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Ben Affleck comments on Zack Snyder and Internet backlash for Batman vs. Superman

Dec. 3, 2013by: Paul Shirey

While promoting the extended release of his Oscar-winning ARGO, Ben Affleck sat down with EW and discussed everything from working on David Finchers GONE GIRL to the Whitey Bulger biopic and, of course, the topic of BATMAN VS SUPERMAN. When asked what it was like to wear the batsuit for the first time, Affleck deflected the question and segued into a commentary on working with director Zack Snyder and how important his role is in making the film work.

Well, I dont want to get too far afield and Im sure Ill have time to talk about Batman down the road. What Ill say is that I really like Zack. From what Ive seen of whats Zack is doing, its made me very excited. One of the nice things about being an actor in that movie is they show you all the stuff before anyone else gets to see it. So all the sort of world-creation, and the take on the character and the other characters is really exciting. And at the end of the day, the truth is its really directors that make movies work or not especially these kinds of movies, where its about the whole world, and a rising tide lifts all ships. And if it all has integrity, if it all has a sense of realism, then it works. And if it doesnt, than it doesnt really matter what everyones doing [on the screen] because they just look like a bunch of Mexican wrestlers in suits.

Affleck was also asked about the harsh reaction from a lot of folks (particularly the Internet) when the announcement was made that he would be taking on the mantle of the Batman.

No. I mean, thats the sort of great and terrible thing about this business. Each project is kind of in its own silo, you know what I mean? You do something, it works, people say it works. And if the next one doesnt, you know, it doesnt. You dont get to start ahead because you did well last time. Without getting into the vagaries of the internet and whos sort of out there being vocal about it, at the end of the day, when you get into the arena of those kinds of movies, these superhero movies, particularly ones that are working with characters that everyones known for so long, everybodys got these strongly held opinions and preconceived ideas about what it should be. I totally understand and recognize that. At the same time, I dont think projections about something that hasnt happened yet are all that meaningful. I think at the end of the day, its like any other movie or project: You go out and make it great, people will say its great. If you go out and miss, youll hear about it. The stuff beforehand is kind of just the noise that happens.

Some pretty seasoned responses from Affleck and what Id expect from someone who has played the game as long as he has. Of course, everyone is playing the hush-hush game for now, which is expected, and I think Affleck comes off as poised about the general nature of comic book films and what makes them work. After DAREDEVIL he certainly knows what makes them NOT work.

BATMAN VS SUPERMAN hits theaters on July 17, 2015.

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8:24AM on 12/06/2013
What we should take away from this is that the Batman suit makes him feel like a Mexican wrestler.
What we should take away from this is that the Batman suit makes him feel like a Mexican wrestler.
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7:04PM on 12/04/2013
DC is just cramming too much and trying so hard to be Marvel. Hate to see a comic book company really come off this desperate with this upcoming film. Yeah Green Lantern wasn't a success and Nolan made the Batman huge again. Yeah, Man of Steel split it's audience. (it was alright, felt it was too rushed in the middle.) But DC needs to not come off desperate. You don't see Darkhorse pulling the same shit you all are doing.
DC is just cramming too much and trying so hard to be Marvel. Hate to see a comic book company really come off this desperate with this upcoming film. Yeah Green Lantern wasn't a success and Nolan made the Batman huge again. Yeah, Man of Steel split it's audience. (it was alright, felt it was too rushed in the middle.) But DC needs to not come off desperate. You don't see Darkhorse pulling the same shit you all are doing.
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6:08PM on 12/04/2013

Ben its not you...

