Raimi no fan of SM3?

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ballbagz
11:45PM on 04/07/2009

im very happy to hear this and i kno he will do a good job for 4.. part two was excellent, everything a movie should be and im sure 4 will be nothing short of that

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spiderman 3 was a clusterfuck.....

DarkJoker73
6:55PM on 04/07/2009

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i just watched SM3 on stars agian, i tryed to understand everything, i can't blame Raimi for the whole clusterfuck, this movie had to many things wrong with it from the start, i'm a huge venom fan so i was more pissed...

i just watched SM3 on stars agian, i tryed to understand everything, i can't blame Raimi for the whole clusterfuck, this movie had to many things wrong with it from the start, i'm a huge venom fan so i was more pissed about that than anything else, As far as the humor thing goes i don't think that dance thing was part of that, i've seen most of his flims and i don't remember shit like that, i'm interested in seeing how 4 turns out but till then i'll hope we don't get another clusterfuck

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drc5145
4:29PM on 04/05/2009

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I think at the end of the day, like the movie itself, this was just a bad clusterfuck of people and ideas being mixed around and not working well together.

I mentioned earlier that Raimi shouldn't get ...

I think at the end of the day, like the movie itself, this was just a bad clusterfuck of people and ideas being mixed around and not working well together.

I mentioned earlier that Raimi shouldn't get all the blame. Nor the Execs completely. Everyone involved (Raimi, Sargent, the Sony Execs, Arad, etc...) should all receive the blame for creating this clusterfuck of a movie.

I just hope they all learned from this and realized where the lines should be drawn for everyone. They created 2 great Spidey movies and I still say they're very capable of making a great 4th.

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Sam Raimi's Humor

BrokenDreamer
3:57PM on 04/05/2009

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To all those people here who are complaining about the "emo Parker" dance scenes, I understand from where you are coming. However, have you never seen a Raimi film before? Cornball humor can be found in many of his ...

To all those people here who are complaining about the "emo Parker" dance scenes, I understand from where you are coming. However, have you never seen a Raimi film before? Cornball humor can be found in many of his films, including the famous Evil Dead series. Basically, that is the type of humor Raimi has, which makes me think that perhaps the studio gave him too much control. It might have been smarter for the studio to say: "I know you and your brother think that is funny, but this is a blockbuster and we don't need you wasting time with dance numbers." I actually thought, though, that the biggest fault in this movie was not the corny, Raimiesque scenes, but rather the Peter Parker character. I hated self involved Peter and his attitude throughout the film. He deserved what he got for how he treated Brock and Flinn. Therefore, I wasn't invested in the hero, which meant I didn't care about the film.

As for the Venom storyline, I heard in the commentary that they originally had a different plan for how they would present this "dark side" of Parker without the symbiote, but was forced to incorporate it when the studio pushed them to add Venom. Also, according to Raimi in that commentary track, the Raimi brothers had absolutely nothing to do with the writing of the Venom storyline. It was Alvin Sargent who wrote all the Venom scenes. Maybe he was just trying to distance himself, but it makes sense. Why would he write scenes he didn't care about? So, Sargent deserves some blame as well.

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Marvel Watchmen

mr_l3londe
3:36PM on 04/05/2009

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Makes me wonder how bad Watchmen could have been if it was a Marvel property!

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I agree

Kman9000
3:23PM on 04/05/2009

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Spiderman 3 was terrible, and this gets me excited for a new one. I wasn't before, but i am now.

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creepshow
2:21PM on 04/05/2009

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So I guess we'll get no Venom in 4 but more musical numbers with tone-deaf singing. If all that chick flick crap was edited out of the script for 3, maybe he could've taken Venom more seriously.

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Creasy
11:44AM on 04/05/2009

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@thundercat the terminator tv series sucks big time, so hopefully it will be cancelled.
oh and i don't care at all for sm4.

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WTF?!?

Grail
6:30AM on 04/05/2009

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Stop it, just fucking stop it. Stop making excuses for Raimi. "In other words, he didn't want Venom in the film at all but the people at Marvel really pushed for that character." So fucking what? You don't like the wa...

