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	T4 lacks Cameron	Sep. 29, 2008

Comments: 21 50% $\"\"$ Strike Back Below! Source: Filmonic by: James Thoo
	On several occasions McG has spoken of James Cameron giving his blessing to his making of TERMINATOR: SALVATION. On several occasions, it seems, McG has been talking garbage. In an interview with E Online, Cameron said the following: Q. Are you involved at all in the Christian Bale production of Terminator 4? It could be a big steaming pile or it could be brilliant. Sam Worthington is in the Avatar and the new Terminator and he likes the script, but I never saw it. There was no blessing involved. To be fair either of these guys could be mistaken and there's no way for us to tell which one it is. As much as you guys might hate on me for it, I kinda like McG and everything I've seen from SALVATION so far, I've thought has looked dynamite. The tone of that first trailer was perfect. Bale is the man. I'm still down with this. Roll on. Extra Tidbit: McG won Billboard's Pop Video of the Year Award for Smashmouth's 'Walking on the Sun'.
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dead far as i'm concerned

bigandrew323
5:20PM on 10/01/2008

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Aliens,Predator Terminator...all great sci fi CLASSIC movies....have just been butchered to much..and as far as i'm concerned dead in the water.

Just leave them alone..

h
8:48AM on 09/30/2008

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"WHY NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL?
What's the point of simply posting the exacting thing the whole world does?"

Because if you're just saying it for the sake of being controversial then it's not ...

"WHY NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL?
What's the point of simply posting the exacting thing the whole world does?"

Because if you're just saying it for the sake of being controversial then it's not your opinion. Obviously.

McG

jayrizzo
12:53AM on 09/30/2008

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As uncertain as I am about McG going from Charlies Angels to reinventing Terminator, it could be worse, Bret Rattner could have gotten his hands on it

GGear0323
11:04PM on 09/29/2008

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Bale or no Bale, i was never super interested in T4 anyway, especially because it looks to take place during the relatively early days of the war. i want futuristic warfare. there is no more hunting to kill one person. this is supposed to be all out, only one species gets to live kinda action, but whatever. i am more pissed that someone actually said T2 wasnt as good as T1, or T3 or whatever the hell else was said, .....i though it was clearly absolutely obvious that T2 was/is/forever will be, an absolutely great masterpiece of a movie. i loved T1 as well, but it doesnt hold a candle to its sequel....alright, maybe it does hold a candle...but not very high.

Mister_NOIR
10:33PM on 09/29/2008

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I remember reading an article back in 2003 just before T3 came out, where somebody asked Cameron if he would've directed the movie if he'd been given the same script to work with.

His response was something along the lines of "Why would I be interested in directing a script written by somebody else about characters that I fucking created?"

Can't say I blame him. To create something as bad-ass as the Terminator franchise and then have it bastardised by a bunch of hacks has gotta sting.

T1 and T2 just have this fuckin' gutsy, raw feel to them. T3 just felt way too... I dunno, clean. I mean the scene with the crane was pretty sweet, but all in all it lacked a lot of the qualities that the first two had in spades... In particular, atmosphere.

Anyway, I remain hopeful for T4, but things aren't looking too promising just yet.

Re: T2 haters

JesseNick
10:22PM on 09/29/2008

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Yeah, the first one is a classic. One that actually deserves the label.

But T2 lacking because it shouldn't be about "machines vs. machines?" Or that it has grown long in the tooth but T3 hasn't? SERIOUSLY?? Strip away the Sci-Fi and T2 still has emotion and drama and has something real to say about people, where T1 was a simple-and-rushed love story with a little "technology is bad" vibe. It only hinted at what T2 explored to the core. Miles Dyson was a fantastic character played amazingly. Linda Hamilton was really good in T2, where basically anyone could have played her in T1. T2 has the courage to not even have the main antagonist for nearly an hour (turning Sarah into one temporarily), spending the time to be a good drama with the impending doom vibe that people with some patience can really appreciate. T1 is scarier and a better thriller. T2 is a better MOVIE. It has a following outside of the JoBlo Sci-Fi demo, and that's because it has more to offer.

As for T3, THAT's the movie that copied what came before and offered nothing superior in the process (not to mention spitting in the face of everything that T1 and T2 are about by saying that everyone is a slave to fate (really weird fate that "fixes" itself), thereby making everyone puppets and not people.) And along with all that, comes really REALLY cheesy attempts at humor that made me, and most of the audience I originally saw it with, cringe. I HEARD them cringe, that's how much they cringed. SO BAD. Yes, T3 has a good ending. Yes, it's a "fun" movie. But the first two combined (especially T2) offer so much more than just "fun".

And I think we can ALL agree who the greatest bad guy was.

I'm not going to jump on the James Camerson is God band wagon. His work has been great, his work has been mediocre. T3 could have been great even without Cameron, but the guy they gave it too didn't understand what the story was about, didn't bother creating the tension-filled atmosphere of the first two, and he has a really shallow, immature, obvious sense of humor. Either that, or he was just pandering.

