C'mon Hollywood #167

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Battosai
5:13AM on 07/30/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Frank Miller can pull this off.

If there's Anyone who can do it, it's him.

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Arvindh
12:28PM on 07/22/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

NO ROBIN

Maybe some of you are right when you say Nolan can make Robin work. He's made every other Batman element work so far, so why not Robin, right? Still, for some reason, I can't see or accept Robin in Nolan's version of Gotham. Not now, at least. To me, Batman's always meant to be a loner. He does what he does alone. People like Robin or Nightwing and especially Batgirl just ruin that mystique. No...

Maybe some of you are right when you say Nolan can make Robin work. He's made every other Batman element work so far, so why not Robin, right? Still, for some reason, I can't see or accept Robin in Nolan's version of Gotham. Not now, at least. To me, Batman's always meant to be a loner. He does what he does alone. People like Robin or Nightwing and especially Batgirl just ruin that mystique. Nope, No Robin for me. I'd rather see six whole Batman flicks without the dude...and then maybe, just MAYBE, a small hint of him.

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DeejayForte
2:30AM on 07/04/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

jesus christ, 7 pages and im just chiming in now to just say, jesus christ

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sbunn10
4:59PM on 07/03/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

forget robin

now.. this isn't solid, and I dont know where, but my brother read that Robin would not be involved in the Nolan batman trilogy... I hope his source was good..

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stickmangrit
1:29PM on 07/02/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

roguesmurf

thank you, you just absolutely nailed it. and as for the earlier comment about loner batman vs mentor batman, wouldn't it make sense for Nolan to close his trilogy with the transition between the two? and how kickass would it be to end this trilogy with that last page from DV, with Bats swearing in Robin in the cave?

and furthermore, did we question Nolan when the Joker had makeu...

thank you, you just absolutely nailed it. and as for the earlier comment about loner batman vs mentor batman, wouldn't it make sense for Nolan to close his trilogy with the transition between the two? and how kickass would it be to end this trilogy with that last page from DV, with Bats swearing in Robin in the cave?

and furthermore, did we question Nolan when the Joker had makeup? did we question him when Joker had a glassgow smile? did we question the runtime or the introduction of Dent's full story? or did we realize that we're talking about a filmmaker who's got five solid to great films under his belt, including the perfect live action rendition of Batman's character. and even if we did doubt, the first clips of Ledger washed all of that away. Nolan's gotten us this far by being true to the characters and the spirit of the books, if anyone can put DV robin on a screen and make it work, it's Nolan.

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RogueSmurf6
7:55AM on 07/02/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Yes Robin!

For everyone who keeps referring to Robin as just a kid in tights, what do you think Batman wore before they gave him a movie version costume?

Anyway, I've always held the belief that Batman Begins was practically screaming to introduce Robin down the line. Think about it, every character in that movie, with the exception of Rachel, was a surrogate father figure for Bruce. Everyo...

For everyone who keeps referring to Robin as just a kid in tights, what do you think Batman wore before they gave him a movie version costume?

Anyway, I've always held the belief that Batman Begins was practically screaming to introduce Robin down the line. Think about it, every character in that movie, with the exception of Rachel, was a surrogate father figure for Bruce. Everyone from Alfred and Lucius to Ras and that evil corporate guy who wanted to take over Wayne Industries. The natural progression of that is to eventually turn Bruce into a father figure himself. He learns from those men and passes it along. They say the line, 'why do we fall?' so many times that it's common sense to eventually have Bruce say it to someone.

What's more, all of those father figures, like Alfred, Lucius and Gordon, will never understand or approve of Bruce being Batman. They will accept it and help him, but they won't get it. Robin is that approval. Robin represents the idea that Bruce is not alone in his belief of being a costumed crimefighter. And like someone said before, Robin represents the continuation of Batman. If Bruce truly wants to create an idea and not just a man, then he has to have a way for Batman to continue after he dies. Training an apprentice is the logical step.

And if the news of the new movie is to be believed, Gotham becomes an even darker place and Batman is on the verge of cracking up. Robin is the balance that keeps Bruce Wayne from going insane and losing himself in his dark identity.

So Robin represents a lot in the Batman-mythos. He's not just some cuddly kid or Burt Ward. He's one of the reasons that Batman sticks out as a dark vigilante. Do you know how many dark vigilantes there are in the comic world? Probably not because none of them matter as much as Batman. And it's not just because Batman has been around for a long time. It's because Batman's world is so fascinating, and Robin is a part of that world.

