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MOVIE POLL: Why do you think THE LAST STAND bombed?

Jan. 22, 2013by: The Arrow

Why do you think THE LAST STAND bombed?

The trailer and marketing was ass on a stick!
R-Rated action flicks are no longer popular.
Older peeps that care about Arnie are waiting for the Blu-Ray.
The new generation is pussyfied. macho action films scares them off.
Arnold killed his image with that maid scandal.
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12:48PM on 01/23/2013

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Arnold's biggest hits were big budget action flicks, not low budget, contained to a small town movie. Interest just wasnt there.
Arnold's biggest hits were big budget action flicks, not low budget, contained to a small town movie. Interest just wasnt there.
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12:37PM on 01/23/2013

Get to the Choppa!

Everything.... First, you're showing serious scenes of Forest Whitaker. Then you have Johnny Knoxville acting like a goof and wearing what it seems like pajamas. Then mixing it up with Arnie coming to realization that he's old. I never understood the marketing from the get go, but was surprised how many people said it was a fun action flick.
Everything.... First, you're showing serious scenes of Forest Whitaker. Then you have Johnny Knoxville acting like a goof and wearing what it seems like pajamas. Then mixing it up with Arnie coming to realization that he's old. I never understood the marketing from the get go, but was surprised how many people said it was a fun action flick.
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12:26PM on 01/23/2013
As a fellow said "Because the humor and comic relief from Johnny Knoxville and other characters in the ads made it look cheesy instead of badass", that's what I think too. Macho R rated action flicks doesnt need to be a parody. I was dissapointed with EX2 because of that... stop with the stupid nostalgia jokes, just give me the carnage! In the 80s and 90s Arnold's flick always were cheezy and with more comedy, Slys flicks were more serious. But then people (and critics) enjoyed Arnolds
As a fellow said "Because the humor and comic relief from Johnny Knoxville and other characters in the ads made it look cheesy instead of badass", that's what I think too. Macho R rated action flicks doesnt need to be a parody. I was dissapointed with EX2 because of that... stop with the stupid nostalgia jokes, just give me the carnage! In the 80s and 90s Arnold's flick always were cheezy and with more comedy, Slys flicks were more serious. But then people (and critics) enjoyed Arnolds flicks more. Personally I prefer Slys action movies. Nowadays people want to see old school action flicks, thats a fact, with more serious action than cgi explotions and that. But all the cheezyness and nostalgia jokes are a bit stupid. I hope BULLET TO THE HEAD make more money (its not difficult at this point), I asume its more focused on the action than in comedy.
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12:22PM on 01/23/2013
Regardless of the quality of the movie, it looked kind of cheap like those disposable Jason Statham movies that come out 3 or 4 times a year.

A Schwarzeneggar film needs to be an EVENT. Not delegated to the ass end of January.
Regardless of the quality of the movie, it looked kind of cheap like those disposable Jason Statham movies that come out 3 or 4 times a year.

A Schwarzeneggar film needs to be an EVENT. Not delegated to the ass end of January.
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11:54AM on 01/23/2013
Because Ahnuld hasn't done a good quality movie since True Lies. Every movie he's done since then is just an average dvd rental at best, and people are tired of paying theater prices for a movie they know is going to be shitty.

And no, it doesn't matter how many interviews Ahnuld does saying that 'this is my best movie evah', because he says that for ALL his movies. Maybe if Ahnuld scrutinized his movie scripts like he used to when he was starting his career, he'd be in a better quality of
Because Ahnuld hasn't done a good quality movie since True Lies. Every movie he's done since then is just an average dvd rental at best, and people are tired of paying theater prices for a movie they know is going to be shitty.

And no, it doesn't matter how many interviews Ahnuld does saying that 'this is my best movie evah', because he says that for ALL his movies. Maybe if Ahnuld scrutinized his movie scripts like he used to when he was starting his career, he'd be in a better quality of action movie.
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11:38AM on 01/23/2013

R Rated Action needs Help...

