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09.21.2015

There have been far too many rumors about MAN OF STEEL 2 in recent weeks than there probably should be. There is a ton of BS about what characters might be in it, what story it could tell, who might be directing it, and all of that is churning about while the larger question remains - Is Warner Bros. even ready to make it? A straight-forward sequel to MAN OF SEQUEL was shoved to the backburner the second the first film was divisive and didn't exactly set the box office on fire in the way the studio had hoped. They wanted a $1 billion movie notch in their belt, and they didn't get. Then they throw Batman into the next chapter as they build out the DC Cinematic Universe and Superman starts feeling like an afterthought.

But they have to give Clark Kent a shot at redemption at some point, right? Superman, as iconic as he is, can't just be a tag-along for the rest of his cinematic life one would think, no?

Well, in a recent interview while promoting his Doritos commercial contest, this nugget from Zack Snyder seems to have fallen through the cracks until skilled archaeologists dug it up, laying out exactly when you might get to see MAN OF STEEL 2.

I think in a way BATMAN V SUPERMAN is MAN OF STEEL 2. JUSTICE LEAGUE is kind of the transcendent, knights-of-the-round-table of the story. It’d be interesting to think about what a standalone Superman movie might be.

I don't know that it's interesting at all to think about what a standalone Superman movie might be. We already got one from Snyder, so we know what it'd be. Has he somehow forgotten like plenty others already? It also sounds like there is no vision for Superman's own path moving ahead as he'll simply be another one of the boys as we get more Aquaman, more Flash, more Cyborg and the like. It really is a damn shame no one seems to be able to crack what a good Superman movie might entail, and that doesn't appear to be something Warner Bros. is ready to take another shot at anytime soon.

BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE apparently gives Superman the sequel we didn't know was his sequel on March 25, 2016.

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9:26AM on 09/23/2015
Synder said "in a way", he didn't confirm that they aren't making a Man of Steel 2. I'm not worried that Warner Brothers won't make it, in fact, I'm fairly certain they will.
Synder said "in a way", he didn't confirm that they aren't making a Man of Steel 2. I'm not worried that Warner Brothers won't make it, in fact, I'm fairly certain they will.
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9:18AM on 09/23/2015
Relax everybody, there's definitely going to be an official 'Man of Steel 2' at some point. Supeman is obviously going to get another stand alone movie starring Henry Cavill, so relax.
Relax everybody, there's definitely going to be an official 'Man of Steel 2' at some point. Supeman is obviously going to get another stand alone movie starring Henry Cavill, so relax.
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12:47AM on 09/23/2015
Superman deserves a better fate than Synder's Man of Steel 1 and playing second fiddle (or shared fiddle) in BvS.
Superman deserves a better fate than Synder's Man of Steel 1 and playing second fiddle (or shared fiddle) in BvS.
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11:36PM on 09/22/2015

So what do they do....

If Affleck's first Batman movie is a disappointment? Flash is going to suck (and Suicide Squad looks pretty crappy), so DC is betting the farm on all this coming together, but BvS might be the best thing they have to offer.

What would a standalone Superman movie look like? It would look great. We've had the crappy luck to get 4 Christopher Reeve films (one good, one campy, two awful), 1 Brian Singer movie (bad), and 1 Zach Snyder movie (decent). But all they have to do is make a real
If Affleck's first Batman movie is a disappointment? Flash is going to suck (and Suicide Squad looks pretty crappy), so DC is betting the farm on all this coming together, but BvS might be the best thing they have to offer.

