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Apparently, director David Cronenberg does not think highly of superhero films

Aug. 15, 2012by: Paul Shirey

Well, it looks like director David Cronenberg does not have a high opinion of superhero films, which shouldn't come as much of a surprise to those familiar with his work.  Cronenberg has always been an "outside-the-box" kind of filmmaker, so it's not exactly a shock that he doesn't care for the genre.  However, I certainly don't agree with his assertations that a superhero film can't be an "elevated art form," seeing as not everything that falls into that category has to be shocking, weird, and melancholic.

Here's the interview excerpt from Next Movie:

David, you've done drama and horror. Some fairly formidable directors have branched out into superhero movies pretty beautifully —is that something you would consider doing?

DC: I don't think they are making them an elevated art form. I think it's still Batman running around in a stupid cape. I just don't think it's elevated. Christopher Nolan's best movie is "Memento," and that is an interesting movie. I don't think his Batman movies are half as interesting though they're 20 million times the expense. What he is doing is some very interesting technical stuff, which, you know, he's shooting IMAX and in 3-D. That's really tricky and difficult to do. I read about it in "American Cinematography Magazine," and technically, that's all very interesting. The movie, to me, they're mostly boring.

Do you think the subject matter prohibits the elevated art form?

DC: Absolutely. Anybody who works in the studio system has got 20 studio people sitting on his head at every moment, and they have no respect, and there's no…it doesn't matter how successful you've been. And obviously Nolan has been very successful. He's got a lot of power, relatively speaking. But he doesn't really have power.

So that's a no.

DC: I would say that's a no, you know. And the problem is you gotta… as I say, you can do some interesting, maybe unexpected things. And certainly, I've made the horror films and people say, "Can you make a horror film also an art film?" And I would say, "Yeah, I think you can."

But a superhero movie, by definition, you know, it's comic book. It's for kids. It's adolescent in its core. That has always been its appeal, and I think people who are saying, you know, "Dark Knight Rises" is, you know, supreme cinema art," I don't think they know what the f**k they're talking about.

Personally, I think Cronenberg's comments about the genre are a bit closed-minded and dismissive.  It's also pretty hypocritical to say that comic books are for kids and are "adolescent," seeing as the director has adapted a comic book himself with John Wagner's A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE, which coincidentally is one of his best films.  But, obviously I don't know what the f*ck I'm talking about.

I'm sure there will be some mild backlash from Cronenberg's comments from fans, critics, and probably Christopher Nolan, but I'm also sure that the director has run out of f*cks to give on the subject, so it won't really matter.

Cronenberg's latest flick, COSMOPOLIS, opens in limited release this Friday, August 17, 2012.

Extra Tidbit: Does this change your opinion of Cronenberg in any way?
Source: Next Movie

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9:17PM on 08/17/2012
Well, everybody's entitled to their opinion. But he's still wrong.
Well, everybody's entitled to their opinion. But he's still wrong.
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7:42AM on 08/17/2012
He sounds just like one of those clueless dicks who look down on horror films - including the ones he used to make, back when he had interesting stories to tell.

I have a feeling John Carpenter was right about Cronenberg...
He sounds just like one of those clueless dicks who look down on horror films - including the ones he used to make, back when he had interesting stories to tell.

I have a feeling John Carpenter was right about Cronenberg...
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12:57AM on 08/17/2012

He's right on some levels

Sorry to say but comic book movies are geared to kids. He's right. If you think any other way you are wrong. It's all about how much money the studios make. That market is kids. If anyone thinks TDKR is high art, you are wrong. Comic book movies all one gigantic formula. Everyone knows Batman survives in the end. There are no twists and turns that won't work themselves out in the end. Nolan is and will continue to be a successful director. He just wanted to make Batman cool. I can't
Sorry to say but comic book movies are geared to kids. He's right. If you think any other way you are wrong. It's all about how much money the studios make. That market is kids. If anyone thinks TDKR is high art, you are wrong. Comic book movies all one gigantic formula. Everyone knows Batman survives in the end. There are no twists and turns that won't work themselves out in the end. Nolan is and will continue to be a successful director. He just wanted to make Batman cool. I can't believe so many people just shit on Cronenberg for Batman. I mean really.
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12:57AM on 08/17/2012

He's right on some levels

Sorry to say but comic book movies are geared to kids. He's right. If you think any other way you are wrong. It's all about how much money the studios make. That market is kids. If anyone thinks TDKR is high art, you are wrong. Comic book movies all one gigantic formula. Everyone knows Batman survives in the end. There are no twists and turns that won't work themselves out in the end. Nolan is and will continue to be a successful director. He just wanted to make Batman cool. I can't
Sorry to say but comic book movies are geared to kids. He's right. If you think any other way you are wrong. It's all about how much money the studios make. That market is kids. If anyone thinks TDKR is high art, you are wrong. Comic book movies all one gigantic formula. Everyone knows Batman survives in the end. There are no twists and turns that won't work themselves out in the end. Nolan is and will continue to be a successful director. He just wanted to make Batman cool. I can't believe so many people just shit on Cronenberg for Batman. I mean really.
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12:52AM on 08/17/2012

He's right on some levels

Sorry to say but comic book movies are geared to kids. He's right. If you think any other way you are wrong. It's all about how much money the studios make. That market is kids. If anyone thinks TDKR is high art, you are wrong. Comic book movies all one gigantic formula. Everyone knows Batman survives in the end. There are no twists and turns that won't work themselves out in the end. Nolan is and will continue to be a successful director. He just wanted to make Batman cool. I can't
Sorry to say but comic book movies are geared to kids. He's right. If you think any other way you are wrong. It's all about how much money the studios make. That market is kids. If anyone thinks TDKR is high art, you are wrong. Comic book movies all one gigantic formula. Everyone knows Batman survives in the end. There are no twists and turns that won't work themselves out in the end. Nolan is and will continue to be a successful director. He just wanted to make Batman cool. I can't believe so many people just shit on Cronenberg for Batman. I mean really.
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6:02PM on 08/16/2012
This guys best movie was a remake of the B movie the Fly, he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Anyone with any knowledge of Christopher Nolan knows that he doesn't shoot in 3D so his comments are unfounded and not thought out. Sometimes the "old guard" just needs to fade away. Just because you made some good movies in the 80's doesn't mean your relevant today. The average comic book collector is over 21, to reiterate, Cronenberg has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. P.S.
This guys best movie was a remake of the B movie the Fly, he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Anyone with any knowledge of Christopher Nolan knows that he doesn't shoot in 3D so his comments are unfounded and not thought out. Sometimes the "old guard" just needs to fade away. Just because you made some good movies in the 80's doesn't mean your relevant today. The average comic book collector is over 21, to reiterate, Cronenberg has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. P.S. History of Violence was AWFUL!
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2:49PM on 08/16/2012

