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Joker madness! May. 19, 2007
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Update: The final picture of Heath Ledger of the Joker has been revealed at Batman-on-film. If you want to check it out for yourself, do so HERE, but if you want it revealed from the website mentioned below, it might be more fun that way.

So I just found out a few days ago that apparently the villain in the THE DARK KNIGHT is going to be the Joker, and that he’s going to be played by Heath Ledger, of all people. Go figure. Now the ending of BATMAN BEGINS, when Gordon shows Bats the joker card, all makes sense! At the time I was all ‘a joker card? Could you be any more obtuse?’

It looks like Warner Bros. wants the rest of the world to know who Batman will be doing battle with next as well, but they’re doing it in the subtlest of ways. Superherohype.com were the lucky recipients of a scoop regarding hidden joker cards in a comic books store somewhere in SoCal. As you can see from the pic BELOW, the cards are defaced by ‘haha’ and the slogan ‘I believe in Harvey Dent too.’ The scribblings were not hand-written, but appeared instead to be stamped with them, leading us to believe that this can only be a guerilla marketing campaign from Warner Bros., and a bloody creepy one at that.

And just in case you’re wondering the meaning behind the 'I believe in Harvey Dent too’ slogan, here’s the lowdown: a few days ago, WB launched a mock-up site for Harvey Dent’s DA campaign, with ‘I believe in Dent’ as its slogan. But now it appears that a certain white-faced, red-lipped, green-haired psychopathic prankster has defaced Dent’s campaign with his own website, Ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com. Once there, you can enter your e-mail and the code below. Then go to your e-mail account, click on the link sent to you, and enter in the X & Y coordinates of the pixel given to you, and watch as the pixel is removed from the banner to reveal the image underneath. Enough pixels have been removed to almost make out the hidden image. Ladies and gentlemen, I think you all know whose sunken eyes those are staring back at you. The moment we've all been waiting for appears to have finally arrived.

Extra Tidbit: Kudos Warner Bros., for a brilliant marketing campaign.

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It was me...
deadshot
3:46PM on 05/22/2007
I told not specifically you to shut the fuck up, but ALL the whining fanboys, and not so fanboys, who just come to bash the shit out of anything they already don't really care about.

The 1989 Tim Burto...
I told not specifically you to shut the fuck up, but ALL the whining fanboys, and not so fanboys, who just come to bash the shit out of anything they already don't really care about.

The 1989 Tim Burton "masterpiece" BATMAN, upon almost 18 years of review, is a massive chunk of shit. When I was 14 and the film first came out on June 23rd, 1989, I liked it and thought it was cool. A few years later, upon futher viewings, I could see the hell that was Keaton's performance as both Bruce Wayne AND Batman, Jack being embarrassingly over-the-top, a pathetic script, awful, unfinished and unpolished direction and a good set design. I will never understand how people can actually look at that film and still defend it. Look closely at some of the scenes when he's in the Batwing. There are toggle switches that say "VOLUME" on it. That's not just bad, that's really fucking sloppy. Nolan is awesome. MEMENTO, BB, THE PRESTIGE. Burton and Schumacher, for the most part, blow. And there are far too many films those guys have made to list as negatives.
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gyro_44
8:03PM on 05/21/2007
I really hope Nolan has something good up his sleeve, FilmFreak, and he usually seems to come through like gangbusters. I have liked (or loved) every film he has made so far. Thanks for your reply and sorry for any st...
I really hope Nolan has something good up his sleeve, FilmFreak, and he usually seems to come through like gangbusters. I have liked (or loved) every film he has made so far. Thanks for your reply and sorry for any strong words. I'm really excited about this film.

