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Movie Jail: This week's defendant is...Tim Burton!

Aug. 27, 2012by: Johnny Moreno

Welcome to Movie Jail, a facility like any other, only its inmates are Hollywood writers, directors, actors and producers. This column will serve as a Movie Jail trial. We will put one defendant on trial; lay out arguments for the Prosecution and Defense. And we leave it up to YOU, the reader, to decide whether the defendant is guilty of his or her crime. What crime? The crime of consistently being a stinking shithouse.

The Defendant


Tim Burton

The Case

The Prosecution: Dark Shadows, Alice in Wonderland, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Planet of the Apes, Batman Returns.*

Ladies and gentleman of the jury, it pains the prosecution to bring Mr. Burton to trial, but when soliciting the court for who should take the stand next, the name brought up that provided the most interesting argument was Mr. Tim Burton. The prosecution recognizes that it's been some time since Mr. Burton has had a "fan favorite" hit, but should that excuse his recent string of shit filled burritos? While Mr. Burton has given the public visually impressive movies over the last decade, it's like picking up a knockout of a stripper, only to find out that she has all the personality of plywood. But with way better tits. Do we feel the book should be thrown at Mr. Burton? Not necessarily. But there does need to be some kind of court appointed discipline to show Mr. Burton that just because you slap eye makeup on Johnny Depp and throw him in a cloak, it doesn't automatically make the film a hit. Alice in Wonderland. Really? Dark Shadows. Effin' REALLY??!?! The man needs to be stopped before he does any more damage to his legacy.

The Defense: Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Beetlejuice, Batman, Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow, Big Fish.*

Ladies and Gentleman of the jury, who doesn't like Johnny Depp in eye makeup and a cloak? Terrorists and conservatives, that's who. Mr. Burton has created some of the most interesting and original characters of the past quarter century, not to mention that it's not every year/decade we find a director with such a unique vision that is truly HIS. Look at the first string of movies: Pee Wee, Beetlejuice, Batman, Edward Scissorhands. His next flick Batman Returns definitely has its fans and detractors (looking at you Prosecution) but he then followed that up with Ed Wood, a winner of two Academy Awards (Best Supporting Actor Martin Landau and Best Makeup). Is that an accident? No. And before the book is totally written on his career, we WILL see Mr. Burton prove the prosecution wrong with another string of solid, unique character driven movies. If Mr. Burton fails to deliver, the defense will personally escort him to Movie Jail.


IN CLOSING...

So, what’s to be done with Mr. Tim Burton? Are his recent string of less than stellar movies enough for a conviction? Is it possible for Mr. Burton to redeem himself with the upcoming Frankenweenie or is that not enough? Does Mr. Burton still posses the potential to blow our minds like he has in the past? And the most important question to be asked, once all evidence is taken into consideration, we ask you The Jury, is Tim Burton GUILTY or NOT GUILTY? Let’s hear YOUR arguments, either side, by STRIKING BACK BELOW.

*The court recognizes that all movies are subjective, so relax.

WHAT SAY YOU, GUILTY OR NOT?


LAST WEEK'S VERDICT

It is the jury's decision that after reviewing last week's evidence, the court finds Mr. Nic Cage NOT GUILTY of all charges. The jury threw this court room into a tailspin by vehemently supporting Mr. Cage's innocence, with the most common defense being that had it been any other actor in Mr. Cage's "crazy" roles, the movies wouldn't be half as watchable. Plus, ONE ARMED PUSHUPS, BITCH. (thanks to Jimbo for the linkage).

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11:30AM on 08/31/2012

Not Guilty

From Pee Wee's Big Adventure all the way to Sleepy Hollow Burton constantly delivered. Yeah, Planet of The Apes wasn't that good, but then Burton Bounced back with Big Fish. Charlie & the Chocolate Factory as well as Corpse Bride were quite forgettable. Although personally I thought Sweeny Todd had great Burton style & characters, it wasn't my cup of tea. Honestly his last 2 outings with Alice In Wonderland & Dark Shadows were just not good. I agree that Burton's style is getting stale &
From Pee Wee's Big Adventure all the way to Sleepy Hollow Burton constantly delivered. Yeah, Planet of The Apes wasn't that good, but then Burton Bounced back with Big Fish. Charlie & the Chocolate Factory as well as Corpse Bride were quite forgettable. Although personally I thought Sweeny Todd had great Burton style & characters, it wasn't my cup of tea. Honestly his last 2 outings with Alice In Wonderland & Dark Shadows were just not good. I agree that Burton's style is getting stale & he may need to branch out a little more, but I think it is way too early to place him in Movie Jail.
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5:56PM on 08/30/2012

I don't know...guilty I guess because..

I think he spends more time on whats left of his hair than he does thinking about his work. I think he's grown complacent and it shows. Sweeny Todd was ambitious for him. I'll give him that, though I didnt care for it.
C'mon Dude, freak me out again. Until then I say Guilty.
I think he spends more time on whats left of his hair than he does thinking about his work. I think he's grown complacent and it shows. Sweeny Todd was ambitious for him. I'll give him that, though I didnt care for it.
C'mon Dude, freak me out again. Until then I say Guilty.
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4:31PM on 08/28/2012
The man is GUILTY. His over use of CGI is a hinder to his creative side, bring back the old school Burton. The ability to do anything with computers these days has in my mind hurt Burton and restricted his creative mind. If that makes any sense.
The man is GUILTY. His over use of CGI is a hinder to his creative side, bring back the old school Burton. The ability to do anything with computers these days has in my mind hurt Burton and restricted his creative mind. If that makes any sense.
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8:37AM on 08/28/2012

Prosecution is nuts...

...bringing up Batman Returns. That is still one of his very best.
Maybe his latest efforts haven't shown the same level of originality and well crafted storytelling as Big Fish, Sleepy Hollow or Edward Scissorhand, but they were still all very entertaining and enjoyable movies showcasing his unique visual style and quirk. Okay, Alice was mediocre and Planet of the Apes pretty dull. But c'mon! There was nothing downright bad in any of his films.

However I would like to cut a deal with the
...bringing up Batman Returns. That is still one of his very best.
Maybe his latest efforts haven't shown the same level of originality and well crafted storytelling as Big Fish, Sleepy Hollow or Edward Scissorhand, but they were still all very entertaining and enjoyable movies showcasing his unique visual style and quirk. Okay, Alice was mediocre and Planet of the Apes pretty dull. But c'mon! There was nothing downright bad in any of his films.

However I would like to cut a deal with the prosecution. We settle the case with Burton going free. BUT we also file a restraining order that forbids him to work with Johnny Depp (or any animated or puppet version of him) for the next... let's say four movies. And at least half of them have to be based on original screenplays and not adaptations of material previously published.
But locking him away from doing movies entirely? NO! That would be harsh overreacting.