That's ok

I think many of Cronenberg's movies are boring...
I think many of Cronenberg's movies are boring...
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2:30PM on 08/16/2012
Why does refreshing this page after you have already posted resubmit the post? Please fix.
Why does refreshing this page after you have already posted resubmit the post? Please fix.
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2:25PM on 08/16/2012

Yup.

First of all, I WANT the directors I watch to be pretentious, ego-driven control freaks. Those are the guys/girls who are making good films. They should have strong opinions about their craft. Nolan himself has been dismissive and skeptical about certain styles and methods of filming, so let's not pretend that Cronenberg is somehow alone in this. Second, While I enjoy Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, they are very formulaic in structure and storytelling, as are all "superhero" films. The one
First of all, I WANT the directors I watch to be pretentious, ego-driven control freaks. Those are the guys/girls who are making good films. They should have strong opinions about their craft. Nolan himself has been dismissive and skeptical about certain styles and methods of filming, so let's not pretend that Cronenberg is somehow alone in this. Second, While I enjoy Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, they are very formulaic in structure and storytelling, as are all "superhero" films. The one superhero film I've seen that dared to even challenge this was Unbreakable, which gets far less credit than it deserves. While superhero stories can become great movies, they ultimately begin and end the same. Nolan's best work has easily been Memento, Insomnia and The Prestige. Feel free to disagree. Cronenberg's best have been Dead Ringers, Crash, Videodrome and A Dangerous Method.
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1:50PM on 08/16/2012
Dude's just jealous, or else he would have kept his opinions to himself. I personally find Insomnia to be my fav Nolan film.
Dude's just jealous, or else he would have kept his opinions to himself. I personally find Insomnia to be my fav Nolan film.
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1:43PM on 08/16/2012
This coming from a man who took an acting part in "Jason X".
This coming from a man who took an acting part in "Jason X".
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12:34PM on 08/16/2012

Wtf?

This guy thinks he is top choice grade A genius and yet he obviously never even watched Nolans trilogy. He said Nolan shot in 3D, I stopped reading there. Cronenberg has not done a decent movie in YEARS because he wont do anything different and is burnt out in his field. He needs to retire.
This guy thinks he is top choice grade A genius and yet he obviously never even watched Nolans trilogy. He said Nolan shot in 3D, I stopped reading there. Cronenberg has not done a decent movie in YEARS because he wont do anything different and is burnt out in his field. He needs to retire.
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10:21AM on 08/16/2012

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Here's what I find offensive. Not that he dismisses the entire genre of superheroes since elitist old farts are prone to make sweeping statements like this. But the fact that he's so out of touch that he dismisses the entire industry of comics as "kids stuff". Really? You can't even argue with something so ignorant. It's kinda ironic since so much of his best work reminds me of comic iinfluenced story telling.
Here's what I find offensive. Not that he dismisses the entire genre of superheroes since elitist old farts are prone to make sweeping statements like this. But the fact that he's so out of touch that he dismisses the entire industry of comics as "kids stuff". Really? You can't even argue with something so ignorant. It's kinda ironic since so much of his best work reminds me of comic iinfluenced story telling.
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10:16AM on 08/16/2012

Telling quote

"He's got a lot of power, relatively speaking. But he doesn't really have power"
That really says it all, I think Cronenberg is basically jealous of Nolan's "power". Nolan is making the films he wants to make (Inception anyone?). To say Nolan has no power is a false statement. WB would probably let Nolan direct the Yellow Pages if he wanted to.
"He's got a lot of power, relatively speaking. But he doesn't really have power"
That really says it all, I think Cronenberg is basically jealous of Nolan's "power". Nolan is making the films he wants to make (Inception anyone?). To say Nolan has no power is a false statement. WB would probably let Nolan direct the Yellow Pages if he wanted to.
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12:03PM on 08/16/2012
Its a delusion of power. You actually think nolan has 100% creative control? Granted he has say in alot of things but it still needs to be approved cause hes working FOR WB/DC who are producing the film. At the end of the day its WB approval of the film that we get to see and anything they dont like in the film is taken out.
Its a delusion of power. You actually think nolan has 100% creative control? Granted he has say in alot of things but it still needs to be approved cause hes working FOR WB/DC who are producing the film. At the end of the day its WB approval of the film that we get to see and anything they dont like in the film is taken out.
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9:48AM on 08/16/2012

This Crap From The Director Of 'Cosmopolis'...

One of the worst films I've ever seen and he has the gall to spout off about other film genres. Cronenberg's misses exceed his hits by a huge margin. Superhero films are another genre - that's it. Just because they aren't his cup of tea is no reason to slag Christopher Nolan's work. He'll take a run at Joss Whedon for daring to make superhero movies, space operas or vampire programs that don't star Marilyn Chambers.
One of the worst films I've ever seen and he has the gall to spout off about other film genres. Cronenberg's misses exceed his hits by a huge margin. Superhero films are another genre - that's it. Just because they aren't his cup of tea is no reason to slag Christopher Nolan's work. He'll take a run at Joss Whedon for daring to make superhero movies, space operas or vampire programs that don't star Marilyn Chambers.
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9:39AM on 08/16/2012

heh,

First thing, there are Comic Books and there are Graphic Novels. Spider Man and Batman fall into the former and History of Vilolence falls into the latter. Comic books are monthly releases that often change artist and writer during hte duration of their run. A Graphic Novel is a single printed story that often only uses a single artist and writer for its diration. What i think Cronenberg is getting at is that comic books aren't stable enough to make it elevated, you have too many ppl involved
First thing, there are Comic Books and there are Graphic Novels. Spider Man and Batman fall into the former and History of Vilolence falls into the latter. Comic books are monthly releases that often change artist and writer during hte duration of their run. A Graphic Novel is a single printed story that often only uses a single artist and writer for its diration. What i think Cronenberg is getting at is that comic books aren't stable enough to make it elevated, you have too many ppl involved and you can't make it your own. While on the other hand a graphic novel, like History of Violenceis, is much more containted and usually has a much easier arch to adapt. Now there are always exceptions to the rule. I would consider Watchmen a graphic novel even though it was originally printed in 12 dbl sized issues but it was still a contained story with one artist/writer.
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12:09PM on 08/16/2012
You're kinda missing the point here. He didn't delineate a difference between the two so you're really just speculating. I'd be surprised if he even read the source material when adapting AHoV, cuz from what I heard he pretty much was handed a script.

