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TV Review: The Walking Dead (Season 4, Episode 8, December 1, 2013)

Dec. 2, 2013by: J.A. Hamilton

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EPISODE 8: Too Far Gone

THE HOOK: In the wake of war with Woodbury, Rick and his group have turned the prison into a working community, but danger continues to stir on the outside as well as from within.

The following contains MAJOR SPOILERS, so I don't recommend reading this if you haven't watched this episode

THE LOWDOWN: There was no denying that tonights mid-season finale was going to be big, and it was. Now before we dig in Id like to point out that tonights series of events echoed the comics in a way that should please the masses (I was happy with it). My only wonder is, was this the way season four was always intended to run, or did they draw from the comics in an attempt to mend the anger fueled by the Governors overall presence and final battle in last seasons finale? Either way, I liked the Governors solo episodes and feel he went out in style tonight, but Ill get to that. The total devastation of the prison was a bold move, as was spreading out all the survivors much like they did at the end of season two. Lets just hope there was a backup plan, and we dont spend the rest of this season (and possibly next) finding/searching for everyone like they did with Sophia.

I have to hand it to the Governor, dude can give a speech, but seriously brah, no shots fired? No deaths? Please! He knows damn well Ricks not just going to roll over and let them take the prison. That said, I loved his talk with Hershel and Michonne, he was calm, collected and specifically told her there were no grudges between them. It was never going to fly, but it was nice to see him put it on the table. It was also nice to see him laugh with Meghan before he left. It was a happy moment, something his character thought hed never get again, something he needed to justify his actions. Sure, the Governors speech was half bullshit, but a part of him believed and/or wanted to be a good man, wanted to do right by these people. It was all a pipedream, but for a moment I was rooting for him. And then he cut off Hershels head. I had a feeling Hershel wouldnt survive the season (he dies early on in the comics), and last week when I saw he and Michonne were being taken prisoner, well, I had a bad feeling. Scott Wilson is a phenomenal actor and blew the role of Hershel Greene out of the park as far as Im concerned. His presence will be missed.

As far as the deaths go tonight, the one I was particularly disturbed by (aside from Hershel), was Meghan. I mean, what the f*ck was Lilly thinking, leaving her unattended like they were on a damn picnic!? First, dont sit there watching to see how far the damn walker can get across the water, get Meghan and get ready for it, but moreover, she shouldnt have been so far away playing like its a day at the beach. That scene infuriated me. And then bringing her to the battlefield and presenting her like that, I dont know, it felt off to me, and I sure as hell didnt expect to see Lilly pulling the damn trigger and delivering the killing stroke. I enjoyed the tussle between Rick and the Gov, but damn Rick, you got your ass beat to shit. Seeing Michonnes sword explode through the Governors chest was a welcome sight. She needed that kill, and Im glad it was herseven though I thought she should have taken his head. I was also not too happy about the bloody car seat, but Im assuming the bloods not the babys and the kids got to safety. Seeing Rick and Carls reaction was still gut-wrenching.

THE WALKING DEAD SEASON 4's eighth episode (mid-season finale) was like a dark and sinister cloud thats been growing for three weeks now. The Governors return, no matter how much he wanted to change, was never going to bode well. For anyone. The Carol talk between Rick and Daryl went much better than I expected (the dissected rat scene that followed was messed up), and now that the group is scattered and running in all directions, I have a funny feeling well be seeing Carol pop up again soon enough. It would also be nice to see who in hell wiped out that camp of people and took those supplies, but again, were likely to see that plot point pop up again real soon too (we need a new villain/threat now that the Governors toast). Of all the mini groups, Id hate to land in sketchy Bobs. Dudes clearly messed up and we dont know just how messed up yet, but hell, weve got kids with guns, scattered people from Woodbury and the Governors new group, its a real shit show, so things are definitely going to be interesting come February. See ya then peeps, and have a safe and happy holiday.

ZOMBIE KILL OF THE WEEK: There were a lot of kills, but I was particularly fond of Daryls walker/bullet proof vest. Way to improvise, brother.

BLOOD AND GORE: All hell breaks loose tonight. Theres walkers galore, dismemberment, explosions via tank, guns, bites and a beheading. Shit goes down hard.

WTF CHARACTER MOMENT: The Governor. Him actually turning over a new leaf has been the subject of much debate, but between his speeches and the way he cared for Meghan and Lilly, you almost want to believe it was possible. And then Rick makes it possible. Rick offers to take them all in, and let bygones be bygones. No, it wouldnt have been an easy transition, and maybe it would have ended up getting him killed in the long run, but if he truly cared for those people and truly wanted things to happen peacefully, he could have got that. Instead, he chose bloodshed, showing us there was never any hope for him.