Next up: Robert Zemeckis
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7:47AM on 08/28/2012

Not Guilty

I was actually kicked out of watching Alice in Wonderland due to a situation out of my own control but I was thankful. Burton is not the man he once was. However, that being said, he has given us such original unique films that the latter half of his career hasn't tainted that. Not yet, anyway. More films like Alice and Dark Shadows will ultimately destroy such a visionary director's work. But as for now, I say he's still ok.
I was actually kicked out of watching Alice in Wonderland due to a situation out of my own control but I was thankful. Burton is not the man he once was. However, that being said, he has given us such original unique films that the latter half of his career hasn't tainted that. Not yet, anyway. More films like Alice and Dark Shadows will ultimately destroy such a visionary director's work. But as for now, I say he's still ok.
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6:59AM on 08/28/2012

Guilty

Sorry Tim....
I was on the fence here but considering I have flat out skipped his last couple movies tells me he needs to reassess any plans he has in development. I don't mind his style, I like his style, but it doesn't really belong in a 200 million dollar movie. I think unlike other defendants who just seem lazy Tim's problems stem from his success. He needs to borrow from Rodriguez and self impose budget restrictions and deadlines. A story would help....and take a Disney break.
Sorry Tim....
I was on the fence here but considering I have flat out skipped his last couple movies tells me he needs to reassess any plans he has in development. I don't mind his style, I like his style, but it doesn't really belong in a 200 million dollar movie. I think unlike other defendants who just seem lazy Tim's problems stem from his success. He needs to borrow from Rodriguez and self impose budget restrictions and deadlines. A story would help....and take a Disney break.
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4:40AM on 08/28/2012

NOT GUILTY

Tim Burton is not the director he once was, his most recent films are very one note and uninteresting. however his back catalogue of films is so diverse, interesting and most of all entertaining! positives out weight the negatives
Tim Burton is not the director he once was, his most recent films are very one note and uninteresting. however his back catalogue of films is so diverse, interesting and most of all entertaining! positives out weight the negatives
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3:50AM on 08/28/2012

GUILTY

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3:07AM on 08/28/2012

Not guilty

I'll admit it straight out my first reaction was guilty but then I looked back at some of his recent work and he has enough good things going for him that I had to give him a reprieve. Even some of his most recent work which I consider to be very mixed to straight up crap had great moments (for instance the whole squirrel revolution sequence from Chocolate Facotry cracked me up.) Also Beetlejuice and Ed Wood especially are just straight up awesome. What Tim really needs to do is have some of
I'll admit it straight out my first reaction was guilty but then I looked back at some of his recent work and he has enough good things going for him that I had to give him a reprieve. Even some of his most recent work which I consider to be very mixed to straight up crap had great moments (for instance the whole squirrel revolution sequence from Chocolate Facotry cracked me up.) Also Beetlejuice and Ed Wood especially are just straight up awesome. What Tim really needs to do is have some of his toys taken away from him for his next couple of movies (no Depp and no CGI greenscreen sets to the extreme.) So Tim consider this a drunk driving stop and I'm the very cool cop who realizes your only a little hammered and your 5 minutes from your house, now don't wreck the car and get me knocked off the force ok?
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3:02AM on 08/28/2012

Not guilty

I'll admit it straight out my first reaction was guilty but then I looked back at some of his recent work and he has enough good things going for him that I had to give him a reprieve. Even some of his most recent work which I consider to be very mixed to straight up crap had great moments (for instance the whole squirrel revolution sequence from Chocolate Facotry cracked me up.) Also Beetlejuice and Ed Wood especially are just straight up awesome. What Tim really needs to do is have some of
I'll admit it straight out my first reaction was guilty but then I looked back at some of his recent work and he has enough good things going for him that I had to give him a reprieve. Even some of his most recent work which I consider to be very mixed to straight up crap had great moments (for instance the whole squirrel revolution sequence from Chocolate Facotry cracked me up.) Also Beetlejuice and Ed Wood especially are just straight up awesome. What Tim really needs to do is have some of his toys taken away from him for his next couple of movies (no Depp and no CGI greenscreen sets to the extreme.) So Tim consider this a drunk driving stop and I'm the very cool cop who realizes your only a little hammered and your 5 minutes from your house, now don't wreck the car and get me knocked off the force ok?
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2:14AM on 08/28/2012

Not guilty

That guy is an artist and while his body of work may not be flawless (hell, which director havenīt came up with a turd every now and then), heīs got a vision and an unique style. And if he have to come up with something like Dark Shadows or Planet of the Apes to keep the studios happy and to finance himself smaller more personal movie like Big Fish so be it. Give him the right script and he can still impress. And hell, he brought Batman to the big screen the first time making a dream for a nerd
That guy is an artist and while his body of work may not be flawless (hell, which director havenīt came up with a turd every now and then), heīs got a vision and an unique style. And if he have to come up with something like Dark Shadows or Planet of the Apes to keep the studios happy and to finance himself smaller more personal movie like Big Fish so be it. Give him the right script and he can still impress. And hell, he brought Batman to the big screen the first time making a dream for a nerd like me come true! Many younger fans may forget it but way before a Nolan or a Whedon made names for themselfes, Burton and Donner laid the groundwork and showed that comic book movies, if done right, can make tons of cash and satisfy the fans. Thanks for that.
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11:05PM on 08/27/2012

Guilty As Sin

Burton is probably the guiltiest person to appear before the court so far. He took what was once a unique and different vision and ran it into the ground. A decade since "Edward Scissorhands" & his "Batman" movies, we are still getting swirly, curly bare trees, and menacing looking buildings, etc. It's one thing to have a very specific style, but if that style never grows or changes (while still keeping the same basis) then it's just lazy. And that is his worst crime of all, he's gotten
Burton is probably the guiltiest person to appear before the court so far. He took what was once a unique and different vision and ran it into the ground. A decade since "Edward Scissorhands" & his "Batman" movies, we are still getting swirly, curly bare trees, and menacing looking buildings, etc. It's one thing to have a very specific style, but if that style never grows or changes (while still keeping the same basis) then it's just lazy. And that is his worst crime of all, he's gotten irredeemably lazy.

Next up- Tim Allen
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8:52PM on 08/27/2012

Not Guilty

I know its the cool thing to hate on Burton now, but I don't get it. People say they're sick of his same style, etc. etc. I don't know why. I like Burton's style, and the reason I see his movies is for that style. Do the Burton haters also hate Woody Allen, Wes Anderson, Del Toro, Michael Bay, Terry Gillium, etc? You can argue all these director's have a common style in all their films, just like Burton. If you don't like it, fine. But don't blame the director for sticking to his style. I will
I know its the cool thing to hate on Burton now, but I don't get it. People say they're sick of his same style, etc. etc. I don't know why. I like Burton's style, and the reason I see his movies is for that style. Do the Burton haters also hate Woody Allen, Wes Anderson, Del Toro, Michael Bay, Terry Gillium, etc? You can argue all these director's have a common style in all their films, just like Burton. If you don't like it, fine. But don't blame the director for sticking to his style. I will admit his earlier films are better than his more recent, but the only film of his I'd say was outright bad was Dark Shadows. Alice, Charlie & Chocolate Factory, and Planet of the Apes are a bit underwhelming based on previous versions of the story, but they aren't bad. Almost everything else I'd say he directed was an A or B/B+ in my book.
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8:48PM on 08/27/2012

GUILTY

I'm sorry, but i cant let the guy who did Alice in Wonderland go.
I'm sorry, but i cant let the guy who did Alice in Wonderland go.
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8:09PM on 08/27/2012

GUILTY

He needs more than Frankenweenie and Johnny Depp to save his career. He's had far too many chances to do original works(even with the remakes) and instead just mass produces another Tim Burton movie. Goth setting/tone, Johnny Depp in make up playing an odd ball yet rehashed character, overused CGI etc. He'd need multiple original movies (a new style even) in row to be saved from this crap he's been putting his name on.