And Graphic Novels are just an industry term buzzword they introduced so that snobs wouldn't feel guilty when deigning to read this puerile format. Non-superhero material like Maus and Eightball were originally serialized but then collecting
You're kinda missing the point here. He didn't delineate a difference between the two so you're really just speculating. I'd be surprised if he even read the source material when adapting AHoV, cuz from what I heard he pretty much was handed a script.

And Graphic Novels are just an industry term buzzword they introduced so that snobs wouldn't feel guilty when deigning to read this puerile format. Non-superhero material like Maus and Eightball were originally serialized but then collecting in Trade Paper Backs that most people refer to as standout examples of Graphic Novels because they're self-contained stories. I think what you're trying to refer to is creator-owned work which is often independently owned and produced work, and work-for-hire, which are often corporate entities with interchangeable creative teams.
2:24PM on 08/16/2012
2 Things. First, my response wasn't to what Cronenberg says but to the articles writer for calling him a hypocrite. Second, no Graphic Novel is not a "buzz" word used by the industry. It is the term used when referring to a comic book like story and presentation but that is originally printed as a single volume instead of multiple issues. Collected issues into books are called Trade Paperbacks, not Graphic Novels. If ppl who don't understand that designation and use the terms loosely makes no
2 Things. First, my response wasn't to what Cronenberg says but to the articles writer for calling him a hypocrite. Second, no Graphic Novel is not a "buzz" word used by the industry. It is the term used when referring to a comic book like story and presentation but that is originally printed as a single volume instead of multiple issues. Collected issues into books are called Trade Paperbacks, not Graphic Novels. If ppl who don't understand that designation and use the terms loosely makes no difference.

It is my belief that Cronenberg is talking in terms that the stuff you find in monthly Super Hero comics like Spider Man are not the types of source material that can be adapted into high art. However graphic novels like A History of Violence or From Hell are, in his opinion.
6:34PM on 08/16/2012
Yeah, I'm fully aware of the perceived difference of Trades and Graphic Novels there condescendo, but it doesn't change the fact that tit WAS a term invented to bring more prestige to the medium. I believe it was coined when trying to sell Will Esiner's books to non-comic friendly bookstores in the 70s. Again, just a term people use to differentiate from crass commercial floppies and collections, and High Art indie publications. Personally I see it as divisive and an arbitrary distinction which
Yeah, I'm fully aware of the perceived difference of Trades and Graphic Novels there condescendo, but it doesn't change the fact that tit WAS a term invented to bring more prestige to the medium. I believe it was coined when trying to sell Will Esiner's books to non-comic friendly bookstores in the 70s. Again, just a term people use to differentiate from crass commercial floppies and collections, and High Art indie publications. Personally I see it as divisive and an arbitrary distinction which connote that 'comic books' are bullshit kiddy fodder.

You seem to be referring to this whole subtext of his statements that doesn't exist. Where does he say that Graphic Novels can be "High Art"? The guy made a dick move, plain and simple.
8:52AM on 08/16/2012

Non-Story

To each his own. I personally love superhero flicks. If he doesn't that's fine, he can like whatever he wants.

Oh and even though I respect his opinion, he is a fool for saying that Nolan uses 3D, everyone and their mother knows that dude hates that crap and rightfully so.
To each his own. I personally love superhero flicks. If he doesn't that's fine, he can like whatever he wants.

Oh and even though I respect his opinion, he is a fool for saying that Nolan uses 3D, everyone and their mother knows that dude hates that crap and rightfully so.
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8:51AM on 08/16/2012

Well...

I guess this is just one of those opinions I don't agree with.
I guess this is just one of those opinions I don't agree with.
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8:47AM on 08/16/2012
Cronenberg makes some valid points, and clearly thinks Nolan is a good filmmaker, just that maybe superhero films aren't going to allow him to make his greatest movies - which is a reasonable viewpoint. Where Nolan has done well, I think, is that he doesn't just make a superhero film - he makes a cool film that happens to incorporate a comicbook character, and I do think the weakest points of The Dark Knight Rises were where he used traits that were more "generic comicbook movie" than "great
Cronenberg makes some valid points, and clearly thinks Nolan is a good filmmaker, just that maybe superhero films aren't going to allow him to make his greatest movies - which is a reasonable viewpoint. Where Nolan has done well, I think, is that he doesn't just make a superhero film - he makes a cool film that happens to incorporate a comicbook character, and I do think the weakest points of The Dark Knight Rises were where he used traits that were more "generic comicbook movie" than "great movie". I'd like to think Nolan has still to make his greatest movie, and there's a reasonable chance it won't be related to comics.
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8:43AM on 08/16/2012

Well said!

Oh man, I'd give anything to see him and Alan Moore duke it out on whether "supreme art" works better as comics or films:

AM: Film isn't daring enough and narrow visioned! Everything has to be "Hollywoodized" to appease the masses instead of telling it as it is! As far I'm concerned those so-called adaptions of my works are totally half-assed because they don't capture the essence of what I had in mind! FAR FROM IT!

DC: Dude, comics are for kids PERIOD! Always have been in order to
Oh man, I'd give anything to see him and Alan Moore duke it out on whether "supreme art" works better as comics or films:

AM: Film isn't daring enough and narrow visioned! Everything has to be "Hollywoodized" to appease the masses instead of telling it as it is! As far I'm concerned those so-called adaptions of my works are totally half-assed because they don't capture the essence of what I had in mind! FAR FROM IT!

