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12.25.2016

The wait is over. The first trailer for ALIEN: COVENANT is here! Check it out below and then join me for a chat with star Katherine Waterston and a rundown of the sneak peek of scenes I saw a few weeks ago!

Certainly one of the most anticipated movies of 2017, Ridley Scott's ALIEN: COVENANT has a lot at stake for fans of the series. While PROMETHEUS was a success, the ALIEN prequel film left many divided and many hungry for those black, shiny, drooling, double-fanged xenomorphs that have defined the threat of the series since Scott's 1979 ALIEN through the last rather atrocious AVP: REQUIEM. Well, you can rest easy, as Scott apparantly heard you and has stepped up the xenomorph game in a big way for his follow-up to PROMETHEUS, which is very clearly an ALIEN film, rather than solely an Engineer one. A few weeks ago, Fox invited press, including myself, to see an early look at some scenes from ALIEN: COVENANT, as well as the new trailer, which you can check out above. In addition, I had the opportunity to sit down and talk to Katherine Waterston, who plays Daniels in the film, a much stronger looking and assured protagonist than what we had with Noomi Rapace in PROMETHEUS and much more akin to Sigourney Weaver's Ripley. Take a look at our chat about the film below and keep scrolling for a full description and reaction of the scenes I previewed for ALIEN: COVENANT.

SCENE 1: The Covenant approaching the planet

We see The Covenant, another massive, sprawling spaceship, much like the one in PROMETHEUS approaching a planet (it's unclear what planet exactly). We see the crew inside the main deck, including Danny McBride. It's all techo-talk as they approach the planet and its very reminiscent of the approach to the planet in PROMETHEUS. The scene then cuts to a dropship within The Covenant, preparing to land and explore. It's a nod to James Cameron's ALIENS to a point, as everyone is getting strapped in "rollercoaster style", looking nervous and excited. Well, everyone except Michael Fassbender's dark-haired android, Walter, who is pretty emotionless and looking ready to do what is required. Everyone, including Katherine Waterston and Billy Crudup (who is apparently the leader of this endeavor) is decked out in recon-explorer type gear, weapons included. These definitely aren't scientists trying to find God. The planet is stormy, vast, and a bit more lush than what we saw from the planet in PROMETHEUS (again, it's unclear what planet this actually is).

SCENE 2: A Bloody Good Return

The scene opens on Danny McBride communicating from The Covenant in orbit to the recon team onboard. “Are we talking quarantine protocoals?" he says, as we cut to the planet surface, where shit has obviously gone wrong. Something has happened to one of the crew members (which is likely a result of the black spores that someone steps on in the trailer), a man who appears infected. His skin is pale and breathing labored. Two of the other crew members, played by Carmen Ejogo and Amy Seimetz, are carrying the man back to the dropship, which is docked in a grassy field. The atmosphere is dark, the clouds stormy, the area windy. It looks foreboding.

Outside the ship, the infected man pukes up some black goo and everyone freaks out (I mean, who wouldn't?) But, they bring him aboard the shuttle regardless, seeing as Charlize Theron isn't there with a blowtorch this time. Ejogo takes him into the medbay and starts to strip him down. The infected man is freaking out, but never says a word, too focused on what's going on...inside his body.

We then cut to another part of the planet's surface where Billy Crudup is with another team of explorers who are heading back to the dropship. They've got an infected man as well and are also heading back to the dropship. It's obvious things have gone very wrong since that initial approach to the planet and this is the first moment when these explorers are about to see what they've gotten themselves into.

Back in the medbay on the dropship (you can see snippets of this scene in the trailer), the infected man has some kind of outbreak on his back, like a series of bloody pestules. Blood spurts out of them and he goes into convulsions, shaking wildly. Carmen Ejogo is in the room with him and she starts freaking out at his condition. Amy Seimetz is communicating with The Covenant, freaking out herself, trying to convey what's happening. She starts crying and kind of losing it.

Back in the medbay, Ejogo is trying to help the infected man. Spikes suddenly pop out of his back and cut her. She reels back and then his spine seems to BURST OPEN and fall to the floor, some type of creature attached to it. Like a newborn, it kind of wiggles around a bit as it "wakes up". We get a closer look at the creature and it's basically a dog-sized white-colored xenomorph with spikes on its back. It seems to grow slightly bigger with each passing second. It charges at Ejogo and she kicks it away. It turns to come back, attacking her, scratching and clawing. She defends herself as they struggle in a huge puddle of blood.