Just in it for the $$$.
He needs more than Frankenweenie and Johnny Depp to save his career. He's had far too many chances to do original works(even with the remakes) and instead just mass produces another Tim Burton movie. Goth setting/tone, Johnny Depp in make up playing an odd ball yet rehashed character, overused CGI etc. He'd need multiple original movies (a new style even) in row to be saved from this crap he's been putting his name on.

Just in it for the $$$.
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8:08PM on 08/27/2012

GUILTY

Despite the fact that Johnny Depp seems to be his best friend (which almost lets him off with a stern reprimand), Burton deserves hard time for Planet Of The Apes alone.
Despite the fact that Johnny Depp seems to be his best friend (which almost lets him off with a stern reprimand), Burton deserves hard time for Planet Of The Apes alone.
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7:54PM on 08/27/2012

I say put him on probation until Frankenweenie

If I were to think about Burton ONLY after Big Fish I would still think of a guy with a very distinct style, the studios love him because of Alice in Wonderland and as much as one hates it the characters keep on living. Depp's Mad Hatter has become almost as iconic as the animated Disney one. So if the Jury is comprised of only those of us who loved his work way back when he was making guys with scissorhands and ghosts with the most the he's surely going to jail but in terms of doing his own
If I were to think about Burton ONLY after Big Fish I would still think of a guy with a very distinct style, the studios love him because of Alice in Wonderland and as much as one hates it the characters keep on living. Depp's Mad Hatter has become almost as iconic as the animated Disney one. So if the Jury is comprised of only those of us who loved his work way back when he was making guys with scissorhands and ghosts with the most the he's surely going to jail but in terms of doing his own thing he's still got it, he's not just going all Eddie Murphy trying to see what sticks and just pleasing this or that group. The only fault I see with Burton is that his style does not work that well with modern techniques like CGI and if HE goes down then people like Terry Gilliam would end up goin down with him
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7:46PM on 08/27/2012
GUILTY.
GUILTY.
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7:11PM on 08/27/2012
Guilty. His earlier work I enjoyed but most of his later stuff just doesnt cut it for me. This seems to be the most part with most people as well. Also Batman Returns was awesome, dont clump it up with the rest of those flicks.
Guilty. His earlier work I enjoyed but most of his later stuff just doesnt cut it for me. This seems to be the most part with most people as well. Also Batman Returns was awesome, dont clump it up with the rest of those flicks.
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6:33PM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

Frankenweenie is his third attempt at telling the same story in the last 20 years? Yeah, much like the production design of his movies which all have the same feel and story. Ed Wood was good, and the script for Pee Wee's Big Adventure was what set it apart from Burton's other movies.

Maybe if he did something different as a director that was outside his comfort zone I could give him props, but he just keeps rehashing the same tired look and soundtrack from 1993.
Frankenweenie is his third attempt at telling the same story in the last 20 years? Yeah, much like the production design of his movies which all have the same feel and story. Ed Wood was good, and the script for Pee Wee's Big Adventure was what set it apart from Burton's other movies.

Maybe if he did something different as a director that was outside his comfort zone I could give him props, but he just keeps rehashing the same tired look and soundtrack from 1993.
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6:14PM on 08/27/2012
Not guilty this is more of haters calling him to the stand. His movies are not for everyone, but for every Planet of the Apes, Alice in Wonderland or really when it's a remake & not a vision he has created is where he is the weakest. He gave us TWO very good Batman movies & such classics as Beetlejuice, Pee Wee, Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas. That is 6 movies alone to show why is NOT guilty. Different strokes for different folks, sorry not the best movie jail article. You have
Not guilty this is more of haters calling him to the stand. His movies are not for everyone, but for every Planet of the Apes, Alice in Wonderland or really when it's a remake & not a vision he has created is where he is the weakest. He gave us TWO very good Batman movies & such classics as Beetlejuice, Pee Wee, Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas. That is 6 movies alone to show why is NOT guilty. Different strokes for different folks, sorry not the best movie jail article. You have to respect the fact he has always stood by his gothic style in every movie he makes. I would love to see him do another comic book film in the future. Also Mars Attacks & Sleepy Hollow are very underrated gems.
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6:45PM on 08/27/2012
Nightmare Before Christmas was directed by Henry Sellick (the guy who also did Coraline), not Burton. Burton was the producer and came up with the characters and general plot (which was put together into a screenplay by two others). And the Batman movies don't hold up well at all. Especially since Burton's Batman kills a ton of bad guys with guns and bombs, something Batman doesn't do.

So all you have left is Beetlejuice, Pee Wee, Scissorhands, and I'll throw in Ed Wood and Big Fish for
Nightmare Before Christmas was directed by Henry Sellick (the guy who also did Coraline), not Burton. Burton was the producer and came up with the characters and general plot (which was put together into a screenplay by two others). And the Batman movies don't hold up well at all. Especially since Burton's Batman kills a ton of bad guys with guns and bombs, something Batman doesn't do.

So all you have left is Beetlejuice, Pee Wee, Scissorhands, and I'll throw in Ed Wood and Big Fish for you. Big Fish was a B.O. flop ($70 mill to make, $66 mill pulled in), and that was back in 2003. So it's almost ten years since Burton has had a film that was marginally good. Not a good track record.
9:47PM on 08/27/2012
well that is your opinion & you are certainly entitles to it,like i said different strokes for different folks. Many others on here have enjoyed his Batman movies as well. Also a movie does not have to be a box office hit per say to be considered good. . I'm very old school so ya to me his older movies fare much better I would agree. Still doesnot make him guilty.
well that is your opinion & you are certainly entitles to it,like i said different strokes for different folks. Many others on here have enjoyed his Batman movies as well. Also a movie does not have to be a box office hit per say to be considered good. . I'm very old school so ya to me his older movies fare much better I would agree. Still doesnot make him guilty.
5:59PM on 08/27/2012

Not Guilty

While I do agree Mr. Burton has been coasting along with some of his recent fare (Alice was deplorable) I still think there's hope. For those who says he needs to drop the cartoonish vibe. Why don't you ask Micheal Bay to stop blowing shit up! That's the man's style. What he may need to do is work on some original fare and leave the re-makes alone. I will never tire of a style as distinctive and unique as Tim Burton's. IMO Dark Shadows was an enjoyable movie that had a good balance of kooky and
While I do agree Mr. Burton has been coasting along with some of his recent fare (Alice was deplorable) I still think there's hope. For those who says he needs to drop the cartoonish vibe. Why don't you ask Micheal Bay to stop blowing shit up! That's the man's style. What he may need to do is work on some original fare and leave the re-makes alone. I will never tire of a style as distinctive and unique as Tim Burton's. IMO Dark Shadows was an enjoyable movie that had a good balance of kooky and creepy.
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4:35PM on 08/27/2012
Ahgrrr... GUILTY as hell!
Ahgrrr... GUILTY as hell!
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4:31PM on 08/27/2012

Guilty!

