was supposed to be an event that would make people want to go to the movies. Yeah, right.

And what the fuck is with that missing reel, man? It's funny when they happen on both movies, but alone they're kinda irritating. At least the European audience gets to see the missing reel.

And lastly, what about that scene in "Death Proof" with Dr. Block. Who the hell is she supposed to be? Oh, yeah, she's the doctor with the psychotic zombie husband and the lesbian lover who got ripped to pieces. But without the other movie, it might not make so much sense.

Okay, so maybe I'm being a little picky, and maybe the international crowd will be asking some of these very same questions about the little plot strands that tie the two movies together.

But this was fun, this was worth it, and a holiday weekend can be very tricky to open a movie on. So what I wanna know is, how sure is this?
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_X_
10:27PM on 04/09/2007
Besides Super Q slowing down the movie in parts THIS MOVIE KICKED ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!! give it some time, it was easter maybe Jesus didn't want to much violence on his day dammit
Besides Super Q slowing down the movie in parts THIS MOVIE KICKED ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!! give it some time, it was easter maybe Jesus didn't want to much violence on his day dammit
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budget?
x1031x
10:26PM on 04/09/2007
Anyone know what the budget was on this thing? As far as I'm concerned, I think the way to go is make movies for less $$$ and if it "under performs" at the box office, you're in the clear because you didn't spend tha...
Anyone know what the budget was on this thing? As far as I'm concerned, I think the way to go is make movies for less $$$ and if it "under performs" at the box office, you're in the clear because you didn't spend that much to begin with. You can't tell me that Mr. "$7,000" Rodriguez doesn't know how to squeeze a nickel. This thing will more than make it's money back over worldwide global distribution and make the real bucks on DVD.
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Hey!
Stanislav
10:17PM on 04/09/2007
Listen buddy, I loved Four Rooms.
I thought it turned out great.
So why don't you... you know, do your own thing.

I handled that nicely.
Listen buddy, I loved Four Rooms.
I thought it turned out great.
So why don't you... you know, do your own thing.

I handled that nicely.
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dvd fools
Burgerking
10:07PM on 04/09/2007
Movies like these have strong fanbases. Just release a GOOD DVD of the movie and the movie will be a hit. Idiots.

Plus it's their fault for over-promoting the movie. Everyone is disappointed more people...
Movies like these have strong fanbases. Just release a GOOD DVD of the movie and the movie will be a hit. Idiots.

Plus it's their fault for over-promoting the movie. Everyone is disappointed more people couldn't enjoy the awesomeness, but if they did less marketing, the REAL fans would already be out watching it, and the idiot everyday joes still wouldnt have a clue, but thered be less spilt money.
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GIVE IT TIME YOU FAT FUCKS
vini
9:58PM on 04/09/2007
It needs some time to build a cult status, you base your arguments on just one weekend.

We have something special here, don't fuck it up.
It needs some time to build a cult status, you base your arguments on just one weekend.

We have something special here, don't fuck it up.
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C'mon Weinstein!!
Nelson
9:51PM on 04/09/2007
C'mon Harvey. Did you really expect the slathering movie going masses that made Wild Hogs a hit to do the same for Grindhouse?
You can't possibly be that clueless.

Grindhouse, in spite of its com...
C'mon Harvey. Did you really expect the slathering movie going masses that made Wild Hogs a hit to do the same for Grindhouse?
You can't possibly be that clueless.

Grindhouse, in spite of its complete and utter kickassedness, was not made for a mass audience.

That said, leave it the f**k alone!!
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Too hyped!
Blaaguuu
9:35PM on 04/09/2007
I have to agree with the "Too hyped" statement... The original teasers/trailers made it look like this cool, and original. But seeing it durring every commercial break on TV for the last month, now it just feels like ...
I have to agree with the "Too hyped" statement... The original teasers/trailers made it look like this cool, and original. But seeing it durring every commercial break on TV for the last month, now it just feels like another action movie, and im not nearly as excited about it anymore.
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J Mo, that better not be a diss on my ID!
powersauce
9:13PM on 04/09/2007
Just kidding! :D The only good thing I can see from it is that it will influence those who haven't seen it to see it ASAP before the 2 movies are released separately. That way it will hold up a little better next we...
Just kidding! :D The only good thing I can see from it is that it will influence those who haven't seen it to see it ASAP before the 2 movies are released separately. That way it will hold up a little better next weekend.
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Weak Sauce
JohnnyMo
8:52PM on 04/09/2007
what the hell is wrong with them..really....this is a double billing...its how it should be...maybe they will come to there senses...
what the hell is wrong with them..really....this is a double billing...its how it should be...maybe they will come to there senses...
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RealTimeScrub
8:49PM on 04/09/2007
Lame Lame idea. Grindhouse is a single feature with 2 movies. That's how it is. This is Lame.
Lame Lame idea. Grindhouse is a single feature with 2 movies. That's how it is. This is Lame.
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