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What's so funny about
stock
7:51PM on 05/21/2007
peace, love, and understanding? Glad you guys made up. After all, getting p.o.'d at each other is not going to effect the product anyways. They make their millions whether its good or not. Us Schmoes don't count for t...
peace, love, and understanding? Glad you guys made up. After all, getting p.o.'d at each other is not going to effect the product anyways. They make their millions whether its good or not. Us Schmoes don't count for that much.
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gyro_44
TheFilmFreak
7:02PM on 05/21/2007
Sorry gyro_44, I thought it was you who said that to me. You do have a point. Nolan would'nt make a stupid mistake. He must have something good up his sleeve.
Sorry gyro_44, I thought it was you who said that to me. You do have a point. Nolan would'nt make a stupid mistake. He must have something good up his sleeve.
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FILMFREAK, PLEASE READ:
gyro_44
1:04PM on 05/21/2007
Ummm, when did I ever tell you to shut the fuck up? Of course you have the right to your opinion, we just happen to STRONGLY disagree.

Exactly how stupid do you think Christopher Nolan is? Do you think ...
Ummm, when did I ever tell you to shut the fuck up? Of course you have the right to your opinion, we just happen to STRONGLY disagree.

Exactly how stupid do you think Christopher Nolan is? Do you think he cast Ledger just because he's a pretty boy, only to make him a grotesque villain? That doesn't make any sense. Obviously Ledger is bringing a certain something to the role, and Nolan thinks so, or else he wouldn't have been cast. Why the FUCK would Ledger have been cast if he has no interest in playing the part properly? Are you saying he's going to sabatoge the movie? Like, how about an iota of common sense in some of these ramblings?

You seriously think Ledger is the worst actor working today? Personally I think he has some real growth lately as an actor, and I can't wait to see what he does with this role. Obviously he wasn't the first choice in anyone's head, but frankly I think calling him the worst actor working today is utterly ridiculous. Just my opinion. I guess that means I have "issues".

Once again, Ledger obviously DOES have an interest in the part or else he WOULD. NOT. HAVE. BEEN. CAST.

You're right... maybe this will work, and maybe it won't. We are going to have to wait and see. I'm going to be putting a lot more faith in Ledger (and in Nolan, because you apparently think he's a douchebag) than you. I remain very optimistic about the whole project.
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A sad sad day...
TheFilmFreak
6:52AM on 05/21/2007
...Turns out that the pic of the "JOKER" is real. Superherohype.com has just confirmed it. Maybe this will work, maybe it wont, But i need to see a trailer before I pass anymore judgement. Its not really the new look ...
...Turns out that the pic of the "JOKER" is real. Superherohype.com has just confirmed it. Maybe this will work, maybe it wont, But i need to see a trailer before I pass anymore judgement. Its not really the new look of him that pisses me off, The problem is Heath Ledger, How can someone play a character they have no interest in? The great thing about the joker is that comic fan or not, Everyone knows who he is, And when i look at this new pic you dont get the "THATS THE JOKER" image in your head. If i was to show this pic to someone they would say what the fuck is that! I wish nolan would have stayed more true to the jokers look. I know there is art by Lee Bermejo, Check out this link for the pic [link] and this link [link] Who drew the joker with a CUT SMILE but it looks cool unlike this crap that Heath Ledger looks like.
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gyro_44 and deadshot
TheFilmFreak
6:40AM on 05/21/2007
First off, Dont tell me to shut the fuck up. Look at Heath Ledger for a sec. Here is a asshole who says in a interview in wizard magazine that he hates comics and hates comic book movies and hates the joker character....
First off, Dont tell me to shut the fuck up. Look at Heath Ledger for a sec. Here is a asshole who says in a interview in wizard magazine that he hates comics and hates comic book movies and hates the joker character. So why the fuck would nolan cast this fucking prick as the joker when he is completly uninterested in the character? It just dosent make sense. And no I wont be seeing it if i dont like what i see from trailers and pictures of this movie. This guy is the worst actor in movies and anyone who thinks this guy is going to pull off playing THE JOKER has issues. And batman begins was no were as dark as BATMAN was, I love Bale as a actor, and i liked batman begins, but he just dosent sound or look right in that very crappy looking batman costume. One more thing, I like batman a lot, And i read his comics but im not a big fanboy of him. I only wish that every comic looked like the 1989 batman film or frank millers batman then i would be a big fanboy. I guess its the whole running around with robin thing. I just never liked robin, To me he was always a pesty little shit head and had no buisness teaming up with batman.
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drexxell
6:35AM on 05/21/2007
"Drunk Tranny"...that's about the best post yet :) Gotta admit that without a smile, the Joker doesn't look like the Joker.
"Drunk Tranny"...that's about the best post yet :) Gotta admit that without a smile, the Joker doesn't look like the Joker.
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Awesome.
deadshot
9:17PM on 05/20/2007
There's automatically a polarization of fans when you get something like this. People are gonna be pissy, people are going to love it. People that get pissy about it, I have determined, have little to no imagination. ...
There's automatically a polarization of fans when you get something like this. People are gonna be pissy, people are going to love it. People that get pissy about it, I have determined, have little to no imagination. They can't see beyond the page, beyond the drawing, which is why so many people were screaming for Crispin Fucking Glover to play the Joker... because he looks like him. Are you really going to compare the talent of Heath Ledger to Crispin Glover? There is no comparison. People that love it (like myself) have faith in the filmmakers and the project. So suck it up if you hate it. Or just don't fucking see it. But you know you will, so shut the fuck up.
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cupajoe
7:03PM on 05/20/2007
ha good luck tryin to get a hold of them cards them piece of sh!& comic store owners are sooooooo gonna hog them for them selfs
ha good luck tryin to get a hold of them cards them piece of sh!& comic store owners are sooooooo gonna hog them for them selfs
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Erm hello?
CaptSpaulding
6:25PM on 05/20/2007
I agree with the writer of the article, full kudos to Warner for this build up, its a great marketing sting and yeah I do feel generally creeped out by this picture. I hope the Arkham Asylum approach is taken as it st...
I agree with the writer of the article, full kudos to Warner for this build up, its a great marketing sting and yeah I do feel generally creeped out by this picture. I hope the Arkham Asylum approach is taken as it still remains a classic graphic novel.