For such a visionary, original and creative director to be on auto pilot since 1999 is all the proof you need. He has had plenty of chances to redeem himself already and failed. Guilty!
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For such a visionary, original and creative director to be on auto pilot since 1999 is all the proof you need. He has had plenty of chances to redeem himself already and failed. Guilty!
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3:06PM on 08/27/2012

The verdict simply must be Not Guilty!

Sure heīs made some mistakes (Planet of the apes, Charlie and the Chocolate factory and to some extend Alice in Wonderland...,and maybe The Barber flick too) The ladder was not at bad movie, it was just a musical and that is not to my taste) But on the other hand he has given us such masterpieces as Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow and lesser masterpieces such as Batman 1 and 2, Beetlejuice and Ed Wood. Then lets not forget Corpse Bride, a good, funny and nevertheless beautiful and technical
Sure heīs made some mistakes (Planet of the apes, Charlie and the Chocolate factory and to some extend Alice in Wonderland...,and maybe The Barber flick too) The ladder was not at bad movie, it was just a musical and that is not to my taste) But on the other hand he has given us such masterpieces as Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow and lesser masterpieces such as Batman 1 and 2, Beetlejuice and Ed Wood. Then lets not forget Corpse Bride, a good, funny and nevertheless beautiful and technical marvel of a movie. Then there is Mars Attacks, not Burton at his best, but still a movie I can always enjoy for its craziness, great characters and cool effects. Havnīt seen Dark Shadows and I must admit the trailer didnīt blow me away, something about the subject matter that didnīt latch on. Frankenwienie looks amazing though and seems like alot of fun, and Burton knows his stopmotion for sure. So in short, he may not be terribly diverse, but he is unique and a master when he succeeds! The verdict simply must be NOT GUILTY!!
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2:40PM on 08/27/2012
Guilty.
Guilty.
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2:40PM on 08/27/2012

Guilty.

As much as you can say he is creative. He really lacks creativity. All his movies are remakes with just Johnny Depp playing another wacko character dressed like a dead drag queen. In the beginning Burton was different, now not so much. Maybe if he switched it up here and there and dropped the cartoonish element in his directing style for a couple films I'd say not guilty. But Burton just likes to stick with what works for him, which frankly, doesn't work anymore.
As much as you can say he is creative. He really lacks creativity. All his movies are remakes with just Johnny Depp playing another wacko character dressed like a dead drag queen. In the beginning Burton was different, now not so much. Maybe if he switched it up here and there and dropped the cartoonish element in his directing style for a couple films I'd say not guilty. But Burton just likes to stick with what works for him, which frankly, doesn't work anymore.
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2:08PM on 08/27/2012

Not Guilty

But I hear what you're saying. Even Batman, I can't fuckin stand the Prince dance sequences and Batman 2 every outdoor scene looks like a set, (same as Planet of the Apes) it's actually distracting.
I couldn't even watch the one where he's a butcher or baker or whatever, but I gotta admit I loved Dark Shadows, thought it looked amazing and was hilarious UNTIL the ...
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werewolf and final battle- even in Alice in Wonderland (which I thought looked better than Avatar)
But I hear what you're saying. Even Batman, I can't fuckin stand the Prince dance sequences and Batman 2 every outdoor scene looks like a set, (same as Planet of the Apes) it's actually distracting.
I couldn't even watch the one where he's a butcher or baker or whatever, but I gotta admit I loved Dark Shadows, thought it looked amazing and was hilarious UNTIL the ...
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werewolf and final battle- even in Alice in Wonderland (which I thought looked better than Avatar) they needed a big final battle, which was weird.
Having said all that- it's Tim Burton, and he is one of the most influential filmakers and artists of the last 25 years.
Not guilty.
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2:07PM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

effing Charlie and the effing chocolate effing disaster, Sweeney Toad, Alice in cardboard land, and Dark Shadows (nuf sed), would make any good director worthy of jail time. Oh s*&t I just remembered Planet of the Apes. Now I need a bath. That being said, Batman Returns is one of the best gothic movies ever made. Strange decision prosecution....
effing Charlie and the effing chocolate effing disaster, Sweeney Toad, Alice in cardboard land, and Dark Shadows (nuf sed), would make any good director worthy of jail time. Oh s*&t I just remembered Planet of the Apes. Now I need a bath. That being said, Batman Returns is one of the best gothic movies ever made. Strange decision prosecution....
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2:03PM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

I love his early work including Batman Returns. So fuck you prosecution. But other then Big Fish, he literally hasn't done anything decent since Sleepy Hallow. Damn he's on a roll. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!
I love his early work including Batman Returns. So fuck you prosecution. But other then Big Fish, he literally hasn't done anything decent since Sleepy Hallow. Damn he's on a roll. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!
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1:58PM on 08/27/2012
GUILTY - Have any of his supporters in these comments gone back and watched those Batman movies? There are definitely some interesting parts, but they're not very good. The camp factor is high, everyone is out of character (Batman straight-up murders half a dozen people), and everything is crammed into the Tim Burton mold. Penguin is a disgusting sewer mutant? Catwoman is a crazy magical cat lady?
If you count his newer movies, its no contest. HOWEVER, the dude did make some really excellent
GUILTY - Have any of his supporters in these comments gone back and watched those Batman movies? There are definitely some interesting parts, but they're not very good. The camp factor is high, everyone is out of character (Batman straight-up murders half a dozen people), and everything is crammed into the Tim Burton mold. Penguin is a disgusting sewer mutant? Catwoman is a crazy magical cat lady?
If you count his newer movies, its no contest. HOWEVER, the dude did make some really excellent movies. I say Guilty with a sentence of Parole.
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6:44PM on 08/27/2012
I think Batman was pretty good but what you said about Returns is right on.
I think Batman was pretty good but what you said about Returns is right on.
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1:27PM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

I was originally going to say not guilty because I loved all of his early work then I realized - I haven't seen a movie of his since Charlie and the Chocolate Factory but yet just watching the trailer I thought I watched it and hated it. He no longer makes new and original movies . . . he goes out to try and make Tim Burton movies. He needs a movie jail time out for a bit so he isn't just sitting around making the same thing, recharge his batteries and comes back with something new when he
I was originally going to say not guilty because I loved all of his early work then I realized - I haven't seen a movie of his since Charlie and the Chocolate Factory but yet just watching the trailer I thought I watched it and hated it. He no longer makes new and original movies . . . he goes out to try and make Tim Burton movies. He needs a movie jail time out for a bit so he isn't just sitting around making the same thing, recharge his batteries and comes back with something new when he served his time.
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1:27PM on 08/27/2012