COOLEST SCENE: I loved Ricks speech about being able to come back. In that moment before everything changes, Rick makes the right choice. Hershel sees it, the Governor resents him for it, but its perfect moment for Rick. Too bad it was short lived.

FINAL VERDICT:

TELL US WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF THIS EPISODE BELOW!

Extra Tidbit: Did this showdown make up for last seasons finale, or are you all still on the fence?

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6:51PM on 12/08/2013
Great episode...just saw it today as I'm in the UK. However, this should have been the season 3 ending. I feel like we've wasted 8 episodes that could have been used to take this show in a completely new direction. There's several points in this episode that also bug me. Rick was given a fair amount of time to speak to the other side - why did he not ask how many of them knew who their leader was - what he did before...when we was last here? Why didn't he respond to the Guv'nor's reference
Great episode...just saw it today as I'm in the UK. However, this should have been the season 3 ending. I feel like we've wasted 8 episodes that could have been used to take this show in a completely new direction. There's several points in this episode that also bug me. Rick was given a fair amount of time to speak to the other side - why did he not ask how many of them knew who their leader was - what he did before...when we was last here? Why didn't he respond to the Guv'nor's reference of Andrea with a, "and you killed her" (well he didn't actually do it but you know what I mean). The biggest let down was Rick getting his beating. Sure, Rick was shot in the leg...but the Guv'nor was shot in the arm. Anyone who saw the fight between Shane and Rick...would have surely concluded that should Rick and the Guv'nor ever have a throw down...thered only be one winner. Also...why the f did no one in the other group want to see the Guv'nor's two prisoners and talk with them? I know, I know, it's a tv show...and yes, it was still a great episode - loads of fun...but still, you can't but help think we'd do a lot better in these kind of situations if they ever happen (once wed come to terms with the dead rising :o)
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9:15PM on 12/03/2013
Best episode since Season 2's Season Finale.
Best episode since Season 2's Season Finale.
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9:54PM on 12/02/2013
Was a fantastic episode and a perfect mid season finale. Those who complain about this season being slow just simply want all the gore and kills without having much of a story line. To answer the poster's question, the people who raided the other camp are probably Sgt Abraham's crew, as Michael Cudlitz is attached to that role this season.
Was a fantastic episode and a perfect mid season finale. Those who complain about this season being slow just simply want all the gore and kills without having much of a story line. To answer the poster's question, the people who raided the other camp are probably Sgt Abraham's crew, as Michael Cudlitz is attached to that role this season.
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9:11PM on 12/02/2013
Someone else mentioned it too, but I found it odd that he'd behead Hershel rather than Michonne. He did say he forgave her, and I believed him, but still, if he had to choose you'd think it would have been her. Would never happen because she's a staple character, but it seemed wrong, unless you look at it like he wanted to destroy something pure, like Rick, or that he hated both of them for offering a chance at the true redemption he never wanted or expected to get.
Someone else mentioned it too, but I found it odd that he'd behead Hershel rather than Michonne. He did say he forgave her, and I believed him, but still, if he had to choose you'd think it would have been her. Would never happen because she's a staple character, but it seemed wrong, unless you look at it like he wanted to destroy something pure, like Rick, or that he hated both of them for offering a chance at the true redemption he never wanted or expected to get.
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10:21PM on 12/02/2013
He doesn't behead Michonne in the comics either. It is Michonne and Tyreese that are taken and Tyreese loses his head to the Governor. Hershel dies during the raid at the prison but he is running with his son and he is killed when he is executed by the Governor, if I remember correctly.
He doesn't behead Michonne in the comics either. It is Michonne and Tyreese that are taken and Tyreese loses his head to the Governor. Hershel dies during the raid at the prison but he is running with his son and he is killed when he is executed by the Governor, if I remember correctly.
8:58PM on 12/02/2013
Hate the Governor, glad to see him go. Been waiting for that moment since he was introduced. I too wanted Michone (who fu#*ing rocks btw...) to chop that assholes head off too, at least for some payback for Herschel. No way hersch should have gone out like that. Just let him die. But to chop the guys head off? Too much. Best episode of the season so far. Cant wait for Feb.
Hate the Governor, glad to see him go. Been waiting for that moment since he was introduced. I too wanted Michone (who fu#*ing rocks btw...) to chop that assholes head off too, at least for some payback for Herschel. No way hersch should have gone out like that. Just let him die. But to chop the guys head off? Too much. Best episode of the season so far. Cant wait for Feb.
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5:57PM on 12/02/2013

