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Ben Affleck's Batman will be "tired, and kind of weary and seasoned"

Sep. 13, 2013by: Jesse Giroux

At a conference yesterday (no, not this one but it was held in the same building) Warner Bros. CEO Kevin Tsujihara was bragging about the company's new plans with Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling, but he also made some comments about Ben Affleck as Batman in the still untitled sequel to MAN OF STEEL.

THR reports that Tsujihara thinks Ben Affleck is "perfect" for the part and said the character will be "tired, and kind of weary and seasoned," which is similar to how he was described when the announcement was first made about Affleck as the new Batman. He goes on to say that Ben Affleck will fit in very well with what returning director Zack Snyder has planned for the character:

"Ben is perfect for the vision Zack has for that character. The fact that you saw such a passionate response in the blogosphere is really kind of a testament to the love that people have for this character."

"Passionate response" is certainly one way of putting it. Kevin Tsujihara also says there are more DC superhero related announcements that will be made in the upcoming month for video games, consumer products, television and film. Of course the one I care about the most will be the film announcements, and I wonder if it'll be casting news for BATMAN/SUPERMAN or maybe something brand new. Any guesses?

The BATMAN/SUPERMAN film is scheduled to be in theaters on July 17th, 2015.

Extra Tidbit: Who else from Gotham City do you think we'll see in BATMAN/SUPERMAN?
Source: THR

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3:20PM on 09/16/2013

All I Have To Say Is...

"Assumption, is the MotherF@#ker of all F@#k-ups!"

Let the man do his thing.
"Assumption, is the MotherF@#ker of all F@#k-ups!"

Let the man do his thing.
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4:36PM on 09/15/2013
Ben Affleck is the perfect Bruce Wayne, because no one considers he could ever be the Batman
Ben Affleck is the perfect Bruce Wayne, because no one considers he could ever be the Batman
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8:47PM on 09/15/2013
That was hysterical the first 50 times other people posted that.
That was hysterical the first 50 times other people posted that.
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1:09PM on 09/14/2013

I have my reservations

but hey we wont know how good or how bad he is until it hits the screen.
but hey we wont know how good or how bad he is until it hits the screen.
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7:07PM on 09/13/2013

c|:^{D~

We'll see...
We'll see...
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6:42PM on 09/13/2013
I really do not get people who defend Affleck. Affleck isn't exactly a question mark like with Ledger & Keaton because they had never played those kinds of roles before. Affleck has already played the exact same role as Batman with Daredevil. Read old interviews with Affleck, and he talks about how he played Daredevil as a dark, brooding, & tortured soul. And Daredevil isn't even the only character he tried to play like that, and every time he attempted this type of character he fucked it up.
I really do not get people who defend Affleck. Affleck isn't exactly a question mark like with Ledger & Keaton because they had never played those kinds of roles before. Affleck has already played the exact same role as Batman with Daredevil. Read old interviews with Affleck, and he talks about how he played Daredevil as a dark, brooding, & tortured soul. And Daredevil isn't even the only character he tried to play like that, and every time he attempted this type of character he fucked it up. He has been nominated for 5 razzies & won worst actor for his Batman-like character, Daredevil. And people can point out that somehow 10 years can miraculously turn a bad actor into a good actor, yet when I watch the latest trailer for Runner, Runner all I see is Affleck's horrendous & laughable performance in it. He hasn't improved that much from the looks of it. The only films he can even make himself work in are the ones he makes himself, and tailor fits the role to his severe limitations as an actor.
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7:10PM on 09/13/2013
He he ha ha ho... And I thought my jokes were bad.

Are you really saying an actor can't change?
If so...
How do you explain Matthew McConaughey?
He he ha ha ho... And I thought my jokes were bad.

Are you really saying an actor can't change?
If so...
How do you explain Matthew McConaughey?
7:32PM on 09/13/2013
Explain Matthew McConaughey? Are you serious? McConaughey has always been a very solid actor from the beginning. Even in that shitty Texas Chainsaw Massacre flick he managed to be the most entertaining thing in it (and the only reason I was able to finish the movie). I've been a fan of his ever since the 90's.