Okay SOME of it is. I mean, I really can't take you seriously after Daredevil in regards to a superhero. Maybe you just need a chance, I don't know...but I don't think you'll find it here. I mean, did you see what they did to Man of Steel? They tried to copy Nolan's run by lifting important occurrences from the comics and mishmashing them into the film...but they rushed it...bad. Superman for All Seasons, All Star, Death of, hell even Dark Knight Returns was there....all squeezed into a weird
Okay SOME of it is. I mean, I really can't take you seriously after Daredevil in regards to a superhero. Maybe you just need a chance, I don't know...but I don't think you'll find it here. I mean, did you see what they did to Man of Steel? They tried to copy Nolan's run by lifting important occurrences from the comics and mishmashing them into the film...but they rushed it...bad. Superman for All Seasons, All Star, Death of, hell even Dark Knight Returns was there....all squeezed into a weird remake of Superman 2. I mean, maybe they DID want to make that scene they filmed with action figures look awesome, but it was the same damn plot...its like they didn't even try for something new, just...sprinkled with fan service. And they are doing it again, sir. Remember, Batman never outright killed anyone in his last run...Superman did (did he forget he could fly? I'm serious). It wasn't a well put together film, but they made us remember that when the chips are down this Superman is ruthless as fuck...so where does Batman fit in, ask it? Have you read Kingdom Come sir? Do you see what they are doing? They are attempting to create an arc between Old Man Bruce and Superman that worked so well because of a long history...something this film will stumble in an attempt to weld into the film. Batman is older, hates Dick, uses Batdrones...they missed what made this partnership great....the man and the god. The one who had a bad childhood common to terms with the one who had the corn fed one. Polar opposites seeing the world through a combined perspective that deep down they both agreed with. I just don't see you being able to fit into a world where Batman is more hardened then this New 52 bastardization of Superman...you are a good actor, a better director, but I just can't see you holding your own against him. It's like teaming up Jonah Hill with Charles Bronson, sir, we already know who will win.
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4:57PM on 12/04/2013
Sorry, but the comment that directors make the movie work, and the mexican wrestler comment both show that Affleck AND Synder have neither the respect for nor the understanding of comic book characters and how they would work in a live action movie. Without the writer, the director wouldn't know his ass from his elbow on what to shoot. Throw in the DP and the editor, and then you have how the film looks and the timing of it all. So while the director's job is important, if they don't how to
Sorry, but the comment that directors make the movie work, and the mexican wrestler comment both show that Affleck AND Synder have neither the respect for nor the understanding of comic book characters and how they would work in a live action movie. Without the writer, the director wouldn't know his ass from his elbow on what to shoot. Throw in the DP and the editor, and then you have how the film looks and the timing of it all. So while the director's job is important, if they don't how to utilize the people working around them, the end product winds up looking like shit (See "Sucker Punch" for reference) and makes as much sense as a soup sandwich.

This is why Warner Bros. comic book movies (other than Batman) aren't working. Too many people on board that don't respect the source material, and want to give it their own shitty spin when they obviously don't have any of the knowledge to fuck with 75 years of back story.
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1:31AM on 12/04/2013
The toughest thing is following up Nolan. His Batman trilogy was so fantastic and well done. Snyder has done some decent comic stuff, but following up Nolan with Batman? My biggest hope is that Batman in the new Superman movie will be a side character, someone we see in a couple of scenes, but doesn't have a major presence. I felt like Man of Steel was a decent film, but Batman is sort of sacred now as far as comic book films go, so this combination of Snyder and Affleck tackling him is a
The toughest thing is following up Nolan. His Batman trilogy was so fantastic and well done. Snyder has done some decent comic stuff, but following up Nolan with Batman? My biggest hope is that Batman in the new Superman movie will be a side character, someone we see in a couple of scenes, but doesn't have a major presence. I felt like Man of Steel was a decent film, but Batman is sort of sacred now as far as comic book films go, so this combination of Snyder and Affleck tackling him is a little uneasy for me. I am curious to know who chose Affleck anyway. It's an odd casting choice imo.
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11:54PM on 12/03/2013

HOLY CRAP!!

wait, Ben Affleck is seriously playing Batman? i'm just now hearing of this. obviously he's gonna suck. Batman is a badass, how the hell is Gigli gonna be badass? or was Jennifer Lopez Gigli? what the fuck is a Gigli anyways?
wait, Ben Affleck is seriously playing Batman? i'm just now hearing of this. obviously he's gonna suck. Batman is a badass, how the hell is Gigli gonna be badass? or was Jennifer Lopez Gigli? what the fuck is a Gigli anyways?
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11:32PM on 12/03/2013

D:

This seems like a dream gig for him. Just because The Town and Argo were pretty good films, he's no Marlon Brando and has not made any movies with memorable characters.
This seems like a dream gig for him. Just because The Town and Argo were pretty good films, he's no Marlon Brando and has not made any movies with memorable characters.
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1:30AM on 12/04/2013
He "has not made any movies with memorable characters."

The Company Men, Argo, Extract, Smoking Aces, Hollywoodland, Gigli (not good, but certainly memorable), Daredevil (again never said good), The Sum of all Fears, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Boiler Room, Dogma, Shakespeare in Love, Good Will Hunting, Mallrats, Dazed and Confused, and (let's not forget the best retroactive cameo of all) Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

But your right, he is thoroughly forgettable actor who has managed to
He "has not made any movies with memorable characters."

