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10.16.2009

There were so many hopes with SPIDERMAN 3 that ultimately, even though it made a lot of money, it sort of caved in on itself.

What's the best way to solve a disaster that consisted of: a dull plot line, too many villains, and actors that seemed more tired than dedicated? If you're Sam Raimi, you get back to the basics.

To start, Raimi did make a comment about the villains, "I think having so many villains detracted from the experience. I would agree with the criticism." I think having so many villains in 3, boiled down to expectations and poor planning. Sandman wouldn't have carried the movie, so Venom is brought in...but wait! How do we resolve the issue with Peter, Harry, and Norman's death? Hell, let's do that as well and bring Harry in as the vengeful Goblin with a heart. Obviously, it was just too much.

Raimi says that he learned some new lessons and storytelling tricks from DRAG ME TO HELL, which was a smaller and more intimate production. He had this to say on limitations, "I think I've learned about the importance of getting to the point and the importance of having limitations, and I'm hoping to take that into a production where I'm actually allowed to explore with more of the tools to pull it off with a little more splendour.

It's hard to give up on Raimi. He's made some really awesome, kick ass films that I can't possibly imagine ever being without. A good director needs a slip up every once in a while. This separates the good from the bad. You either learn from your mistakes or you continue to make them and eventually just fade away to the $5.00 bin. Raimi sounds like he gets it, "I hope I don't lose that edge that I've just found. That would be my approach to Spider-Man 4: to get back to the basics."

As long as Tobey Maguire doesn't do the pseudo-evil emo Peter Parker ever again, I'd say that's a good step in the right direction.

Extra Tidbit: The first man I was sexually attracted to was Spider-Man. Is that weird?!

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3:41PM on 10/19/2009

Earn my Trust

I was very put off by Spiderman 3 and I can't fully blame the execs at Sony for how terrible it was. Raimi needs to take the heat for that failure and work a lot harder to earn the trust of Spidey fans. If this movie sucks, I don't care how sweet Drag Me To Hell was, I probably won't forgive him. It was my favorite cartoon and comic as a kid so I want to see something great!

It's all up in the air as of right now!
I was very put off by Spiderman 3 and I can't fully blame the execs at Sony for how terrible it was. Raimi needs to take the heat for that failure and work a lot harder to earn the trust of Spidey fans. If this movie sucks, I don't care how sweet Drag Me To Hell was, I probably won't forgive him. It was my favorite cartoon and comic as a kid so I want to see something great!

It's all up in the air as of right now!
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4:27PM on 10/17/2009
Drag Me to Hell was a homerun. Any doubts I had about Raimi were quickly forgotten. Spider-man 3 needed to pick a plot. It was unfocused and the best unresolved storyline from 2 was completely shoved to the side. I mean, come on! At the end of 2 we were salivating when Harry found the Goblin's lair. I don't understand how the curse of the Godfather Threequel keeps happening over and over.
Drag Me to Hell was a homerun. Any doubts I had about Raimi were quickly forgotten. Spider-man 3 needed to pick a plot. It was unfocused and the best unresolved storyline from 2 was completely shoved to the side. I mean, come on! At the end of 2 we were salivating when Harry found the Goblin's lair. I don't understand how the curse of the Godfather Threequel keeps happening over and over.
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11:27AM on 10/17/2009

Technically...

If you want to get technical, The Dark Knight is Batman 7. The 60s movie, the Tim Burton "reboot/reimagining", Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight being the 7th Batman movie.

As far as Spiderman goes, as long as Fox lets Raimi do pretty much what he wants and doesn't interfere, I think it can be a good return to wash the taste of Spiderman 3 out of our collective mouths. That movie was by far the weakest... the emo Peter Parker, the
If you want to get technical, The Dark Knight is Batman 7. The 60s movie, the Tim Burton "reboot/reimagining", Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight being the 7th Batman movie.

As far as Spiderman goes, as long as Fox lets Raimi do pretty much what he wants and doesn't interfere, I think it can be a good return to wash the taste of Spiderman 3 out of our collective mouths. That movie was by far the weakest... the emo Peter Parker, the overabundance of villians, leading to a lack of development really on any of them.
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4:48PM on 10/18/2009
spiderman is sony I believe
spiderman is sony I believe
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4:45AM on 10/17/2009

@skellington

"but when you have a number higher than 3 beside a title, it just sounds like the filmmakers have no inspiration for original work anymore."