The white xenomorph escapes the room and chases after Amy Seimetz as she fires at it with a shotgun. It continues to grow as all of this happens. The creature leaps all over the place, clinging to walls, dodging every shot. Seimetz is firing blindly and eventually hits a series of tanks, which sets off a massive explosion, destroying the dropship entirely. Outside the exploding ship, we see Billy Crudup's team nearly there and witnessing the devastation. They's screwed. They stop in their tracks, still dealing with their own sick man, who almost on cue starts convulsing like the guy on the dropship.

His convulsions don't last long, as the camera closes in on his face when suddenly another one of the spiked, white xenomorph's BURST from his FACE, blood gushing everywhere. The xenomorph takes off running into the grass, while the team reels from what just happened. Fassbender's Walter simply looks on...very curiously.

We also got a quick character vignette for Katherine Waterston's Daniels, which was more of a mini-trailer than anything. We see her talking with Billy Crudup's character and it's revealed that The Covenant is carrying 200 colonists, looking to start a new life on a new world. Almost all of them are couples, mean to repopulate wherever they end up. Definitely got those Biblical ties in the Adam and Eve sense and I'm sure Scott will tie those themes into the overall film, much like he did with mythology in PROMETHEUS. "It's our responsibility to investigate."

We see a few quick scenes of Waterston geared up with a gun, looking ready for action, rather than running scared, again giving the impression that there's more to her than a simple space damsel in distress and more akin to Ripley than Noomi Rapace's Elizabeth Shaw.

"All of this to start our new life." Waterston is seen talking to the Fassbender android Walter. She is obviously discussing their journey to the planet and expressing her fears. Walter replies, "I think if we are kind it will be a kind world."

As someone who loves PROMETHEUS (but not without reservations, mind you) and someone who loves the ALIEN franchise in general (again, with reservations), ALIEN: COVENANT really feels like a righting-the-ship kind of film and refocusing on the things we love about the other films, while still injecting the mystery and intrigue from PROMETHEUS. Oh, and bringing back the o.g. xenomorph...and then some. I feel like Scott has a firm take on what he's doing here and has absolutely taken the criticism and cries for more aliens to heart with this. In addition to that, this thing is gonna be bloody as hell if that one scene is any indication. Based on the scenes I saw and this new trailer, I feel like ALIEN: COVENANT is going to be a more rousing, crowd-pleasing jaunt into the franchise and I mean that in the best possible way. There's simply no way I miss this in theaters and I think most of you will feel the same after reading and seeing this.

Keep an eye out for our set visit report when that embargo lifts sometime next year; even more exciting and cool shit to get you ready for the sequel, I assure you.

ALIEN: COVENANT chases you into theaters on May 19, 2017.

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3:40PM on 12/27/2016
Finally going to weigh in on this. I am going green with this comment because I liked what I saw and I think this hints that they may be on the right track, but I have reservations since Prometheus and I'm going to be quite apprehensive with this project. I think narrowing the focus to more of a horror or traditional Alien picture is a good idea because that means the story can avoid being too broad and too ambiguous, which among a host of other problems, was something that hampered Prometheus.
Finally going to weigh in on this. I am going green with this comment because I liked what I saw and I think this hints that they may be on the right track, but I have reservations since Prometheus and I'm going to be quite apprehensive with this project. I think narrowing the focus to more of a horror or traditional Alien picture is a good idea because that means the story can avoid being too broad and too ambiguous, which among a host of other problems, was something that hampered Prometheus. Why do a prequel that wants to comment on the origin of the aliens if you don't intend to answer any questions you raise about that subject? You might as well have just left it a mystery. Ambiguity has it's place in cinema, but they got carried away. This looks to give us some answers while entertaining us in a thriller format, which in IMO, is a much better approach then doing Alien by way of 2001.
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12:23PM on 12/27/2016
Mixed feelings but mostly hopeful that this will be awesome. I'm definitely interested.
Mixed feelings but mostly hopeful that this will be awesome. I'm definitely interested.
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11:18AM on 12/26/2016
Looks like the movie is in the right direction.
Looks like the movie is in the right direction.
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9:38AM on 12/26/2016

Prometheus was awesome

Prometheus was awesome with no flaws, this looks amazing, chicks are funny, get over it
Prometheus was awesome with no flaws, this looks amazing, chicks are funny, get over it
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3:08AM on 12/26/2016

Too Try-Hard

This just seems Ridley heard how his audience didn't like his thinly connected prequel. So caved in and just made modern xenomorph porn. It's like "hey you remember this scene from the original. You remember xenomorphs! Here you are just please love me again" it's pathetic.

