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Amy Pascal confirms Sony's comic book universe will have links to MCU

06.18.2017

Comic book movie nerds everywhere have slowly been making peace with the fact that Spider-Man may not have a place in Sony’s upcoming superhero movieverse, so far featuring a Venom and Silver Sable/Black Cat movie. But all that yoga and meditation and punching walls seemed to be for nothing, as Amy Pascal has come out and said all their movies will have a root in the same world as Spider-Man, a world we like to call the MCU (run by Disney and Marvel Studios).

While speaking next to Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige, Sony’s Pascal said the world they will create with their own slate of movies will go towards expanding the world of Peter Parker/Spider-Man (now being played by Tom Holland), even though they may have a different feel and setting from the MCU:

Those movies will now take place in the world we’re creating for Peter Parker. They’ll be adjunct to it, they may be different locations, but it will still all be in the same world and they will be connected to each other

But the key factor is Spidey himself, and of course the question arises if Holland’s iteration of the character will be showing up in any of Sony's movies, the studio that does in fact hold the rights to the character:

There’s a chance! There’s always a chance.

Pascal would go on to say that what Feige and Marvel have done that’s so special is turning their movies into unique chapters in a book that must be read before continuing, and that’s something they hope to achieve with their movies. So far they have no movies to speak of, but their VENOM movie with Tom Hardy is hoping to begin filming this year for a late 2018 release. The character is one of the web-slinger’s greatest foes, so many have been dying to know exactly how a movie will work without the two together.

Though it seems Pascal wants Sony’s movies to have some link to the MCU’s Spider-Man, I wouldn’t go as far as to say the characters the studio brings to the screen will effectively be a part of the universe as a whole – in the same way Captain America, Thor, Iron Man and more are. What is likely to happen is their characters will be aware to the events that happen in the MCU, but won’t have any sort of contact with other characters the exist in it, other than Spider-Man. This could mean some crossover with Spidey popping into Sony movies, and vice versa, but I wouldn’t hope for Iron Man tussling with Venom anytime soon. That's too much studio intermingling, and we all know that can bring about the apocalypse.

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5:14PM on 06/19/2017

Love Venom...

But i agree, maybe he should be a villain in a spiderman movie first. The only way for this to work is if its set in the near future where Tom Hollands spiderman already rejected the symbiote. Maybe we will see how it all went down in future Spidey movies.
But i agree, maybe he should be a villain in a spiderman movie first. The only way for this to work is if its set in the near future where Tom Hollands spiderman already rejected the symbiote. Maybe we will see how it all went down in future Spidey movies.
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1:25PM on 06/19/2017
Why does this have to be so nuts? I'm sure it's been said somewhere else already (not in this article though), but I must have forgotten. Why can't we just have a Spider-Man with Venom, or Black Cat, or Silver Sable in it beforehand? These solo flicks without Spidey just sound bonkers to me.
Why does this have to be so nuts? I'm sure it's been said somewhere else already (not in this article though), but I must have forgotten. Why can't we just have a Spider-Man with Venom, or Black Cat, or Silver Sable in it beforehand? These solo flicks without Spidey just sound bonkers to me.
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1:05PM on 06/19/2017
Considering that Kevin Feige has repeatedly said they're not connected, I'm thinking Pascal is maybe a little confused.
Considering that Kevin Feige has repeatedly said they're not connected, I'm thinking Pascal is maybe a little confused.
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9:43AM on 06/19/2017

The tones won't match.

This is why you don't give the movie rights to some of your best characters to other film studios. Can you imagine how awesome it would be to have the Sony and Fox Marvel characters in the current MCU? I still hope that someday Spider-Man, Fan Four, and X-Men will all be at home under the MCU roof, but that probably won't happen.
This is why you don't give the movie rights to some of your best characters to other film studios. Can you imagine how awesome it would be to have the Sony and Fox Marvel characters in the current MCU? I still hope that someday Spider-Man, Fan Four, and X-Men will all be at home under the MCU roof, but that probably won't happen.
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6:17AM on 06/19/2017
This movie feels like the ""Sinister Six" project.
This movie feels like the ""Sinister Six" project.
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5:57AM on 06/19/2017

