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Kevin Smith splitting Hit Somebody into two films

Aug. 15, 2011by: Paul Tassi

When you're crafting a movie around a five minute song about hockey, you wouldn't think that you'd actually have too MUCH source material to go on, but that's a problem Kevin Smith has had as of late.

While writing the screenplay for HIT SOMEBODY, Smith realized that he had too much material for just one film. Rather than hack it down, his new plan is to release the film in two parts a-la-KILL BILL. But does Smith have as much draw as Tarantino or say, TWILIGHT or HARRY POTTER that he can get away with that rare move?

Yes, he has legions of devoted fans to be sure, but it seems like a bit of a risky move. In a Canadian RED STATE Q&A, Smith said that the first film will follow Buddy as he grows up and learns to play, and the second would be his career in the NHL as an enforcer.

Smith is supposedly trying to get some of his past favorite actors into the film in some capacity, including Damon and Affleck, which would help prospects for a two-parter. Overall, it doesn't seem like the most logical move however to split the relatively non-high profile film in half.

Will you see both halves of HIT SOMEBODY?

Extra Tidbit: I hope RED STATE is as good as it appears to be.
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10:13AM on 08/16/2011

I want to believe in Kevin Smith

He came in with the 90's wave when a lot of us were really beginning to take movies seriously. But it just seems that this all really "belongs" to him, if that makes any sense. He's not messing up. He's not losing his mind. This is the guy who made Clerks, pursuing his career, and it just isn't working very well, kind of like the guy who made that awesome Sixth Sense flick continues to flounder. This is the perspective That film maker has to offer At This Phase.
That said, I still don't
He came in with the 90's wave when a lot of us were really beginning to take movies seriously. But it just seems that this all really "belongs" to him, if that makes any sense. He's not messing up. He's not losing his mind. This is the guy who made Clerks, pursuing his career, and it just isn't working very well, kind of like the guy who made that awesome Sixth Sense flick continues to flounder. This is the perspective That film maker has to offer At This Phase.
That said, I still don't know how he figures two movies is a good idea. You can't afford to be indulgent at this stage. You've got to wow people with the bare minimum required from them. ...I wish my pal the best.
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4:41AM on 08/16/2011
If they market this as being Kevin Smith's final film and he really does manage to populate it with every actor he's ever worked with as he intends (we’re talking Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Chris Rock, Alan Rickman, Selma Hayek, etc.) then it might just have a shot at working as two films and make a decent profit. I mean, these days it's not even likely that he'll need a studio to finance it. If he can get the funds together he might be able to do whatever he wants.

Bottom line: I'll gladly
If they market this as being Kevin Smith's final film and he really does manage to populate it with every actor he's ever worked with as he intends (we’re talking Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Chris Rock, Alan Rickman, Selma Hayek, etc.) then it might just have a shot at working as two films and make a decent profit. I mean, these days it's not even likely that he'll need a studio to finance it. If he can get the funds together he might be able to do whatever he wants.

Bottom line: I'll gladly pay to see the final film from Kevin Smith, even if it is split in two. I owe him that much for CLERKS and MALLRATS (fuck you, I love MALLRATS).
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11:50PM on 08/15/2011

1st off

who want's to see a Kevin Smith movie anymore.
2nd who want's to see a hockey movie
3rd what asshole is gonna see a Kevin Smith directed hockey movie two seperate times.....I guarantee this never meets the light of day
who want's to see a Kevin Smith movie anymore.
2nd who want's to see a hockey movie
3rd what asshole is gonna see a Kevin Smith directed hockey movie two seperate times.....I guarantee this never meets the light of day
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12:54AM on 08/16/2011
1. I still sorta do.
2. I do.
3. ... ok you got me there
1. I still sorta do.
2. I do.
3. ... ok you got me there
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11:49PM on 08/15/2011
I hate it when they split movies in two..I'm STILL waiting for Kill Bill:The Whole Bloody Affair.
I hate it when they split movies in two..I'm STILL waiting for Kill Bill:The Whole Bloody Affair.
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9:59PM on 08/15/2011
I used to love Kevin Smith. I still like "Chasing Amy" and "Clerks 2" and even "Jersey Girl". But this guy is really losing his fucking mind. I don't like the fact that they split "Potter" into two films. Fuck you Kevin Smith.
I used to love Kevin Smith. I still like "Chasing Amy" and "Clerks 2" and even "Jersey Girl". But this guy is really losing his fucking mind. I don't like the fact that they split "Potter" into two films. Fuck you Kevin Smith.
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9:26PM on 08/15/2011

see both parts???