Sad thing is that this is clearly going to be third best in the franchise by default because 3 and especially 4 sucked (okay 3 wasn't terrible, but it pales in comparison).
This just seems Ridley heard how his audience didn't like his thinly connected prequel. So caved in and just made modern xenomorph porn. It's like "hey you remember this scene from the original. You remember xenomorphs! Here you are just please love me again" it's pathetic.

Sad thing is that this is clearly going to be third best in the franchise by default because 3 and especially 4 sucked (okay 3 wasn't terrible, but it pales in comparison).
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12:38AM on 12/26/2016
Part of me thinks this looks a bit much like an Alien remake (right down to Katherine Waterson decked out like Ellen Ripley). And part of me wonders if that's a bad thing. Will be interesting to see how it ties in with Prometheus.
Part of me thinks this looks a bit much like an Alien remake (right down to Katherine Waterson decked out like Ellen Ripley). And part of me wonders if that's a bad thing. Will be interesting to see how it ties in with Prometheus.
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7:18PM on 12/25/2016

yes please!

This is Alien!
This is Alien!
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5:30PM on 12/25/2016
Trailer is also a bit meh for me. Xenomorphs (and Predators) are no longer scary... and because of that not really interesting. Here's hoping they can re-invent, but it's a hard sell when we're so familiar with these monsters that they're found in kids stores.
Trailer is also a bit meh for me. Xenomorphs (and Predators) are no longer scary... and because of that not really interesting. Here's hoping they can re-invent, but it's a hard sell when we're so familiar with these monsters that they're found in kids stores.
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2:59PM on 12/25/2016

They cant make enough Xenomorph movies

I hope this one will be good but so far i'm not impressed.
It really doesnt help that because of this one Alien 5 is postponed. Love to see that one.
But my biggest complaint is that Scott really doesnt actually knows what he's doing. Its so obvious that he wanted to make something different than an Alien movie with Prometheus and this time goes all in with the xenomorphs.
The biggest mistake is making the story bigger than they should. I personally dont want everything explained, it takes
I hope this one will be good but so far i'm not impressed.
It really doesnt help that because of this one Alien 5 is postponed. Love to see that one.
But my biggest complaint is that Scott really doesnt actually knows what he's doing. Its so obvious that he wanted to make something different than an Alien movie with Prometheus and this time goes all in with the xenomorphs.
The biggest mistake is making the story bigger than they should. I personally dont want everything explained, it takes away the charm of the other Alien movies. I prefer countless sequels in this rich universe.
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2:45PM on 12/25/2016
Still not convinced yet about this movie. The trailer is very generic and I'm totally FED UP with old songs revisited in a moody way. Every blockbusters trailers are using them nowadays and it has become so not original.
Still not convinced yet about this movie. The trailer is very generic and I'm totally FED UP with old songs revisited in a moody way. Every blockbusters trailers are using them nowadays and it has become so not original.
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1:50PM on 12/25/2016
Yay, another female hero when all capable males are put in the background as support. No thanks, I don't need another neo-Star Wars. It's bad enough we always get a final girl in horror movies, don't put that shit in the sci-fi genre. But she'll survive to the end like typical movies now. I'm sure there will be some great male heroes, but they'll be killed off or shown to be second fiddle to a small woman. meh
Yay, another female hero when all capable males are put in the background as support. No thanks, I don't need another neo-Star Wars. It's bad enough we always get a final girl in horror movies, don't put that shit in the sci-fi genre. But she'll survive to the end like typical movies now. I'm sure there will be some great male heroes, but they'll be killed off or shown to be second fiddle to a small woman. meh
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1:58PM on 12/25/2016
Troll much? Lol, try harder next time.
Troll much? Lol, try harder next time.
8:09PM on 12/25/2016
awwwwwwww sweet cheeks bless your heart did some mean ole woman hurt you
awwwwwwww sweet cheeks bless your heart did some mean ole woman hurt you
11:48PM on 12/25/2016
You are one special kind of moron.
You are one special kind of moron.
12:35AM on 12/26/2016
You don't know much about the Alien franchise, do you?
You don't know much about the Alien franchise, do you?
12:42PM on 12/26/2016
Haha, how insecure are you? You should probably watch Alien before commenting...dipshit.
Haha, how insecure are you? You should probably watch Alien before commenting...dipshit.
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12:34PM on 12/25/2016
Really? I'm not saying it looks bad, but feels like a generic recycle of Prometheus. I'm still optimistic (even though that shower scene looks ridiculous) and dug what I read in the article, the trailer unfortunately just didn't do much for me.
Really? I'm not saying it looks bad, but feels like a generic recycle of Prometheus. I'm still optimistic (even though that shower scene looks ridiculous) and dug what I read in the article, the trailer unfortunately just didn't do much for me.
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12:21PM on 12/25/2016