Also, Nolan's comments about Dick being in a crib somewhere are wrong. Bruce turned 30 in Batman Begins. Does that mean, if Robin is around 10 when he joins Batman, that Bruce is in his 40s by the time he gets Robin? Then his 50s by the time Robin becomes Nightwing?

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Random490
11:20PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

You can make it work

There's definitely a way to make Robin work, specially with Nolan in three easy steps
1. Make him late teens early 20's, no kid side kick crap
2. give a good reason, make him some one living in the Narrows (parent died as a kid, keep the circus). Make him become a bit of an informant, working kind of like Gordon. Eventually working more into Batman's confidence. Have a nice Bruce/...

There's definitely a way to make Robin work, specially with Nolan in three easy steps
1. Make him late teens early 20's, no kid side kick crap
2. give a good reason, make him some one living in the Narrows (parent died as a kid, keep the circus). Make him become a bit of an informant, working kind of like Gordon. Eventually working more into Batman's confidence. Have a nice Bruce/Ducard theme
3. Maybe no costume, or stick with a Nightwing look.

Just look at the idea of a side kick seriously and throw away previous notions of camp. the Nolan verse has a lot you can do with

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pooisfuntoeat
10:20PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

READ BATMAN DARK VICTORY

I'm not saying that this is a great Robin story, but it is the only Robin story that I can stomach. Seriously, if it is done in this way, then you get dick grayson the whole movie and robin only in the last 5 minutes. Seriously, if anyone thinks it is impossible to do a decent Robin story, please read BATMAN DARK VICTORY. IT IS ALSO THE THIRD BOOK IN THE TRILOGY OF BATMAN'S RISE (BATMAN BEGI...

I'm not saying that this is a great Robin story, but it is the only Robin story that I can stomach. Seriously, if it is done in this way, then you get dick grayson the whole movie and robin only in the last 5 minutes. Seriously, if anyone thinks it is impossible to do a decent Robin story, please read BATMAN DARK VICTORY. IT IS ALSO THE THIRD BOOK IN THE TRILOGY OF BATMAN'S RISE (BATMAN BEGINS is loosely based on the 1st book BATMAN YEAR ONE & THE DARK KNIGHT is loosely based on the 2nd book BATMAN THE LONG HALLOWEEN)

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drwcomics
6:46PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I agree

completely with the last two comments made. Robin CAN work in a Batman movie. Not as the wisecracking kid-sidekick, but as the young troubled kid who will one day replace Batman when Bruce is too old to wear the cowl. I'd go into more detail, but advancedrebel said it perfectly, took the words right out of my mouth (or keyboard..?..)

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anomaly7
6:42PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

For me there are two batmans: the loner batman, and the mentor batman. Nolan did great with the loner batman and i personally feel that should be the theme of his trilogy. Why mess with something that works? I've always wondered if Nolan could pull off a great Robin character, but I don't think it fits with his vision. Not that I don't like robin, just not with Bale's batman.

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lalex81
6:38PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Robin can work

You just have to drift from the comics, or blend the different Robins to get an interesting gritty character.

Make Grayson lose he's parents at the Circus, but Bruce won't be there, they should only meet a few months later when Grayson has been from foster home to foster home having a shit time and he sneaks out at night spying on criminals to find who's responsable for he's pare...

You just have to drift from the comics, or blend the different Robins to get an interesting gritty character.

Make Grayson lose he's parents at the Circus, but Bruce won't be there, they should only meet a few months later when Grayson has been from foster home to foster home having a shit time and he sneaks out at night spying on criminals to find who's responsable for he's parents death.
Batman see's him a couple of times, saves he's ass and sends him home, but bumps into him again and again and realizes that the kid needs direction, a mentor, and he provides this to him but WITHOUT adopting him. At least not right away. I think the living together part wouldn't work in a movie.

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advancedrebel
5:22PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

come on, Robin deserves his shot too.

The character can work. Your main argument against him is based mainly on the basis that he hasn't worked very well in live-action before. These attempts were not really done by people who wanted to give Robin some semblance of versimilitude. No, Robin in live-action has been done as a joke in the sixties show and a potential homosexual partner in the Schumacher Batman world. You can't have an ...