Probation

I used to be a huge Burton fan in the 90s and even the early 00s, but I have become disillusioned now. His last films that I really liked were Corpse Bride and Big Fish. Nowadays, he seems to still be great when he's doing stop motion animation movies, but his live action ones suck big time. I haven't seen Dark Shadows yet, mind you, but my hopes aren't exactly high. I think he can still make good movies though, he just needs to find that macabre humor and unique atmosphere that made his early
I used to be a huge Burton fan in the 90s and even the early 00s, but I have become disillusioned now. His last films that I really liked were Corpse Bride and Big Fish. Nowadays, he seems to still be great when he's doing stop motion animation movies, but his live action ones suck big time. I haven't seen Dark Shadows yet, mind you, but my hopes aren't exactly high. I think he can still make good movies though, he just needs to find that macabre humor and unique atmosphere that made his early work so fucking awesome. As far as this trial is concerned however, he certainly isn't innocent, but I wouldn't slam a heavy sentence on him either. I think he deserves to be put on probation and a stern warning, for now at least...
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1:14PM on 08/27/2012
Guilty. When Burton came on the scene, many people said he was style over substance. For the few good movies he has done, he also seems to have a bad habit of following a formula when he is doing films now. The black and white checkerboard and drab colors are just another byproduct label for a director that desperately needs to recapture his edge doing his own thing. last thing he did that felt like it had anything to it was Big Fish.
Guilty. When Burton came on the scene, many people said he was style over substance. For the few good movies he has done, he also seems to have a bad habit of following a formula when he is doing films now. The black and white checkerboard and drab colors are just another byproduct label for a director that desperately needs to recapture his edge doing his own thing. last thing he did that felt like it had anything to it was Big Fish.
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1:04PM on 08/27/2012

Not Guilty

He's always made movies the way he likes them. They're consistently different and weird. Plus, he's stayed consistent with his friendship to Johnny Depp. He's the guy that made Beetlejuice and Batman.
He's always made movies the way he likes them. They're consistently different and weird. Plus, he's stayed consistent with his friendship to Johnny Depp. He's the guy that made Beetlejuice and Batman.
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12:58PM on 08/27/2012

No way he's guilty!

Give him a good script and he knows what he's doing.

Also, Connie Nielsen joins Nymphomaniac??? Game on!
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Give him a good script and he knows what he's doing.

Also, Connie Nielsen joins Nymphomaniac??? Game on!
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12:44PM on 08/27/2012

GUILTY

The guy has given in to corporate greed. He keeps making shit movies that don't let his originality flow. If he decided to stop being lazy and create characters like Edward Scissorhands or Beetlejuice he will have a smash hit on his hands.
The guy has given in to corporate greed. He keeps making shit movies that don't let his originality flow. If he decided to stop being lazy and create characters like Edward Scissorhands or Beetlejuice he will have a smash hit on his hands.
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12:36PM on 08/27/2012

Not Guilty

Burton gave us a fantastic Batman and I am a huge fan Sweeney Todd! Edward Scissorhands is an absolute classic and Batman Returns may be goofy, but it is still a very entertaining Batman movie. He is not even close to guilty, plus Frankenweenie looks awesome!
Burton gave us a fantastic Batman and I am a huge fan Sweeney Todd! Edward Scissorhands is an absolute classic and Batman Returns may be goofy, but it is still a very entertaining Batman movie. He is not even close to guilty, plus Frankenweenie looks awesome!
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12:18PM on 08/27/2012

Not guilty

his movies have'nt been classics like they use to but they're not terrible. I only hated Alice in Wonderland and i know a lot of people who liked that one. I liked Sweeney Todd and Big Fish and still look forward to checking out Frankenweenie. If anything, maybe slow down a bit. He doesnt have to do a movie every year

next defendant: Sandra Bullock or Ivan Reitman
his movies have'nt been classics like they use to but they're not terrible. I only hated Alice in Wonderland and i know a lot of people who liked that one. I liked Sweeney Todd and Big Fish and still look forward to checking out Frankenweenie. If anything, maybe slow down a bit. He doesnt have to do a movie every year

next defendant: Sandra Bullock or Ivan Reitman
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12:15PM on 08/27/2012
HBO just had Big Fish on the other day and I watched it for the first time since seeing it in theaters. What a great movie. Not Guilty!
HBO just had Big Fish on the other day and I watched it for the first time since seeing it in theaters. What a great movie. Not Guilty!
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12:12PM on 08/27/2012
NOT GUILTY! Even at his worst, his movies are more enjoyable than other crap out there. I happened to enjoy his takes on Alice In Wonderland and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. That factory opening in Charlie where the singing robots melt? I couldn't stop laughing. Classic dark and twisted, yet funny Burton. Also, Batman returns is solid. think we give him too hard of a time when he misses the mark.
NOT GUILTY! Even at his worst, his movies are more enjoyable than other crap out there. I happened to enjoy his takes on Alice In Wonderland and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. That factory opening in Charlie where the singing robots melt? I couldn't stop laughing. Classic dark and twisted, yet funny Burton. Also, Batman returns is solid. think we give him too hard of a time when he misses the mark.
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12:01PM on 08/27/2012

GUILTY!

Hack! I can't rewatch any of his films. His Batman films were horrible. Only Edward Scissorhands stands out as being a "good" film. I don't know how he still gets work.
Hack! I can't rewatch any of his films. His Batman films were horrible. Only Edward Scissorhands stands out as being a "good" film. I don't know how he still gets work.
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6:21PM on 08/27/2012
your name really pisses me off, i think you are more a troll than a fanboy, you never have anything positive to say about any movie!
your name really pisses me off, i think you are more a troll than a fanboy, you never have anything positive to say about any movie!
11:47AM on 08/27/2012
This is the third time I've posted and it double posted. Ack!
This is the third time I've posted and it double posted. Ack!
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11:40AM on 08/27/2012
Not guilty. I don't speak "Burtonese" and, as a Batman fan, am not a huge fan of his Batman films, though I do readily concede that they do possess many merits. Burton was a visionary, he was mad, he was creative, and he made some fantastic films in his time. He was able to marry macabre strangeness and a heart and soul. I visited the temporary exhibit at LACMA last year which had many props, costumes, sketches/designs and other artifacts from Burton's life and career on display, and found it
Not guilty. I don't speak "Burtonese" and, as a Batman fan, am not a huge fan of his Batman films, though I do readily concede that they do possess many merits. Burton was a visionary, he was mad, he was creative, and he made some fantastic films in his time. He was able to marry macabre strangeness and a heart and soul. I visited the temporary exhibit at LACMA last year which had many props, costumes, sketches/designs and other artifacts from Burton's life and career on display, and found it very enjoyable to peek into the mad genius. Sure, he seems to have "sold out" more than a little over the past several years, but perhaps there are good, honest films left in him yet.
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11:39AM on 08/27/2012
Not guilty! He's been slipping up real bad in the past couple years but this guy has made some incredible movies, one of which is in my top 3. Dark Shadows wasn't perfect but it was a sign that Burton is improving and this is the first time I'm genuinely excited for a new Burton movie (Frankenweenie.) I know he is a great director, he is just having some trouble showing it right now.
Not guilty! He's been slipping up real bad in the past couple years but this guy has made some incredible movies, one of which is in my top 3. Dark Shadows wasn't perfect but it was a sign that Burton is improving and this is the first time I'm genuinely excited for a new Burton movie (Frankenweenie.) I know he is a great director, he is just having some trouble showing it right now.
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11:27AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