Oh and one last thing, is the author of this article for real? The didn't get the end of Batman Begins?! Maybe I have missed the irony in the text but I don't see how ANYONE can't get where they were going at the end of the movie! It was a freaking Joker card for Christ on a Motorbike's sake!
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Hmmmmm...
Fridge
5:29PM on 05/20/2007
It doesnt really look like The Joker. It looks like a drunk tranny who went a little overboard with the lipstick. It's not horrible, certainly better than the images that were on AICN a while ago, but even a slight ...
It doesnt really look like The Joker. It looks like a drunk tranny who went a little overboard with the lipstick. It's not horrible, certainly better than the images that were on AICN a while ago, but even a slight smile would have done the picture wonders. It's hard to really judge The Joker from a picture, I need to see him in action before I decide whether or not he sucks.

Even if he looks stupid, Ledger still might pull off a great performance as him. This is one of the rare occasions where you actually do have to wait until you see the movie before passing judgement.
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Freaky
jgt24
5:18PM on 05/20/2007
Wow. I looked at the picture and I was thinking "This is sick and scary... but frickin' awesome." All you "fanboys" need to get over yourselves. You always find something wrong with change. It's never good enough....
Wow. I looked at the picture and I was thinking "This is sick and scary... but frickin' awesome." All you "fanboys" need to get over yourselves. You always find something wrong with change. It's never good enough. I have always loved Batman. My dad took me to see Batman in 1989 when I was 5 years old... and I loved it. I watched the Animated TV show religiously every day after school. I read the comics. Then I saw Batman Begins which was a much more realistic and darker approach, and guess what, I loved it even more the the 1989 version. And the new look of the Joker fits the realistic approach perfectly. Don't change it Nolan. It's freakin' amazing.
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Digifruitella
5:16PM on 05/20/2007
paulie, you talkbacker, looks like you haven't been following the batman/joker series all that well then that you refute the fact that I said they're following the the graphic novels on the look of the joker. I know f...
paulie, you talkbacker, looks like you haven't been following the batman/joker series all that well then that you refute the fact that I said they're following the the graphic novels on the look of the joker. I know for a fact that the gash smile is in one of batman's graphic novels, I don't have the title of it yet right now but when I do you'll be the first to know...
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boombche_stum
5:15PM on 05/20/2007
Looks good to me. I loved Jack as the Joker back in '89, but the tone of that film couldn't be any further away from what Nolan has done with the series... so I don't know why people are bitching. Then film nerds wond...
Looks good to me. I loved Jack as the Joker back in '89, but the tone of that film couldn't be any further away from what Nolan has done with the series... so I don't know why people are bitching. Then film nerds wonder why it has taken so long for Hollywood to warm up to us.
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Real World? Maybe MTV Style...
Smokey McTrees
5:02PM on 05/20/2007
Can it not be real world to have a guy with a wide smile most of the time? If Boner from "Growing Pains" can pull it off as well as he did why can't Heath? I'm all for a disturbing, Arkham-Asylum-style Joker,but I, ...
Can it not be real world to have a guy with a wide smile most of the time? If Boner from "Growing Pains" can pull it off as well as he did why can't Heath? I'm all for a disturbing, Arkham-Asylum-style Joker,but I, gee, you know, would kind of like him to look the part. In fact, I'm going fast from "meh" to "This is pissing me off" because I cannot believe it.