Zombie Nom Nom

It was certainly a shocker beheading one of the main characters but Im just glad were finally moving on from the Prison. The show needs more variety in its settings- the prison was the new farm from Season 2. Keep your appetite for zombies full until the 2nd half of this season with some zombie art and the Top 10 Zombie Movies of All Time at [link] ">
It was certainly a shocker beheading one of the main characters but Im just glad were finally moving on from the Prison. The show needs more variety in its settings- the prison was the new farm from Season 2. Keep your appetite for zombies full until the 2nd half of this season with some zombie art and the Top 10 Zombie Movies of All Time at [link]
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12:25PM on 12/02/2013
Why is everyone saying that Herschel died early on in the comics? He died during the raid on the prison of the Governor....by the Governor. He's the first person from the comics to die at the same time as their equivalent since Amy.
Why is everyone saying that Herschel died early on in the comics? He died during the raid on the prison of the Governor....by the Governor. He's the first person from the comics to die at the same time as their equivalent since Amy.
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1:29PM on 12/02/2013
I'm probably wrong and I don't feel like looking but didn't he die during the first raid on the prison?
I'm probably wrong and I don't feel like looking but didn't he die during the first raid on the prison?
9:13PM on 12/02/2013
I thought he died earlier in the comics too, but maybe I'm just thinking that because Robert Kirkman said that originally Hershel wasn't going to last past season two of the show. Either way, it would have been cool to see them break the mold further considering they killed Andrea and she's still currently in the comics. Hershel could have easily taken her place, but then again, his words of wisdom help keep these guys on track and maybe AMC are looking to throw them into chaos.
I thought he died earlier in the comics too, but maybe I'm just thinking that because Robert Kirkman said that originally Hershel wasn't going to last past season two of the show. Either way, it would have been cool to see them break the mold further considering they killed Andrea and she's still currently in the comics. Hershel could have easily taken her place, but then again, his words of wisdom help keep these guys on track and maybe AMC are looking to throw them into chaos.
10:14AM on 12/03/2013
Ok, I had to find out. He did die during the finale raid on the prison (Issue 48, Bullet to the dome by the Gov.). For some reason, I thought he did WAY earlier in the comics.
Ok, I had to find out. He did die during the finale raid on the prison (Issue 48, Bullet to the dome by the Gov.). For some reason, I thought he did WAY earlier in the comics.
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10:44AM on 12/02/2013
This was a big moment in the comics, and I was kind of hoping for something on par with the Red Wedding, where more main characters would die. I was totally expecting Maggie to play the role Lori did in this scene in the comic (especially when she went looking for Judith). That would've been harsh. But what we got hit hard enough. Excellent episode.
This was a big moment in the comics, and I was kind of hoping for something on par with the Red Wedding, where more main characters would die. I was totally expecting Maggie to play the role Lori did in this scene in the comic (especially when she went looking for Judith). That would've been harsh. But what we got hit hard enough. Excellent episode.
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10:27AM on 12/02/2013
Glad they didn't kill off Daryl, or i'd be done. The most delicious part for me was when the gung-ho lesbian got shot in the face by a little girl.
Glad they didn't kill off Daryl, or i'd be done. The most delicious part for me was when the gung-ho lesbian got shot in the face by a little girl.
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9:32AM on 12/02/2013

10/10

Best episode since the season 2 finale.

They should just stick to the comics from here on out, whenever they put the pages to screen the show shines. Final scene of Carl and Rick leaving the prison gave me goosebumps.

And as bad as this sounds, for the sake of the show, I hope Judith is dead.
Best episode since the season 2 finale.

They should just stick to the comics from here on out, whenever they put the pages to screen the show shines. Final scene of Carl and Rick leaving the prison gave me goosebumps.

And as bad as this sounds, for the sake of the show, I hope Judith is dead.
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9:30AM on 12/02/2013
Hands down, the best episode this season. This pretty much followed the comics to a tee. I loved when the Gov said "Kill'em All". Gave me goose bumps. I'm surprise you didn't see Lilly killing the Governor coming. Thats pretty much how it went down in the comics. I knew as soon as I heard her name in the first episode with the Gov, thats where it was going. I do have some complaints but very minimal. The first is with Meghan. Why the hell is this girl playing in the mud in the first place?
Hands down, the best episode this season. This pretty much followed the comics to a tee. I loved when the Gov said "Kill'em All". Gave me goose bumps. I'm surprise you didn't see Lilly killing the Governor coming. Thats pretty much how it went down in the comics. I knew as soon as I heard her name in the first episode with the Gov, thats where it was going. I do have some complaints but very minimal. The first is with Meghan. Why the hell is this girl playing in the mud in the first place? Its not sand, its fricking mud. And like you said, why is she is so far away from Lilly? This is still the zombie apocalypse. Second complaint is Rick. I'm tired of him being such a Vagina. Grow a set of balls and tell the Gov to go pound salt. Don't invite him in for a slumber party. But I did like his speech about "coming back". He also needs to stop crying. Kinda takes me out of the show when he does that. Maybe after this, he will be more pissed off like he is in the comics. Oh and who gave Judith to the kids in that episode? Did anyone else notice the way they were carrying her? See bouncing around in that car seat and for a second I thought she was going to fall out. That was some child endangerment right there. Other than that, I loved this episode. I cant wait for the second half of the season. I am getting kinda scared they are catching up with the comics. Im assuming next season will be Hilltop?
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9:27AM on 12/02/2013
I am NOT saying that major characters have to be killed off to make this show awesome, but THAT is was an episode to make me eat my words and look stupid when I said that the show had lost it.
I am NOT saying that major characters have to be killed off to make this show awesome, but THAT is was an episode to make me eat my words and look stupid when I said that the show had lost it.
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9:06AM on 12/02/2013