I think there are a number of reasons. The marketing was goofy. I would also say that a lot of the target demographic have trouble dragging their wives and girlfriends out to movies like this. A lot of guys are probably finding these flicks online for free and watching them when they are taking a break from playing video games. Guys need to start manning up and supporting R action flicks or they'll stop getting made. I hope Bullet in the Head and Die Hard fare better...
I think there are a number of reasons. The marketing was goofy. I would also say that a lot of the target demographic have trouble dragging their wives and girlfriends out to movies like this. A lot of guys are probably finding these flicks online for free and watching them when they are taking a break from playing video games. Guys need to start manning up and supporting R action flicks or they'll stop getting made. I hope Bullet in the Head and Die Hard fare better...
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11:03AM on 01/23/2013
It had Johnny Knoxville and the fat Mexican dude from boogie nights in it thats why it bombed.
It had Johnny Knoxville and the fat Mexican dude from boogie nights in it thats why it bombed.
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9:37AM on 01/23/2013
All of the above.
All of the above.
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9:22AM on 01/23/2013
I'd choose bad marketing and Arnold's revelation on his personal life have something to do with this movie being a bomb at the box office.
I'd choose bad marketing and Arnold's revelation on his personal life have something to do with this movie being a bomb at the box office.
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8:58AM on 01/23/2013
Johnny Knoxville. When I see him as a movie sidekick now days, I really get the impression the flick doesn't have much up its sleeve. I think I've just seen him pad the marketability of bland action-ish movies one decade too long. Nothing against the guy; I'll always be a Jackass fan, but when he shows up on non-Jackass movie poster I lose my appetite right away.
And I think the nostalgia surrounding Arnie is so strong that the movies absolutely need to play to that with conviction until he
Johnny Knoxville. When I see him as a movie sidekick now days, I really get the impression the flick doesn't have much up its sleeve. I think I've just seen him pad the marketability of bland action-ish movies one decade too long. Nothing against the guy; I'll always be a Jackass fan, but when he shows up on non-Jackass movie poster I lose my appetite right away.
And I think the nostalgia surrounding Arnie is so strong that the movies absolutely need to play to that with conviction until he gets back on solid terms with audiences. My first intuition with The Last Stand was that it was like Arnie returning quietly through a side door; we want him to come back a legend, because that's how we understand him at this point. We want the flick to be about him, for the most part, I think.
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7:15AM on 01/23/2013

I haven't seen it yet, but will when it comes out in the UK.

1) The biggest problem is times have changed. Look at the film that beat him - a poorly reviewed genre movie aimed at teenage girls. Sound familiar? That's the market in the US now.
2) Lionsgate overplayed Arnie's return in the marketing for Expendables 2 - they should have saved the fanfare for this movie.
3) The made too much of him being 'old', when they should have sold it as "Arnold's back and he's a fucking badass."
4) Making a film that looked (from the advertising) too much
1) The biggest problem is times have changed. Look at the film that beat him - a poorly reviewed genre movie aimed at teenage girls. Sound familiar? That's the market in the US now.
2) Lionsgate overplayed Arnie's return in the marketing for Expendables 2 - they should have saved the fanfare for this movie.
3) The made too much of him being 'old', when they should have sold it as "Arnold's back and he's a fucking badass."
4) Making a film that looked (from the advertising) too much like 'Walking Tall'. Johnny Knoxville co-star? I mean, wtf were they thinking? I haven't even seen it yet, but know I'd have rather just seen Luis Guzman as his sidekick.

The thing that pisses me off the most about this is I really want to see a big budget King Conan movie - and this could put the breaks on it. Still, I think it will do a lot better outside of the US, where there's probably more appreciation for Arnold these days.
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6:50AM on 01/23/2013
Because the humor and comic relief from Johnny Knoxville and other characters in the ads made it look cheesy instead of badass
Because the humor and comic relief from Johnny Knoxville and other characters in the ads made it look cheesy instead of badass
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6:26AM on 01/23/2013
Because the trailer tells us everything that is to know about that movie. It made me very uninterested about the movie.
Because the trailer tells us everything that is to know about that movie. It made me very uninterested about the movie.
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3:56AM on 01/23/2013
Because people are fucking stupid, cept us of course.
Because people are fucking stupid, cept us of course.
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2:13AM on 01/23/2013
The film wasn't anything special, but it was fun, and the fact that it bombed so hard is disappointing. I think that the new generation simply doesn't care all that much. Action films really aren't in right now. If they're not these big sci-fi epics or have some kind of supernatural angle to them, only the older generation that grew up with all those 80's and 90's flicks are interested. I wouldn't call the new generation pussified, I would just say that they don't care about big action heroes
The film wasn't anything special, but it was fun, and the fact that it bombed so hard is disappointing. I think that the new generation simply doesn't care all that much. Action films really aren't in right now. If they're not these big sci-fi epics or have some kind of supernatural angle to them, only the older generation that grew up with all those 80's and 90's flicks are interested. I wouldn't call the new generation pussified, I would just say that they don't care about big action heroes the way those of use who grew up with them did.
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1:54AM on 01/23/2013