The Company Men, Argo, Extract, Smoking Aces, Hollywoodland, Gigli (not good, but certainly memorable), Daredevil (again never said good), The Sum of all Fears, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Boiler Room, Dogma, Shakespeare in Love, Good Will Hunting, Mallrats, Dazed and Confused, and (let's not forget the best retroactive cameo of all) Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

But your right, he is thoroughly forgettable actor who has managed to work for over 30 years in a brutal business. And the next Batman film would be a much more entertaining flick with Marlon Brando in it.
7:17AM on 12/04/2013
This seems like a gig that convinced him because of the sound of the dump truck filled with money backing up to his house. He's not as successful or as memorable as you, but he does have a kinda-sorta film career going on. I think he even won an award or two last year.
This seems like a gig that convinced him because of the sound of the dump truck filled with money backing up to his house. He's not as successful or as memorable as you, but he does have a kinda-sorta film career going on. I think he even won an award or two last year.
9:40AM on 12/04/2013
The Company Men, Argo, Extract, Smoking Aces, Hollywoodland, Gigli (not good, but certainly memorable), Daredevil (again never said good), The Sum of all Fears, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Boiler Room, Dogma, Shakespeare in Love, Good Will Hunting, Mallrats, Dazed and Confused, and (let's not forget the best retroactive cameo of all) Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
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You put Jay and Silent Bob Strike back in this list? Gigli? LOL All terrible">
The Company Men, Argo, Extract, Smoking Aces, Hollywoodland, Gigli (not good, but certainly memorable), Daredevil (again never said good), The Sum of all Fears, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Boiler Room, Dogma, Shakespeare in Love, Good Will Hunting, Mallrats, Dazed and Confused, and (let's not forget the best retroactive cameo of all) Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
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You put Jay and Silent Bob Strike back in this list? Gigli? LOL All terrible movies. Nobody watches Dazed and Confused and says, "WOW, that Ben Affleck was the shit in Dazed and Confused!" If you do, you miss the point. You also don't realized why the Nolan movies were so great.

"I think he even won an award or two last year." Sure, because all Oscar winners only do great films as soon as they win Oscars. Do you forget how many shitty movies this guy has done? NOOooOOooOOOooOOOooo.
9:03PM on 12/03/2013
That's a very level-headed, well thought-out response from Ben. I remember that years back he said that people seem to equate Matt Damon with his character in Good Will Hunting and Ben with his; meaning Ben's seen as the well-meaning but lunkheaded one. I actually think he's an intelligent guy and I'm confident he'll be able to handle the Batman character competently. It definitely will not please everyone, but upon hearing of his casting, my first reaction was "that's out of left field, I wish
That's a very level-headed, well thought-out response from Ben. I remember that years back he said that people seem to equate Matt Damon with his character in Good Will Hunting and Ben with his; meaning Ben's seen as the well-meaning but lunkheaded one. I actually think he's an intelligent guy and I'm confident he'll be able to handle the Batman character competently. It definitely will not please everyone, but upon hearing of his casting, my first reaction was "that's out of left field, I wish it was Jim Caviezel", my second being "well, let's see what he brings to the table."
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6:16PM on 12/03/2013

I FOUND THE NEW LEX LUTHOR!!!!

I don't normally post off topic but does anybody know who Josh Blacker is, just saw his bald ass on Almost Human tonight and he is perfect. Smug, Arrogant, Smart, Ruthless. I want my finders fee!
I don't normally post off topic but does anybody know who Josh Blacker is, just saw his bald ass on Almost Human tonight and he is perfect. Smug, Arrogant, Smart, Ruthless. I want my finders fee!
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5:28PM on 12/03/2013
I truly believe the bulk of the backlash came from people who didn't know (or believe) that Bale was leaving the role, even though he and Nolan were honest and upfront about that fact since before they started filming TDKR. The Affleck news was so huge a lot of friends and co-workers who don't follow movie sites like JoBlo were shocked and asked me things like, "So Bale's leaving? What the hell?! Was he fired?" and I had to explain that no, it was his choice to leave. People who loved The Town
I truly believe the bulk of the backlash came from people who didn't know (or believe) that Bale was leaving the role, even though he and Nolan were honest and upfront about that fact since before they started filming TDKR. The Affleck news was so huge a lot of friends and co-workers who don't follow movie sites like JoBlo were shocked and asked me things like, "So Bale's leaving? What the hell?! Was he fired?" and I had to explain that no, it was his choice to leave. People who loved The Town and Argo were pissed about Affleck coming on board, even though they were rooting for him to win the Best Picture Oscar just earlier this year. In the months since, the Affleck rage has cooled a bit and ultimately he'll be accepted in the role - if he delivers, and I think he's more than capable of doing so.
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12:34AM on 12/04/2013
I think a lot of it has to do with people lacking the imagination to see anyone else in a defined role. I know the Ledger parallels have been done to death but I remember arguing with people that wanted Nicholson to reprise the role simply because they liked what they saw once and it still worked in their mind. Same with Bale as Bats. People were comfortable with his portrayal, bat-growl not withstanding, and couldn't see anyone but him in the suit.

