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17 minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey found in pristine condition?

12.20.2010

UPDATE - Warner Bros. has released a statement on the "found footage" from 2001: "The additional footage from 2001: A Space Odyssey has always existed in the Warner vaults. When Kubrick trimmed the 17 minutes from 2001 after the NY premiere, he made it clear the shortened version was his final edit. The film is as he wanted it to be presented and preserved and Warner Home Video has no plans to expand or revise Mr. Kubrick's vision."

Douglas Trumbull, Special Effects Supervisor on 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY, recently revealed that Warner Bros. unearthed 17-minutes of footage Stanley Kubrick cut from the film prior to the release. Cause I was just thinking how 2001 should be a little longer!

As the legend goes, after the premiere of 2001 in 1968, Kubrick felt there were some pacing issues with the film and before it went to audiences around the world, he took the film back in the editing room and spliced between 17-19 minutes. According to those who have seen the original, shots included Dave searching for a replacement antenna part, HAL severing communication between the "Discovery" and Frank Poole's pod and a longer "Dawn of Man" sequence.

While that footage seemed "lost," Warner Bros. has reportedly found a "pristine" copy of these missing scenes. Of course the big question is what Warner Bros. plans to do with the footage. I think editing it back into the film is a big mistake and would surely be something that Kubrick would protest (as would, I'm sure, his estate). I think it's historically relevant and should be made public in some way, shape or form, but perhaps as extras on a new special edition Blu-ray. Or let Trumbull finish his documentary "2001: Beyond the Infinite" and include some of those shots in his film.

What do you think? Would you like to see the original "Premiere Cut" of 2001 or are you happy with the version that Kubrick blessed for theaters? How do you think WB should present this footage to the public or should they present it at all?

Source: The Film Stage

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7:47PM on 12/21/2010

Eh

I wouldn't mind them making a special edition as long as everyone knows it's not to update/replace the original. Just a fun extra for fans of the film to watch. Specially since the extra footage was taken out only for time which I feel most fans don't care about.
I wouldn't mind them making a special edition as long as everyone knows it's not to update/replace the original. Just a fun extra for fans of the film to watch. Specially since the extra footage was taken out only for time which I feel most fans don't care about.
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12:55PM on 12/21/2010

DVD Extras

I'd like to see the footage as an extra on a DVD or BluRay.

We don't need some hack trying to reinsert new footage into a Kubrick film.

We'll end up with a hundred fan edits online anyway.
I'd like to see the footage as an extra on a DVD or BluRay.

We don't need some hack trying to reinsert new footage into a Kubrick film.

We'll end up with a hundred fan edits online anyway.
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7:01AM on 12/21/2010
I remember showing my mom scenes from this flick a couple months ago and completely blowing her away. Then I threw in the real kicker that this movie was made before we even landed on the moon and she was stunned. Truly an amazing film that gets more and more interesting the more you watch it.

I, for one, would love to see some of the extra footage just to see just what else was in Kubrick's demented little brain.
I remember showing my mom scenes from this flick a couple months ago and completely blowing her away. Then I threw in the real kicker that this movie was made before we even landed on the moon and she was stunned. Truly an amazing film that gets more and more interesting the more you watch it.

I, for one, would love to see some of the extra footage just to see just what else was in Kubrick's demented little brain.
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5:03PM on 12/20/2010

I'll take the theatrical release.

These scenes seem mundane as it is, and Kubrick himself deciding to remove them is reason enough for me to accept the theatrical release as the 'true' version of 2001. wouldnt mind seeing them on a blu-ray behind the scenes though
These scenes seem mundane as it is, and Kubrick himself deciding to remove them is reason enough for me to accept the theatrical release as the 'true' version of 2001. wouldnt mind seeing them on a blu-ray behind the scenes though
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12:24AM on 12/20/2010
just release a blue-ray with 2 versions the long version and the normal version and then have a special feature where you can view it seperately.
just release a blue-ray with 2 versions the long version and the normal version and then have a special feature where you can view it seperately.
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11:29AM on 12/18/2010
Yeah sure, stick the footage back into the film, re-release it, we'll watch it and then we'll all go piss on Kubrick's grave as a cherry on top.
Yeah sure, stick the footage back into the film, re-release it, we'll watch it and then we'll all go piss on Kubrick's grave as a cherry on top.
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6:19AM on 12/18/2010

Release the footage now!