... this coming from a guy who's profile pic is of him dressed up as a character from batman 5
"but when you have a number higher than 3 beside a title, it just sounds like the filmmakers have no inspiration for original work anymore."

... this coming from a guy who's profile pic is of him dressed up as a character from batman 5
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1:10AM on 10/17/2009

Sounds good enough Sam, now just

Bring Lizard on!!! Only you can be able to do it creepy as hell
Bring Lizard on!!! Only you can be able to do it creepy as hell
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12:27AM on 10/17/2009

I Trust Raimi

As is, Raimi still delivered the best super trilogy of all time. The studio forcing Venom down his throat last time out was the only real problem. This article here proves they learned their lesson and all will be well.
As is, Raimi still delivered the best super trilogy of all time. The studio forcing Venom down his throat last time out was the only real problem. This article here proves they learned their lesson and all will be well.
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11:46PM on 10/16/2009
One villain per movie, please. Sandman could have carried Spidey 3. Ditto for Lizard in 4.
One villain per movie, please. Sandman could have carried Spidey 3. Ditto for Lizard in 4.
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11:08PM on 10/16/2009

awesome

Its great he learns from his mistakes and is humble about the criticism, unlike some people (Uwe Boll) Sam Raimi Knows wat hes doing...
Its great he learns from his mistakes and is humble about the criticism, unlike some people (Uwe Boll) Sam Raimi Knows wat hes doing...
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10:51PM on 10/16/2009

Raimi's being honest

Raimi has done a lot of interviews. He never wanted to do Venom: he originally wanted Sandman and the Vulture for Spiderman 3, not sandman and Venom. He he had even approached that guy who played Gandi and offered him the part. Then, once he was forced to put Venom in the film, he wanted to make Spiderman 3 and 4 back to back, presumably with Venom appearing at the end of Spiderman 3 but the studio said no. Finally, after Spiderman 3 came out and the reviews were less spectacular, they told
Raimi has done a lot of interviews. He never wanted to do Venom: he originally wanted Sandman and the Vulture for Spiderman 3, not sandman and Venom. He he had even approached that guy who played Gandi and offered him the part. Then, once he was forced to put Venom in the film, he wanted to make Spiderman 3 and 4 back to back, presumably with Venom appearing at the end of Spiderman 3 but the studio said no. Finally, after Spiderman 3 came out and the reviews were less spectacular, they told him he could do what he wanted for Spiderman 4 and he said, in an interview, that that was what they should have done all along. They are even having a separate Venom movie that Raimi won't be forced to do. (He mentioned Carnage in an interview recently so Carnage will probably be in the Venom movie but Raimi clearly wants nothing to do with that.)

I actually thought Spiderman 3 was okay. I mean, Venom is a lame villain so people got what they asked for and then complained about it.

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10:35PM on 10/16/2009
After Spider-Man 2, I have faith in Raimi.

Also, if Spider-man didn't want you to be attracted to him, he wouldn't dress that way.
After Spider-Man 2, I have faith in Raimi.

Also, if Spider-man didn't want you to be attracted to him, he wouldn't dress that way.
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10:16PM on 10/16/2009
I'm glad he realizes he fucked up. Very true point about that being a major factor that separates the good directors from the bad. It's things like this that give me total faith he can deliver a great Spidey 4. Well, not to mention Drag Me To Hell was fantastic.
I'm glad he realizes he fucked up. Very true point about that being a major factor that separates the good directors from the bad. It's things like this that give me total faith he can deliver a great Spidey 4. Well, not to mention Drag Me To Hell was fantastic.
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10:14PM on 10/16/2009
sounds like making a smaller time movie got him remembering to back when he was making movies like evil dead with the most bare bones budget. perhaps the 4th will be excellent and we can just forget emo spiderman. - i love the "how it should have ended" for spiderman3!!
sounds like making a smaller time movie got him remembering to back when he was making movies like evil dead with the most bare bones budget. perhaps the 4th will be excellent and we can just forget emo spiderman. - i love the "how it should have ended" for spiderman3!!
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10:14PM on 10/16/2009
Actually I think we needed Spidey 3 to rock, so we could be done with the franchise. Sure there are many aspects or villains that havent been explored, but when you have a number higher than 3 beside a title, it just sounds like the filmmakers have no inspiration for original work anymore.
Actually I think we needed Spidey 3 to rock, so we could be done with the franchise. Sure there are many aspects or villains that havent been explored, but when you have a number higher than 3 beside a title, it just sounds like the filmmakers have no inspiration for original work anymore.
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9:46PM on 10/16/2009