Look good but...

it feels like too much fan service and pandering for the fans that not like prometheus. and this trailer is to spoilery.

hate this trend of whole movie scenes in trailers.
it feels like too much fan service and pandering for the fans that not like prometheus. and this trailer is to spoilery.

hate this trend of whole movie scenes in trailers.
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12:20PM on 12/25/2016

Looks great

Looks fantastic i hope they shot it in 4k .
Looks fantastic i hope they shot it in 4k .
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11:54AM on 12/25/2016
Loving the look of this, but damn was that trailer spoilery!
Loving the look of this, but damn was that trailer spoilery!
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11:48AM on 12/25/2016

Merry Christmas!!!

My Christmas just got a little more exciting.
My Christmas just got a little more exciting.
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10:40AM on 12/25/2016
A great trailer! This is a must-see movie for me!
A great trailer! This is a must-see movie for me!
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10:32AM on 12/25/2016
Trailer took me back to the first time I saw both Alien, and Aliens. I just hope the film is as scary, intense, and claustrophobic as the trailer was.
Trailer took me back to the first time I saw both Alien, and Aliens. I just hope the film is as scary, intense, and claustrophobic as the trailer was.
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9:19AM on 12/25/2016

Sweet Christmas!

Now we get an epic back-buster moment! That had everything I want in an Alien franchise film. Hope some of the intense action takes place off the ship outside.
Now we get an epic back-buster moment! That had everything I want in an Alien franchise film. Hope some of the intense action takes place off the ship outside.
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8:50AM on 12/25/2016
So so so good. Everything is in there that you could have hoped for in an Alien film and mixed in with elements from Prometheus. Between this, Blade Runner, Planet of the Apes and Star wars it looks like Sci-fi if going to kill it next year.
So so so good. Everything is in there that you could have hoped for in an Alien film and mixed in with elements from Prometheus. Between this, Blade Runner, Planet of the Apes and Star wars it looks like Sci-fi if going to kill it next year.
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8:38AM on 12/25/2016
Finally Scott came to his senses and made an Alien film not some stupid white Prometheus xeno crap.
Finally Scott came to his senses and made an Alien film not some stupid white Prometheus xeno crap.
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5:34AM on 12/25/2016

Dissapointed when I heard Noomi Rapace wasn't returning and this didn't help

I loved Prometheus despite Logan Marshall-Green who I thought was the weakest link. Trailers have to walk a fine line between getting you pumped but not giving away too much. Many trails are able to do that, but this one wasn't. I just don't know what we have to look forward to here. We're going to get some action scenes, one really disgusting scene to compare with the chestburster and... that's about it, right? Because it's feeling like the filmmakers are going to tone down the philosophical
I loved Prometheus despite Logan Marshall-Green who I thought was the weakest link. Trailers have to walk a fine line between getting you pumped but not giving away too much. Many trails are able to do that, but this one wasn't. I just don't know what we have to look forward to here. We're going to get some action scenes, one really disgusting scene to compare with the chestburster and... that's about it, right? Because it's feeling like the filmmakers are going to tone down the philosophical stuff, which I thought really elevated Prometheus. Hopefully I'm wrong. I want a deep story. If they're planning on going pure action we're bound to be dissapointed because nothing compares to the incomparable.
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6:37AM on 12/25/2016
Noomi Rapace is coming back. Not as a main character, but IMDB lists her in this and I remember an article confirming it: [link]
Noomi Rapace is coming back. Not as a main character, but IMDB lists her in this and I remember an article confirming it: [link]
11:02AM on 12/25/2016
LOL. Sorry, don't mean to be insulting or demeaning to your intelligence at all, but there was really nothing deep or philosophical, or intelligent about Prometheus. Just a bunch of convoluted, underdeveloped, and unnecessary plot points that didn't really go anywhere. Ridley and Lindelof bit off more than they could chew and disguised an unintelligent movie as an intelligent one by making you think it was deep because it asked a bunch of age old questions without posing any answers. Logic
LOL. Sorry, don't mean to be insulting or demeaning to your intelligence at all, but there was really nothing deep or philosophical, or intelligent about Prometheus. Just a bunch of convoluted, underdeveloped, and unnecessary plot points that didn't really go anywhere. Ridley and Lindelof bit off more than they could chew and disguised an unintelligent movie as an intelligent one by making you think it was deep because it asked a bunch of age old questions without posing any answers. Logic concerning the characters and their actions also went out the window. Then we have the finally offense, which was trying to tie Alien into all this and manipulating the fan base into showing up for Prometheus because Ridley returned and they were excited for anything Alien related. It failed on that front as well. I like thought provoking cinema as much as the next guy, but Ridley isn't as cerebral as everyone thinks he is and neither is Lindelof. Ridley is best when he sticks to the simple stuff, i.e. the claustrophobic and horror elements of Alien.
12:04PM on 12/25/2016
"Ridley isn't as cerebral as everyone thinks he is and neither is Lindelof."