Real world? Right. Batman looked good. Scarecrow looked good, albeit kinda lazy because they forgot the whole outfit. Eckhart is a fantastic-looking Harvey Dent. I just can't dig this "Chelsea Smile" Joker bullshit. It's like the forced smile of Nicholson taken to another level of stupidity. Scary, my ass. Casear Romero was scarier then this shit. Smile, you son of a bitch.
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I just hope parents don't "Returns" TDK
at528
3:57PM on 05/20/2007
I'm more than down with a fresh approach to the character. My only fear is that parents will take their kids to a likely R movie and complain about it like they did with Batman Returns and that view of the Penguin. Af...
I'm more than down with a fresh approach to the character. My only fear is that parents will take their kids to a likely R movie and complain about it like they did with Batman Returns and that view of the Penguin. After all, that's what led to the abominations that were Forever and B&R. Just imagine what the dumb parent who takes their three-year-old to TDK will think when they realize Mr. J knifed himself to get his grin...

It looks like Nolan wants to go with a more Arkham Asylum view of the Joker. Now that is a sadistic and very disturbing bastard. For those who haven't read that, you can't get a feel for what the character will do, making him all the more disturbing. That interpretation is actually insane and psychotic.

Like many of you, I'm not sure this is a final version, but batmanonfilm and Jett (the site's mod) has an incredible accuracy rate. Jett didn't post the fake Ledger pic from a few weeks back, knowing (from his sources) that it was fake. That they acknowledge this gives it validity with me.
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Nice
KevWhit70
3:52PM on 05/20/2007
I think this looks great - real world and creepy, good stuff.. i also read that the clown mask ledge wears when robbing gets 'fused' to his face, hence the overly large red smile and white face, the scars on his cheek...
I think this looks great - real world and creepy, good stuff.. i also read that the clown mask ledge wears when robbing gets 'fused' to his face, hence the overly large red smile and white face, the scars on his cheeks are pretty sweet too... i really cant wait for this
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sweet
Burgerking
3:47PM on 05/20/2007
It's typical that moviegoers are always hesitant to actually like something new when first announced, in this case everyone wants the Joker to look like what they imagined in their head rather than what Nolan imagined...
It's typical that moviegoers are always hesitant to actually like something new when first announced, in this case everyone wants the Joker to look like what they imagined in their head rather than what Nolan imagined in his.

For a real-world Batman, this Joker looks awesome. If it isn't real it's still amazing and I'd hope Nolan could top it. Though this time I'm going to bet it is.
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Hmmm...
Krypto Cookies
3:28PM on 05/20/2007
It SEEMS cool. But is it for real? If you notice in The Dark Knight website, and the original "I Believe In Harvey Dent" website down in the corner there's the "TM & DC Comics" logo, but in the new one there's nothi...
It SEEMS cool. But is it for real? If you notice in The Dark Knight website, and the original "I Believe In Harvey Dent" website down in the corner there's the "TM & DC Comics" logo, but in the new one there's nothing there. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I dunno. I do hope it's real, because it's VERY creepy.
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Smokey McTrees
2:02PM on 05/20/2007
Meh. I better see a smiley picture (w/teeth) soon. Looks like a tranny. This ain't no graphic novel version of the Joker, not even in The Dark Knight Returns. Boo-urns.
Meh. I better see a smiley picture (w/teeth) soon. Looks like a tranny. This ain't no graphic novel version of the Joker, not even in The Dark Knight Returns. Boo-urns.
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mierzwiak
1:34PM on 05/20/2007
Two words: HOLY FUCK.