Spider-Man 3 (and For Love of the Game) aside

I fully trust Raimi. I have faith that he will bring the goods with Spidey 4. Maybe we needed Spider-Man 3 to suck so he could get his groove back to bring us an amazing 4th film. We can only hope.
I fully trust Raimi. I have faith that he will bring the goods with Spidey 4. Maybe we needed Spider-Man 3 to suck so he could get his groove back to bring us an amazing 4th film. We can only hope.
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9:42PM on 10/16/2009
I'm glad that Raimi is humble enough to admit that Spiderman 3 was a mess.

I still have faith in him, but unfortunately the damage has already been done. Venom, arguably the best Spiderman villain, has been ruined.

It's kind of a tragedy, because with visual effects getting so advanced, Venom could have been pretty amazing. Ah well...
I'm glad that Raimi is humble enough to admit that Spiderman 3 was a mess.

I still have faith in him, but unfortunately the damage has already been done. Venom, arguably the best Spiderman villain, has been ruined.

It's kind of a tragedy, because with visual effects getting so advanced, Venom could have been pretty amazing. Ah well...
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9:06PM on 10/16/2009
Spider-Man 2 was a great superhero flick because it was a great flick in general, with the psychology of the main character being developed as a real drama. Expectations were high for Spider-Man 3. I think most people were willing to have a weaker film, cause you couldnt have that quality twice in a row, but it turned out to be worse than that. It was a terrible mess. The psychology development became shallow and the entire film focused on action sequences and emo dancing. I'll pretend it never
Spider-Man 2 was a great superhero flick because it was a great flick in general, with the psychology of the main character being developed as a real drama. Expectations were high for Spider-Man 3. I think most people were willing to have a weaker film, cause you couldnt have that quality twice in a row, but it turned out to be worse than that. It was a terrible mess. The psychology development became shallow and the entire film focused on action sequences and emo dancing. I'll pretend it never happened.
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8:13PM on 10/16/2009