Stop it, just fucking stop it. Stop making excuses for Raimi. "In other words, he didn't want Venom in the film at all but the people at Marvel really pushed for that character." So fucking what? You don't like the way a job is laid out to be done so you half ass it out of spite? I've said this before and I'll say it again. As a manager, if one of my creative team pulled that shit because a design project wasn't what they wanted to do, they would be cleaning out their desks. It's called a shitty work ethic, wake up and smell the crappy film.

As far as Spider-Man 4 goes, the idea of Raimi having complete creative control disgusts me. He has made it abundantly clear that he never wants to move forward with Parker as a character, which means we get stuck with a whiny little [link] douche bag for yet another film. I miss the Spider-Man that I grew up with who made smartass witty comments while fighting, and didn't cry every five minutes. What the fuck happened to THAT guy? I liked the first two films, but even by the end of the second one the "oh poor me" crap was getting to be a bit much. I can't take it for yet another outing...

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SAVE the TERMINATOR TV SERIES

thundercat64
4:02AM on 04/05/2009

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Sign the petition and save the Terminator TV series from getting pulled. Let FOX know we care about shows that dont have singing teens or an Ozzy that will sell out!!!

Sign the petition and save the Terminator TV series from getting pulled. Let FOX know we care about shows that dont have singing teens or an Ozzy that will sell out!!!
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numberFIVE
1:13AM on 04/05/2009

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The first flick was awesome for what it did to comic adaptations, but it wasn't great. The second was flat awful, comical in how soberly pretentious it was. All I saw of the third was having a friend skip around on ...

The first flick was awesome for what it did to comic adaptations, but it wasn't great. The second was flat awful, comical in how soberly pretentious it was. All I saw of the third was having a friend skip around on his DVD so I could see Venom, the laughed heartily at Venom turning to nothingness for the same reason one mobile home fuckup yells at children and their noisy nonsense. Raimi, you're dumb as door knobs, and the best of the Evil Dead movies was the first ;)

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iLoveJOBLO
12:58AM on 04/05/2009

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just watched Spider-man 2 again.. it gets worse every time i see it.. should have been a TV show, so they could draw out the character development more..

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jolanar
11:06PM on 04/04/2009

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But the worst part is now they can't do Venom justice in his own film!

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Henry Lee Lucas
10:41PM on 04/04/2009

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"Sam Raimi is a terrible director. I have no idea how he got the job of directing Spiderman"
uhhh, have you seen darkman? thats why he got spiderman. have you seen spiderman 2? thats why comic book movies are b...

"Sam Raimi is a terrible director. I have no idea how he got the job of directing Spiderman"
uhhh, have you seen darkman? thats why he got spiderman. have you seen spiderman 2? thats why comic book movies are being taken seriously and thats what paved the road for batman begins.

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PuffCity
1:12PM on 04/04/2009

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Sam Raimi is a terrible director. I have no idea how he got the job of directing Spiderman. He is just blaming others for the shit trilogy (3rd one was terrible but the first 2 were also shit). Wasn't he the one that ...

Sam Raimi is a terrible director. I have no idea how he got the job of directing Spiderman. He is just blaming others for the shit trilogy (3rd one was terrible but the first 2 were also shit). Wasn't he the one that wrote number 3, in addition to directing it? How can he blame others, he's the one responsible for the turd.

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pfff

MrOperator
12:03PM on 04/04/2009

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Who the hell casts Topher Grace as Venom???? The guy is such a wuss!!!

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venom isn't the only thing wrong with sm3

KcMsterpce
6:02AM on 04/04/2009

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I think that SM3 is bad in so many ways, and the way Venom was treated is small beans compared to the entire spilled mess.

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BuckarooBanZai
5:56AM on 04/04/2009

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It's all business. Gavin Hood comes forth and states it's mutual creativity in force with the studio on Wolverine. Now Raimi says it's the studio's fault on Spidey 3. Yet Danny Elfman gave up his working relationship ...

It's all business. Gavin Hood comes forth and states it's mutual creativity in force with the studio on Wolverine. Now Raimi says it's the studio's fault on Spidey 3. Yet Danny Elfman gave up his working relationship with Raimi after Spidery 2. I think Raimi was given too much money one day and became a prick. I cannot believe that with 200 hundred meetings between director, writer, and studio they don't come up with better product. And though I'm not the biggest fan of The Dark Knight, with a movie like that, makes the X-Men and Spider-Man movies look like the poor over done cartoons they really are.