He looks amazing, frightening and twisted. I love him.
Two words: HOLY FUCK.

He looks amazing, frightening and twisted. I love him.
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KMD613
1:29PM on 05/20/2007
I love the way the image was released, but as for the image itself, I'm going to wait until I see Heath play the part before I make a decision.

Personally, I don't like the Joker's lips. The picture rem...
I love the way the image was released, but as for the image itself, I'm going to wait until I see Heath play the part before I make a decision.

Personally, I don't like the Joker's lips. The picture reminds me of the scene in Airplane! when the old lady was trying to put on her makeup and smeared it up to her ears. I also don't like the goth look around the eyes. The way I see the Joker, his eyes should be bloodshot & yellowish w/ thick bags under his eyes, giving him the look that he hasn't slept in about a year & has gone completely psychotic.
Regardless, I'll give Nolan's version a chance.
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YES
Rounder
1:11PM on 05/20/2007
I love the new pic. Batman deserves a menacing arch-nemesis, not the neon purple clown that was 1989's Joker.

Let all the pessimists whine and tear down the movie based on this one photo. I'm decidedly ...
I love the new pic. Batman deserves a menacing arch-nemesis, not the neon purple clown that was 1989's Joker.

Let all the pessimists whine and tear down the movie based on this one photo. I'm decidedly OPTIMISTIC about this movie. The realistic approach is what Batman needed so kudos Chris Nolan and I can't freaking wait for this movie!
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Take a cigarrette break, boys
stock
11:51AM on 05/20/2007
I can see both sides here. One, they couldn't do it like Jack, even though the cheek scars are familiar. Guess he couldn't get the old Kraut doc in the basement this time. I just wish I could see some passion from the...
I can see both sides here. One, they couldn't do it like Jack, even though the cheek scars are familiar. Guess he couldn't get the old Kraut doc in the basement this time. I just wish I could see some passion from the actor. He seems like a bored movie star, where Jack,(coked up of course) really loved it. But Begins proves that Nolan can do it. Now it's up to Ledger.
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FILM FREAK:
gyro_44
10:54AM on 05/20/2007
Begins is far and away the best Batman movie in my opinion, so I don't give a shit how many "fans" you asked, it's not "the truth" that it will never live up to Burton's version.

I think this was a cool...
Begins is far and away the best Batman movie in my opinion, so I don't give a shit how many "fans" you asked, it's not "the truth" that it will never live up to Burton's version.

I think this was a cool as hell marketing idea, not sure why so many of you whiny bitches are jumping all over it. Predictable I guess.

Personally I think it looks creepy and I can't wait to see more of it.
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Get real
Paulie
9:57AM on 05/20/2007
I don't give a shit about how many says it's an official Joker image. When I see similar pictures on the upcoming TDK site, I'll consider myself defeated.

You know those moments when you have a feeling ...
I don't give a shit about how many says it's an official Joker image. When I see similar pictures on the upcoming TDK site, I'll consider myself defeated.

You know those moments when you have a feeling something ain't right? This is one of those moments.