DC: Dude, comics are for kids PERIOD! Always have been in order to sell the fantasy and calling your stuff 'Adult/Graphic' by adding sex or naked boobies to mix doesn't cut it because your audience are those same kids who are now grown but not grown-up to appreciated the intellect of film where human emotion is conveyed unambigously is more relatable!

Anyways it doesn't change my opinion of Cronenberg because he does have a point with the whole Superhero thing.
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8:23AM on 08/16/2012

It's just one man's opinion

I still love the hell out of both Cronenberg and Nolan but maybe ole Dave should do some research next time (regarding Nolan's non existent use of 3D)
I still love the hell out of both Cronenberg and Nolan but maybe ole Dave should do some research next time (regarding Nolan's non existent use of 3D)
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8:11AM on 08/16/2012
Cronenberg is obviously a fool. Especially as horror is probably the most common genre in hollywood cinema. He is right that Memento is Nolan's best film, and I personally think that Nolan should go back to making lower budget films, but saying that superhero films cannot be an art form? I would recommend him to read Watchmen, The Boys and Preacher and tell me there is nothing there except kids heroes running around in capes. Very close minded. Oh and saying Nolan shot in 3D? What an arse,
Cronenberg is obviously a fool. Especially as horror is probably the most common genre in hollywood cinema. He is right that Memento is Nolan's best film, and I personally think that Nolan should go back to making lower budget films, but saying that superhero films cannot be an art form? I would recommend him to read Watchmen, The Boys and Preacher and tell me there is nothing there except kids heroes running around in capes. Very close minded. Oh and saying Nolan shot in 3D? What an arse, everyone knows how anti-3D Nolan is.
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8:11AM on 08/16/2012

Blasphemous

Did he say Nolan filmed in 3D? This old fuck needs to drink some hateraide.
Did he say Nolan filmed in 3D? This old fuck needs to drink some hateraide.
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7:26AM on 08/16/2012
David Cronenberg: "It's impossible to make a comic book film into high art. Anyone who disagrees doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about."

Reporter: "But you made a string of horror films that could be regarded as high art."

David Cronenberg: "Well, sure..."

Reporter: "So is it not then possible for the same to be done for the comic book genre?"

David Cronenberg: "Look, this isn't-"

Reporter: "And you adapted a comic book yourself, don't forget."

David Cronenberg:
David Cronenberg: "It's impossible to make a comic book film into high art. Anyone who disagrees doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about."

Reporter: "But you made a string of horror films that could be regarded as high art."

David Cronenberg: "Well, sure..."

Reporter: "So is it not then possible for the same to be done for the comic book genre?"

David Cronenberg: "Look, this isn't-"

Reporter: "And you adapted a comic book yourself, don't forget."

David Cronenberg: "Where are you going with this?"

Reporter: "I just think it's incredibly hypocritical for you to sit there and tell me that comic book films are nothing more than artless, commercial fodder for the masses, when you made a movie about a man who turns into a fly."

David Cronenberg: "Who do you think you are talking to me like that?"

Reporter (pulls off mask): "I'm Batman, MOTHERFUCKER!"

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7:10AM on 08/16/2012
He is from a different generation and doesn’t like superhero movies. So what. He is a great filmmaker and is entitled to his own opinion. PS – I hate people who dismiss entire genres, no one here does that right? Everyone here loves, Bollywood, Musicals, Silent Films, Black and White Classics, and Gay Porn right? I actually own films from all those genres/styles – well except gay porn, so even I’m dismissive of some stuff. BTW I love superhero movies and I dont agree with
He is from a different generation and doesn’t like superhero movies. So what. He is a great filmmaker and is entitled to his own opinion. PS – I hate people who dismiss entire genres, no one here does that right? Everyone here loves, Bollywood, Musicals, Silent Films, Black and White Classics, and Gay Porn right? I actually own films from all those genres/styles – well except gay porn, so even I’m dismissive of some stuff. BTW I love superhero movies and I dont agree with Cronenberg, but he still rocks.
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6:58AM on 08/16/2012
I disagree that the whole genre is juvenile, but I agree that the whole new Batman trilogy isn't tht special. Sure, they're good movies, but claiming that Nolan reinvented the genre and that they're almost arthouse movies....then you don't really know what arthouse is. Nolan's stuff is probably a bit more ambitious or even a tad smarter than the average superhero movie, but it remains commercial fodder (and there is nothing wrong with that).

I disagree that the whole genre is juvenile, but I agree that the whole new Batman trilogy isn't tht special. Sure, they're good movies, but claiming that Nolan reinvented the genre and that they're almost arthouse movies....then you don't really know what arthouse is. Nolan's stuff is probably a bit more ambitious or even a tad smarter than the average superhero movie, but it remains commercial fodder (and there is nothing wrong with that).

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6:34AM on 08/16/2012
Thank God, there's someone else out there who thinks TDKR was gash... ;o)
Thank God, there's someone else out there who thinks TDKR was gash... ;o)
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6:21AM on 08/16/2012
he is true and Cronenberg must b angry about Nolan for remaking his film ExistenZ into Inception
he is true and Cronenberg must b angry about Nolan for remaking his film ExistenZ into Inception
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6:16AM on 08/16/2012

Mr.Cronenberg....

..Do you feel in charge?
..Do you feel in charge?
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5:05AM on 08/16/2012

LOL

"I think people who are saying, you know, "Dark Knight Rises" is, you know, supreme cinema art," I don't think they know what the f**k they're talking about."
That's what I was trying to tell y'all for years, but the angry fanboys just won't listen :o)
I think "eastern promises" was way better than "a history of violence" though.
"I think people who are saying, you know, "Dark Knight Rises" is, you know, supreme cinema art," I don't think they know what the f**k they're talking about."
That's what I was trying to tell y'all for years, but the angry fanboys just won't listen :o)
I think "eastern promises" was way better than "a history of violence" though.
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6:37AM on 08/16/2012
I agree about Eastern Promises!
I agree about Eastern Promises!
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2:16AM on 08/16/2012

Meh.