The character can work. Your main argument against him is based mainly on the basis that he hasn't worked very well in live-action before. These attempts were not really done by people who wanted to give Robin some semblance of versimilitude. No, Robin in live-action has been done as a joke in the sixties show and a potential homosexual partner in the Schumacher Batman world. You can't have an adult playing a late teenager in that outfit. But you can have a young skilled robin hood/zorro acrobat. I don't think the franchise should become about Batman and Robin. But i do beleive that a film can introduce Robin correctly (a 14-15 years old squire for the dark knight) in which the kid would use what's left of the life he had (read: circus outfit, gymnast skills and youthful enthusiasm) to get his revenge. At the end of the film Bruce sends him abroad to study and learn about the world (off to his own spin-off film: Nightwing. In which he builds his own tool to inspire fear in the heart of criminals!

Even Batgirl could work. (I would have her be crippled by the end of the third act tough)

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iammarshall
5:19PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Grayson

Look up the fan film Grayson on Youtube and tell me again why Robin Can't be a badass!

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nford_rider
5:13PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

If done right, like in Dark Victory, it could work very well. I would trust Nolan to pull it off. I would still prefer it without Robin, but I think they could make it work.

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iammarshall
5:12PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Grayson

Look up the fan film Grayson on Youtube and tell me again why Robin Can't be a badass!

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AaronisMe
5:12PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Works only on animation I feel. This Batman universe especially. Unless they made the character really really interesting like turn him into a homeless crackhead who suffers from molestation issues. But ultimately, I think Robin takes too much attention away from Batman. It should be at the core, always about Bruce Wayne/Batman

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Demanak
4:48PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Come on, Schmoes!

I don't hate Robin that I don't wanna see him in the flick, but I can live without him, too. That said, if Robin is in the next chapter, then trust Chris Nolan to do it right. How did the idea of Robin make everyone forget what a fantastic filmmaker he is? I believe in Christopher Nolan!

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Dark Knight
4:41PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

FOR ONCE ....

... I'm 100% with Sturdy. No Robin, no Batwoman, no Batgirl, no Nightwing, there is only Batman. He's always been sort of a loner (even in the Justice League). Besides, Robin's costume was always so ... ugh ...

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dreamfall
4:35PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I'm still can't decide if i'd want Robin in Nolan's Batman movies. I mean the little tight wearing kid image just doesnt fit the tone of Batman Begins or the Dark Knight. But knowing Nolan he could create Robin in a new way and make him something of his own. So I'm still undecided. If they do add him he definately needs a different costume than those super short shorts!

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Kid_Zombie
4:29PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I wouldn't be surprised if Nolan puts Robin in the third movie. The dark Knight is heavily based off of The long halloween and the sequel to that is Dark Victory which is the conclution of two faces orgin and the orgin of robin. Robin can be done very well if done the same way as in Dark Victory.
The dynamic of Batman/Bruce wayne trying to be a father figure to a boy who wants revenge f...

I wouldn't be surprised if Nolan puts Robin in the third movie. The dark Knight is heavily based off of The long halloween and the sequel to that is Dark Victory which is the conclution of two faces orgin and the orgin of robin. Robin can be done very well if done the same way as in Dark Victory.
The dynamic of Batman/Bruce wayne trying to be a father figure to a boy who wants revenge for the deaths of his family is and would be a great story to tell. I always found it weird how much people say the dynamic duo is gay when i have always saw it as a father son relationship.
or is it just me thinking that when people think a young boy and a old man are in a relationship is just creepy and fucked up?

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Jerkoff
4:12PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

ROBIN

I say he will work. In fact, seeing a tough as nails kid deal with that same angst is what happenned in Begins, only Alfred is not Bruce, so the dynamic with Bruce being the mentor would be so much better. But, he'd have to be one truly talented kid.

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TrailerFreak215
4:04PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Linda Cardellini

Good article.

I think Linda Cardellini and John Francis Daley need to be on a good show again.

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theshadowalker
3:52PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Batman good.

Robin...not so much.

It's hard to be 'The Dark Knight' when your squire is an underaged, annoying little $#!+ dressed in bright, primary colours.

Even Tim Burton understood this.

Joel Schumacher...not so much.

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HedwigX
3:25PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I agree...

That we shouldn't see Robin in the Dick Grayson mould of the character, but how about a female Robin, as Frank Miller did in "The Dark Knight Returns"? We can take out that gymnast shit and have a Robin who's closer to Carrie Kelley, which wouldn't be totally franchise-wrecking for Nolan's Batman.
For the most part, I agree that Batman works best solo, but if they want to introduce Robin...

That we shouldn't see Robin in the Dick Grayson mould of the character, but how about a female Robin, as Frank Miller did in "The Dark Knight Returns"? We can take out that gymnast shit and have a Robin who's closer to Carrie Kelley, which wouldn't be totally franchise-wrecking for Nolan's Batman.
For the most part, I agree that Batman works best solo, but if they want to introduce Robin, I'd advocate the Miller route.