If they lose the lame humor of T3 and actually bring in some of the amazing morphing effects of T2 (even by today's standards) that T3 failed to bring back, I'll be happy. It'll never be what it was without Linda Hamilton though, she was the heart of everything.

Well...

DaForce
5:59PM on 09/29/2008

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I liked T3. It was fun, exciting, and had a pretty damn good ending.

I liked T2 when it came out initially, but its grown long in the tooth. You can clearly see that it was a bigger budget remake of the first Terminator, only with John Connor now being hunted. Cameron wanted to monkey around in that universe one more time before giving up working on the franchise.

T4 won't be bad, with or without Cameron's 'blessing'. And frankly, since Cameron hasn't directed a sci-fi movie since the 90's, I'm more worried about his Avatar project than I am about T4.

McG, you mother fucker!

Silverload
4:46PM on 09/29/2008

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Remember when McG said that he went over the script with both Cameron and Nolan? Remember when McG said that Cameron liked it so much that he suggested Sam Worthington for the role? Lying sack of shit he is! T4 is goi...

smashmouth

deathmetalbrian
4:13PM on 09/29/2008

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ok, so he did that smashmouth video? so obviously you're trying to get me to hate him even more right?

Grazzi, captainteague

kdraines
3:19PM on 09/29/2008

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Some people's opinions just aren't solidified until they assassinate the character of those who disagree with them.

Time To Cash That Reality Check

captainteague
3:14PM on 09/29/2008

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ART IS SUBJECTIVE...kdraines and everyone else on this big spinning ball is entitled to like or dislike any and every film out there without being judged. WAKE UP PEOPLE! There is no wrong answer when it comes to art. It drives me mad when people try to rip into one another for having an opposing view on a movie. GET OVER IT! You don't need to validate your tastes in movies by tearing at someone else's.

why not be controversial?

kdraines
2:42PM on 09/29/2008

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What's the point of simply posting the exacting thing the whole world does? "Terminator 2 is awesome and Cameron is God!" How boring. Excepting my most recent post, at least I set forth some reasons WHY I thought Cameron's work was sub-par. "The Terminator" was a fantastic movie, not the least for which it had people vs. machines (which is the basis for the entire Terminator mythology), not machines vs. machines. That whole idea got subverted in "Terminator 2". At least in "Terminator 3" the movie eventually goes in a different direction. Aside from more money and special effects, I challenge you to find one solid difference between the first two "Terminator" films.

And while "X-Men 3" was certainly not better than "X-Men 2" it was still an exciting action movie with thematic relevance and one of the best summer films of 2006. Ratner gets a lot of crap for the things that were wrong with that movie when it was really the studio's fault for trying to rush the picture through to beat "Superman Returns" to the screen (which turned out to be unnecessary since "Superman Returns" was such an abomination).

Forgive me for playing devil's advocate but it's pointless to repeat what everyone else is already saying.

Really though, why does it bother you so much? If you have faith in your opinion, what I say shouldn't matter one bit. If you think I'm baiting, don't take the bait.

Kdraines: The art of not liking anything

Neon October
2:05PM on 09/29/2008

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Terminator 3 is better than 2? Who says crap like that? Really? it's so absurd. It's like when some (crazy fanboys) people say that X3 was better than X2. Stupid! And Kdraines seems to be always making 'controversial'...

fury159
1:56PM on 09/29/2008

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Anyone seen Titanic recently? I don't think it's aged very well...Now it feels like 'Days of our Lives' set on a great looking sinking ship. 'True Lies' was ok but he topped out with 'Abyss'...And you're smoking crrrr...

"Terminator 3" is better than "Terminator 2"

kdraines
1:12PM on 09/29/2008

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Be honest. You know it's true.

WalterKovacs
1:08PM on 09/29/2008

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As much as I'd love to see Cameron still in control of the franchise, this still looks promising. I say we give it a shot.

Cameron is untouchable

Denizen
1:05PM on 09/29/2008

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Let's face it, Cameron created Terminator. He directed 1 & 2. He directed Aliens, Titanic, True Lies & The Abyss. He Rocks. T3 sucked & T4 will probably suck too.

Cameron's overrated.

kdraines
12:56PM on 09/29/2008

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Always has been. Now he is a has-been. "The Terminator" was stellar, but "Terminator 2" has to be hands-down the most overrated action film of all time. It was nothing more than a virtual scene-by-scene remake of the original with more money, less restraint, and less sincerity. "True Lies" was misogynist crap. And while "Aliens" was a fun movie, it just can't hold a candle to Ridley Scott's brilliant original.

Devasta-SHAWN
12:54PM on 09/29/2008

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i hope at no point during Salvation the charlies angels start fighting terminators

Why am I not surprised

h
12:12PM on 09/29/2008

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Considering the liberties McG took with Spaced I'm not surprised he never asked Cameron his opinion. Fuck him. Fuck him right in the kidneys.

Dark Knight
12:07PM on 09/29/2008

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Good for Cameron - it's not his movie, he doesn't want to have anything with it, and maybe he doesn't care anyway. Waiting for Avatar ....

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