What I think is that Cronenberg has a movie coming out that few people know (or really care) about, and this is a great way to generate some free publicity for it. I like some of Cronenberg's work, but he mainly does smallish movies with smaller budgets and the movies he creates sometimes reflect that limitation. I can appreciate his work while ignoring his opinion. Because his opinion seems fabricated to sell more tickets to his movie that looks fairly boring....to me.
What I think is that Cronenberg has a movie coming out that few people know (or really care) about, and this is a great way to generate some free publicity for it. I like some of Cronenberg's work, but he mainly does smallish movies with smaller budgets and the movies he creates sometimes reflect that limitation. I can appreciate his work while ignoring his opinion. Because his opinion seems fabricated to sell more tickets to his movie that looks fairly boring....to me.
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2:01AM on 08/16/2012

I can agree with him on this...

everyone praises TDK and Inception, but Memento is easily the best film Nolan has ever done.
everyone praises TDK and Inception, but Memento is easily the best film Nolan has ever done.
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1:59AM on 08/16/2012

xtra tidbit : NO. Cronenberg is one of the greatest artists of alltime

thats what i've been saying.recent Batman films r boring,prententious in the name of "intelligent","mature","character study" cinema.All i like is Joker character and some parts of The Dark knight
thats what i've been saying.recent Batman films r boring,prententious in the name of "intelligent","mature","character study" cinema.All i like is Joker character and some parts of The Dark knight
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1:56AM on 08/16/2012
Dark Knight Rises was pretty damn boring
Dark Knight Rises was pretty damn boring
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1:54AM on 08/16/2012
Dark Knight Rises was pretty damn boring
Dark Knight Rises was pretty damn boring
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1:46AM on 08/16/2012

I love the man's work...

He makes great films and is truly a visionary as far as directors go... one of few I can say that about... He's not quite as renowned as a Tarantino, Aronofsky, or Scorsese, but still... But to call any of Nolan's films boring is far sighted. I mean, Eastern Promises and A History Of Violence are great, but are remarkably slow films when put in comparison to things like Inception or Memento. I agree that there is a certain childish heir about superhero films, but isn't that half the fun??? I
He makes great films and is truly a visionary as far as directors go... one of few I can say that about... He's not quite as renowned as a Tarantino, Aronofsky, or Scorsese, but still... But to call any of Nolan's films boring is far sighted. I mean, Eastern Promises and A History Of Violence are great, but are remarkably slow films when put in comparison to things like Inception or Memento. I agree that there is a certain childish heir about superhero films, but isn't that half the fun??? I mean, 90% of why I loved Nolan's Batman films so much is the nostalgia that it instilled. Would any of us give a shit about some superhero we didn't grow up watching or reading about? Maybe Cronenberg never read comics, or watched the cartoons, and just doesn't get why a great superhero film is so special to the rest of us. I wouldn't give a shit about some film based on some "anime" cartoon I'd never heard of or watched, and probably wouldn't care for it, but if the fans responded, who am I to say it's "bad".. Look at results... Nolan, Singer, Raimi, Wheadon.... They gave the people what they wanted, and they were damn fine films. Cronenberg shouldn't slam what he doesn't understand. He makes the movies based on the stories he wants to tell... He shouldn't condemn others for doing the same. It just makes him come across as petty.
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1:28AM on 08/16/2012
Not that hes incorrect or anything, but rather comes off as "douchey."
Not that hes incorrect or anything, but rather comes off as "douchey."
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12:08AM on 08/16/2012
You're all fucking loser fanboys. Cronenberg is right and he kicks ass
You're all fucking loser fanboys. Cronenberg is right and he kicks ass
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12:02AM on 08/16/2012

Several Things

A) "A History Of Violence" is his worst film, bar none. B) His attitude here is god-awful and he clearly shows no grasp of comics or what they can be. C) If he thinks so little of comics, why did he do "A History Of Violence"?
A) "A History Of Violence" is his worst film, bar none. B) His attitude here is god-awful and he clearly shows no grasp of comics or what they can be. C) If he thinks so little of comics, why did he do "A History Of Violence"?
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11:45PM on 08/15/2012

Well

Different strokes for different folks I suppose...
Different strokes for different folks I suppose...
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11:13PM on 08/15/2012
I think Cronenberg needs to see that just as he could push the boundaries with subversive, intriguing, "out-of-the-box" style takes on the thriller and horror genres, the same can be done to superhero and comic book films. Sequential art has come a very long way and it's actually been established for a while that comic books have moved past the stage of being "for kids". I've actually read several graphic novels that left me scarred for a while. Arkham Asylum: Serious House on Serious Earth?
I think Cronenberg needs to see that just as he could push the boundaries with subversive, intriguing, "out-of-the-box" style takes on the thriller and horror genres, the same can be done to superhero and comic book films. Sequential art has come a very long way and it's actually been established for a while that comic books have moved past the stage of being "for kids". I've actually read several graphic novels that left me scarred for a while. Arkham Asylum: Serious House on Serious Earth? The Killing Joke? And many recent graphic novels develop some really interesting ideas. Y The Last Man had a great "what if" concept, and Pride of Baghdad, by the same author, was the story of four lions who escaped from the Baghdad Zoo during the invasion of Iraq, and was based on a true story. Pretty heavy and actually rather beautiful stuff. I can understand why Cronenberg would take this stance and he certainly is entitled to his opinion, but I guess even he needs to broaden his horizons.
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11:02PM on 08/15/2012

I kinda get it...