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redwhisper13
3:16PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Just say no to Robin

I whole-heartedly agree that introducing Robin to this franchise would be a death knell. I have NEVER liked Robin and have always felt, yes, that his character is forced and the relationship with Batman and Robin is very homoerotic.

I agree with FenderBoy, I don't think Nolan will see the need to introduce Robin, its unnecessary. His films are brilliant on their own and Bale ...

I whole-heartedly agree that introducing Robin to this franchise would be a death knell. I have NEVER liked Robin and have always felt, yes, that his character is forced and the relationship with Batman and Robin is very homoerotic.

I agree with FenderBoy, I don't think Nolan will see the need to introduce Robin, its unnecessary. His films are brilliant on their own and Bale needs no supporting character, he is totally strong enough to uphold a movie all his own. So, I'm not really worried.

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randomerratum
3:16PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I agree with attikus

The Nolan Batman is different then we've ever seen on film - We can trust that a Nolan Robin would be just as convincing - especially with the type of plot attikus describes below. I trust nolan as a director - there's no reason to be criticizing this stuff yet. Everybody calm down.

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attikus
3:06PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Robin can exist in Nolanverse

Just rewatch Batman Begins and subsitute Ras/Ducard for Bruce and Bruce for Rich Grayson. Bruce can see himself in the kid and want to harness the boy's anger and rage into something good...he could also be training someone to eventually take his place...he can't be Batman Forever. To make things even more real world, I would make Grayson 9 years old, the same age Bruce was when his parents wer...

Just rewatch Batman Begins and subsitute Ras/Ducard for Bruce and Bruce for Rich Grayson. Bruce can see himself in the kid and want to harness the boy's anger and rage into something good...he could also be training someone to eventually take his place...he can't be Batman Forever. To make things even more real world, I would make Grayson 9 years old, the same age Bruce was when his parents were killed...and it would be a happy period in Gotham...there's less need of Batman and Bruce is engaged to a girl named Talia. Bruce sees a boy who's parents are killed in front of him and Bruce and Talia decide to adopt him (adoption is all the rage in Hollywood, jolie-Pitt, ect.). Nothing happens until Grayson is 18. Then he discovers that Bruce is Batman and Bats trains him until the boy is ready to join the War which is starting all over again.

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cupajoe
2:53PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I always thought that instead of putting robin in a batman movie just give robin his own movie like the comics. It could be a totally different feel then the batman's lately and if the series is shockingly hit then incorporate him in a batman flick.

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FenderBoy
2:51PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

No Robin on Film!

I'm a longtime diehard Batman fan. Nolan's Batman is the best thing to happen to the character in ages. Not a big fan of Robin. Robin would totally ruin this. Besides, Nolan has said he has no intention of using Robin. It just wouldn't work. So I'm not worried at all, it's not going to happen.

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lastmass
2:39PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Ehhh

It depends on a lot for robin to work. the age they make him, the background they follow, and how his story will tie into the villian of the movie. I'm not blown away by this news but i'm not totally going to put it down. Who knows if all went well we might beable to pull i kick ass nightwing movie. That i'd like to see.

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tobiasjenn
2:29PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

NO WAY!

i love this site and all but no way! robin is a big part of the batman universe and to leave him out would be a bad move i feel, and since these movies are loosely based on year one and the long halloween it would only make sense they would base the third film on the third book Dark Victory. And if anyone has ever read Dark Victory theyll see that Robin was in it but only for about less than ha...

i love this site and all but no way! robin is a big part of the batman universe and to leave him out would be a bad move i feel, and since these movies are loosely based on year one and the long halloween it would only make sense they would base the third film on the third book Dark Victory. And if anyone has ever read Dark Victory theyll see that Robin was in it but only for about less than half the book

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RideTheExpress
2:26PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Highly unlikely

The only wy it could work is if they completely rewrote the character or went with Nightwing which would be difficult to do without first going through Robin's story.

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DarkElfa
2:24PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Let's see it

I say let it be. If anyone can do it right, it will be Nolan and I'd love to see someone make Robin cool for once.

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IamNoOne666
2:21PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Tim Drake and Dick Grayson Robins are great. I think Christopher Nolan could do something really good with him. I think the people that have a problem with Robin need to read more comics.

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loucifer
1:19PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I agree with hoylehaw. Robin has been a part of batman's life for a long time and it created nightwing and gave us the "Death in the Family" storyline. I'm not saying he should be in the third movie but I trust nolan.