What would a standalone Superman movie look like? It would look great. We've had the crappy luck to get 4 Christopher Reeve films (one good, one campy, two awful), 1 Brian Singer movie (bad), and 1 Zach Snyder movie (decent). But all they have to do is make a real Superman movie. Let him go to space and visit Mongul or Darkseid (both equally strong, but with completely different powers). Or let him fight Doomsday (assuming that's not what BvS is) or another massive threat (preferably not Brainiac). Enough with Lex Luthor and his land acquisitions and no more General Zod. Let him find humanity through his relationship with Lois or other people in his life, making him want to be more self-sacrificing. Some interesting plot that has an arc and a challenge that is a real life or death threat. Make it separate from Justice League and let him develop as a character. It will work and it will make the JL much better if Batman isn't the main story.
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9:43PM on 09/22/2015
I certainly hope that an actual Man of Steel 2 will happen, with another director attached. I don't hate Snyder's work, but a new director with a different visual style would be most welcome.
I certainly hope that an actual Man of Steel 2 will happen, with another director attached. I don't hate Snyder's work, but a new director with a different visual style would be most welcome.
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5:00PM on 09/22/2015

pretty annoying

only on this website do i hear that man of steel wasn't good or successful. the movie was awesome, the suit was/is awesome, the score of the movie is amazing. the movie was filled with heart and action. snyder completely gave us a very original and interesting take on superman. especially where he came from. the only negative i slightly agree with was all of the destruction at the end with no consequences. now bvs is going to address that head on. what are we talking about here people?
only on this website do i hear that man of steel wasn't good or successful. the movie was awesome, the suit was/is awesome, the score of the movie is amazing. the movie was filled with heart and action. snyder completely gave us a very original and interesting take on superman. especially where he came from. the only negative i slightly agree with was all of the destruction at the end with no consequences. now bvs is going to address that head on. what are we talking about here people? it's not cool to pretend something sucks. man of steel was incredible. bvs will be off the charts good.
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4:42PM on 09/22/2015
I thought Man of Steel was a success, was it not? I loved it. They HAVE to make a sequel, how could they not make another standalone Superman film in this DC universe they're creating? I always expected there to be one.
I thought Man of Steel was a success, was it not? I loved it. They HAVE to make a sequel, how could they not make another standalone Superman film in this DC universe they're creating? I always expected there to be one.
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1:13PM on 09/22/2015

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They just fucking with us. No way should they have expected MAn of Steel to make over 1 billion the movie was solid and was a hit. THe fact is Superman had to be updated even fi it angered some it bought in new fans those who thought Clark was just a boy scout. Till this day PEople talk about Man of Steel...WB and Synder playing the keep us in the dark game or confused.
They just fucking with us. No way should they have expected MAn of Steel to make over 1 billion the movie was solid and was a hit. THe fact is Superman had to be updated even fi it angered some it bought in new fans those who thought Clark was just a boy scout. Till this day PEople talk about Man of Steel...WB and Synder playing the keep us in the dark game or confused.
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2:02PM on 09/22/2015
I agree it's absurd to think Man of Steel would've made $1 billion. But for whatever reason they decided to leap from one stand-alone movie, which had very few easter eggs hinting at a larger world, and now they threw in Batman, Wonder Woman, and Aqua Man, and that's just in the first sequel. And I don't know what to take away from that other than that maybe they didn't have faith in Superman on his own. The fact The Avengers was just the year before is a hard fact to ignore, since DC and
I agree it's absurd to think Man of Steel would've made $1 billion. But for whatever reason they decided to leap from one stand-alone movie, which had very few easter eggs hinting at a larger world, and now they threw in Batman, Wonder Woman, and Aqua Man, and that's just in the first sequel. And I don't know what to take away from that other than that maybe they didn't have faith in Superman on his own. The fact The Avengers was just the year before is a hard fact to ignore, since DC and Marvel have been the two giants of comics for a while now.
8:50PM on 09/22/2015
Aquaman won't really have much to do in BvS. I hear it's more of a cameo.
Aquaman won't really have much to do in BvS. I hear it's more of a cameo.
11:18AM on 09/23/2015
Nothing to do with the size of the role. My point is Superman could've had his story develop a little more before they brought in the cavalry. But Warner Bros. and DC are angling to be competitive with Marvel on the big screen. So instead of allowing for the character and story to play out naturally onscreen, off-screen they said, bring in Batman, because that's what the fans want.
Nothing to do with the size of the role. My point is Superman could've had his story develop a little more before they brought in the cavalry. But Warner Bros. and DC are angling to be competitive with Marvel on the big screen. So instead of allowing for the character and story to play out naturally onscreen, off-screen they said, bring in Batman, because that's what the fans want.
12:30PM on 09/22/2015

They don't know how to make a standalone movie?!!