He's down playing 'superheroes' not comics as a whole. A History of Violence has nothing to do with superheroes. He stays away from the commercial side of the business, where the Superheroes clearly are running the box office of late, and he concentrates on art house stuff. I can see what he means, and truthfully it's not like we need a Cronenberg X-men movie anyway. I like him doing his own thing.
He's down playing 'superheroes' not comics as a whole. A History of Violence has nothing to do with superheroes. He stays away from the commercial side of the business, where the Superheroes clearly are running the box office of late, and he concentrates on art house stuff. I can see what he means, and truthfully it's not like we need a Cronenberg X-men movie anyway. I like him doing his own thing.
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10:53PM on 08/15/2012
Hahahahaha now everyones got their panties in a bunch. I 100% disagree with him on his opinion on comic book movies but thats just his opinion and he's entitled to it. I do wish the interviewer slipped in "but history of violence was comic book film" just to see the laughs that would follow. The way I see things is that Cronenberg is a brillant film maker and he's been in the business for so long that he's entitled to say whatever the fuck he likes.
Hahahahaha now everyones got their panties in a bunch. I 100% disagree with him on his opinion on comic book movies but thats just his opinion and he's entitled to it. I do wish the interviewer slipped in "but history of violence was comic book film" just to see the laughs that would follow. The way I see things is that Cronenberg is a brillant film maker and he's been in the business for so long that he's entitled to say whatever the fuck he likes.
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10:18PM on 08/15/2012

hahahahaha...this dude has...

some brass ones that's for sure. Just to play devil's advocate, the interviewer did egg him on. And DKR is not a masterpiece, no matter what many say. If I had to point to a Nolan masterpiece I'd have to say it's a toss up between Inception and The Dark Knight. What he says here reflects what many people say about guys like Malick. His comments do reflect what Bale thinks s the difference between Nolan's batman films and superhero movies as well. Meh, to each his own, I do watch the flawed 'A
some brass ones that's for sure. Just to play devil's advocate, the interviewer did egg him on. And DKR is not a masterpiece, no matter what many say. If I had to point to a Nolan masterpiece I'd have to say it's a toss up between Inception and The Dark Knight. What he says here reflects what many people say about guys like Malick. His comments do reflect what Bale thinks s the difference between Nolan's batman films and superhero movies as well. Meh, to each his own, I do watch the flawed 'A History of Violence' regularly, it is my favourite Cronenberg movie. Besides, how is Scanners not like a superhero movie? There were super-powered people hunting super-powered people.
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9:41PM on 08/15/2012
For adolescents? Read Garth Ennis's run on the Superhero Punisher and or Frank Millers run on Daredevil and plenty of others. Trust me David, comics have come a long way since WAM! BAMM! BORT!
For adolescents? Read Garth Ennis's run on the Superhero Punisher and or Frank Millers run on Daredevil and plenty of others. Trust me David, comics have come a long way since WAM! BAMM! BORT!
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10:26PM on 08/15/2012
bort? lol
bort? lol
9:39PM on 08/15/2012
interesting coming from the man who played the villain in Nightbreed
interesting coming from the man who played the villain in Nightbreed
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1:56AM on 08/16/2012
And that is relevant how?
And that is relevant how?
9:24PM on 08/15/2012

Entitled to his opinion, but...

can anyone even envision what a Cronenberg "superhero" film would look like? By their very nature, most "superhero" films end on an uplifting note whereas Cronenberg's films end with the audience needing a hug and a Rx for prozac.
can anyone even envision what a Cronenberg "superhero" film would look like? By their very nature, most "superhero" films end on an uplifting note whereas Cronenberg's films end with the audience needing a hug and a Rx for prozac.
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9:14PM on 08/15/2012
While I agree that History of Violence is his best film he did a horrible job actually adapting the material. For someone who talks about it being impossible to elevate the genre read the original graphic novel sometime and his movie as much as I liked it did not do it justice.
While I agree that History of Violence is his best film he did a horrible job actually adapting the material. For someone who talks about it being impossible to elevate the genre read the original graphic novel sometime and his movie as much as I liked it did not do it justice.
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9:13PM on 08/15/2012
While I agree that History of Violence is his best film he did a horrible job actually adapting the material. For someone who talks about it being impossible to elevate the genre read the original graphic novel sometime and his movie as much as I liked it did not do it justice.
While I agree that History of Violence is his best film he did a horrible job actually adapting the material. For someone who talks about it being impossible to elevate the genre read the original graphic novel sometime and his movie as much as I liked it did not do it justice.
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9:12PM on 08/15/2012
I agree that most superhero material is told in a very juvenile and commercial way. But it doesn't have to be, just like scifi it can be as deep and intelligent and artsyfartsy as anything. Nolan's Bat is probably about as "elevated" as Cronenbergs stuff anyway, his own films are more batshit genre than artsy,
He might be right about the studio interference making it impossible to make a totally auteur superhero film. Was that why Aronofsky left Wolverine maybe?
I agree that most superhero material is told in a very juvenile and commercial way. But it doesn't have to be, just like scifi it can be as deep and intelligent and artsyfartsy as anything. Nolan's Bat is probably about as "elevated" as Cronenbergs stuff anyway, his own films are more batshit genre than artsy,
He might be right about the studio interference making it impossible to make a totally auteur superhero film. Was that why Aronofsky left Wolverine maybe?
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8:52PM on 08/15/2012
i disagree with his points.
i disagree with his points.
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8:40PM on 08/15/2012
interesting coming from the man who played the villain in Nightbreed
interesting coming from the man who played the villain in Nightbreed
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8:29PM on 08/15/2012
He sounds like a completely jealous fool, and Nolan doesn't like 3D therefore he doesn't use it.


Oh and Cosmopolis looks terrible. Much like all his work.
He sounds like a completely jealous fool, and Nolan doesn't like 3D therefore he doesn't use it.


Oh and Cosmopolis looks terrible. Much like all his work.
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9:01PM on 08/15/2012
All his work? Have you not seen The Fly? That movie is great!
All his work? Have you not seen The Fly? That movie is great!
8:20PM on 08/15/2012
While I agree that History of Violence is his best film he did a horrible job actually adapting the material. For someone who talks about it being impossible to elevate the genre read the original graphic novel sometime and his movie as much as I liked it did not do it justice.
While I agree that History of Violence is his best film he did a horrible job actually adapting the material. For someone who talks about it being impossible to elevate the genre read the original graphic novel sometime and his movie as much as I liked it did not do it justice.
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8:20PM on 08/15/2012
To quote The Dude: "That's just like eh.......your opinion man."
To quote The Dude: "That's just like eh.......your opinion man."
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8:16PM on 08/15/2012
I didn't know Nolan used 3D? I swore he despised it? Oh, that's right, he does! Cronenberg needs to get his head out of his own ass. He's a talented filmmaker, sure. But to say superhero movies haven't been elevated, really? But there is one thing he did get right, Memento is more interesting than Nolan's Batman movies, but that's just because it's more of a single psychological character piece.
I didn't know Nolan used 3D? I swore he despised it? Oh, that's right, he does! Cronenberg needs to get his head out of his own ass. He's a talented filmmaker, sure. But to say superhero movies haven't been elevated, really? But there is one thing he did get right, Memento is more interesting than Nolan's Batman movies, but that's just because it's more of a single psychological character piece.
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8:14PM on 08/15/2012

Wow...