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LordSimen
3:31AM on 04/04/2009

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The Green Goblin is comparable to Joker, not Venom. Venom wasn't created until the 80's and his popularity is only recent. Joker was around since the beginnings of Batman.

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HEY....

Arvindh
1:05AM on 04/04/2009

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...maybe Sam Raimi isn't such a f*cknut afterall. Maybe he does know a thing or two. OR maybe he's just making excuses as to why his last Spidey project turned out being worse than swallowing garbage. "Didn't understa...

...maybe Sam Raimi isn't such a f*cknut afterall. Maybe he does know a thing or two. OR maybe he's just making excuses as to why his last Spidey project turned out being worse than swallowing garbage. "Didn't understand the popularity of the character"? Seriously? ANY person who accepts the responsibility of making ANYTHING related to Spider-Man HAS to know the popularity of Venom. It's like saying "I didn't want The Joker in The Dark Knight because I didn't understand why he's such a big deal." Yeah sure, Spidey has other arch foes but Venom is the arch-iest.

So, f*ck Sam Raimi and his troop of pricksters, Spider-Man 4 will most probably make a lotta' cash once again but still suck on eggs. Yet another franchise raped to the core and whored out to make serious bank. *sigh*

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DTBlack
12:39AM on 04/04/2009

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Agreed, the problem was the script, and the script was written by Raimi and his brother. The pitfalls of Spider-Man 3 go FAR beyond the bastardization of Venon. It's just a HORRIBLY written movie in general. Sony s...

Agreed, the problem was the script, and the script was written by Raimi and his brother. The pitfalls of Spider-Man 3 go FAR beyond the bastardization of Venon. It's just a HORRIBLY written movie in general. Sony should have shit canned Raimi and given the job to someone who actually gave a damn.

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Raimi's fault

AmazSpiderman1
12:28AM on 04/04/2009

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Spider-Man 3 sucked because he gave the job of writing the script to his talentless brother. 90% of the problems were because of that script. Next you had Raimi casting his children in all these roles which explains a...

Spider-Man 3 sucked because he gave the job of writing the script to his talentless brother. 90% of the problems were because of that script. Next you had Raimi casting his children in all these roles which explains all the cut to of kids going "YAY SPIDER-MAN!" Took you out of the fight scenes everytime they did that. Also all the costumes were terrible, something that Raimi had final say over the designs, and that's another problem with the film, especially for the "New Goblin". His fault really no matter what anyone says.

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GOOD

d00r
12:27AM on 04/04/2009

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Maybe SPIDER MAN wont be such a PUSSY!
And maybe he might actually be funny and charismatic.

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batmanfan
9:31PM on 04/03/2009

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In my opinion the third one had its ups and downs. I like the second one best of all of them because of the two characters written in to see who spiderman really was. mj and harry. it was awesome. sam rami lets face i...

In my opinion the third one had its ups and downs. I like the second one best of all of them because of the two characters written in to see who spiderman really was. mj and harry. it was awesome. sam rami lets face it, is a damn good directer who doesn't want to see his creative ideas like the first two go down the drain just like nolan doesn't. but nolan had more freedom because the studio gave it to him. Sam was limited and was not given a propper script but he was already sucked in to directing it. I feel for him. He has made good movies. and he did good at the parts of the third spider man for what he was able to do. other then that, spiderman 3 was so different from the other ones and it was easy to see. making sam look bad.

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deja vu
9:05PM on 04/03/2009

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i didnt realize sony wrote spiderman 3.

ugh.

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DON'T KILL ME...

andris
7:05PM on 04/03/2009

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...but I liked Spider-man 3 the most from the trilogy. Sure, the dance scene was bad but apart from that I relly liked it. And the main reason I liked it: It's as good as a superhero movie can be. You shouldn't take T...