The world of DC movies is being developed by a team that can't even get Superman right... They seem to be kicking themselves in the balls over making him "dark" because of all the backlash they got over Man of Steel. They had to throw in Batman this time to justify the "dark" tones in this movie.
The world of DC movies is being developed by a team that can't even get Superman right... They seem to be kicking themselves in the balls over making him "dark" because of all the backlash they got over Man of Steel. They had to throw in Batman this time to justify the "dark" tones in this movie.
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10:27AM on 09/22/2015
Who the hell knows... I feel were being taken by Snyders party at every turn now. Just to keep us in the dark.
Who the hell knows... I feel were being taken by Snyders party at every turn now. Just to keep us in the dark.
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7:48AM on 09/22/2015
So Superman is DC's Hulk, eh? They just don't know how to handle him. Who knows, may be, as part of a bigger group, suddenly Superman will find his place...and everyone will find new found love for the guy. As it is, Batman V Superman is much Man of Steel 2...as Captain America: Civil War, is Captain America 3..though lets face it, at least Captain America gets his name first in the title.
So Superman is DC's Hulk, eh? They just don't know how to handle him. Who knows, may be, as part of a bigger group, suddenly Superman will find his place...and everyone will find new found love for the guy. As it is, Batman V Superman is much Man of Steel 2...as Captain America: Civil War, is Captain America 3..though lets face it, at least Captain America gets his name first in the title.
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3:23AM on 09/22/2015

He said "In a way" for a reason...

Yeah, thematically this will absolutely be a MoS sequel. In fact, it'll probably be one of the more direct sequels we've seen in a long time. They're dealing directly with the events of the first film, from Superman facing criticism for his actions to Zod's corpse (hell, we even SEE the destruction of Metropolis). In Iron Man 2 we never saw any scenes about Obidiah Stane or the destruction they caused downtown or the aftermath of Tony making his announcement at the last press conference, for
Yeah, thematically this will absolutely be a MoS sequel. In fact, it'll probably be one of the more direct sequels we've seen in a long time. They're dealing directly with the events of the first film, from Superman facing criticism for his actions to Zod's corpse (hell, we even SEE the destruction of Metropolis). In Iron Man 2 we never saw any scenes about Obidiah Stane or the destruction they caused downtown or the aftermath of Tony making his announcement at the last press conference, for example. So yeah, of course this is a sequel to MoS, they just can't call it that because it has Batman in it too.
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11:52PM on 09/21/2015

I'm loved Man of Steel

I know it was a divisive film but I think it's very underrated. I just really hope we get to see a Superman movie where he takes on a great version of Brainiac.
I know it was a divisive film but I think it's very underrated. I just really hope we get to see a Superman movie where he takes on a great version of Brainiac.
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12:32AM on 09/22/2015
It's actually a good movie, though not as good as Richard Donner's first Superman movie but not as bad as Superman Returns by Bryan Singer.
It's actually a good movie, though not as good as Richard Donner's first Superman movie but not as bad as Superman Returns by Bryan Singer.
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11:31PM on 09/21/2015
Marvel:
HERE ARE ALL THE MOVIES WE PLAN TO MAKE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME, ALONG WITH EXACT RELEASE DATES. ALL THESE MOVIES AND TV SHOWS WILL BE INTERCONNECTED. IT'S ALL PLANNED OUT.

DC:
Should these two Superman movies be related? We're not sure. We want to make an Aquaman movie but we have no idea when to release it or how much money to spend on it. People like Aquaman, right?
Marvel:
HERE ARE ALL THE MOVIES WE PLAN TO MAKE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME, ALONG WITH EXACT RELEASE DATES. ALL THESE MOVIES AND TV SHOWS WILL BE INTERCONNECTED. IT'S ALL PLANNED OUT.