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xxxoverridexxx
1:17PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Ebay auction for Dark Knight Imax midnight show tickets: $152.50 and still going

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DeejayForte
12:22PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

i always felt HoyleHaw was the smartest schmoe on joblo. a beer for you sir

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darqjade
12:16PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

100%

I'm a HUGE Batman fan and could never find fault with the character, until Robin came into the picture. I think he should have never been related to Batman. In all respects, he weakens what we look at when we see Batman, [link] The only movie Robin should be seen in is Teen Titans, with maybe a brief , very brief cameo by the Bats. Let's hope...

I'm a HUGE Batman fan and could never find fault with the character, until Robin came into the picture. I think he should have never been related to Batman. In all respects, he weakens what we look at when we see Batman, [link] The only movie Robin should be seen in is Teen Titans, with maybe a brief , very brief cameo by the Bats. Let's hope Nolan hates this guy as much as we do. (I stopped watching The Batman cartoon, just because they brought Robin, not to mention Batgirl into the picture). Batman DOESN'T NEED A SIDEKICK!

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snoopmish
12:14PM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I agree with stickmangrit...A Robin could work with it done like it was in Dark Victory. That was a perfect way to introduce the character and have none of what is feared in this column.

If you haven't read it....than you can't say a Robin wouldn't work in the frame of these films. Because that story is written very much like these films.

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Halik
11:50AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Going off of these points why are Alfred and Bruce not considered to be gay? Anyways I do like the Robin character however I never wanted the character to be partners with Batman or even interact with him. His name and costume do not fit with any serious take on Batman. The only idea I can think of is in Batman Begins Bruce clearly states he becomes Batman to inspire others and to be a symbol m...

Going off of these points why are Alfred and Bruce not considered to be gay? Anyways I do like the Robin character however I never wanted the character to be partners with Batman or even interact with him. His name and costume do not fit with any serious take on Batman. The only idea I can think of is in Batman Begins Bruce clearly states he becomes Batman to inspire others and to be a symbol maybe Nightwing/Robin could be one of those characters he inspires never being a partner but some kid whose costume and such is thrown together by some other altruistic young man who has the same beliefs as Bruce. If your worried about people believing Bruce to be gay if you introduce Robin why not introduce Catwoman too to balance it out?

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sugarontop
11:38AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

THANK YOU CYNDY

It seems all too commonplace in articles and elsewhere on this site to amplify male/male relationships, to imply (or state outright) that any such relationships are homosexual and, in doing so, express homophobic sentiment. Fact is: homoeroticism does exist in film, in sports, and in art. Another fact: just because two men are together doesn't mean they're gay. And one more: why is it that ...

It seems all too commonplace in articles and elsewhere on this site to amplify male/male relationships, to imply (or state outright) that any such relationships are homosexual and, in doing so, express homophobic sentiment. Fact is: homoeroticism does exist in film, in sports, and in art. Another fact: just because two men are together doesn't mean they're gay. And one more: why is it that the most vocal about such relationships always seem, to me, to be the "most masculine" guys about? Something to prove? Something to lose? Something?

Anyway, brava to Cyndy.

And, um, Robin was my favorite when I was a child and watched the show.

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stickmangrit
11:35AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

robin

firstly, when considering robin, forget anything you've seen onscreen(including the animated series). those range from shit(B&R) to okay but relying on us accepting him as a given(BTAS).

from what i've heard of DK, they're setting up Robin perfectly. IF they decide to do Robin, Dark Victory MUST be the template. over the course of DK, Bats evidently gets a whole slew of fresh men...

firstly, when considering robin, forget anything you've seen onscreen(including the animated series). those range from shit(B&R) to okay but relying on us accepting him as a given(BTAS).

from what i've heard of DK, they're setting up Robin perfectly. IF they decide to do Robin, Dark Victory MUST be the template. over the course of DK, Bats evidently gets a whole slew of fresh mental scars, not to mention the loss of an important ally(Dent). he starts back on the thought process that he has to do this on his own, and that he might not be able to save Gotham. he starts getting obsessive and excessively dark, until he goes to the circus(his mother loved it). at this point the Grayson parents die, and Bruce sees one more kid robbed of his family by the corruption of Gotham. however, Dick knows who killed his parents, and is quite eager to go deal with the problem. eventually Bruce realizes that he needs help, and that Robin can offer him aid and perspective he wouldn't otherwise have. not to mention that for the indestructible symbol of Batman he was talking about on the plane in Begins to work, somebody has to be ready to replace the guy in the suit if need be. Robin is there to carry on the tradition when Bruce can't do it anymore.

the keys here are that Robin must be YOUNG, as in twelve to fourteen. he's got to be young enough for the surrogate parent aspect of the relationship to work, but old enough to do stunt work. the parallels between young bruce and dick must be the reason for taking him in.

though if Nolan wanted to get really interesting, he could always stick Carrie Kelly in there.