if i see so much as a television ad airing, im leaving the house until its over.
if i see so much as a television ad airing, im leaving the house until its over.
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8:25PM on 08/15/2011

he said he was at page 130 or so

And that he had so much more material. red state was pretty good and filled with twist and turns. The days of the view askew universe are over. He was very passioned about Hit somebody. I'll be in for part 1 for sure. See red state if you can. Even if you don't like the film Kevin is always an entertaining speaker!
And that he had so much more material. red state was pretty good and filled with twist and turns. The days of the view askew universe are over. He was very passioned about Hit somebody. I'll be in for part 1 for sure. See red state if you can. Even if you don't like the film Kevin is always an entertaining speaker!
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8:18PM on 08/15/2011

Thinking Ahead

Kill Bill 1 & 2 worked because a Tarantino movie is an event. No one waits for a Kevin Smith movie.

So after Part 1 bombs... what then?
Kill Bill 1 & 2 worked because a Tarantino movie is an event. No one waits for a Kevin Smith movie.

So after Part 1 bombs... what then?
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7:27PM on 08/15/2011
This guy is losing his mind.
This guy is losing his mind.
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7:13PM on 08/15/2011
Somebody hit Kevin Smith so it'll knock some sense into him.
Somebody hit Kevin Smith so it'll knock some sense into him.
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6:58PM on 08/15/2011

Sorry for the rant guys!

Okay, my opinion on splitting the films is mixed simply because I think Kevin Smith fears he's becoming irrelevant, but it's also his fear of irrelevancy which pushes him to make good work.
His work on 'Red State' and the 'Hit Somebody' split smack of desperatism, which could pay off for us fans.
By this I mean, he seems to work under the pressure that people will stop caring about anything he does.
This can be seen in his Twitter rants and false modesty. I mean, how often have we heard
Okay, my opinion on splitting the films is mixed simply because I think Kevin Smith fears he's becoming irrelevant, but it's also his fear of irrelevancy which pushes him to make good work.
His work on 'Red State' and the 'Hit Somebody' split smack of desperatism, which could pay off for us fans.
By this I mean, he seems to work under the pressure that people will stop caring about anything he does.
This can be seen in his Twitter rants and false modesty. I mean, how often have we heard Smith talk about his little dick? Or how fat he is? Or how people should leave him alone for being a fatty from Jersey? Also, how many mature people really argue over Twitter? He may argue that he's standing up for himself every time someone calls his erratic decisions into question, but why the audience? And why finish every rant with some 'don't blame me, I'm just some weed smoking fat guy'-esque false modesty
This can also be seen with how catty and bitchy he gets whenever audiences and critics trash one of his film, and then conveniently attempts to make a more heartfelt picture. So for example, 'Chasing Amy' and 'Dogma' followed 'Mallrats' after the latter tanked (initially, it's a cult hit now) and got poor reviews. Which is especially interesting since the characters' "sell-out"-comic in Chasing Amy is supposed to represent Smith's work on 'Mallrats'. 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back' was meant to be a swan-song for the characters, and then more sincere, heartfelt work would follow. Except 'Jersey Girl' was torn apart too, so it drove him back to the characters which made him relevant to begin with in 'Clerks 2'.
Now the 'Cop Out' critical thrashing seems to be paying off for us fans, because 'Red State' and 'Hit Somebody' seem very interesting. But I think he's taken it too far, by trying these extra little pushes for relevancy. I mean, seriously. So long as 'Red State's' a good film, and pleases its intended audiences, why should Smith give a shit how much money the distributors spend on marketing? This split for 'Hit Somebody' also seems like a push too far to get audiences to give Kev the same reaction he had in the 90s. I mean, it's a movie about hockey, do we need 2 films worth of hockey?
We'll probably get some page-long Twitter explanation about how this was done for artistic merit and had nothing to do with his ego, but I don't buy it. Just as I don't buy anything he says about film distribution when, most filmmakers, don't care about who is distributing their films so long as they're being put out there.
I have to apologise for the rant, guys. I like his work still, and Kevin Smith's decline into bitterness seems to be helping his filmmaking. I'm still excited for his projects. It's just I can feel the personality and the ego a little more with each project and it's somewhat infuriating.
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10:06PM on 08/15/2011
Well said man, well said.
Well said man, well said.
10:23AM on 08/16/2011
i concur. well said and worth the read.
i concur. well said and worth the read.
1:17AM on 08/18/2011
It's a bitter truth you have there, especially for those that still count ourselves as fans, though you kind of missed the point on the Red State marketing issue.