McConaughey owned in Dazed & Confused, where as in that same movie Affleck gave a very poor & generic performance.

Sure McConaughey has made quite a few bad movies, but even in
Explain Matthew McConaughey? Are you serious? McConaughey has always been a very solid actor from the beginning. Even in that shitty Texas Chainsaw Massacre flick he managed to be the most entertaining thing in it (and the only reason I was able to finish the movie). I've been a fan of his ever since the 90's.

McConaughey owned in Dazed & Confused, where as in that same movie Affleck gave a very poor & generic performance.

Sure McConaughey has made quite a few bad movies, but even in his worst films McConaughey delivers on his part. He has always had far more talent in his little finger than Affleck has had in 20+ years of acting.
9:59PM on 09/13/2013
Play Batman? Who the fuck plays Batman? there is nothing to play there kid, all you have to do is walk around in a cool ass costume. I'm sure any of us could put that costume on (if it fits) and we would do fine. I'm sure its not hard to act like a bad ass in that costume. What you need to ask is "can he play Bruce Wayne" that answer is YES he can. Hell bale pulled off playing a weird Euro looking Bruce Wayne with a giant wart on his eye (look at the movie it's there) and everyone was ok with
Play Batman? Who the fuck plays Batman? there is nothing to play there kid, all you have to do is walk around in a cool ass costume. I'm sure any of us could put that costume on (if it fits) and we would do fine. I'm sure its not hard to act like a bad ass in that costume. What you need to ask is "can he play Bruce Wayne" that answer is YES he can. Hell bale pulled off playing a weird Euro looking Bruce Wayne with a giant wart on his eye (look at the movie it's there) and everyone was ok with it. Keaton looked like his Wayne walked off the set of Full House and everyone was ok with that right?? Ben will do just fine if anyone can pull it off I'm sure he can. What, did you think Brolin would do better? I could just see him look at Clark with that dumb look on his face, after Clark calls him Bruce, and say......wait for it......"How do you know my name?" lol! Real good choice for Batman! After all he did soooo well as Jonah Hex right?? And for god's sake stop bringing up the DD movie! That was a fucking mess from start to finish and it was not all Affleck's fault. he was not that bad in that movie plus he has matured a hell of a lot since.
10:04PM on 09/13/2013
@ Silverload: Don't even bother with this argument, dude. I've tried explaining this a dozen times and it always attracts the so-called optimists and their "what about Ledger / Keaton / some other underrated actor" comeback. As for me, I still hate the fact that Affleck is Batman. I don't think the man has range or the stuff to pull off Batman, let alone a "tired, weary" Batman. He's a great director, and can do those Boston roles, but that's about it. Trying to turn this into some sort of
@ Silverload: Don't even bother with this argument, dude. I've tried explaining this a dozen times and it always attracts the so-called optimists and their "what about Ledger / Keaton / some other underrated actor" comeback. As for me, I still hate the fact that Affleck is Batman. I don't think the man has range or the stuff to pull off Batman, let alone a "tired, weary" Batman. He's a great director, and can do those Boston roles, but that's about it. Trying to turn this into some sort of inspirational casting choice is naivety on the fans part and complete BS on the studio's.
10:30PM on 09/13/2013
@manos

WTF are you smoking? I'll pretend for the moment that your post is coherent.

First of all, you obviously don't understand Batman. You don't seem to understand that Batman is a character. Batman is the true character to play, and this is where the movies kind of fuck up. Bruce Wayne is just a mask that Batman wears. Whenever Wayne is not in public view, he is always the Batman persona (in & out of costume). Wayne died with his parents. In a way he is kind of like Dexter.

Also,
@manos

WTF are you smoking? I'll pretend for the moment that your post is coherent.

First of all, you obviously don't understand Batman. You don't seem to understand that Batman is a character. Batman is the true character to play, and this is where the movies kind of fuck up. Bruce Wayne is just a mask that Batman wears. Whenever Wayne is not in public view, he is always the Batman persona (in & out of costume). Wayne died with his parents. In a way he is kind of like Dexter.