How the F**K

So no one is bringing up this point much yet, but if you look at the history of the character (Venom) you'll see that the reason venom exists at all is DIRECTLY linked to Peter's time with the symbiote AND his job at the Daily Bugle/rivalry with Eddie Brock (if rivalry is the right word for it). Unless Sony plans to totally rewrite the character and give him and entirely new motivation then this won't work. And even if they do that, which looks to be the case, were not getting a faithful
So no one is bringing up this point much yet, but if you look at the history of the character (Venom) you'll see that the reason venom exists at all is DIRECTLY linked to Peter's time with the symbiote AND his job at the Daily Bugle/rivalry with Eddie Brock (if rivalry is the right word for it). Unless Sony plans to totally rewrite the character and give him and entirely new motivation then this won't work. And even if they do that, which looks to be the case, were not getting a faithful adaptation of Venom which is the reason why movies like Deadpool and Logan worked in the first place. You're creating faithful adaptions of beloved characters. You can't just drop a familiar costume and setting on us and expect it to be a hit. Look at the DCU, look at the failed TASM movies, look at any failed comic book property and you see the main complaints are either you made it to service building a bigger film universe (TASM 2, IRON MAN 2, etc) or you clearly didn't take into account who the character was you were making the movie about and assumed as long as they look like the character fans will come in hoards to see it. Amy even states Sony wants to emulate what marvel has done and god damnit Marvel didn't succeed because of a shared universe they succeeded in making good movies time and time again THUS EARNING THE TRUST WE NOW HAVE IN THEM. Sony, unfortunately for them, doesn't have our trust. Gotta learn before you earn, Amy.
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11:40PM on 06/18/2017

Sounds like it will be connected the same way the Netflix universe is "connected"

We will see posters on the wall that say "the battle of New York" and occasional references to the Avengers, but none of the characters will ever show up.
We will see posters on the wall that say "the battle of New York" and occasional references to the Avengers, but none of the characters will ever show up.
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10:43PM on 06/18/2017
I would definitely prefer a separate universe, as I love the idea of different comic book worlds for us to enjoy -- each one can bring a different tone, style, etc.

If they do make a more serious, intense, 'hard' Venom starring Tom Hardy (channeling his inner Bronson, Mad Max-ian side), what a shame it would be to then neuter that character to appear alongside a teenage, MCU Spidey. Same with a character like Carnage.

Let Sony develop its own world, and that way we can enjoy multiple
I would definitely prefer a separate universe, as I love the idea of different comic book worlds for us to enjoy -- each one can bring a different tone, style, etc.

If they do make a more serious, intense, 'hard' Venom starring Tom Hardy (channeling his inner Bronson, Mad Max-ian side), what a shame it would be to then neuter that character to appear alongside a teenage, MCU Spidey. Same with a character like Carnage.

Let Sony develop its own world, and that way we can enjoy multiple creative visions.
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6:51PM on 06/18/2017
I can't see a Venom nor Silver and Black movies NOT connect to Hollands Peter Parker. To make it a separate world would be weird to me. The problem is that they abandoned Sinister Six due to ASM2 not doing well and now we have Vulture (whom would have been one of the six as the suit was in ASM2) but Sony's jumping the gun instead of allowing things to progress naturally. If not for Civil War and joining the MCU, it would have at least be 2 years before Sony rebooted and made "Your Friendly
I can't see a Venom nor Silver and Black movies NOT connect to Hollands Peter Parker. To make it a separate world would be weird to me. The problem is that they abandoned Sinister Six due to ASM2 not doing well and now we have Vulture (whom would have been one of the six as the suit was in ASM2) but Sony's jumping the gun instead of allowing things to progress naturally. If not for Civil War and joining the MCU, it would have at least be 2 years before Sony rebooted and made "Your Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-man" staring...I dunno. Who cares. Sony needs to be careful here. As much as I loved Civil War, I kinda wanted to see Raimi's Spider-man, older and far more experienced, being the connection to MCU..which would have also been weird.
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6:00PM on 06/18/2017
So... Kevin is saying "Sony films aren't MCU"
but... Amy is saying "Sony films are kinda MCU".

I will only count the Sony films as 'connected' IF there's interaction with Holland's Spider-Man.

That is to say... I fully expect Venom to connect with Black & Silver (or is it Silver & Black?)... so all I'm asking is for Holland to cameo in one of them - and that will do. That'll be MCU enough for me.

My fear is, they'll come to bring Spidey in (because they'll realise it's a stretch to
So... Kevin is saying "Sony films aren't MCU"
but... Amy is saying "Sony films are kinda MCU".

I will only count the Sony films as 'connected' IF there's interaction with Holland's Spider-Man.

That is to say... I fully expect Venom to connect with Black & Silver (or is it Silver & Black?)... so all I'm asking is for Holland to cameo in one of them - and that will do. That'll be MCU enough for me.

My fear is, they'll come to bring Spidey in (because they'll realise it's a stretch to have a Spider-Man universe without him)... and we'll end up with a different actor. If that' happens it's game over for the connection idea. They might get away with it if said Spidey is Miles Morales, but it'll be an eye-roll "okay then".