Smith is right, he doesn't need traditional marketing because he truly does have a built-in audience and very rarely gets a deeper market penetration than that. $4 million is an easier number to work with than $20 million.

He gives a shit because this is his first independent film since Clerks which he wrote four years ago and
It's a bitter truth you have there, especially for those that still count ourselves as fans, though you kind of missed the point on the Red State marketing issue.

Smith is right, he doesn't need traditional marketing because he truly does have a built-in audience and very rarely gets a deeper market penetration than that. $4 million is an easier number to work with than $20 million.

He gives a shit because this is his first independent film since Clerks which he wrote four years ago and had to make two of his worst movies to date to make it happen. I'm not sure I would call that ego but even if I did I couldn't fault him for it. He has no reason to try for relevancy because he has achieved it within the audience he has built for himself.

I know it is a pain to read a rebuttal from the guy who has a Jay and Silent Bob avatar I'm sure, and I have even noted on these very boards that I find myself apologizing for him and his flicks more often than not, but I am a fan through and through. He is the reason I picked up a camera and have the career I have.

I listen to his podcasts (all 502 of them), I saw him live at NAB this past April and I have to say that ego and bitterness do not describe Smith at all. He just enjoys what he does and is frustrated that he has plateaued fiscally while never forgetting to appreciate the people that keep his career alive. The "I'm fat"¯ and "I have a small dick" aren't failed attempts at feigned modesty, they are the deflections of a self-conscious man that he thinks are funny (they aren't).

I'm sorry to post a rant to answer your rant and while I don't agree with most of what you said, I will listen to his next smodcast for traces of his ego that I may have not picked up on before.
6:26PM on 08/15/2011

I'm in

I still like his stuff - I'll buy a ticket... or two. But I've always thought Hockey movies were unmakable... (except for Slapshot #1)
I still like his stuff - I'll buy a ticket... or two. But I've always thought Hockey movies were unmakable... (except for Slapshot #1)
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6:04PM on 08/15/2011
I think it would be cool to see a lot of Kevin's past regulars show-up in his final film(s). I'll check them both out.
I think it would be cool to see a lot of Kevin's past regulars show-up in his final film(s). I'll check them both out.
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6:03PM on 08/15/2011

I'm a hockey nut, I love the story and I love this song

but this is a horrible idea, I don't see where they would cut it off at all, this is an idea that fits PERFECTLY into a single film, not divided into two. The point of the song is basically a guy coming up through the ranks and all he wants to do if score a goal and be the hero, but he was born with a different skill set, he was a hitter - and a fighter, but all he wanted to do was score, and then at the end of the song he finally scores on a wobbly shot with one second or so left and he wins
but this is a horrible idea, I don't see where they would cut it off at all, this is an idea that fits PERFECTLY into a single film, not divided into two. The point of the song is basically a guy coming up through the ranks and all he wants to do if score a goal and be the hero, but he was born with a different skill set, he was a hitter - and a fighter, but all he wanted to do was score, and then at the end of the song he finally scores on a wobbly shot with one second or so left and he wins the game for his team, accomplishing his life long goal... how you split that up into two movies makes absolutely no sense to me... it's just dragging it out way too much and I think losing the effect of the journey of the character
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1:20AM on 08/16/2011
Damn dude, how about a spoiler alert next time =)
Damn dude, how about a spoiler alert next time =)
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5:59PM on 08/15/2011

There's a new Big Momma's House!?!?!

Oh....it's just Kevin Smith in his mu mu.
Oh....it's just Kevin Smith in his mu mu.
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3:14PM on 08/15/2011
If this is his last directed work like he has said, why not let him go out with a bang. That being said, I love me some Kevin Smith films, good or bad, but I really hate sports films and I really think this one will hurt.

The two movies thing isn't a bad idea financially either. Two Kevin Smith movies still cost less than one mainstream movie and he know how to turn a profit on his merchandise. I think it may just work for him.
If this is his last directed work like he has said, why not let him go out with a bang. That being said, I love me some Kevin Smith films, good or bad, but I really hate sports films and I really think this one will hurt.

The two movies thing isn't a bad idea financially either. Two Kevin Smith movies still cost less than one mainstream movie and he know how to turn a profit on his merchandise. I think it may just work for him.
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3:00PM on 08/15/2011

Like I love the guy, but that might just be too much.