DC:
Should these two Superman movies be related? We're not sure. We want to make an Aquaman movie but we have no idea when to release it or how much money to spend on it. People like Aquaman, right?
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11:55PM on 09/21/2015
DC: We're doing Batman vs Superman
me: that's all I need

Marvel: but we're doing Ant-man and Doctor Strange and Pink Butterfly Man and The Scrubbing Bubbles Squad and Mutant Toenail Fungai from Outer Space for Phase 45!
me: I like Batman and Superman. Do you own the Spider-man and X-men movie rights yet?
Marvel: we're uh...working on it...
DC: We're doing Batman vs Superman
me: that's all I need

Marvel: but we're doing Ant-man and Doctor Strange and Pink Butterfly Man and The Scrubbing Bubbles Squad and Mutant Toenail Fungai from Outer Space for Phase 45!
me: I like Batman and Superman. Do you own the Spider-man and X-men movie rights yet?
Marvel: we're uh...working on it...
1:47AM on 09/22/2015
Exactly. In the same time it takes DC to release 1 movie which they feel wishy-washy about its place in the big picture, Marvel releases 4 or 5 movies, all of which firmly drive their well planned out metastory. And they do it with obscure characters that end up being some of their best films (GotG).

And yes, they did get Spider-Man back. :-)
Exactly. In the same time it takes DC to release 1 movie which they feel wishy-washy about its place in the big picture, Marvel releases 4 or 5 movies, all of which firmly drive their well planned out metastory. And they do it with obscure characters that end up being some of their best films (GotG).

And yes, they did get Spider-Man back. :-)
5:16AM on 09/22/2015
Anyone who down votes you is just mad because you are right.

Well said.
Anyone who down votes you is just mad because you are right.

Well said.
8:48PM on 09/22/2015
They don't really have Spider-man back. It's sort of a joint partnership between Sony and Marvel regarding the movie rights of the character. It's maybe the first step to reacquiring him totally for the silver screen, but still not there yet.
They don't really have Spider-man back. It's sort of a joint partnership between Sony and Marvel regarding the movie rights of the character. It's maybe the first step to reacquiring him totally for the silver screen, but still not there yet.
9:18PM on 09/22/2015
It's a joint venture, true. But it's well beyond the "working on it" stage, as you say. The actor for Spidey has been cast, and Civil War (his next appearance) is currently in production.
It's a joint venture, true. But it's well beyond the "working on it" stage, as you say. The actor for Spidey has been cast, and Civil War (his next appearance) is currently in production.
10:16PM on 09/21/2015