...but I liked Spider-man 3 the most from the trilogy. Sure, the dance scene was bad but apart from that I relly liked it. And the main reason I liked it: It's as good as a superhero movie can be. You shouldn't take TOO seriously a kind of movie like that. Not the third one, not the second, nor the first one.
If you want drama, more complex characters, better story, watch movies like The Godfather.
Sure, there is a difference between The Phantom and the Spider-man movies, but at the end, in a (mostly European) point of view, these are just comicbook movies!

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Dont Blame Sam

barfly126
6:56PM on 04/03/2009

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Don't blame, Sam Raimi ! This guy could take Vin Diesel and Jessica Simpson, and make the best romantic movie ever, even make them act good !

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klinteastwood
6:40PM on 04/03/2009

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yea, there was no excuse for emo parker and the infamous dance routine and the character of Venom (and mabye Carnage one day) would be better in the hands of a different director/writer ..but Raimi needs to bring in t...

yea, there was no excuse for emo parker and the infamous dance routine and the character of Venom (and mabye Carnage one day) would be better in the hands of a different director/writer ..but Raimi needs to bring in the Lizard for the next film dammmit

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Sounds good!

2sdaychicken
5:24PM on 04/03/2009

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I think Spiderman 1 is one of the best superhero movies ever, and Spiderman 2 is THE best movie ever, and Spiderman 3 is underrated. It could have, and SHOULD have been better, but for what it is, it is a very good m...

I think Spiderman 1 is one of the best superhero movies ever, and Spiderman 2 is THE best movie ever, and Spiderman 3 is underrated. It could have, and SHOULD have been better, but for what it is, it is a very good movie. Just a few stupid descisions throughout.

So anyway... cant wait for Spidey 4!

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LordSimen
5:00PM on 04/03/2009

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For all you people who keep saying "Marvel," Marvel had nothing to do with this movie. The only movies Marvel produced were Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk. Spider-man 3 was produced by Sony, not Marvel. When he says...

For all you people who keep saying "Marvel," Marvel had nothing to do with this movie. The only movies Marvel produced were Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk. Spider-man 3 was produced by Sony, not Marvel. When he says the studio pushed a character on him, it was by Sony, not Marvel.

Stop saying Marvel.

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Still no excuse for EMO PARKER!

KingsOfAwesome
4:51PM on 04/03/2009

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C'mon, Sam. Are you telling me because Marvel wanted Venom in, you couldn't find a way to tell the story properly? Granted, there are more folks involved in this picture than Raimi... but SPIDEY 3 DID NOT NEED A FUCKI...

C'mon, Sam. Are you telling me because Marvel wanted Venom in, you couldn't find a way to tell the story properly? Granted, there are more folks involved in this picture than Raimi... but SPIDEY 3 DID NOT NEED A FUCKING DANCE NUMBER! Sandman was fine, Gwen was fine (though unnecessary) and I don't have a problem with Topher Grace as Brock, necessarily. It wasn't the character's fault for being in the picture - it was Raimi's for NOT giving a shit about a character that wasn't on his "wish list." That's poor form, plain and simple.

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DTBlack
4:43PM on 04/03/2009

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Yes Raimi blame the higher ups for trying to give the public what they WANT instead of your lame ass Sandman story that NO ONE gave two shits about. He's such a pretentious prick, the fault IS entirely his because he...

Yes Raimi blame the higher ups for trying to give the public what they WANT instead of your lame ass Sandman story that NO ONE gave two shits about. He's such a pretentious prick, the fault IS entirely his because he's the one who decided to shoehorn Venom in rather than giving him the focus he deserved. But no... we needed to waste all that time on a boring villain and a love story with one of the most annoying actresses in Hollywood.

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LordSimen
4:38PM on 04/03/2009

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Considering the only reason Spider-man 3 is flawed compared to the other films is the inclusion of Venom and the symbiote, Raimi's 100% correct on this one.

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This makes sense.

Avian005
3:54PM on 04/03/2009

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I remember reading something like this a year or two before SM3 came out and Raimi said he didn't want to put Venom in it, but he was made to do so.

If Raimi didn't have to focus on Vemon the the 25 min...

I remember reading something like this a year or two before SM3 came out and Raimi said he didn't want to put Venom in it, but he was made to do so.