You don't watch The Leftovers, clearly.
"Ridley isn't as cerebral as everyone thinks he is and neither is Lindelof."

You don't watch The Leftovers, clearly.
12:53PM on 12/25/2016
@psycheoutsteve: Haha you're wrong bud. Prometheus dared to bring God into the conversation which is admirable. They couldn't go full bore with it because this would have alienated the audience to an unacceptable degree. Who wants to watch a big screen version of a peer reviewed theological discussion on the origin of life? You? Only so much can be done in a two hour (and change) picture, and the filmmakers were able to break the series mold, however slightly, and give something to think about.
@psycheoutsteve: Haha you're wrong bud. Prometheus dared to bring God into the conversation which is admirable. They couldn't go full bore with it because this would have alienated the audience to an unacceptable degree. Who wants to watch a big screen version of a peer reviewed theological discussion on the origin of life? You? Only so much can be done in a two hour (and change) picture, and the filmmakers were able to break the series mold, however slightly, and give something to think about. We got that and decent action, one disgusting scene delivered with convincing effects, a great (great) nod to the first film, and a cool cliffhanger. All in two hours. Remember Interstellar? They went 'deep' and we got that goofy nonsense about the tesseract. Prometheus did it right. Cheers
8:39PM on 12/25/2016
@MrScreenAddict- The Leftovers is based on a novel and Lindelof just draws from it the same way he gets his ideas from greater thinkers and writers. He's a parasite just like the creatures in this movie and he can't write a satisfactory conclusion to anything to save his life. Clearly, you haven't seen Lost.

@Money_Sandwich- If I brought up Existentialism at a party and didn't dare to broach the subject beyond its basic definition, that wouldn't make me deep or philosophical. So, explain why
@MrScreenAddict- The Leftovers is based on a novel and Lindelof just draws from it the same way he gets his ideas from greater thinkers and writers. He's a parasite just like the creatures in this movie and he can't write a satisfactory conclusion to anything to save his life. Clearly, you haven't seen Lost.