Come on Warner Bros, release a special edition Blu ray with the found scenes pronto!!!
Come on Warner Bros, release a special edition Blu ray with the found scenes pronto!!!
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3:00AM on 12/18/2010

2001

Been a huge fan of 2001 for many years now and finally caught it on the big screen. The TIFF light box in Toronto is screening it all month and it's superb in 70mm. Couldn't look better. I would put it up against any IMAX film any day. Simply beautiful.
Been a huge fan of 2001 for many years now and finally caught it on the big screen. The TIFF light box in Toronto is screening it all month and it's superb in 70mm. Couldn't look better. I would put it up against any IMAX film any day. Simply beautiful.
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6:31PM on 12/17/2010

Neat

I'd love to see it as a bonus feature, or even a branching option on a blu-ray to watch both versions. I'd hate to see it go to waste in a documentary because then we'd probably get screwed out of the whole thing, like the Stoltz footage (or EXTREME lack thereof) in the new BttF documentary.
I'd love to see it as a bonus feature, or even a branching option on a blu-ray to watch both versions. I'd hate to see it go to waste in a documentary because then we'd probably get screwed out of the whole thing, like the Stoltz footage (or EXTREME lack thereof) in the new BttF documentary.
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5:19PM on 12/17/2010

Very cool

This film is a masterpiece, the greatest science fiction film ever made for sure. I would be very interested in seeing this lost footage reinstated in the film....just for completest sake. It's not like the original version is going away or anything.
This film is a masterpiece, the greatest science fiction film ever made for sure. I would be very interested in seeing this lost footage reinstated in the film....just for completest sake. It's not like the original version is going away or anything.
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2:56PM on 12/17/2010
I still consider 2001 the greatest film ever made, but I don't think the new footage should be edited back in. If anything, it should be added as deleted scenes on a Criterion release. I'd love to see it.
I still consider 2001 the greatest film ever made, but I don't think the new footage should be edited back in. If anything, it should be added as deleted scenes on a Criterion release. I'd love to see it.
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1:50PM on 12/17/2010

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I love 2001 dearly, but I believe it's fair to find the film boring even if you understand and appreciate its artistic purposes and merrit; come to that, understanding it within its own time frame doesn't seem really vital to liking it (If Kubrick has made it in 20 years on, I don't believe much would have been much different). A little patience, film experience, and a taste for Kubrick seem far more beneficial.

Anyway, it'd be neat to see the clips, but I'm fine never to.
I love 2001 dearly, but I believe it's fair to find the film boring even if you understand and appreciate its artistic purposes and merrit; come to that, understanding it within its own time frame doesn't seem really vital to liking it (If Kubrick has made it in 20 years on, I don't believe much would have been much different). A little patience, film experience, and a taste for Kubrick seem far more beneficial.

Anyway, it'd be neat to see the clips, but I'm fine never to.
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11:10AM on 12/17/2010
Include it as either just deleted scenes or put it back into the film using branching so you have the standard and extended cuts. Either way, it'll be interesting to see the footage.
Include it as either just deleted scenes or put it back into the film using branching so you have the standard and extended cuts. Either way, it'll be interesting to see the footage.
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10:44AM on 12/17/2010
Anyone who finds 2001 boring, needs to understand it in the context of the time it was made. And probably been spoiled by decades of ADD-induced editing.

I don't think re-cutting the film is a great idea, but as soon as this footage is available...someone else WILL do it.
Anyone who finds 2001 boring, needs to understand it in the context of the time it was made. And probably been spoiled by decades of ADD-induced editing.