EPIC

Cannot wait for Feb. 9th!
Cannot wait for Feb. 9th!
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8:59AM on 12/02/2013
I was exhausted after this episode. The intensity was off the chart! I'm one of the people who was happy with last seasons finale, as it broke the trend of them moving at the end of each season and just added to the build up for episodes like this one. My only two thoughts are that one: the governor got off way to easy. He should've been left alive so the walkers could've torn him apart like he deserved. And two, killing Hershel was the obvious choice. They had been focusing on him a lot
I was exhausted after this episode. The intensity was off the chart! I'm one of the people who was happy with last seasons finale, as it broke the trend of them moving at the end of each season and just added to the build up for episodes like this one. My only two thoughts are that one: the governor got off way to easy. He should've been left alive so the walkers could've torn him apart like he deserved. And two, killing Hershel was the obvious choice. They had been focusing on him a lot lately, and he died early in the comics yes, but I wish they would've surprised me again and kept him on. It didnt make any sense that the governor would kill him before michonne. But I was definitely on the edge of my seat last night, and not many shows have that effect anymore. February seems like an eternity away..
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8:29AM on 12/02/2013
They took a different route in the series to come to this point, but I was actually quiet surprised it happen this intense. They've pushed the envelope as much as they could, to do the graphic novel justice but tonight was definitely the most emotional. A ton happen and the group has certainly been pushed to the brink on how strong they are. Love how the show portrayed Hershel, as I felt he was grumpier and always pushing the religious card on people in the graphic novel. A sad end to a great
They took a different route in the series to come to this point, but I was actually quiet surprised it happen this intense. They've pushed the envelope as much as they could, to do the graphic novel justice but tonight was definitely the most emotional. A ton happen and the group has certainly been pushed to the brink on how strong they are. Love how the show portrayed Hershel, as I felt he was grumpier and always pushing the religious card on people in the graphic novel. A sad end to a great character, but an episode definitely needed in the TV series.
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8:20AM on 12/02/2013
Great episode, and a kickass way to end the first half of the season. I think you're right about going back to the comic roots to make fans happy, because lets be honest here, people were pissed and disappointed after last season. They're on the right track now though, and I can't wait to see where they go next. Hated losing Hershel, but he lasted longer than I thought he would. Scott Wilson is a champ.
Great episode, and a kickass way to end the first half of the season. I think you're right about going back to the comic roots to make fans happy, because lets be honest here, people were pissed and disappointed after last season. They're on the right track now though, and I can't wait to see where they go next. Hated losing Hershel, but he lasted longer than I thought he would. Scott Wilson is a champ.
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6:00AM on 12/02/2013
Loved the article only point I would disagree with is this episode should have been a 10/10. This had everything going for it, this is the reason I watch TWD. You knew there were going to be fatalities, but like you I thought Michonne would have had a little more fun with the Gov, guess not. 2 kills really stand out for me in that episode the Gov holding Meghans body as he puts one in her head, and when one of the kids shoots the woman in the head as she is going after Tyreese, loved that
Loved the article only point I would disagree with is this episode should have been a 10/10. This had everything going for it, this is the reason I watch TWD. You knew there were going to be fatalities, but like you I thought Michonne would have had a little more fun with the Gov, guess not. 2 kills really stand out for me in that episode the Gov holding Meghans body as he puts one in her head, and when one of the kids shoots the woman in the head as she is going after Tyreese, loved that sequence of events. I loved that dipped back to the comics and look forward to the startup to see who made it out of the prison and see how much they play the psychopath role up in the second half of the season. I have ot say thus far this season could be my favorite or just slightly behind the first. Phew I am still stoked about this and cannot wait for Feb. Great articles J.A.
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