GIVE SUPES TO MARVEL

If they managed to generate interest in a talking tree, a raccoon with issues and a guy called Ant-Man, the big blue boyscout would be a piece of cake.
If they managed to generate interest in a talking tree, a raccoon with issues and a guy called Ant-Man, the big blue boyscout would be a piece of cake.
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9:29AM on 09/23/2015
Marvel Studios made the awful Thor 2, Iron Man2, and Avengers: Age of Awful. There track record isn't nearly as good as you think it is. All we need is for Superman to have a shirtless vision quest like Thor did for no reason.
Marvel Studios made the awful Thor 2, Iron Man2, and Avengers: Age of Awful. There track record isn't nearly as good as you think it is. All we need is for Superman to have a shirtless vision quest like Thor did for no reason.
9:53PM on 09/21/2015
I'm just worried that Superman is going to be overshadowed by Batman too much in this. I'm excited as the next fan to see a new interpretation of Batman (especially considering how badass Affleck looks in this new DCCU), but in all honesty I would have rather have seen a straight up sequel to Man of Steel to build up Clark's and also Superman's position in the world a bit more in the DCCU. I'm more of a Superman fan than I am Batman and it just sucks that the next Man of Steel film won't done
I'm just worried that Superman is going to be overshadowed by Batman too much in this. I'm excited as the next fan to see a new interpretation of Batman (especially considering how badass Affleck looks in this new DCCU), but in all honesty I would have rather have seen a straight up sequel to Man of Steel to build up Clark's and also Superman's position in the world a bit more in the DCCU. I'm more of a Superman fan than I am Batman and it just sucks that the next Man of Steel film won't done out for awhile; especially when Cavill is absolutely perfect as Superman.
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11:49PM on 09/21/2015
Even though I'm really excited for Batman V Superman, a lot of people I know have echoed pretty much exactly what you just said. The attitude from a lot of people seems to be; we love Batman and Affleck looks great as Batman, but I really would love to see more movies where Superman is the sole focus.
Even though I'm really excited for Batman V Superman, a lot of people I know have echoed pretty much exactly what you just said. The attitude from a lot of people seems to be; we love Batman and Affleck looks great as Batman, but I really would love to see more movies where Superman is the sole focus.
12:31PM on 09/23/2015
i've heard no such person outside of this website and imdb express that. Yes we agree we'd like more solo superman movies too, but no one is watching this t railer going. "oh gee, i hope we dont see batman too much"
i've heard no such person outside of this website and imdb express that. Yes we agree we'd like more solo superman movies too, but no one is watching this t railer going. "oh gee, i hope we dont see batman too much"
9:45PM on 09/21/2015
You know, one of the reasons I can't really get behind the character of Captain America, (as seen in the MCU) is because they portray him as a guy who had everything figured out from the get-go. Every single conflict and every single movie he's always on the right side morally, never a doubt within him. Why? How? Not only is it boring from a character perspective, but it doesn't make any sense. So we're just supposed to believe he's so damn perfect that he never makes a bad judgement call? He
You know, one of the reasons I can't really get behind the character of Captain America, (as seen in the MCU) is because they portray him as a guy who had everything figured out from the get-go. Every single conflict and every single movie he's always on the right side morally, never a doubt within him. Why? How? Not only is it boring from a character perspective, but it doesn't make any sense. So we're just supposed to believe he's so damn perfect that he never makes a bad judgement call? He hasn't yet and now, yet again, he will be on the righteous side with Civil War...sigh...I don't want to see a guy onscreen who has everything figured out. I want to see someone grow, struggle, and develop their code over time. Man of Steel asked all the questions you would want to ask Superman if he was a real being. How did it feel to be different while growing up around a race that was not your own? How did you fit in? How did you develop your abilities? How did you find your purpose? And here's the real kicker; Would you destroy your own kind to save your adopted race if you had no other choice? Most people said it was very un-superman for him to kill Zod, but I say no one was really man enough to put supes in that position in previous films, at least in a real consequential sense. So let's be honest, no one is really mad that supes killed zod, people are mad because Snyder and Goyer even proposed this dilemma in the first place. They would rather see Supes free from having to make choices like that, just like how Captain America just waltzes through every movie without the slightest moral conundrum.
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7:21PM on 09/21/2015
WB has no idea how to handle Superman. Is he just too simple for Hollywood egos? Everyone wants to reinvent him, and make him darker and broodier. Singer did it, and Snyder did it.

Superman should be about the triumph of the human spirit. Superman should be about unwavering morals making him seemingly weaker than he is. Superman is a lot like Dr. Who. He works best when his morals are pushed to impossible limits, and yet he finds a way. It is up to the writer to be clever enough to do this.
WB has no idea how to handle Superman. Is he just too simple for Hollywood egos? Everyone wants to reinvent him, and make him darker and broodier. Singer did it, and Snyder did it.