Also, you sound like you want this movie to be so good so bad that you'll just stick you head in the sand and ignore the obvious. A lot of people did the same thing when Affleck was cast as Daredevil. And don't bring up Daredevil? Why? Daredevil = Marvel's Batman. It's the exact same damn role. A good actor is still a good actor regardless of how bad the movie around him is. Affleck's performance in that was one of the worst performances I have ever seen. You say he was fine, but not only did many reviews claim that his performance alone helped kill that movie, but he won the "Worst Actor" razzie award for it. And you say he has matured? WTF does that even mean? Acting is a talent. If you don't have it, then you don't have it. No one is going to "mature into it". Affleck's latest film, "Runner, Runner", is proof of that. He is just as bad in 'Runner, Runner' as he was in Pearl Harbor, Daredevil, Gigli, and hell, nearly his entire filmography.

If you want to believe that Affleck is going to be a good Batman, and ignore the obvious & make excuses for him, go ahead. I want to believe that Uwe Boll will direct an Oscar worthy video game movie, all of his previous horrible movies weren't his fault, he's mature now.
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4:54PM on 09/13/2013
Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms yo!
Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms yo!
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3:14PM on 09/13/2013

The only thing that worries me........

is the fact that they described the Daredevil character the exact same way. I specifically remember in an interview with Ben when that movie came out and they asked him how he portrayed "The Man Without Fear" and I swear he said that Matt Murdock is "tired and weary". Remember the scenes when he would take off his suit and he looked all bruised up then he was back in the courtroom the next scene, and Joe Pantoliano would tell him he needs some sleep.
is the fact that they described the Daredevil character the exact same way. I specifically remember in an interview with Ben when that movie came out and they asked him how he portrayed "The Man Without Fear" and I swear he said that Matt Murdock is "tired and weary". Remember the scenes when he would take off his suit and he looked all bruised up then he was back in the courtroom the next scene, and Joe Pantoliano would tell him he needs some sleep.
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3:04PM on 09/13/2013

Oh by the way

that doesnt mean i liked bale as batman, so in that view i dont mind he's batman no more
that doesnt mean i liked bale as batman, so in that view i dont mind he's batman no more
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3:01PM on 09/13/2013

Its all Nolan's fault

if he added some more fantasy in his batman movies and didnt try to make it as realistic as he could there would be zero problem to blend his movies with the new superman, and Bale(after paying him 100 million dollars) could still play Batsy. Btw Batman and fantasy belong together in my opinion.
if he added some more fantasy in his batman movies and didnt try to make it as realistic as he could there would be zero problem to blend his movies with the new superman, and Bale(after paying him 100 million dollars) could still play Batsy. Btw Batman and fantasy belong together in my opinion.
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2:49PM on 09/13/2013

COOL...