@Money_Sandwich- If I brought up Existentialism at a party and didn't dare to broach the subject beyond its basic definition, that wouldn't make me deep or philosophical. So, explain why Prometheus is deep merely for bringing something up? Lol, that doesn't make sense. I'm sorry, but don't feed me that crap about what they can and can't accomplish in a 2 hour run time in a cerebral regard. I've seen headier and more entertaining films fill the same time slot. Even something like The Matrix, which dishes out grade school philosophy, does a better job of expanding on the ideas it brings up and balancing that with entertainment. Now, don't get me wrong, the origin of life is an incredibly ambitious topic to tackle and I understand the limits of cinema in this context, but that's precisely why I wish they narrowed the focus instead of biting off way more than they could chew. An origins of life movie would have been ambitious by itself, nevermind a connecting it with another franchise in addition to that.
1:22AM on 12/26/2016
@psycheoutsteve Actually, only the first season of The Leftovers was based on a novel, and even with the benefit of source material it was far more divisive than the second, which was entirely original and also widely considered one of the very best seasons of television in 2015. At least do your research before you troll.
@psycheoutsteve Actually, only the first season of The Leftovers was based on a novel, and even with the benefit of source material it was far more divisive than the second, which was entirely original and also widely considered one of the very best seasons of television in 2015. At least do your research before you troll.
2:41AM on 12/26/2016
@psycheoutsteve: (stifles laughter) You make a good point about Lost but you're still wrong. You've given this a lot of thought so I'll indulge you. Prometheus didn't need to answer all the questions it posed. It gets points just for asking them. It's really just as simple as that. Furthermore, everything's relative. Have you seen Alien Resurrection? See what I'm saying? Remember when Shaw asked the Engineer "Why do you hate us?" That was brilliant. She didn't ask "why do you want to kill us",
@psycheoutsteve: (stifles laughter) You make a good point about Lost but you're still wrong. You've given this a lot of thought so I'll indulge you. Prometheus didn't need to answer all the questions it posed. It gets points just for asking them. It's really just as simple as that. Furthermore, everything's relative. Have you seen Alien Resurrection? See what I'm saying? Remember when Shaw asked the Engineer "Why do you hate us?" That was brilliant. She didn't ask "why do you want to kill us", she spoke of hatred. Crazy people kill indiscriminately but murder based on hatred is deeper. Did the engineers create us? If so why do they hate us? These are unanswered questions and that's why cliffhangers rule. It's a good film with some depth. It just is. By the way, Matrix wasn't deep. That's why those two ridiculous sequels were so deeply unsatisfying; not enough material to stretch across 5 more hours of film. Put down your phone and go stream Cloud Atlas.
2:26PM on 12/26/2016
@MrScreenAddict- I'll concede on this point concerning the Leftovers because, to your surprise, I have actually watched it and thought it wasn't all that bad. Anywho, here's my point: Lindelof's character interactions and drama usually aren't all that bad,(Prometheus is still exempt from this) but I still maintain that when it comes to big ideas and intelligent plot points, he doesn't really know what he's doing and he's still drawing from better thinkers without adding anything or explaining
@MrScreenAddict- I'll concede on this point concerning the Leftovers because, to your surprise, I have actually watched it and thought it wasn't all that bad. Anywho, here's my point: Lindelof's character interactions and drama usually aren't all that bad,(Prometheus is still exempt from this) but I still maintain that when it comes to big ideas and intelligent plot points, he doesn't really know what he's doing and he's still drawing from better thinkers without adding anything or explaining the ideas themselves in any detail. That might be why, after only 3 seasons, The Leftovers is coming to a close. He can keep things running on the fuel of high concepts, but eventually boxes himself into a corner and forces a conclusion that usually fails to conclude anything while leaving us all dissatisfied. I am curious to see if he will fall prey to his own trappings yet again with the latest and final season. Despite getting away from the source material, my point is he is still drawing from it in a way and certainly doesn't have to reinvent the wheel here. I don't think good writers necessarily have to reinvent the wheel when it comes to good writing, but if you want to convince me of your intelligence, you have to demonstrate that you can do more than just quote or mimic basic ideas without delving into anything. A parrot can do that.