I'm not going to dismiss these films, but I'd really rather have the likes of Venom & Black Cat show up in a SPIDER-MAN film.
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5:48PM on 06/18/2017
I was worried about this when Marvel started this Sony team up.
As much as I love Spider-Man in the MCU, I don't know if it's worth sacrificing the integrity of the MCU to let a studio who currently have made a run of awful decusions (Ghostbusters, MIB/Jump Street) anywhere near their property. They already fucked up trying to cram spin off material into Amazing Spider-Man and are now running straight into repeating the same mistake, but this time it's not just their properties at
I was worried about this when Marvel started this Sony team up.
As much as I love Spider-Man in the MCU, I don't know if it's worth sacrificing the integrity of the MCU to let a studio who currently have made a run of awful decusions (Ghostbusters, MIB/Jump Street) anywhere near their property. They already fucked up trying to cram spin off material into Amazing Spider-Man and are now running straight into repeating the same mistake, but this time it's not just their properties at stake.
This is like Marvel letting Sony play with their toys so that they could have a go with Spider-Man and now Sony are about to get their sticky shit covered fingers all over them.
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6:03PM on 06/18/2017
I dont know if the MIB/21 Jump St crossover is actually happening, we havent heard anything about it in months and Jonah Hill said it's probably not happening. My guess would be Sony is going to focus their efforts on expanding the Spiderman universe. Hopefully with Disney's involvement, they will be more guided and planned out better than the last 2 franchises. i could see how people would be wary of Sony diving into the spinoff scene, but with Marvel studios as a whole not producing any
I dont know if the MIB/21 Jump St crossover is actually happening, we havent heard anything about it in months and Jonah Hill said it's probably not happening. My guess would be Sony is going to focus their efforts on expanding the Spiderman universe. Hopefully with Disney's involvement, they will be more guided and planned out better than the last 2 franchises. i could see how people would be wary of Sony diving into the spinoff scene, but with Marvel studios as a whole not producing any critical disasters in the last few years, im optimistic and willing to give it a chance
5:20PM on 06/18/2017
Like someone below said, this will probably be treated the same as the shows: they're connected, but only connected by a one way street. By which I mean the shows acknowledge the events/characters in the movies, but the movies never acknowlegde the shows. However, I'm still not interest in solo venom or black cat films without Spider-man, so unless that changes Sony is still fighting an uphill battle.
Like someone below said, this will probably be treated the same as the shows: they're connected, but only connected by a one way street. By which I mean the shows acknowledge the events/characters in the movies, but the movies never acknowlegde the shows. However, I'm still not interest in solo venom or black cat films without Spider-man, so unless that changes Sony is still fighting an uphill battle.
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4:52PM on 06/18/2017
Really sounds like she is saying the films will take place in the MCU without ACTUALLY saying they will take place there. Like they'll be across a river, but you can see the MCU from there.
Really sounds like she is saying the films will take place in the MCU without ACTUALLY saying they will take place there. Like they'll be across a river, but you can see the MCU from there.
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4:28PM on 06/18/2017
It's awesome that it'll be canon and that we'll see Spider Man actually go up against Venom in the MCU. I'm just really happy with how and who they have been casting Spider Man's villains with (Keaton and Hardy). Hopefully the quality continues so that when the Sinister Six finally form, it'll be a great film.
It's awesome that it'll be canon and that we'll see Spider Man actually go up against Venom in the MCU. I'm just really happy with how and who they have been casting Spider Man's villains with (Keaton and Hardy). Hopefully the quality continues so that when the Sinister Six finally form, it'll be a great film.
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3:01PM on 06/18/2017
I see these Sony/Spiderman movies as being like the Netflix shows. Yes they exist in the same world as the rest of the MCU, but they wont connect the same way as the other films do. They will connect with each other and only Spiderman will be the bridging factor. At least, thats what im hoping.
I see these Sony/Spiderman movies as being like the Netflix shows. Yes they exist in the same world as the rest of the MCU, but they wont connect the same way as the other films do. They will connect with each other and only Spiderman will be the bridging factor. At least, thats what im hoping.
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7:16PM on 06/18/2017
I like that analogy, and hopefully that's how they do it. I have thought Spider-Man would almost work better as a Netflix show (albeit a TV-14 Netflix show) because like the Defenders, he mostly operates in New York City, he's just a little more superpowered.
I like that analogy, and hopefully that's how they do it. I have thought Spider-Man would almost work better as a Netflix show (albeit a TV-14 Netflix show) because like the Defenders, he mostly operates in New York City, he's just a little more superpowered.
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