Still cannot wait for this. I've got faith in it. I'm gonna see this when it's released in theaters. LONG LIVE THE BATMAN!!
Still cannot wait for this. I've got faith in it. I'm gonna see this when it's released in theaters. LONG LIVE THE BATMAN!!
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1:57PM on 09/13/2013
Yawn. Wake me up when Affleck wins yet another razzie in 2015.
Yawn. Wake me up when Affleck wins yet another razzie in 2015.
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12:54PM on 09/13/2013
I'm guessing Affleck's Batman won't be nearly as tired as Goyer's script though.
I'm guessing Affleck's Batman won't be nearly as tired as Goyer's script though.
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2:08PM on 09/13/2013
zing.
zing.
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12:42PM on 09/13/2013
I do not get all the hate for Affleck as Batman. I swear all of you that are bashing him will be eating your words when Batman/Superman is released. And all of you who are giving negative comments to this news, you'r clearly doing it because you just want to feed your fire for hating on Affleck. Not one of you have been able to come up with a rational point for why this is a bad direction to take Batman. Why do we need another origin story, audiences are familiar enough who and what Batman
I do not get all the hate for Affleck as Batman. I swear all of you that are bashing him will be eating your words when Batman/Superman is released. And all of you who are giving negative comments to this news, you'r clearly doing it because you just want to feed your fire for hating on Affleck. Not one of you have been able to come up with a rational point for why this is a bad direction to take Batman. Why do we need another origin story, audiences are familiar enough who and what Batman is, we can get into the meat of the story. This is a great and creative way to introduce Batman into the potential DC Cinematic universe. I am looking forward to this movie, to seeing Affleck's portrayal of Batman/Bruce Wayne, and especially a different yet inspired characterization of Batman.
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3:34PM on 09/13/2013
It's called Footinmoutharitis. Whenever a big casting happens such as Batman or the Joker or James Bond or Iron Man or Catwoman, even, the condition suddenly seems to spread like wildfire.
It's called Footinmoutharitis. Whenever a big casting happens such as Batman or the Joker or James Bond or Iron Man or Catwoman, even, the condition suddenly seems to spread like wildfire.
12:31PM on 09/13/2013
Last time around, it took Batman three movies to reach superhero retirement. This time around, he's near the end in the very "first" movie. Well done, everyone. Great idea.
Last time around, it took Batman three movies to reach superhero retirement. This time around, he's near the end in the very "first" movie. Well done, everyone. Great idea.
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12:35PM on 09/13/2013
Yea, that is a great idea.
Yea, that is a great idea.
1:12PM on 09/13/2013
If that's a great idea, it will be a first for both Snyder and Goyer. They're not in the habit of having them.
If that's a great idea, it will be a first for both Snyder and Goyer. They're not in the habit of having them.
10:29PM on 09/13/2013
That's exactly how it was originally written and Snyder said it was the basis for the new movie. In the Batman vs. Superman story, Bruce is 55 years old.
That's exactly how it was originally written and Snyder said it was the basis for the new movie. In the Batman vs. Superman story, Bruce is 55 years old.
12:11PM on 09/13/2013
I think Ben is a good choice to play Batman. Interesting he's played Daredevil, and now he's playing Batman. So I'm not up on what's going on. Are there two movies he's playing Batman in? The Batman/Superman movie, and the Sequel to Superman. Are those the same movie? I wonder if he will also play Batman in a stand alone Batman movie?
I think Ben is a good choice to play Batman. Interesting he's played Daredevil, and now he's playing Batman. So I'm not up on what's going on. Are there two movies he's playing Batman in? The Batman/Superman movie, and the Sequel to Superman. Are those the same movie? I wonder if he will also play Batman in a stand alone Batman movie?
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11:47AM on 09/13/2013
They already did warn, tired and weary with TDKR and sort of TDK whining about about "Oh I can retire, I won't be batman forever and then what's her name will love me again".
I don't mind the idea of "seasoned" but how will they explain the world knowing Batman is around post MOS?
Whatever. See it when it comes out
They already did warn, tired and weary with TDKR and sort of TDK whining about about "Oh I can retire, I won't be batman forever and then what's her name will love me again".
I don't mind the idea of "seasoned" but how will they explain the world knowing Batman is around post MOS?
Whatever. See it when it comes out
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10:35PM on 09/13/2013
Considering none of the movie took place in Gotham, I think it will be very easy to explain Batman's absence. The satellite that Clark and Zod crashed into had a Wayne Enterprises logo on it, so Bruce definitely has a presence in this universe.
Considering none of the movie took place in Gotham, I think it will be very easy to explain Batman's absence. The satellite that Clark and Zod crashed into had a Wayne Enterprises logo on it, so Bruce definitely has a presence in this universe.
11:43AM on 09/13/2013

Wrong Way, Warner.