@Money_Sandwich- The idea that "everything is relative" is one of the most inaccurate and false statements to have ever been made in a philosophical sense. If everything was relative then nothing would be relative. Try and wrap your head around that. How would we judge or discern anything of fact or truth if that was the case? How would we be able to discern bad art from good art? Just because there are dumb movies out there does not mean a movie that merely references big ideas gets points for doing so and should be rewarded for that. If you truly believe that, then you need to higher your standards. The statement you're posing, which is basically Alien Resurrection= dumb so by comparison Prometheus=smart is ridiculous considering what we're talking about. Have you ever seen Good Will Hunting? Refer to the scene in which Matt Damon calls out the douchebag who made people feel dumb while only spouting line after line from a textbook. Would you say he was intelligent because he could do that? That's essentially what Prometheus did.
8:02PM on 12/26/2016
@psycheoutsteve: Come on dude, you have to admit that compared to Alien Resurrection, Prometheus is as deep as the Mariana trench. "If everything was relative then nothing would be relative" is just something to say. When I say everything is relative you know what I mean. It's not a difficult concept and there's no need to overthink it. In a very real sense relativity is at the core of any sort of art appreciation. This is just a fact of life. You compare this thing to that thing and judge
@psycheoutsteve: Come on dude, you have to admit that compared to Alien Resurrection, Prometheus is as deep as the Mariana trench. "If everything was relative then nothing would be relative" is just something to say. When I say everything is relative you know what I mean. It's not a difficult concept and there's no need to overthink it. In a very real sense relativity is at the core of any sort of art appreciation. This is just a fact of life. You compare this thing to that thing and judge accordingly. This is especially the case when you are talking about films in a series. How many film reviews have you read when the author contrasts the quality of the sequel to the original? What informs the basis of the comparison? Any number of things. Maybe the script. Maybe the performances. Maybe the fact that the filmmakers have tackled subject matter more complex than an alien trying to chew off the human protagonists face. It's the same with music. Have many music reviews have you read where the artists works are compared and contrasted for depth of the subject matter? A rapper puts out an album where he talks about pu##y, cars and murder in 2010, and in 2016 he's talking about more substantive issues. Relatively speaking, the 2016 album might be considered the superior work and the artist may be rewarded accordingly.
11:41AM on 12/27/2016
You think I'm overthinking this, but I'm being sincere when I tell you that even after a couple philosophy classes, maybe even just one, someone brings this up. It's very simple, it just feels complicated because it's screwing with your current perception on art and other elements in the world, which, (and you of course don't have to take this advice) I would consider changing a bit. To say that Prometheus is a smart film by way of comparison to Alien Resurrection rings false to me because the
You think I'm overthinking this, but I'm being sincere when I tell you that even after a couple philosophy classes, maybe even just one, someone brings this up. It's very simple, it just feels complicated because it's screwing with your current perception on art and other elements in the world, which, (and you of course don't have to take this advice) I would consider changing a bit. To say that Prometheus is a smart film by way of comparison to Alien Resurrection rings false to me because the latter does nothing to enhance my experience/make Prometheus more intelligent by being bad on its own. It's a bad movie, but using it to bolster another film in a cerebral sense makes for an invalid argument. And no, the argument doesn't become any less false simply because the films we're talking about are technically in the same series. You could talk about which movie is better in the series all day long, but in the end it doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on their overall merit in the entire world of cinema. Don't know about you, but my teachers never praised me for getting a C or D because I looked good in comparison to the kid who got an F.

I think what you're talking about in our everyday comparisons between musical artists, films, etc, has more to do with our own personal tastes than objective criticisms. I compare within genres, but I don't use those comparisons to weigh a piece of art in an objective sense. Liking Alice In Chains more than Nirvana has more to do with my own personal tastes than it does the former's merits as an artist. Therefore, Alice In Chains doesn't get points as an artist because of my preference to them. Even if I tried to weigh them both objectively while comparing them, all I could find is that one may be objectively better than the other and that's it. That objective comparison still does nothing to solidify one band's place in art. I have to weigh them objectively on their own.

And this brings us back around to the beginning pretty much. You see, what you want to say is basically predecessor=dumb sequel=smart objectively by comparison, but it just doesn't work. Even when you consider that Prometheus' ambitions were much greater and admirable than Alien Resurrection it still doesn't work. You don't get points in the world of objective criticism for that type of critique. More importantly, you should be asking yourself "did Prometheus even succeed in bringing that ambition to fruition?" I don't give something credit for trying when I'm trying to determine if it was smart or good in an objective sense. It has my admiration for trying, but not my respect for failing to deliver upon those ambitions. I think you want this film to be smart, even now after four years, but just like I did you will most likely come to the conclusion that the reach or the writers exceeded their grasp, (this is an ongoing problem with Lindelof in particular) somewhere down the road.