It simply wasn't that good

I was counting plot holes within the first 10 minutes, which took me right out. Jaimie Alexander and Luis Guzman were completely wasted in this movie; they did their best but the script didn't give them a lot. I want him to succeed and I hope Arnold gets better roles in the future, but this wasn't a good comeback flick for him.
I was counting plot holes within the first 10 minutes, which took me right out. Jaimie Alexander and Luis Guzman were completely wasted in this movie; they did their best but the script didn't give them a lot. I want him to succeed and I hope Arnold gets better roles in the future, but this wasn't a good comeback flick for him.
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2:11AM on 01/23/2013
It's a film in the vain of a classic Arnie film. And you care about the plot holes? My biggest disappointment was there simply wasn't enough Arnold. I expected plot holes. Most of it was fun though and Jee-woon did an awesome directing job.
It's a film in the vain of a classic Arnie film. And you care about the plot holes? My biggest disappointment was there simply wasn't enough Arnold. I expected plot holes. Most of it was fun though and Jee-woon did an awesome directing job.
9:57PM on 01/23/2013
It depends on the plot holes. If I'm having fun, I can overlook the plot holes but there were just too many right off the top (mostly having to do with the getaway car sequence) that it took me right out of the film.

POSSIBLE SPOILER WARNING!!!!: Just as an example, all GM cars (including Corvettes) have had the Onstar Stolen Vehicle Slowdown System installed since 2008. All the cops have to do is get a visual, hit a switch and the car coasts to a stop. Of course, that would have made
It depends on the plot holes. If I'm having fun, I can overlook the plot holes but there were just too many right off the top (mostly having to do with the getaway car sequence) that it took me right out of the film.

POSSIBLE SPOILER WARNING!!!!: Just as an example, all GM cars (including Corvettes) have had the Onstar Stolen Vehicle Slowdown System installed since 2008. All the cops have to do is get a visual, hit a switch and the car coasts to a stop. Of course, that would have made for a much shorter movie. :P
11:18PM on 01/22/2013

A NUMBER OF ISSUES

A) The biggest problem is that Arnold took ten years off. That was his biggest mistake. We often complain about how clueless younger people are about the greats, but what we forget is that the world is always in motion, and always filtering out generations. Think about it. The people who are 17 right now were 7 years old when Arnold last headlined a movie, and while I was aware of Arnold's films when I was 7, not everyone is as film savvy at such a young age, especially of R-rated action films.
A) The biggest problem is that Arnold took ten years off. That was his biggest mistake. We often complain about how clueless younger people are about the greats, but what we forget is that the world is always in motion, and always filtering out generations. Think about it. The people who are 17 right now were 7 years old when Arnold last headlined a movie, and while I was aware of Arnold's films when I was 7, not everyone is as film savvy at such a young age, especially of R-rated action films. And I doubt that those 7-year-olds were brought up watching Arnold films in the ten-year interim when the BOURNE films and its imitators were ruling the box office. This same issue is true of Mel Gibson when EDGE OF DARKNESS came out. Taking a long hiatus out of the spotlight, regardless of tabloid scandal, is the worst thing a star--even as big as Arnold and Gibson were--could have made.

B) The tabloid scandals never help, especially for a star who has been out of the spotlight for a long time. All scandal does is cause people to pass judgement on you (something people LOVE to do), and since it's been so long since they last saw you in a new movie, they easily forget how great you were at your job, and therefore why they ever liked you in the first place. Most people only remember the most recent thing you did, and in this case, it was that scandalous behavior. Need an example? Compare Christian Bale's press during the release of the last two DARK KNIGHT films. In 2008, Bale was the big asshole who assaulted his mother and sister and bitched out a cinematographer. In 2012, he was the saint who went to visit the victims of the Aurora theater shooting.

C) The trailers were horrible, focusing on lame bits of dialogue ("I'm the SHERIFF!") and selling it as a jokey camp fest rather than push it as a hardcore action film, which is what audiences want nowadays. It also was not wise to push Johnny Knoxville. Lionsgate used to be the studio that found great films and sold THE FILM. They were the best at releasing cult films because they FOUND cult films. Then starting about five years ago, they began developing more films, and therefore began trying to MANUFACTURE cult film. In this process, they started casting these moderate celebrities with fan followings. This never worked out, as proven by their three Dane Cook-headlined films they were all box office disappointments. The marketing should've been focused entirely on ARNOLD, and ARNOLD alone. Sold as a huge event movie: THE RETURN OF A LEGEND.

D) It's possible that the brand of 80s and 90s action just doesn't sit well with modern audiences.They prefer DARK KNIGHT and BOURNE type of (enhanced) reality. While THE EXPENDABLES films were successful, those are event films. "Come see them all together!" The jury's still on whether or not Stallone and Arnold can still bring in the box office singlehandedly.

E) I don't usually associate politics with films, but it is a possibility that should be addressed: There is a lot of heated and emotional debate going on in the U.S. right now involving gun ownership, and a shoot-'em-up film portraying a group of locals unleashing their gun collections to fend off an external threat could be see as "too right-wing" for liberals, especially the kind of political person who believes that there is a political agenda hidden within EVERY form of entertainment.
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