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h
11:28AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Not a chance

Nolan has made it very clear, on record, that Robin will not be in this Batman universe. And amen to that.

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Crimson_Kahuna
11:06AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

the only reason...

... I don't want to see Robin introduced is that it takes screen time and focus away from Batman and the villians. It would muddle the story by adding another element that is unnecessary.

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BloodyNinjaFist
10:55AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

red poop

Nolan already said that robin will never come into play....as long as he's directing. Robin was always great for the comics!

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Cyndy
10:41AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Oh, brother!

I'll concede that the series can do without Robin, but do you really need to stretch every man-man relationship into some kind of kinky scenario?

It reeks of homophobia, which is SO 20th century.

I'm not a big comic fan and even I know the connection between Batman and Robin began as a surrogate father-son relationship. Leave well enough alone.

Even ...

I'll concede that the series can do without Robin, but do you really need to stretch every man-man relationship into some kind of kinky scenario?

It reeks of homophobia, which is SO 20th century.

I'm not a big comic fan and even I know the connection between Batman and Robin began as a surrogate father-son relationship. Leave well enough alone.

Even if your hypersensitive fears were true, what's wrong with a strong-if-not-flawed depiction of a gay relationship in mainstream characters?

It happens, my friend, and not all homosexuals adhere to society's stereotypes of Spandex pants and limp wrists.

Two thumbs down ... and a SNAP.

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Joey D
9:28AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Really?

Robin is part of the Batman mythos, as someone already said, 'he belongs.'

With this incredibly dark take that Nolan is bringing to the latest silvery rendition of Batman, the traits and characteristics of Robin work perfectly. In the comics, Robin isn't just some wussy gymnast who does somersaults and handstands while Bats solves crimes, no, he's right there in the line of fire...

Robin is part of the Batman mythos, as someone already said, 'he belongs.'

With this incredibly dark take that Nolan is bringing to the latest silvery rendition of Batman, the traits and characteristics of Robin work perfectly. In the comics, Robin isn't just some wussy gymnast who does somersaults and handstands while Bats solves crimes, no, he's right there in the line of fire. The second Robin even lost his life because of the work.

Robin is one of the two people (Alfred being the other) that Bruce Wayne looks to in his times of extreme need. When the Bat is becoming to much for Wayne to handle, here comes Robin to share the load (don't read into that one too much).

Batman doesn't work without Robin. He's to solitary. He needs balance, and that's what Robin brings. He needs a level of innocence and recklessness that comes from Tim Drake, Dick Grayson or Jason Todd. Think about The Killing Joke...that book brought Batman to all sorts of new levels, thanks to the mechanic that came from Robin.

Subtract the craptastic on-screen renditions of Robin from the equation, throw in Dixon's take, Loeb and Sale's take, Jim Lee's artistic take, hell, Morrison's take and then you've got a film Robin worth enjoying.

He got rid of those tighty-greenies a while ago now, even he knew they sucked.

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HoyleHaw
9:23AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

If Robin were a vigilante in his own right, sort of a wannabe Batman, gritty loner and all, who happens to bump into the Caped Crusader, and basically the whole time trying to one-up each other minus the mentor/mentee relationship, that could work in Nolan's universe. A slight nod to the YouTube generation that while Batman is an original, a whole generation has been inspired to be like him, an...

If Robin were a vigilante in his own right, sort of a wannabe Batman, gritty loner and all, who happens to bump into the Caped Crusader, and basically the whole time trying to one-up each other minus the mentor/mentee relationship, that could work in Nolan's universe. A slight nod to the YouTube generation that while Batman is an original, a whole generation has been inspired to be like him, and Robin is simply the best one (maybe it's being a gymnast, maybe not).

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Joey D
9:23AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Really?

Robin is part of the Batman mythos, as someone already said, 'he belongs.'

With this incredibly dark take that Nolan is bringing to the latest silvery rendition of Batman, the traits and characteristics of Robin work perfectly. In the comics, Robin isn't just some wussy gymnast who does somersaults and handstands while Bats solves crimes, no, he's right there in the line of fire...