Is everything in the script really so integral to the story? I mean the man'll do what the man'll do, but a 2 and a half hour movie would probably be better off than 2 hour and a half movies. (If my horrible wording makes enough sense)
Is everything in the script really so integral to the story? I mean the man'll do what the man'll do, but a 2 and a half hour movie would probably be better off than 2 hour and a half movies. (If my horrible wording makes enough sense)
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2:52PM on 08/15/2011
Red State is bad ass and im sure Hit Somebody will be also
Red State is bad ass and im sure Hit Somebody will be also
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2:38PM on 08/15/2011

This is a bad idea

It won't work. His movies outside the View Askewniverse dont make money. Heck, his movies IN the view askewniverse barely make money. Sure his fans will see it. His biggest box office was Cop-Out. made 18million at the box office. His largest View Askewniverse movie, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, made 11million. Please tell me how to justify breaking a Kevin Smith film into two? Maybe if his fans keep his movies above 60 million, but they dont.
It won't work. His movies outside the View Askewniverse dont make money. Heck, his movies IN the view askewniverse barely make money. Sure his fans will see it. His biggest box office was Cop-Out. made 18million at the box office. His largest View Askewniverse movie, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, made 11million. Please tell me how to justify breaking a Kevin Smith film into two? Maybe if his fans keep his movies above 60 million, but they dont.
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3:02PM on 08/15/2011
Umm...you do know that movies are out longer than opening weekend right?
Umm...you do know that movies are out longer than opening weekend right?
3:26PM on 08/15/2011
He usually doubles down on his movies...Usually. Cop-Out cost $30 million and made $55.5 million world wide. Zack and Miri $24 million/$42 million. Clerks 2 $5 million/ $26 million.
Now those figures are considering the production budget only and not the marketing budget, so I'm sure the figures are less, but he still turns a profit no matter how marginal.

If he can make the 2 chapters of Hit Somebody for less that $30 million and stick to his new marketing plan (which is no marketing at
He usually doubles down on his movies...Usually. Cop-Out cost $30 million and made $55.5 million world wide. Zack and Miri $24 million/$42 million. Clerks 2 $5 million/ $26 million.
Now those figures are considering the production budget only and not the marketing budget, so I'm sure the figures are less, but he still turns a profit no matter how marginal.

If he can make the 2 chapters of Hit Somebody for less that $30 million and stick to his new marketing plan (which is no marketing at all) then he should be able to pull a 35% to 50% profit solely from his built in audience,
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2:11PM on 08/15/2011
I respect the fact that he doesn't want to cut it down to one movie, and try to cram it all in. But, I'm sure it also has to do with him wanting to squeeze out as much as he can from it, since this is supposedly his "last movie".

But, it will be hard for him to draw enough for 2 films. He has a following, still, but it has become even smaller over the years, due to lack luster box office performance, and dickish moves in the media.

Only way it will work is if that 1st movie is epic, gets
I respect the fact that he doesn't want to cut it down to one movie, and try to cram it all in. But, I'm sure it also has to do with him wanting to squeeze out as much as he can from it, since this is supposedly his "last movie".

But, it will be hard for him to draw enough for 2 films. He has a following, still, but it has become even smaller over the years, due to lack luster box office performance, and dickish moves in the media.

Only way it will work is if that 1st movie is epic, gets a lot of good buzz, and draws in new crowds and demos he never had before for the 2nd.
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2:04PM on 08/15/2011

Will you see both halves of HIT SOMEBODY?

Hell fucking no.
Hell fucking no.
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1:55PM on 08/15/2011

why two films?

cuz kevin smith can't trim the fat.

*nelson voice* haha!
cuz kevin smith can't trim the fat.

*nelson voice* haha!
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1:53PM on 08/15/2011
Yes! I am a huge Kevin Smith. I have been playing hockey now for 16 years and have been waiting for another good hockey film for a while. The good ones being Miracle, Mystery Alaska and Slap SHo (of course). Smith is a HUGE hockey fan and I am sure he knows what he is doing. More pumped for this film than Sean WIlliam Scott's and Jay Baruchel's films
Yes! I am a huge Kevin Smith. I have been playing hockey now for 16 years and have been waiting for another good hockey film for a while. The good ones being Miracle, Mystery Alaska and Slap SHo (of course). Smith is a HUGE hockey fan and I am sure he knows what he is doing. More pumped for this film than Sean WIlliam Scott's and Jay Baruchel's films
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1:52PM on 08/15/2011
Will wait and see how this plays out. Thanks for the info.
Will wait and see how this plays out. Thanks for the info.
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