I think the main problem with Affleck is
I think a lot of it has to do with people lacking the imagination to see anyone else in a defined role. I know the Ledger parallels have been done to death but I remember arguing with people that wanted Nicholson to reprise the role simply because they liked what they saw once and it still worked in their mind. Same with Bale as Bats. People were comfortable with his portrayal, bat-growl not withstanding, and couldn't see anyone but him in the suit.

I think the main problem with Affleck is the unfortunate baggage he brings with him to the audiences perception, and the constant web based crucifixion he receives for movies and mistakes he made over a decade ago.

I was solidly in the Josh Brolin camp out of those who were named, even though I've thought that Firefly/Serenity's Sean Maher would have made a damn fine Batman in his own right, Affleck will do a decent job if his performance in The Town (among a few others) was a sign of things to come from him.
4:56PM on 12/03/2013
I never thought he was the problem with Daredevil. Daredevil had a lot of problems, but I don't believe Affleck was one of them. He was just the biggest, easiest target.
I never thought he was the problem with Daredevil. Daredevil had a lot of problems, but I don't believe Affleck was one of them. He was just the biggest, easiest target.
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12:37AM on 12/04/2013
I know right. That argument should have been resolved when Mark Steven Johnson made the first Ghost Rider.
I know right. That argument should have been resolved when Mark Steven Johnson made the first Ghost Rider.
5:37AM on 12/04/2013
Still in my top 10 fav comicbook movies ever. Both versions were dope. The only complaint I had was they tried to pack all the coolest things about daredevil in one movie and because of that each one those things didn't get a chance to flesh out. But if you look at it like its the only daredevil movie that will ever be made then maybe that's not such a bad thing.
Still in my top 10 fav comicbook movies ever. Both versions were dope. The only complaint I had was they tried to pack all the coolest things about daredevil in one movie and because of that each one those things didn't get a chance to flesh out. But if you look at it like its the only daredevil movie that will ever be made then maybe that's not such a bad thing.
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3:44PM on 12/03/2013

You go Ben!

Unfortunately, my doubt for this movie has never been about Ben's casting. It's been Goyer's terrible writing.
Unfortunately, my doubt for this movie has never been about Ben's casting. It's been Goyer's terrible writing.
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3:23PM on 12/03/2013

Oh Ben!

Haha! You dated Hennifer Lopez. She loves tacos and burritos!
Haha! You dated Hennifer Lopez. She loves tacos and burritos!
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3:09PM on 12/03/2013
This guys taken so much shit over the years so much so that do you think some fanboys complaints are going to phase him?
This guys taken so much shit over the years so much so that do you think some fanboys complaints are going to phase him?
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3:54PM on 12/03/2013
I guess when you suck as hard as Ben Affleck you get used to people calling you a hack. But god bless Affleck, he sure isn't going to let the lack of talent hold him back from making millions of dollars by reading lines in front of a camera.
I guess when you suck as hard as Ben Affleck you get used to people calling you a hack. But god bless Affleck, he sure isn't going to let the lack of talent hold him back from making millions of dollars by reading lines in front of a camera.
3:08PM on 12/03/2013

That was a class act of a respone

I'll reserve judgement until i've seen the movie
I'll reserve judgement until i've seen the movie
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3:01PM on 12/03/2013
2015 is too damn far... but I can wait.
2015 is too damn far... but I can wait.
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2:22PM on 12/03/2013
Affleck is going to make for a great Bruce Wayne/Batman and I can't wait to see him prove the doubters wrong. I'll be rooting for him.
Affleck is going to make for a great Bruce Wayne/Batman and I can't wait to see him prove the doubters wrong. I'll be rooting for him.
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2:19PM on 12/03/2013
sigh. The backlash on his signing up to be Batman is so childish. Who the heck knows how it's gonna turn out? This isn't some throw-away movie. I imagine everyone involved is gonna put their heart and soul into making the film great. But then again. I don't know two shits either. We'll find out now won't we?
sigh. The backlash on his signing up to be Batman is so childish. Who the heck knows how it's gonna turn out? This isn't some throw-away movie. I imagine everyone involved is gonna put their heart and soul into making the film great. But then again. I don't know two shits either. We'll find out now won't we?
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2:15PM on 12/03/2013
So, he is saying that if he sucks then it is Snyder's fault.
So, he is saying that if he sucks then it is Snyder's fault.
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