You want cerebral sci-fi? Check out season 1 of Westworld. That's a series where the writers actually know a bit of what they're writing about and where they're going with the plot.
4:25PM on 12/27/2016
But is complete objectivity really a thing? If it is that would be nice, but on some level when you are talking about art appreciation or criticism there is bound to be bias. It may even be on a subconscious level. Take Jason Bourne. The film sucks quite handily on its own merits, but especially compared to the first three Bourne films which were brilliant. From a philosophical standpoint it's easy to say "it's inappropriate to judge the films quality by comparing it to the other films" but
But is complete objectivity really a thing? If it is that would be nice, but on some level when you are talking about art appreciation or criticism there is bound to be bias. It may even be on a subconscious level. Take Jason Bourne. The film sucks quite handily on its own merits, but especially compared to the first three Bourne films which were brilliant. From a philosophical standpoint it's easy to say "it's inappropriate to judge the films quality by comparing it to the other films" but it's inevitable. Maybe it's not even fair but this is just reality. Same with Prometheus v AR. Ultimately what we're coming down to here is an intractable difference of opinion, but my point is that the comparison is inevitable. You make a good point by saying it's wrong to give props to a terrible film because it's better than it's predecessor; That's obvious. I don't recall saying Prometheus rules simply because AR sucked. At the same time though, it's impossible for me not to give some credit to the filmmakers for taking the film where they did. And the fact that AR sucked ass informs my opinion to some degree. The relative quality or "depth" is not the sole criteria, but it is a thing. Cheers
9:54PM on 12/27/2016
@Money_sandwich- I think objective criticism is a thing. It's what has enabled us to recognize the Mona Lisa as masterpiece instead of just some ordinary portrait. Trust me, there are standards for this stuff, and I'm not gonna list them all or look them up, but being objective should be part of what makes a good critic. I like hearing the subjective stuff too because it's fun and interesting sometimes, but if you want to get at the nitty gritty details of what makes something truly good, then
@Money_sandwich- I think objective criticism is a thing. It's what has enabled us to recognize the Mona Lisa as masterpiece instead of just some ordinary portrait. Trust me, there are standards for this stuff, and I'm not gonna list them all or look them up, but being objective should be part of what makes a good critic. I like hearing the subjective stuff too because it's fun and interesting sometimes, but if you want to get at the nitty gritty details of what makes something truly good, then you have to break away from the subjective a bit. It sounds impossible, but there are ways to do it. Kant's Critique of Judgment talks about this very problem. It's thick, dense, boring, and a pain in the ass to read, but it's all there lol. I'm sure you can find other books on the subject too. Last post, I swear.
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3:25AM on 12/25/2016
Looks creepy and beautiful. Can't wait for this movie.
Looks creepy and beautiful. Can't wait for this movie.
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2:19AM on 12/25/2016

PLEASE DON'T STOP MAKING MOVIES, RIDLEY!!!

PLEASE for the love of god be 'actually good,' not just 'intellectually good / good because Ridley directed it; good!' -- I loved PROMETHIUS, but we all know it didn't live up to the promise of the hype and marketing... I'm hoping this is a proper ALIEN prequel / sequel
that ads to the canon and doest just confuse and DIVIDE the fans! ---- having said that, I should say that RIDLEY SCOTT is a God amongst men and this genuinely looks BAD ASS!!!
PLEASE for the love of god be 'actually good,' not just 'intellectually good / good because Ridley directed it; good!' -- I loved PROMETHIUS, but we all know it didn't live up to the promise of the hype and marketing... I'm hoping this is a proper ALIEN prequel / sequel
that ads to the canon and doest just confuse and DIVIDE the fans! ---- having said that, I should say that RIDLEY SCOTT is a God amongst men and this genuinely looks BAD ASS!!!
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1:34AM on 12/25/2016
A cool red band trailer for the new Alien film on Christmas Day!? Thank you Fox and Ridley Scott. Thanks you.

Space Hoodie :)
A cool red band trailer for the new Alien film on Christmas Day!? Thank you Fox and Ridley Scott. Thanks you.

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1:18AM on 12/25/2016

Sorry, looked kinda bland

Like who didn't see that face hugger jumping out? And the Alien in the sex scene? Oh please. Not saying it'll be bad, but this looked like very generic fair.
Like who didn't see that face hugger jumping out? And the Alien in the sex scene? Oh please. Not saying it'll be bad, but this looked like very generic fair.
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1:36AM on 12/25/2016
Fuck you Grinch!
Fuck you Grinch!
2:50AM on 12/25/2016
Thank you, [link] I thought the same thing. As you said though, it could still be good.
Thank you, [link] I thought the same thing. As you said though, it could still be good.
12:54AM on 12/25/2016

FUCKING! YES!

FUCK YES! best xmas GIFT ever! This looks beyond amazing 2017 will be the year for movies. we got the new fast and furious, king kong, alien, blade runner, the new cloverfield, the new star wars. God its good to be alive in 2017. But this, this is just simply amazing.
FUCK YES! best xmas GIFT ever! This looks beyond amazing 2017 will be the year for movies. we got the new fast and furious, king kong, alien, blade runner, the new cloverfield, the new star wars. God its good to be alive in 2017. But this, this is just simply amazing.
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12:36AM on 12/25/2016

Interesting

This looks like it will be a pretty wild ride. It also seems that the crew will have more problems than just the aliens. This definitely has my attention.
This looks like it will be a pretty wild ride. It also seems that the crew will have more problems than just the aliens. This definitely has my attention.
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