thank god

I'm glad that people are now are less harsh on Raimi. I didn't like Spider-Man 3 but I didn't condemn Raimi unlike some people. Even some crazy people were trying to say that even Spider-Man 2 was bad..I mean unless Spider-man was never ever your thing, talk about backstabbers.
I'm glad that people are now are less harsh on Raimi. I didn't like Spider-Man 3 but I didn't condemn Raimi unlike some people. Even some crazy people were trying to say that even Spider-Man 2 was bad..I mean unless Spider-man was never ever your thing, talk about backstabbers.
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8:15PM on 10/16/2009
You're right. There's no reason to condemn him for Spider-Man 3. Shit happens. He's still good at what he does regardless.
You're right. There's no reason to condemn him for Spider-Man 3. Shit happens. He's still good at what he does regardless.
8:11PM on 10/16/2009
Sandman and Venom teams up with Spider-Man and new Goblin was a bit too much but what I hate about the movie is how they misused Gwen Stacy. Raimi talked about an edge he just found - let Gwen Stacy die and see Spider-Man go berserk.
Sandman and Venom teams up with Spider-Man and new Goblin was a bit too much but what I hate about the movie is how they misused Gwen Stacy. Raimi talked about an edge he just found - let Gwen Stacy die and see Spider-Man go berserk.
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8:04PM on 10/16/2009
like ive said b4, the 3rd one shouldve ended with the venom transformation. he lunges at the audience, black screen, roll credits. save him for the 4th. than it wouldve been just sandman and goblin 2. maybe the scene where he rips off the suit wouldve been because he killed harry
like ive said b4, the 3rd one shouldve ended with the venom transformation. he lunges at the audience, black screen, roll credits. save him for the 4th. than it wouldve been just sandman and goblin 2. maybe the scene where he rips off the suit wouldve been because he killed harry
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8:02PM on 10/16/2009
Its really not that hard for Raimi to make up for the mess that was Spider-Man 3. So I hope Spider-Man 4 goes back to what Spider-Man 2 was and focuses on the usual two stories. Peter learning a lesson and a villain learning his place.
Its really not that hard for Raimi to make up for the mess that was Spider-Man 3. So I hope Spider-Man 4 goes back to what Spider-Man 2 was and focuses on the usual two stories. Peter learning a lesson and a villain learning his place.
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7:47PM on 10/16/2009
i hope for spidey 4, 5 + 6 there is a new uncle ben's killer revealed in each movie.
just for added lameness.
i hope for spidey 4, 5 + 6 there is a new uncle ben's killer revealed in each movie.
just for added lameness.
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7:45PM on 10/16/2009
I liked Thomas Haden Church in Spiderman 3. I think he carried the movie well for his part but I always thought he should have been Brock, even before the movie was cast. I hate the idea of Topher Grace just as much as the next guy but if they would have at least left it at Brock getting infected by the symbiote, and the transformation it would have at least been a platform for the forth movie and a better adaptation.
I liked Thomas Haden Church in Spiderman 3. I think he carried the movie well for his part but I always thought he should have been Brock, even before the movie was cast. I hate the idea of Topher Grace just as much as the next guy but if they would have at least left it at Brock getting infected by the symbiote, and the transformation it would have at least been a platform for the forth movie and a better adaptation.
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7:44PM on 10/16/2009
As bad as spiderman3 was, it isn't nearly as bad as the X-Men franchise.
As bad as spiderman3 was, it isn't nearly as bad as the X-Men franchise.
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7:49PM on 10/16/2009
lol Both Spiderman 1 & 2, I think, are more solid than X-Men 1 & 2. I can't say that the X-Men franchise was worse than Spidey 3. I think the 3's for both were just not that good.
lol Both Spiderman 1 & 2, I think, are more solid than X-Men 1 & 2. I can't say that the X-Men franchise was worse than Spidey 3. I think the 3's for both were just not that good.
7:36PM on 10/16/2009
i, for one, thought sm3 was a good addition. it tied up loose ends with the previous 2 and opened doors for more spiderman movies. so it did good in those departments. the only thing that has sucked in for raimi is DM2H. what a turd. stupid concept to break from the SM series. "hey lets make a family friendly horro movie in the middle of a franchise thats working. boo.
i, for one, thought sm3 was a good addition. it tied up loose ends with the previous 2 and opened doors for more spiderman movies. so it did good in those departments. the only thing that has sucked in for raimi is DM2H. what a turd. stupid concept to break from the SM series. "hey lets make a family friendly horro movie in the middle of a franchise thats working. boo.
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7:31PM on 10/16/2009

Spiderman

Regardless of all the criticisms -The Spiderman movies are by far a great series. There's no continuity errors with actors (Batman, and now Ironman -_-) So you have a lasting legacy -and the stories aren't bad at all - I have a lot of faith in the upcoming movies.
Regardless of all the criticisms -The Spiderman movies are by far a great series. There's no continuity errors with actors (Batman, and now Ironman -_-) So you have a lasting legacy -and the stories aren't bad at all - I have a lot of faith in the upcoming movies.
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7:16PM on 10/16/2009

Easy now

I agree, the emo Peter Parker was stupid, but I think that's more because of Raimi's direction than Maguire (for the record, I am also a big Raimi fan and loved Drag Me to Hell). This is good news, though.
I agree, the emo Peter Parker was stupid, but I think that's more because of Raimi's direction than Maguire (for the record, I am also a big Raimi fan and loved Drag Me to Hell). This is good news, though.
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7:23PM on 10/16/2009
There was a lot of cheese in some of the acting in 3 tho, you've gotta admit that. I mean, I know there's going to be some cheese but the emo thing was too much no matter who was at fault. It's just a minor thing. However, Topher Grace, that's a different story all together.
There was a lot of cheese in some of the acting in 3 tho, you've gotta admit that. I mean, I know there's going to be some cheese but the emo thing was too much no matter who was at fault. It's just a minor thing. However, Topher Grace, that's a different story all together.
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