Guilty as it gets. IF Johnny Depp died, this turd's career would vanish
Guilty as it gets. IF Johnny Depp died, this turd's career would vanish
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11:26AM on 08/27/2012

Not guilty

Next up on Movie Jail: The new Joblo web layout and its load time
Next up on Movie Jail: The new Joblo web layout and its load time
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11:22AM on 08/27/2012

NOT GUILTY

Burton gave us Batman, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd... hell, for Ed Wood ALONE he deserves a "Not Guilty". I thought Planet of the Apes and Alice in Wonderland were crappy and uninspired, and I expect Dark Shadows will follow suit. But despite his inconsistency, I'd still call Burton a visionary in a lot of ways. Spielberg has made a lot of less-than-great films in recent years too. If Burton gets stamped with a Guilty, I'd say Spielberg deserves to be Guilty
Burton gave us Batman, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd... hell, for Ed Wood ALONE he deserves a "Not Guilty". I thought Planet of the Apes and Alice in Wonderland were crappy and uninspired, and I expect Dark Shadows will follow suit. But despite his inconsistency, I'd still call Burton a visionary in a lot of ways. Spielberg has made a lot of less-than-great films in recent years too. If Burton gets stamped with a Guilty, I'd say Spielberg deserves to be Guilty too. And... that just sounds fucking insane to me, sorry.
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11:17AM on 08/27/2012

Not Guilty

Having looked over the evidence, I dislike more than half his films. But... of the ones I don't dislike -- I like a great deal. If it were not for "Sleepy Hollow" and "Big Fish" (two all-time favorites), I'd throw him in a cell myself. But his successes stand as a reminder of his potential that is severely lacking due to obvious studio control.

However, I agree with other jury members regarding his admission to [link] It would benefit not only himself and his harbored talents, but the rest
Having looked over the evidence, I dislike more than half his films. But... of the ones I don't dislike -- I like a great deal. If it were not for "Sleepy Hollow" and "Big Fish" (two all-time favorites), I'd throw him in a cell myself. But his successes stand as a reminder of his potential that is severely lacking due to obvious studio control.

However, I agree with other jury members regarding his admission to [link] It would benefit not only himself and his harbored talents, but the rest of us -- the ones who are truly suffering this horrible downfall.
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11:18AM on 08/27/2012
For some reason, "court appointed rehab" became a link...
For some reason, "court appointed rehab" became a link...
11:18AM on 08/27/2012
(accidental double post)
(accidental double post)
11:16AM on 08/27/2012

NOT GUILTY

I never chime in here but I feel that defending Tim Burton is worthy of my attention. One thing that's certain is that Mr. Burton can create visual stimulating imagery unlike any other; in fact, I'd go as far to say that Burton's unique style is unmatched in every possible way and has a style that's all his own that's enough to clear him of all charges- regardless of audience's reaction to his works.
However, in his defense of many films I'd like to go into further detail of his legacy and why
I never chime in here but I feel that defending Tim Burton is worthy of my attention. One thing that's certain is that Mr. Burton can create visual stimulating imagery unlike any other; in fact, I'd go as far to say that Burton's unique style is unmatched in every possible way and has a style that's all his own that's enough to clear him of all charges- regardless of audience's reaction to his works.
However, in his defense of many films I'd like to go into further detail of his legacy and why Burton's work is mis-understood and gaining the worth of respect I feel he deserves.
While it's difficult to throw any non-sensical allegations of hate towards his earlier work of Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Beetlejuice, and Edward Scissorhands (they are after all, cult classics in every sense of the word), I will focus directly here on his Batman features.
Burton is among the very few filmmakers who are responsible for the summer blockbuster (Speilberg's Jaws and Scott's Top Gun have been brought up recently), but Batman is fully responsible for the "event film." Batman was massive. Epic even. You couldn't go five feet in 1989 without seeing or hearing just how amazing that film was. Furthermore, while in today's standards Batman is considered campy, but at the time it took graphic novel material seriously and Burton defied all expectations and delivered a stellar motion picture. Batman is not a film that people despise him for, but it's sequel, Batman Returns, is one that many have disliked.
I'd like to point out that it was absolutely certain the studio would want a sequel to the uber-succcessful first film, but it was Mr. Burton who was not interested. He instead wanted to make a film worthy of his attention, and the result is a fantastical, grade-A Burtonesque monster film. No, it is not a "Batman" film. I dare any filmmaker today to take on the Penguin. He's a ridiculous character, and Burton's depiction of the character with Danny DeVito is downright amazing. Anne Hathaway's Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises managed to not disappoint, but Pfeiffer's portrayal of Catwoman in Burton's vision is one of, if not *thee* finest female performance in the last thirty years. As stated above, Batman Returns is not a Batman film, but it is a Tim Burton film and worthy of admiration.
Ed Wood needs no defense, nor does Sleepy Hollow or Big Fish.
It's his other films I'd like to defend to varying degrees.
Mars Attacks!; I challenge film-fanatics to watch every 50's sci-fi, alien invasion films and follow it up with Burton's martian film and you'll be amazed at just how faithful it is to those films. Does it mean that the film is any good? I particularly think it's far from great but also far from bad. It does what he had intended and is still worthy of a viewing each year. Burton manages to remain honest to the source material that many people fail to realize.
Planet of the Apes; Apes is certainly my least favorite of the Burton legacy, but that doesn't mean I hate it, either. Watch the original and Burton's back-to-back, and you'll notice several homage elements that Burton manages to do well (even Elfman's music had some call backs to Goldsmith's score). What I do feel needs defending here, along with Burton's remake of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, is audiences need to read the books.
The Pierre Boulle novel, despite a few minor changes here and there, is remarkably similar to Burton's film- even the ending which Kevin Smith claimed Burton and company stole from. The Lincoln monument aspect of the film's ending is a mirror image to the books conclusion. Did Burton do wrong here? Absolutely not. The Roald Dahl novel of Chocolate Factory is a near word-for-word adaptation, proving once again that despite audiences' reaction to Burton's work, he remains entirely faithful to the source material. Chocolate Factory is also one of my favorite Burton productions as the Dahl novel is one of my childhood favorites. Burton could not have done a better job, and no other filmmaker could have delivered anything more remarkable.
Missing from the list of good or bad films in the Movie Jail column is Sweeney Todd, which is a fantastic reminder of the brilliance of Burton, and it also picked up several awards and nominations along the way.
Sure, Alice in Wonderland wasn't my favorite, but visually was one of a kind. Problems with that film are all in scripting, and it could be argued Burton could have fought against those, let's not forget that he's also being hired to handle someone else's material and not entirely fault him for the film's story related issues.
Which brings us to his most recent live-action foray, Dark Shadows. No, it's not my favorite either, and I find it difficult to honestly defend it; but what I will say is that the soap opera series it was based on was god-awful and after having recently revisited the 60's series, I can see which elements Burton homaged. Do I like it more having seen the original series? Only slightly. Yes, Dark Shadows makes me want Burton to tackle something unique and fresh again, but in no means is Burton's legacy a black mark on Hollywood.
I say, cleared of all charges.
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11:09AM on 08/27/2012

NOT GUILTY!