As much as I respect Miller's contributions to pop-culture, I've never liked his take on Batman and knowing that they're going with his "old, weary, tired" version really bums me out. Miller's Batman is more of a grizzled, angry sociopath. I'd much rather they get Bruce Timm's advice and give us a Batman who's in his prime. That would build an awesome dynamic with Superman. Also, this is why DC will never be as good as Marvel. There's no build-up to this Batman. This "tired and weary" Batman
As much as I respect Miller's contributions to pop-culture, I've never liked his take on Batman and knowing that they're going with his "old, weary, tired" version really bums me out. Miller's Batman is more of a grizzled, angry sociopath. I'd much rather they get Bruce Timm's advice and give us a Batman who's in his prime. That would build an awesome dynamic with Superman. Also, this is why DC will never be as good as Marvel. There's no build-up to this Batman. This "tired and weary" Batman can show up in later installments, years from now, as a cool way to show that Batman is only human and ages, while Superman is forever in his prime. This is like Marvel making the Civil War before The Avengers. It just doesn't work as much as it should.
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12:39PM on 09/13/2013
It works because they're bringing in a brand new Batman franchise on the heels of wrapping up their previous Batman franchise with Nolan. They don't need to do a whole origin story and build up, we as the audience are already familiar with who and what Batman is. This way they can just introduce the character and get into the meat of the story.
It works because they're bringing in a brand new Batman franchise on the heels of wrapping up their previous Batman franchise with Nolan. They don't need to do a whole origin story and build up, we as the audience are already familiar with who and what Batman is. This way they can just introduce the character and get into the meat of the story.
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11:20AM on 09/13/2013

This news...

...is tired and weary.
Signed, Team Brolin
...is tired and weary.
Signed, Team Brolin
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11:11AM on 09/13/2013

tired and weary?

I'm really starting to come around to the idea of Affleck as Batman. However, where does Batman go from here? Affleck is signed on for numerous Batman films. If he is tired and weary now whats gonna happen down the road for future Batman films? Is he just gonna get a second wind? Is Bruce Wayne gonna build a new suit that can withstand his fatigue? the latter is very possible.....Just a concerned fan, thats all.
I'm really starting to come around to the idea of Affleck as Batman. However, where does Batman go from here? Affleck is signed on for numerous Batman films. If he is tired and weary now whats gonna happen down the road for future Batman films? Is he just gonna get a second wind? Is Bruce Wayne gonna build a new suit that can withstand his fatigue? the latter is very possible.....Just a concerned fan, thats all.
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11:30AM on 09/13/2013
Agreed... But I think by "tired and weary" they don't mean physically. At this point, he's been Batman for as long or longer than he has not... I'd think his resolve to make the world a better place has been weathered by day after day, year after year of doing everything he can, and yet, nothing seems to change. It always seems to wind up back where it started and then falls on him to fix it again. Sure, with age, he's not going to be the Batman he was as he was younger, but I'm thinking the
Agreed... But I think by "tired and weary" they don't mean physically. At this point, he's been Batman for as long or longer than he has not... I'd think his resolve to make the world a better place has been weathered by day after day, year after year of doing everything he can, and yet, nothing seems to change. It always seems to wind up back where it started and then falls on him to fix it again. Sure, with age, he's not going to be the Batman he was as he was younger, but I'm thinking the mental and emotional wear on him will outweigh the physical. As for future films, I think that with Superman, he'll either feel a great weight lifted by a like-minded hero, or he'll actually have a great weight lifted with Superman taking on some of the load himself. Who knows... But I think you're right to be concerned.
11:01AM on 09/13/2013
As some recent flicks have shown, a movie can be good, make money, be widely accepted by moviegoers worldwide & STILL incur the wrath of the infamous fanboy. Even if Affleck nails Bats to a tee & the flick makes Avengers money, it'll still catch flack from Affleck haters & fanboys. A lot of people seem to have very short memories. How much backlash did Nolan get when fans found out he was grounding Batman in reality instead of a comic book world? How much backlash was there for Ledger as Joker?
As some recent flicks have shown, a movie can be good, make money, be widely accepted by moviegoers worldwide & STILL incur the wrath of the infamous fanboy. Even if Affleck nails Bats to a tee & the flick makes Avengers money, it'll still catch flack from Affleck haters & fanboys. A lot of people seem to have very short memories. How much backlash did Nolan get when fans found out he was grounding Batman in reality instead of a comic book world? How much backlash was there for Ledger as Joker? Remember the backlash for casting Hugh Jackman as Wolverine? How about fans getting a bit upset that Cavill was cast as Superman because he wasn't American? Daniel Craig as James Bond? What about Iron Man 3 differing from the source material? It still made a crap ton of money & was accepted by moviegoers. I personally like the plot twist. It's not about sticking as close as you can to the source material. It's about making a good movie. Which means adapting the source material for the big screen. Sometimes it means changing things up so that you can keep both new fans & fans of the source material inerested. Just like what they do with the Walking Dead. I have read & own the graphic novels & probably wouldn't even watch the show if I knew how each episode was going to turn out. Granted, I was looking forward to seeing Kingsley as the Mandarin, but that twist took me completely by surprise. A feat far too few flicks can do to me. Regardless, Affleck will catch hell. Personally I like what Snyder has in store & this style of Batman. I also think Affleck is going to surprise everyone. With an older Bats it eliminates another origin story & when he gets the 1st solo flick hopefully we'll also get some established villains & dodge another origin story. Bottom line is that Warner Bros., Snyder & Affleck all know the reality: if they screw this up, the DC cinematic universe is dead for at least 5-10 years & they have no hopes of ever competing with Marvel for all of that box office dough.
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11:10AM on 09/13/2013
And there was people just like you back when Affleck as cast as Daredevil. Back then people were bringing up Micheal Keaton's backlash (among others), and telling us how much Affleck has grown as an actor, and how much he is going to surprise us with Daredevil. And boy did Affleck surprise everyone with Daredevil, by delivering one of the worst superhero performances out there.
And there was people just like you back when Affleck as cast as Daredevil. Back then people were bringing up Micheal Keaton's backlash (among others), and telling us how much Affleck has grown as an actor, and how much he is going to surprise us with Daredevil. And boy did Affleck surprise everyone with Daredevil, by delivering one of the worst superhero performances out there.
10:49AM on 09/13/2013
After seeing Man of Steel and being mostly okay with it, I really can't complain about this new one.