Robin is part of the Batman mythos, as someone already said, 'he belongs.'

With this incredibly dark take that Nolan is bringing to the latest silvery rendition of Batman, the traits and characteristics of Robin work perfectly. In the comics, Robin isn't just some wussy gymnast who does somersaults and handstands while Bats solves crimes, no, he's right there in the line of fire. The second Robin even lost his life because of the work.

Robin is one of the two people (Alfred being the other) that Bruce Wayne looks to in his times of extreme need. When the Bat is becoming to much for Wayne to handle, here comes Robin to share the load (don't read into that one too much).

Batman doesn't work without Robin. He's to solitary. He needs balance, and that's what Robin brings. He needs a level of innocence and recklessness that Tim Drake, Dick Grayson or Jason Todd. Think about The Killing Joke...that book brought Batman to all sorts of new levels, thanks to the mechanic that came from Robin.

Subtract the craptastic on-screen renditions of Robin from the equation, throw in Dixon's take, Loeb and Sale's take, Jim Lee's artistic take, hell, Morrison's take and then you've got a film Robin worth enjoying.

He got rid of those tighty-greenies a while ago now, even he knew they sucked.

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MetalJoker
9:18AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

part 3 sucks

Everyone knows that lately the last movie of a trilogy is the worst. And I fear that if Nolan introduces Robin in part 3 this is exactly what will happen. Maybe it will be better that Batman Forever or Batman & Robin, or maybe it will be almost the same as Batman Forever (I can't lower Nolan to the level of Batman & Robin)I'll keep neutral on this for a while

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JimmyJamOn
9:12AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

No Robin, Please!

I know I'm ahead of my time. I log on today, and what do I see? A blog about Robin. Please, please, Mr. Nolan and Hollywood- NO Robin! Don't do it! I've been a Batman fan for over 40 years now, and whenever the Robin character is introduced, it scews it up. Period. Don't mess with perfection. This new Batman installment is movie nirvana. I've never liked Robin; I believe it's got a lot to do wi...

I know I'm ahead of my time. I log on today, and what do I see? A blog about Robin. Please, please, Mr. Nolan and Hollywood- NO Robin! Don't do it! I've been a Batman fan for over 40 years now, and whenever the Robin character is introduced, it scews it up. Period. Don't mess with perfection. This new Batman installment is movie nirvana. I've never liked Robin; I believe it's got a lot to do with Burt Ward when I was a kid. Please, NO Robin!

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Netforce
8:56AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I agree with the article. So far the movie doesn't leave any room to introduce Robin. What I would hope to see in the third film is Bane character. I know that we have in "Batman and Robin" was a really really weak Bane. If Nolan is still on board for the third film, he might be able to pull off a really bada** Bane.

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Britelite
7:43AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Mabye

They could bring in Nightwing.

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Lucky Denver
7:42AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

It's doubtful we will see Robin

Guys, look at the timeline! We won't see Robin in this franchise unless Nolan contradicts or forgets what he said in the first one. When Begins came out he said Robin was "still in a crib somewhere." Now, The Dark Knight is set a year after that. I know this from the line delivered by The Joker to the mob in the trailer. There is no way the third movie is going to skip that far ahead.

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dellamorte dellamore
7:24AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

I always imagined a scenario where Robin betrays Batman . Not simply the youthful rebellion that was present in Forever and B and R , but something darker , like Robin joining forces with one of Bat's nemeses in order to murder him or something .

He somewhat did in B and R , with the whole Poison Ivy thing , she got them to fight amongst each other , but we know how that...

I always imagined a scenario where Robin betrays Batman . Not simply the youthful rebellion that was present in Forever and B and R , but something darker , like Robin joining forces with one of Bat's nemeses in order to murder him or something .

He somewhat did in B and R , with the whole Poison Ivy thing , she got them to fight amongst each other , but we know how that turned out . I still think it could work if taken seriously , because his character did work in Forever , and i loved the dynamic between the two in that film .

If we can have multiple villains , why not multiple heroes , come on , all his partners in crimefighting in these latest incarnations are taking geritol , of retirement age , or pretty much just relying on bat's to do everything . I want a partner who will go out into the night with him , not just moral support .

I know , he has Fox , Alfred , and Gordon to help him , but they are basically on the sidelines , i want someone to go out in the trenches with Batman . Robin is a huge part of the Batman mythos , and so far all we have is the cheesy offering from the 60s , an excellent one in Forever , and a dreadful one in B and R .