Cronenberg is one of my favorite directors, but his comments here are rude and dismissive. Don't like superhero film's all you want, just don't dismiss the whole art form itself as childish nonsense.
Cronenberg is one of my favorite directors, but his comments here are rude and dismissive. Don't like superhero film's all you want, just don't dismiss the whole art form itself as childish nonsense.
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8:01PM on 08/15/2012
Well, he's wrong. I mean, he's entitled to his opinion, but it's very close-minded and... yeah, wrong. To say that they can't be an "elevated art form" in today's day and age is actually pretty shocking from as wild a guy as Cronenberg. I'd expect him to be more open to all kinds of art.

Doesn't change my opinion of him, though. The dude's made some of my favorite movies of all time (especially THE FLY and HISTORY OF VIOLENCE). I don't think any of my favorite filmmakers share my
Well, he's wrong. I mean, he's entitled to his opinion, but it's very close-minded and... yeah, wrong. To say that they can't be an "elevated art form" in today's day and age is actually pretty shocking from as wild a guy as Cronenberg. I'd expect him to be more open to all kinds of art.

Doesn't change my opinion of him, though. The dude's made some of my favorite movies of all time (especially THE FLY and HISTORY OF VIOLENCE). I don't think any of my favorite filmmakers share my opinions on everything, but that doesn't change my admiration of their work.
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7:39PM on 08/15/2012
Exactly, Nolan doesn't even use 3D and he is completely against the use of 3D. Nolan is a god of cinema, and Cronenberg is jealous of that. Nolan is the epitome of filmmaking, and instead of learning from Nolan, all Cronenberg can do is disrespect the master.
Exactly, Nolan doesn't even use 3D and he is completely against the use of 3D. Nolan is a god of cinema, and Cronenberg is jealous of that. Nolan is the epitome of filmmaking, and instead of learning from Nolan, all Cronenberg can do is disrespect the master.
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7:39PM on 08/15/2012

It's certainly a dick move.

I equate it to how critics called The Hobbit and LOTR books "juvenille trash".
And if "A Dangerous Method" is "elevated art" and what "adults" are supposed to watch, then I'll be grabbing my jimmy jams and heading off to Neverland. Because fuck "A Dangerous Method", how could a movie with Viggo Mortensen, and a ton of kinky boning be so BORING. Seriously, even "The Artist" was less boring.

But that might be my adolescent reaction to somebody not liking a thing I like. Still, fuck ignorance.
I equate it to how critics called The Hobbit and LOTR books "juvenille trash".
And if "A Dangerous Method" is "elevated art" and what "adults" are supposed to watch, then I'll be grabbing my jimmy jams and heading off to Neverland. Because fuck "A Dangerous Method", how could a movie with Viggo Mortensen, and a ton of kinky boning be so BORING. Seriously, even "The Artist" was less boring.

But that might be my adolescent reaction to somebody not liking a thing I like. Still, fuck ignorance.
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7:57PM on 08/15/2012
So are the thumbs down for not liking A Dangerous Method, or The Artist?
So are the thumbs down for not liking A Dangerous Method, or The Artist?
8:02PM on 08/15/2012
Maybe you just offended nine people who REALLY think LOTR is juvenile trash?
Maybe you just offended nine people who REALLY think LOTR is juvenile trash?
7:38PM on 08/15/2012
Every man is entitled to his own opinions. I still like Cronenberg's works.
Every man is entitled to his own opinions. I still like Cronenberg's works.
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7:37PM on 08/15/2012
What an idiot & sounds a bit condescending & maybe even a bit jealous. Also he should at least know that Nolan has never shot a movie in 3D & is not a fan of it either.
What an idiot & sounds a bit condescending & maybe even a bit jealous. Also he should at least know that Nolan has never shot a movie in 3D & is not a fan of it either.
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7:37PM on 08/15/2012
I honestly think that he comes off more pretentious asshole who believes that he himself is a grander visionary than other directors. Sure, the Studio does want to get their word in because it is their money and resources they are putting into something that can break a studio if someone goes off the rails.
He has made a few good movies, but this isn't a guy I have to see the movie of when he releases something. So at the end of the day,, I dismiss him. I have zero interest in a guy who
I honestly think that he comes off more pretentious asshole who believes that he himself is a grander visionary than other directors. Sure, the Studio does want to get their word in because it is their money and resources they are putting into something that can break a studio if someone goes off the rails.
He has made a few good movies, but this isn't a guy I have to see the movie of when he releases something. So at the end of the day,, I dismiss him. I have zero interest in a guy who feels like he has to shit on something that people love. Movies are meant to entertain and like mentioned, it doesn't have to be shocking! in order to be good.
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7:32PM on 08/15/2012

When did Nolan use 3D?

When did Nolan ever use 3D? I don't think Cronenberg has actually watched his more commercial movies. As much as I enjoy Cronenberg's movies, he's a great director, I don't think nip-picking Nolan's films is the best place for Cronenberg to start when he doesn't know the filmmaker's feelings on 3D or how he even shot the films. Nolan tried to make the best movies possible with his Dark Knight trilogy, regardless of the constraints of the genre, and like few commercial filmmakers actually tries
When did Nolan ever use 3D? I don't think Cronenberg has actually watched his more commercial movies. As much as I enjoy Cronenberg's movies, he's a great director, I don't think nip-picking Nolan's films is the best place for Cronenberg to start when he doesn't know the filmmaker's feelings on 3D or how he even shot the films. Nolan tried to make the best movies possible with his Dark Knight trilogy, regardless of the constraints of the genre, and like few commercial filmmakers actually tries to evolve and improve upon his craft with each film. Sure, compromises were made either to the sense of reality or to the Batman mythos but he tried. Its about more than what kind of camera you shoot the film on, coming from a background in English literature, its obvious for Nolan its more about storytelling than the stock of film. Telling the best story instead of how big you can blow up the image on a screen or how much you can charge for a ticket. Superhero stories can be profound, even if its hard to translate that into film. Its difficult but with a great filmmaker its not impossible. Its about the quality of the story, not the genre itself. There have been great graphic novels, superhero and otherwise, the genre isn't as limited as a two minute trailer for a Nolan or any other filmmaker's superhero film may make it seem.
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7:28PM on 08/15/2012

Tidbit...