Get Batman Returns off the Prosecution list.
And Charlie and Chocolate Factory isn't to bad imo.
Pee Wee, Edward Scissorhands, Batman, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow, Beetlejuice, Mars Attacks, Big Fish, Sweeney Todd all secure his status as a great filmmaker. It's just popular to hate on the guy. Like it is with Tarantino or Spielberg. There seems to be a surge in hating on these three directors in the past few years.
Get Batman Returns off the Prosecution list.
And Charlie and Chocolate Factory isn't to bad imo.
Pee Wee, Edward Scissorhands, Batman, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow, Beetlejuice, Mars Attacks, Big Fish, Sweeney Todd all secure his status as a great filmmaker. It's just popular to hate on the guy. Like it is with Tarantino or Spielberg. There seems to be a surge in hating on these three directors in the past few years.
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11:08AM on 08/27/2012
Not Guilty.
I sincerely think that Planet of the Apes is his single bad film (although I have yet to see Dark Shadows). Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is highly underrated and far more accurate to the spirit of the book than the Gene Wilder version. I know Sweeney Todd has it's detractors, but I thought that his take on the material was pretty spot on. Let him walk free!!
Not Guilty.
I sincerely think that Planet of the Apes is his single bad film (although I have yet to see Dark Shadows). Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is highly underrated and far more accurate to the spirit of the book than the Gene Wilder version. I know Sweeney Todd has it's detractors, but I thought that his take on the material was pretty spot on. Let him walk free!!
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11:06AM on 08/27/2012

GUILTY

For whatever reason, he's not made a good movie since he hooked up with Helena Bonham Carter. Think about it. Sleepy Hollow was his last good movie. Who's he been dating since Planet of the Apes? HBC. Have his movies taken a nosedive in quality since then? Absolutely. GUILTY!
For whatever reason, he's not made a good movie since he hooked up with Helena Bonham Carter. Think about it. Sleepy Hollow was his last good movie. Who's he been dating since Planet of the Apes? HBC. Have his movies taken a nosedive in quality since then? Absolutely. GUILTY!
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11:04AM on 08/27/2012

NOT GUILTY!

I am not a huge fan and I got tired of his style, but I say NOT GUILTY!
I am not a huge fan and I got tired of his style, but I say NOT GUILTY!
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11:03AM on 08/27/2012

Batman Returns is one of his best...

get that the hell off the prosecution list. For the rest I agree, the man's credits since Big Fish have been seriously slacking (though Sweeney Todd had its strong points) he went from one of my favorite directors to one i avoid but i think there's still a chance at redemption with Frankenweenie, if that one fails then throw him into a dark cell!
get that the hell off the prosecution list. For the rest I agree, the man's credits since Big Fish have been seriously slacking (though Sweeney Todd had its strong points) he went from one of my favorite directors to one i avoid but i think there's still a chance at redemption with Frankenweenie, if that one fails then throw him into a dark cell!
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11:01AM on 08/27/2012
Not Guilty.
Sure he's made some poor films, but overall the he has an incredible vision.
Anyone who can give us Batman, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorshands, Ed Wood, Mars Attacks, Sleepy Hollow, Big Fish, Corpse Bride deserves to walk free.

So he made a blunder with Alice*. Sweeny Todd & Charlie were not bad. Apes was the one movie he made that I genuinely didn't like, oh that and Dark Shadows.

*the hatred thrown at the man for this film is really bewildering (well it is to me)
Not Guilty.
Sure he's made some poor films, but overall the he has an incredible vision.
Anyone who can give us Batman, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorshands, Ed Wood, Mars Attacks, Sleepy Hollow, Big Fish, Corpse Bride deserves to walk free.

So he made a blunder with Alice*. Sweeny Todd & Charlie were not bad. Apes was the one movie he made that I genuinely didn't like, oh that and Dark Shadows.

*the hatred thrown at the man for this film is really bewildering (well it is to me)
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10:59AM on 08/27/2012

Not Guilty

I don't particularly love his movies but that's what makes Tim Burton him, not everyone is going to like him.

What about his animated movie 9 that he produced? That was very enjoyable

Tim Burton has a lot of loyal fans out there, A LOT.
Strange is his thing and maybe he doesn't want everyone to like his work, just because some people didn't like Alice in Wonderland, Planet of the Apes and Batman Returns doesn't mean it wasn't gold in others' eyes.

Oh and, WHY would you give Nicolas
I don't particularly love his movies but that's what makes Tim Burton him, not everyone is going to like him.

What about his animated movie 9 that he produced? That was very enjoyable

Tim Burton has a lot of loyal fans out there, A LOT.
Strange is his thing and maybe he doesn't want everyone to like his work, just because some people didn't like Alice in Wonderland, Planet of the Apes and Batman Returns doesn't mean it wasn't gold in others' eyes.

Oh and, WHY would you give Nicolas Cage a Not Guilty plea but give Vince Vaughn a guilty one?!? Makes absolutely no sense to me.
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10:56AM on 08/27/2012

This one's tough...but NOT guilty

His earlier work is amazing, some of his more recent works...not so much. I didn't care for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory but that was mainly because of Depp and not him. I never saw Alice in Wonderland but that Burton magic (from the preview) seemed to be gone.
I'd like to see him move away from CGI and go back into the practical effects. When I look at the effects in Beetlejuice and Pee Wee's Big Adventure, that SCREAMS "Tim Burton" but when I look at scenes from Alice in Wonderland
His earlier work is amazing, some of his more recent works...not so much. I didn't care for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory but that was mainly because of Depp and not him. I never saw Alice in Wonderland but that Burton magic (from the preview) seemed to be gone.
I'd like to see him move away from CGI and go back into the practical effects. When I look at the effects in Beetlejuice and Pee Wee's Big Adventure, that SCREAMS "Tim Burton" but when I look at scenes from Alice in Wonderland it just makes me sad.

I will say not guilty but I hope he stays away from CGI and I like Netforce's idea about moving away from Johnny Depp...just to see what happens.
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10:56AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

Had his chance so many times but he's not delivered in so long, needs to be taught a lesson.

On a side note why is Batman Returns on the prosecution, that's a great film
Had his chance so many times but he's not delivered in so long, needs to be taught a lesson.

On a side note why is Batman Returns on the prosecution, that's a great film
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10:51AM on 08/27/2012
Not guilty. Sure, his movies as of late mostly suck. But his previous works are good. I'd say a close observation on this one. Personally I think Burton should work with someone else besides Johnny Depp. It could be a change of pace for Burton.
Not guilty. Sure, his movies as of late mostly suck. But his previous works are good. I'd say a close observation on this one. Personally I think Burton should work with someone else besides Johnny Depp. It could be a change of pace for Burton.
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10:51AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

I don't doubt that Burton can still provide us with some truly wonderful films, but he's fallen into a trap of producing what looks like the same film over and over, whether it be similar style, actors or plot. Take Frankenweenie for instance. It looks to follow the exact plot of Edward Scissorhands, albeit more kid friendly, and to me that's a shame because Burton has provided us with some of the most unique and innovative movies of the past 50 years, especially Ed Wood, Big Fish and of
I don't doubt that Burton can still provide us with some truly wonderful films, but he's fallen into a trap of producing what looks like the same film over and over, whether it be similar style, actors or plot. Take Frankenweenie for instance. It looks to follow the exact plot of Edward Scissorhands, albeit more kid friendly, and to me that's a shame because Burton has provided us with some of the most unique and innovative movies of the past 50 years, especially Ed Wood, Big Fish and of course the 1989 Batman. I used to love Burton, and do believe that Sweeney Todd showed a willingness to take some chances, but more than any other director out there right now Burton is at a point where one more flop will put him into Oliver Stone territory, which isn't the sort of company the creator of Beetlejuice should be in.