I don't think re-cutting the film is a great idea, but as soon as this footage is available...someone else WILL do it.
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10:44AM on 12/17/2010

Just

make the footage bonus material on the next re-release of the film. Don't add it back in. Obviously Kubrick didn't want it in the movie itself. If people are making documentaries about 2001 or Kubrick, then I think this footage should be made available to them as well. That makes sense.
make the footage bonus material on the next re-release of the film. Don't add it back in. Obviously Kubrick didn't want it in the movie itself. If people are making documentaries about 2001 or Kubrick, then I think this footage should be made available to them as well. That makes sense.
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10:38AM on 12/17/2010
I can understand some apprehension to adding the additional footage, particularly if Kubrick felt that it hurt the pacing.

I think a good thing to do would be to release a new BRD/DVD combo. On the discs you would have the option of watching the cut scenes by themselves, integrated in to the "theatrical premiere cut", or just watch the cut as we've known it for the past four decades.

They push this version out on BRD and they can make some freshly minted duckets easily.
I can understand some apprehension to adding the additional footage, particularly if Kubrick felt that it hurt the pacing.

I think a good thing to do would be to release a new BRD/DVD combo. On the discs you would have the option of watching the cut scenes by themselves, integrated in to the "theatrical premiere cut", or just watch the cut as we've known it for the past four decades.

They push this version out on BRD and they can make some freshly minted duckets easily.
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10:23AM on 12/17/2010
Personally, I think the movie as is could do without the whole section between The Dawn Of Man and the intro to the Discovery. The thought of a 17-minutes-longer version boggles my mind.
Personally, I think the movie as is could do without the whole section between The Dawn Of Man and the intro to the Discovery. The thought of a 17-minutes-longer version boggles my mind.
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10:07AM on 12/17/2010
My God, I was reading the headlines and thinking "what footage could have been so boring that Kubrick cut it from 2001?! Did he cut the scene where they boiled water to Mozart's Requiem??!!"

Christ, the first half of 2001 makes the Enterprise flyby in the beginning of Star Trek the Motion Picture look like a roller coaster thrill ride. The docking scene in 2001 is like watching a car park in a really long drive way at 2 miles an hour while someone plays the nutcracker suite.
My God, I was reading the headlines and thinking "what footage could have been so boring that Kubrick cut it from 2001?! Did he cut the scene where they boiled water to Mozart's Requiem??!!"

Christ, the first half of 2001 makes the Enterprise flyby in the beginning of Star Trek the Motion Picture look like a roller coaster thrill ride. The docking scene in 2001 is like watching a car park in a really long drive way at 2 miles an hour while someone plays the nutcracker suite.
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11:03AM on 12/20/2010
Hahahaha
Hahahaha
11:58AM on 12/20/2010
Well, at least someone had a sense of humor.
Well, at least someone had a sense of humor.
9:53AM on 12/17/2010
Sweet now it will finally run five hours and seventeen minutes long!! God there is a santa!!!
Sweet now it will finally run five hours and seventeen minutes long!! God there is a santa!!!
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9:28AM on 12/17/2010

This is my favourite movie of all time.

This is fantastic! But I'm not interested in seeing it put into the film. Maybe as some deleted scenes in a Criterion edition but that's it. The movie is perfect as is. It's really just a curiosity to me.
This is fantastic! But I'm not interested in seeing it put into the film. Maybe as some deleted scenes in a Criterion edition but that's it. The movie is perfect as is. It's really just a curiosity to me.
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9:18AM on 12/17/2010
This is awesome. I understand the need to respect the director's vision, but screening an extended version in theaters or putting this version on a special edition Blu-ray would not be disrespectful, in my opinion. The original version still exists as Kubrick intended audiences to experience it. It's not like another director is talking about re-shooting those 17 minutes. This is unseen Kubrick footage...let his fans see it!
This is awesome. I understand the need to respect the director's vision, but screening an extended version in theaters or putting this version on a special edition Blu-ray would not be disrespectful, in my opinion. The original version still exists as Kubrick intended audiences to experience it. It's not like another director is talking about re-shooting those 17 minutes. This is unseen Kubrick footage...let his fans see it!
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