I definitely want to see Robin eventually , but the messed up thing is , one of the men most qualified to do his character justice , is probably the last person that would even think of utilizing him in one of his Batman films . Plus , Bale said he would hate to see Robin in any of the films , who does he think he is , Micheal Keaton , he dropped out after he saw the script for Forever , wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that R would be in the third ( that and the day glo colors ;) ) .

There is one good thing , if they foist Robin on the series , at least Bale would be pissed off and angst ridden for real , he wouldn't have to act , could be interesting .

Anyway , the bigger question is , how are they going to top the Joker , this could be the high point anyway , Robin may bring in some freshness . We already know Two Face will be at least one of the villains in part 3 , so it seems , and he's just a lesser version of Joker ( he's psychotic , but only half of the time LOL ) , who wants the same exact things , destroy Batman and dominate Gotham , it's sort of redundant .

Bring back Robin !!!

Now i know for sure it's never going to happen :D

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pheadx
7:22AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

NO IMAGINATION?

oh c'mon. do you have no imagination? Robin would totally work as a young indealist, without any gymnast b*shit. a future journalist, who accomplices Batman, much like what watson is to sherlock. a young idealist who helps batman, whether the dark knight wants it or not... and they start a sort of friendship/bond, father/son, without much talking, robin does the detective work and they form a s...

oh c'mon. do you have no imagination? Robin would totally work as a young indealist, without any gymnast b*shit. a future journalist, who accomplices Batman, much like what watson is to sherlock. a young idealist who helps batman, whether the dark knight wants it or not... and they start a sort of friendship/bond, father/son, without much talking, robin does the detective work and they form a strong friendship, understanding each other, until robin becomes a little too obsessed...

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pheadx
7:19AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

NO IMAGINATION?

oh c'mon. do you have no imagination? Robin would totally work as a young indealist, without any gymnast b*shit. a future journalist, who accomplices Batman, much like what watson is to sherlock. a young idealist who helps batman, whether the dark knight wants it or not... and they start a sort of friendship/bond, father/son, without much talking, robin does the detective work and they form a s...

oh c'mon. do you have no imagination? Robin would totally work as a young indealist, without any gymnast b*shit. a future journalist, who accomplices Batman, much like what watson is to sherlock. a young idealist who helps batman, whether the dark knight wants it or not... and they start a sort of friendship/bond, father/son, without much talking, robin does the detective work and they form a strong friendship, understanding each other, until robin becomes a little too obsessed...

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Dragonlord101
7:15AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

The only way...

That using Robin would work is if he was just a cameo of a gymnast in the circus- but not as a partner to this era's Batman. I never really liked Robin, but I can see where the character would work on paper; but not on film. Let's leave those two horrid wastes of celluloid alone like the mutant that we never talk about that lives in the attic please.

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JLDFilms
7:12AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

You know, I'm probably the only person who'll say this. BATMAN FOREVER was a really fun and entertaining movie and it introduced Robin perfectly. If Nolan can do a similar thing for Robin in his third film (not saying he will, just a what if.) and kinda beef it up a bit, I'd welcome Robin!

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bigred760
7:10AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Pretty good discussion in the Batman discussion board: [link]

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jeeh
7:06AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Wrong

Obviously you haven't read Batman: Dark Victory. it's a pretty famous graphic novel and a second part, the first one being The Long Halloween.
These 2 novels tell us the story of how Harvey Dent became Two-Face while fighting Falcone (sound familiar?). Somewhere halfway Dark Victory Robin is introduced.

I understand why some are against Robin in a third movie, for obviou...

Obviously you haven't read Batman: Dark Victory. it's a pretty famous graphic novel and a second part, the first one being The Long Halloween.
These 2 novels tell us the story of how Harvey Dent became Two-Face while fighting Falcone (sound familiar?). Somewhere halfway Dark Victory Robin is introduced.

I understand why some are against Robin in a third movie, for obvious reasons. But these books completely restored my faith. Nolan borrowed quite some elements from these tales, judging from all the pictures/trailers that have been released so far. If he'd handle Robin in the same way the books do, it'd work out just fine.

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Silverload
7:05AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Robin is huge part of Batman mythology, he belongs. As long as they don't camp him up, and keep him as a quasi-Oracle type of character, then he could work.

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Omen666
6:58AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Agreed!

There is no way to make Robin cool. His name says it all! Leave the new dark, brooding Batman alone. I have every bit of faith in Nolan, but studio pressure may force him to do it.

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theotherness
6:37AM on 07/01/2008 Add as a friend | MFC profile

Tsh. Naysayer.

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