If Raimi didn't have to focus on Vemon the the 25 minutes he was in it, he could've made the movie atleast good.

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I agree

ddubs
3:52PM on 04/03/2009

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The third one was terrible but the second one is still one of the best comic book adaptations, right behind X-Men 2 and The Dark Knight.

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Me either..

Dr.Frankenstein
3:48PM on 04/03/2009

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I'm no fan of Venom either-hope to see Hammer Head and or Man Wolf in next film-some Spidey villains that I use to like such as Grizzly worked well in the pages of a comic book-BUT a live action Grizzly would look ...

I'm no fan of Venom either-hope to see Hammer Head and or Man Wolf in next film-some Spidey villains that I use to like such as Grizzly worked well in the pages of a comic book-BUT a live action Grizzly would look too silly...Some bad guys are just not doable in live action film unfortunately. BTW-I liked Spider Man 3! good stuff! wasn't into Venom so much but he was well served in this film.

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drc5145
3:41PM on 04/03/2009

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I'm not surprised in the least if Raimi was forced to shoehorn Venom in. The way some studios can be run, I can believe in what Raimi is saying. He's not fully innocent in how everything fell in SM3, the some characte...

I'm not surprised in the least if Raimi was forced to shoehorn Venom in. The way some studios can be run, I can believe in what Raimi is saying. He's not fully innocent in how everything fell in SM3, the some characters and plots were handled, but he's not the sole problem either.

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how pathetic

brechtsky
3:01PM on 04/03/2009

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Ive heard just about enough of Raimi blaming other people for SM3 -- Maybe he is right though, and it was Marvels fault-- Because they never should have a hired a director who by his own admission doesnt get the popul...

Ive heard just about enough of Raimi blaming other people for SM3 -- Maybe he is right though, and it was Marvels fault-- Because they never should have a hired a director who by his own admission doesnt get the popularity of venom... Guess what, Raimi, if you dont get that, maybe you dont get the whole thing....

And corvettefan-- Theres no reason to think marvel wasnt involved in the venom debacle-- They have shot themeselves in the foot several times with Ironman 2 already, and presuming marvel wouldnt push for venom in a spidey movie (especially the third) is without basis.

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corvettefan8
2:49PM on 04/03/2009

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im pretty sure marvel had nothing to do with how bad it was. sony is to blame.

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Woah Now

Stranger496
2:35PM on 04/03/2009

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Granted, Raimi does sound a little bit like a whiny pussy. Obviously there were so many things wrong with that film that he can't be a little responsible. But anyone who thinks that the director is the top of the food...

Granted, Raimi does sound a little bit like a whiny pussy. Obviously there were so many things wrong with that film that he can't be a little responsible. But anyone who thinks that the director is the top of the food chain when it comes to a multimillion dollar franchise is just ignorant. The fish rots from the head down but Raimi is far from the head.

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zohan
2:28PM on 04/03/2009

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yep, 3rd one blowed b/c of raimi. he is the director....he should take responsibility.
a fish rots from the head down.
if an owner of a company has a horrible sales person...the owner is the one that...

yep, 3rd one blowed b/c of raimi. he is the director....he should take responsibility.
a fish rots from the head down.
if an owner of a company has a horrible sales person...the owner is the one that hired them...and is ultimately THEIR fault for poor sales.
director/producers ruined SP3

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powerbomb1411
2:06PM on 04/03/2009

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That's cute. Blaming it on others. What's his excuse for the first two sucking so much? It'd be really nice to actually see Spider-Man on the big screen for the first time.

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Netforce
1:50PM on 04/03/2009

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The real problem of Spider-Man 3 was how it handles those multi-storylines. Spider-Man 2 left (what I think) as one of the best endings for a superhero movie. Then Spider-Man 3 came along and we all know what happens ...

The real problem of Spider-Man 3 was how it handles those multi-storylines. Spider-Man 2 left (what I think) as one of the best endings for a superhero movie. Then Spider-Man 3 came along and we all know what happens after that. I'm glad that Raimi acknowledges what kind of reaction Spider-Man 3 received. I do hope to see Spider-Man 4 as some sort of reboot of Spider-Man franchise. Not as Batman Begins/The Dark Knight reboot. Spider-Man has always been one of those family-oriented comic books/movies. After how Spider-Man 3 ends, Peter Parker needs dilemma and conditions for villains to use. That's probably the best start for Spider-Man 4.