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Make him watch all of his films. He should see the error of his ways and be able to turn it around as I can't imagine any sane man doing that wouldn't come to the same conclusion.
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10:49AM on 08/27/2012

Not Guilty

Tim Burton is a prolific director with many monies, some blockbusters, some great hits, some flops, and yet what they ALL have in common is artistry. He is one of the very few directors who makes art every time. Sure there are films you aren't going to get. His films are visual feasts. His bad ones are usually badly written. Sure I was disappointed with Planet Of The Apes. But Burton is always macabre and he gets some element into a film. Sleepy Hollow, Alice in Wonderland, Corpse Bride,
Tim Burton is a prolific director with many monies, some blockbusters, some great hits, some flops, and yet what they ALL have in common is artistry. He is one of the very few directors who makes art every time. Sure there are films you aren't going to get. His films are visual feasts. His bad ones are usually badly written. Sure I was disappointed with Planet Of The Apes. But Burton is always macabre and he gets some element into a film. Sleepy Hollow, Alice in Wonderland, Corpse Bride, a Nightmare Before Christmas, Burton takes chances and makes memorable film. And his films all have his own unique identity in scenes, lighting, framing, tempo. His films are all like twisted nightmares or his own adolescence. He does NOT belong in movie jail. He needs to keep on doing what he's doing. Let us NOT pretend he is M Night Shyamalan. Tim Burton is a film genius. He is a director on par with Alfred Hitchcock. A legendary director. The prosecution in this case is EXTREMELY weak. All those films listed in evidence against him were quality films, never mailed in, great effort and expense were used in crafting them.
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10:47AM on 08/27/2012
Burton sucks, he's made four good movies and fifteen shitty ones. GUILTY!!
Burton sucks, he's made four good movies and fifteen shitty ones. GUILTY!!
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10:45AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

For me, he's had an equal balance of both good and bad films with Beetlejuice probably being the work he's ever done. However, when you get prosecuted, the jury has to look at everything including the stuff you intended to do, but never got the opportunity. Case in point and ironically featuring Nic Cage: [link] ">
For me, he's had an equal balance of both good and bad films with Beetlejuice probably being the work he's ever done. However, when you get prosecuted, the jury has to look at everything including the stuff you intended to do, but never got the opportunity. Case in point and ironically featuring Nic Cage: [link]
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10:38AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

Send him to court-appointed rehab, where he can detox from Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter, and forced moodiness.
Send him to court-appointed rehab, where he can detox from Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter, and forced moodiness.
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10:37AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

I don't know if there is another working directing that hasn't taken a chance as infrequently as Tim Burton. I don't just mean same actors - that is fine... Nolan does that for instance.

I mean almost all of his live action movies have been remakes or some sort of adaptation of a preexisting property. But mostly I mean the lack of growth in the visual style. It worked great with Beetlejuice and his animated films... but seriously... stop painting Johnny Depp.
I don't know if there is another working directing that hasn't taken a chance as infrequently as Tim Burton. I don't just mean same actors - that is fine... Nolan does that for instance.

I mean almost all of his live action movies have been remakes or some sort of adaptation of a preexisting property. But mostly I mean the lack of growth in the visual style. It worked great with Beetlejuice and his animated films... but seriously... stop painting Johnny Depp.
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10:37AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

For me, he's had an equal balance of both good and bad films with Beetlejuice probably being the work he's ever done. However, when you get prosecuted, the jury has to look at everything including the stuff you intended to do, but never got the opportunity. Case in point and ironically featuring Nic Cage: [link] ">
For me, he's had an equal balance of both good and bad films with Beetlejuice probably being the work he's ever done. However, when you get prosecuted, the jury has to look at everything including the stuff you intended to do, but never got the opportunity. Case in point and ironically featuring Nic Cage: [link]
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10:34AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

For me, he's had an equal balance of both good and bad films with Beetlejuice probably being the work he's ever done. However, when you get prosecuted, the jury has to look at everything including the stuff you intended to do, but never got the opportunity. Case in point and ironically featuring Nic Cage: [link] ">
For me, he's had an equal balance of both good and bad films with Beetlejuice probably being the work he's ever done. However, when you get prosecuted, the jury has to look at everything including the stuff you intended to do, but never got the opportunity. Case in point and ironically featuring Nic Cage: [link]
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10:30AM on 08/27/2012

Not guilty

All the movies in "The Prosecution" really aren't bad movies, just not his best.
All the movies in "The Prosecution" really aren't bad movies, just not his best.
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10:30AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty

For me, he's had an equal balance of both good and bad films with Beetlejuice probably being the work he's ever done. However, when you get prosecuted, the jury has to look at everything including the stuff you intended to do, but never got the opportunity. Case in point and ironically featuring Nic Cage: [link] ">
For me, he's had an equal balance of both good and bad films with Beetlejuice probably being the work he's ever done. However, when you get prosecuted, the jury has to look at everything including the stuff you intended to do, but never got the opportunity. Case in point and ironically featuring Nic Cage: [link]
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10:28AM on 08/27/2012

Not Guilty

Definitely Not Guilty. He's been too good for too long, and it's not like his last movies are that awful. Sure, they're average or below average (especially compared to his early stuff), but they should have been awful to even consider jailing him.
Big Fish alone should give him a free pass for life.
Definitely Not Guilty. He's been too good for too long, and it's not like his last movies are that awful. Sure, they're average or below average (especially compared to his early stuff), but they should have been awful to even consider jailing him.
Big Fish alone should give him a free pass for life.
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10:14AM on 08/27/2012

Not guilty...

Even though his last few films haven't exactly been the greatest in my opinion (other than the wonderful adaption of SWEENEY TODD), I know many people that enjoy them a lot and Tim has given us a boatload of incredible films in the past. BATMAN, BEETLEJUICE and ED WOOD make him exempt for me.
Even though his last few films haven't exactly been the greatest in my opinion (other than the wonderful adaption of SWEENEY TODD), I know many people that enjoy them a lot and Tim has given us a boatload of incredible films in the past. BATMAN, BEETLEJUICE and ED WOOD make him exempt for me.
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10:12AM on 08/27/2012

Guilty!

He had such promise, and he fulfilled that promise quite early in his career. He has let himself down badly, and for this I must find him guilty!
He had such promise, and he fulfilled that promise quite early in his career. He has let himself down badly, and for this I must find him guilty!
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