Nolan knows and can do better than this. It's all fake bullshit.
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brentage5000
9:55AM on 05/20/2007
ladies and gents, the loyalists have shown themselves.

anyway, its not as bad as i feared, but it could still be better. guess we'll see when the movie comes out....or the trailer, anyway.
ladies and gents, the loyalists have shown themselves.

anyway, its not as bad as i feared, but it could still be better. guess we'll see when the movie comes out....or the trailer, anyway.
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TheFilmFreak
9:16AM on 05/20/2007
Marketing ploy or not, I still cant picture this asshole playing the joker. And if that pic that pops up on the Harvey Dent site is how jokers going to look, Then Chris Nolan can go fuck him self for destroying a grea...
Marketing ploy or not, I still cant picture this asshole playing the joker. And if that pic that pops up on the Harvey Dent site is how jokers going to look, Then Chris Nolan can go fuck him self for destroying a great comic villain. And by the way, 1989 Batman was the best batman film ever made. Batman Begins was great, But it will never live up to tim burtons batman. Im sorry but its the truth. I ask a lot of batman fans when i run into them and they say "Yeh I loved batman begins, but 1989's batman was by far the best." I really dont think people are going to take well to this "NEW" joker. Jack was THE JOKER! After all he said it best..."Jack, Jack is dead my friend, You can call me...JOKER...And as you can see, Im a lot happier!"
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Paulie
5:10AM on 05/20/2007
"they are following the graphic novels on the look of the joker."

They are? That's funny, I can't seem to remember he had red colour outside his lips all the way to his fucking chin in those novels. Or ...
"they are following the graphic novels on the look of the joker."

They are? That's funny, I can't seem to remember he had red colour outside his lips all the way to his fucking chin in those novels. Or had a cutsmile for that matter. That Grinch looking ape from the new comics doesn't count.
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Cool.....but AARGH!
MasterChief3624
4:30AM on 05/20/2007
Wow. I am stunned by the brilliance of this advertising. ....Wow.

Seriously. Just friggin' awesome.

Question: How the hell do I take off more pixels?! ARGH! So frustrating, lol. ...
Wow. I am stunned by the brilliance of this advertising. ....Wow.

Seriously. Just friggin' awesome.

Question: How the hell do I take off more pixels?! ARGH! So frustrating, lol. But oh so fun!
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the Joker
Digifruitella
4:26AM on 05/20/2007
yes yes yes and yes...

they are following the graphic novels on the look of the joker. this is JUST the way it should be. Applaud Christopher Nolan for that - he made it happen. And you gotta prop it up...
yes yes yes and yes...

they are following the graphic novels on the look of the joker. this is JUST the way it should be. Applaud Christopher Nolan for that - he made it happen. And you gotta prop it up for WB indeed, the marketing campaign, not to mention so early is a good one and interesting one.
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cerealkiller182
1:43AM on 05/20/2007
Props for WB for the very creative approach to this. Glad to see there will be a remnant or the funny Joker like in the cartoon inside the sadistic "shark like" Joker Heath keeps talking about. The pic on Batman on Fi...
Props for WB for the very creative approach to this. Glad to see there will be a remnant or the funny Joker like in the cartoon inside the sadistic "shark like" Joker Heath keeps talking about. The pic on Batman on Film looks amazing.
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The Phantom
12:25AM on 05/20/2007
It's a good feeling, knowing that I've cleared two pixels from the picture obstructing our first real view of Heath as the Joker... I'm gonna go clear a few more.
It's a good feeling, knowing that I've cleared two pixels from the picture obstructing our first real view of Heath as the Joker... I'm gonna go clear a few more.
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Those cards
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12:16AM on 05/20/2007
would be a helluva collectors item. I might actually buy a comic book again to get a few of them.
would be a helluva collectors item. I might actually buy a comic book again to get a few of them.
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Effective Campain
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12:13AM on 05/20/2007
but very little payoff so far. I expect you have to return again and again daily for this to actually show you that blank Joker face. Where's the teeth? The pixel they cleared wasn't on either Dent or the Joker.
but very little payoff so far. I expect you have to return again and again daily for this to actually show you that blank Joker face. Where's the teeth? The pixel they cleared wasn't on either Dent or the Joker.
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WOW!
moises08
12:07AM on 05/20/2007
I'm did it but i'm still a little lost on what to do next. STILL! THIS IS FRIGGIN AMAZING! GREAT WAY TO TEASE THE FANS!
I'm did it but i'm still a little lost on what to do next. STILL! THIS IS FRIGGIN AMAZING! GREAT WAY TO TEASE THE FANS!
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