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WOAH WOAH WOAH

cuethemusic
1:33PM on 04/03/2009

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Wait a minute ... If SM3 was nothing but Sandman, it would have been horrible. THey made his character out to be TOOOO much like Doc Ock. Although, adding the Vulture in would have been sweet. Ben Kingsley? Would have...

Wait a minute ... If SM3 was nothing but Sandman, it would have been horrible. THey made his character out to be TOOOO much like Doc Ock. Although, adding the Vulture in would have been sweet. Ben Kingsley? Would have rocked.

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TAE K
1:02PM on 04/03/2009

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Having Venom in the movie wasn't the problem... it was HOW they had Venom. I'd be perfectly fine if the 4th movie just ignored the 3rd one and the Venom story was done right. i wanna see Raimi's horror influence on ve...

Having Venom in the movie wasn't the problem... it was HOW they had Venom. I'd be perfectly fine if the 4th movie just ignored the 3rd one and the Venom story was done right. i wanna see Raimi's horror influence on venom done proper!

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ttop33
12:58PM on 04/03/2009

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Oh I forgot to mention. Venom had nothing to do with that goofy flashback of uncle bens killer being sandman. Plus when sandman flies away at the end they missed a perfect opportunity to place Robin williams voice ...

Oh I forgot to mention. Venom had nothing to do with that goofy flashback of uncle bens killer being sandman. Plus when sandman flies away at the end they missed a perfect opportunity to place Robin williams voice from hook in saying "thankyou for believing"
That plot and characters were terrible and it all leads straight to raimi.

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Kid_Zombie
12:56PM on 04/03/2009

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Spider-man 3 sucked. The original villans were Sandman and Vulture, and ben kingsley was already in talks to play Vulture. But Avi Arad listened to fanboys on the net complaining that they wanted venom and he said ok....

Spider-man 3 sucked. The original villans were Sandman and Vulture, and ben kingsley was already in talks to play Vulture. But Avi Arad listened to fanboys on the net complaining that they wanted venom and he said ok. So against sam raimi wishes they hired a writer and added Venom, and took out Vulture. It sucks i would have loved to see Vulture in the movie. Im not a big venom fan in the first place, but venom is a huge character that really could span two whole movies. And it sucks they hired Topher grace to play him. I always thought he would be a good replacement of magire for spider-man. Oh well. Im pumped for spider-man 4, would love to see Kraven the Hunter as a villan. But i think the best villen to bring to the screen would be Mysterio! think what they could do with him, and his special effects weapons, ha he is begging to be put on the big screen.

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ttop33
12:54PM on 04/03/2009

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To bad venom had nothing to do with this movie being terrible. Raimi and his bro wrote the script. And sandman was the problem. Plus he had more control on this film then the first two, he was writing the script for g...

To bad venom had nothing to do with this movie being terrible. Raimi and his bro wrote the script. And sandman was the problem. Plus he had more control on this film then the first two, he was writing the script for gods sake. I'm sure marvel had the emu dancing and dry humping in there to(sarcasm). Also raimi doesn't understand why people like venom. A more important question is why absolutely noone likes sandman and that character is barely in anything. Answer because he sucks. He's a stupid character. He was put in the movie because he was visual and raimi tried to copy the character traits "misunderstood bad guy" from the last two movies and it blew up in his face. There is nothing worse then a director crying that he isn't responsible for his own work. YOu don't see an artist saying, I painted that picture but it is someone else's fault it sucks. All spider-man movies suck and raimi plus sony are responsible.

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Ocelot_Snake
12:49PM on 04/03/2009

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the way 3 shouldve ended was peter beating sandman in some truly horrible (or almost doing something horrible but beats him anyway) way, him goin to the church and ripping the suit off, and the last thing we see befor...

the way 3 shouldve ended was peter beating sandman in some truly horrible (or almost doing something horrible but beats him anyway) way, him goin to the church and ripping the suit off, and the last thing we see before end credits roll is venom lunging at the screen

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