Big words for a guy who hasn't made a great film in quite a long time in my opinion and yes that includes the hugely overrated A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE. Also Nolan has never and will never touch 3D so I'd read the article again Dave. I know it's his opinion though which is fine. Nothing more. He can make what he wants to make and Nolan can do the same.
Big words for a guy who hasn't made a great film in quite a long time in my opinion and yes that includes the hugely overrated A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE. Also Nolan has never and will never touch 3D so I'd read the article again Dave. I know it's his opinion though which is fine. Nothing more. He can make what he wants to make and Nolan can do the same.
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7:27PM on 08/15/2012

Tidbit

No, it doesn't change my opinion about him, he's entitled to his opinion. He's wrong about Nolan using 3D, but that seemed like an honest mistake. I think some of this might just be a generational thing. Cronenberg is older. Kinda reminds me of my dad, he'll watch the superhero movies but other than a few (the original superman and Nolan's Batmans) he doesn't really love them. Us younger people who grew up with the comics, cartoons, etc are more interested in these stories and characters. I
No, it doesn't change my opinion about him, he's entitled to his opinion. He's wrong about Nolan using 3D, but that seemed like an honest mistake. I think some of this might just be a generational thing. Cronenberg is older. Kinda reminds me of my dad, he'll watch the superhero movies but other than a few (the original superman and Nolan's Batmans) he doesn't really love them. Us younger people who grew up with the comics, cartoons, etc are more interested in these stories and characters. I think the older generation still views comic-related material as kids stuff b.c it mainly was when it got started, but we grew up in a time where comic characters had more to offer in terms of story and emotion.
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8:05PM on 08/15/2012
Well said @anomaly. And I agree. There is a massive generational gap when it comes to what's "hip" and what isn't and it will always be so as long as time moves forward. Popular genres change like the weather, so you never really know what's going to be the most popular from moment to moment. If you had asked me ten years ago if I thought comic book movies would be as popular as they are now, I would've expressed a lot of doubt (although I was always hopeful).

Personally, I'm pleased as
Well said @anomaly. And I agree. There is a massive generational gap when it comes to what's "hip" and what isn't and it will always be so as long as time moves forward. Popular genres change like the weather, so you never really know what's going to be the most popular from moment to moment. If you had asked me ten years ago if I thought comic book movies would be as popular as they are now, I would've expressed a lot of doubt (although I was always hopeful).

Personally, I'm pleased as punch to see comic books of all types (superhero or otherwise) being adapted with care, vision, and creativity, giving them the respect they deserve. It's a shame that so many "old timers" liken comics to the Bang! Pow! of the Batman TV show, which was a campy mess (if even a fun one) that never got the character of Batman right.

Good comments, all around.
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7:25PM on 08/15/2012

I was gonna say

I trust the visitors of this site have the maturity and integrity to respect others opinions, especially those of an accomplished director such as Cronenberg, instead of taking it extremely personally and attacking -- but I guess I spoke to soon, as proven by the first comment. Come on people, it's just an opinion. It's not wrong, it's not right -- it's an opinion. Don't get offended by an opinion, be mature even in your disagreement. Agree to disagree/to each their own/whatever. But 'fuck
I trust the visitors of this site have the maturity and integrity to respect others opinions, especially those of an accomplished director such as Cronenberg, instead of taking it extremely personally and attacking -- but I guess I spoke to soon, as proven by the first comment. Come on people, it's just an opinion. It's not wrong, it's not right -- it's an opinion. Don't get offended by an opinion, be mature even in your disagreement. Agree to disagree/to each their own/whatever. But 'fuck you!!!'? Grow up.
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7:37PM on 08/15/2012
He completely disrespected a whole genre and WE'RE supposed to be moderate? Nuanced reactions are for nuanced statements.
He completely disrespected a whole genre and WE'RE supposed to be moderate? Nuanced reactions are for nuanced statements.
7:42PM on 08/15/2012
There will always be trolls on any site & fanboys who overreact when anything popular is ridiculed. Ya get people like the poster below you who think it's cool to insult someone they don't even know. Thats not expressing an opinion & it's never gonna change.
There will always be trolls on any site & fanboys who overreact when anything popular is ridiculed. Ya get people like the poster below you who think it's cool to insult someone they don't even know. Thats not expressing an opinion & it's never gonna change.
8:17PM on 08/15/2012
Unfortunately he asked for that kind of disrespect with his "opinion". It is his opinion and usually I'm very tolerant of people's opinions but I'm afraid that he didn't just give his opinion. Read his words again. He basically said everyone else doesn't know what the f&*k they are talking about and apparently only he does. That's not an opinion, that is an insult. Of course people are going to be up in arms over that. It's okay if he doesn't like superhero movies. Some people don't but to
Unfortunately he asked for that kind of disrespect with his "opinion". It is his opinion and usually I'm very tolerant of people's opinions but I'm afraid that he didn't just give his opinion. Read his words again. He basically said everyone else doesn't know what the f&*k they are talking about and apparently only he does. That's not an opinion, that is an insult. Of course people are going to be up in arms over that. It's okay if he doesn't like superhero movies. Some people don't but to claim that he is right and everyone else is wrong is no different than all of the trolls on the internet that we can't stand doing the same thing.
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7:22PM on 08/15/2012

Fuck you Cronenberg!!!

Hate to break it to you but TDKR is supreme cinema art, something that you'll never achieve in your lifetime you jealous hack of a filmmaker.
Hate to break it to you but TDKR is supreme cinema art, something that you'll never achieve in your lifetime you jealous hack of a filmmaker.
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