Superman should be about the triumph of the human spirit. Superman should be about unwavering morals making him seemingly weaker than he is. Superman is a lot like Dr. Who. He works best when his morals are pushed to impossible limits, and yet he finds a way. It is up to the writer to be clever enough to do this. It is up to the filmmaker to make the audience believe its impossible, until the hero shows us it isn't. Not finding this way out is laziness at its worse. To transform a character to suit your limited imagination is bad storytelling.
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7:50PM on 09/21/2015
I'm okay with some brooding along the way, but he has to get to who you described. So long as that's what he ends up as. I agree with you're interpritation of Superman whole heartedly.
I'm okay with some brooding along the way, but he has to get to who you described. So long as that's what he ends up as. I agree with you're interpritation of Superman whole heartedly.
9:16AM on 09/22/2015
I completely agree with you Mr. Moe. Everyone always thinks Superman is a boring character when he really doesn't have to be. The great thing about his stories are seeing this character with the power to take over the entire world, yet he always stops himself short of that based on his morals, based on how he was raised. A great story will always be something that explores that aspect of Superman. Man of Steel kind of approached this topic, but stopped itself just short of going down that
I completely agree with you Mr. Moe. Everyone always thinks Superman is a boring character when he really doesn't have to be. The great thing about his stories are seeing this character with the power to take over the entire world, yet he always stops himself short of that based on his morals, based on how he was raised. A great story will always be something that explores that aspect of Superman. Man of Steel kind of approached this topic, but stopped itself just short of going down that route for the story - which was a shame.
6:58PM on 09/21/2015
Whatever, Cavil was tops. Maybe the movie had its problems, but he is Superman for me.
Whatever, Cavil was tops. Maybe the movie had its problems, but he is Superman for me.
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6:09PM on 09/21/2015
DC has had no clue what to do with Superman for years. Every now and then a writer turns up with a great Superman idea (Grant Morrison anyone?) but that's it. I love the character and it baffles me how no one can have any idea what to do with a character as deep and ultimately complex as his. It's a bummer Batman is used to sell everything for DC. I love Batman more than any fictional character but it seems he's the only thing DC can get consistantly right these days.
DC has had no clue what to do with Superman for years. Every now and then a writer turns up with a great Superman idea (Grant Morrison anyone?) but that's it. I love the character and it baffles me how no one can have any idea what to do with a character as deep and ultimately complex as his. It's a bummer Batman is used to sell everything for DC. I love Batman more than any fictional character but it seems he's the only thing DC can get consistantly right these days.
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6:03PM on 09/21/2015
Sure it is. Just like Civil War is a Captain America film and not Avengers 2.5 But hey, as long as the movies are good, that's all that matters.
I actually think Man of Steel works better in hind-sight as a set-up for Batman vs. Superman and Justice League. But honestly I don't have much interest in a stand alone superman film based on the tone/style established with man of steel. So although I originally wanted a solo Superman trilogy, this is probably for the best.
Sure it is. Just like Civil War is a Captain America film and not Avengers 2.5 But hey, as long as the movies are good, that's all that matters.
I actually think Man of Steel works better in hind-sight as a set-up for Batman vs. Superman and Justice League. But honestly I don't have much interest in a stand alone superman film based on the tone/style established with man of steel. So although I originally wanted a solo Superman trilogy, this is probably for the best.
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5:52PM on 09/21/2015
When I first saw Man of Steel, I felt like there was a glimmer of something that could possibly be smoothed over with a well-written sequel.

Coming a year after Marvel's big success with The Avengers, which outdid WB's own The Dark Knight from a few years earlier, they wanted to have their own universe, and they wanted it now. So if Superman is so damn hard to make successful, bring in the Batman. People actually pay money to see that guy on screen. And worry about continuity later.

What
When I first saw Man of Steel, I felt like there was a glimmer of something that could possibly be smoothed over with a well-written sequel.

Coming a year after Marvel's big success with The Avengers, which outdid WB's own The Dark Knight from a few years earlier, they wanted to have their own universe, and they wanted it now. So if Superman is so damn hard to make successful, bring in the Batman. People actually pay money to see that guy on screen. And worry about continuity later.

What really annoys me is, here's Zack Snyder, a decent, if not phenomenal, director with fanboy cred, and he's been handed the keys to the kingdom. And instead of taking the time to craft a story or work out his characters (admittedly, one of his weak points in all of his movies), he's acting like the guy who just got the big promotion, and has no intention of looking back. But if Superman has his own army of followers, and he just destroyed Metropolis, shouldn't he be given his own sequel movie so we can learn to like the guy again? Instead of inevitably teaming up with Bats and fighting Lex Luthor and all is forgiven?
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5:40PM on 09/21/2015
"A straight forward sequel to Man of Sequel". Alrighty then.
"A straight forward sequel to Man of Sequel". Alrighty then.
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