My only problem is that Kryptonite hasn't been intintroduced. they wouldn't have Batman discover it would they? Can't picture of a confrontation between the two without Batman eventually relying on it. Without it, it would be a serious battle of wits.
After seeing Man of Steel and being mostly okay with it, I really can't complain about this new one.

My only problem is that Kryptonite hasn't been intintroduced. they wouldn't have Batman discover it would they? Can't picture of a confrontation between the two without Batman eventually relying on it. Without it, it would be a serious battle of wits.
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10:40AM on 09/13/2013
I'm honestly so down for a Man of Steel sequel, but as much as how epic a Batman Vs. Superman movie sounds, I still find that it's way too early for a Batman reboot. it almost feels as if Warner Bros. are so dismissive to Nolan's trilogy grossing nearly $3 billion throughout a 7-year time frame. I honestly think The Man of Steel sequel should allow for Supes to grow as a character (since the first movie literally jolted at little character development even though we had little flashbacks here
I'm honestly so down for a Man of Steel sequel, but as much as how epic a Batman Vs. Superman movie sounds, I still find that it's way too early for a Batman reboot. it almost feels as if Warner Bros. are so dismissive to Nolan's trilogy grossing nearly $3 billion throughout a 7-year time frame. I honestly think The Man of Steel sequel should allow for Supes to grow as a character (since the first movie literally jolted at little character development even though we had little flashbacks here and there). Instead of Batman, why not an Introduction to Flash or something? I feel like Nolan's trilogy needs to age a little bit and become that better fine wine. My opinion on Affleck is respectfully reserved till the finished product of course, but this feels so rushed for some reason to me?
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11:12AM on 09/13/2013
Best argument I've read so far as to why this film shouldn't happen... With Nolan's films still so fresh in our mind, and done so well, anything less is going to be a disappointment. Why not wait until enough time has past, until people are dying for the character to be reborn, before starting again? You're right on all counts. And yeah... It's absolutely being rushed. DC is attempting to accomplish 2 things; 1) Replicate the success Marvel has had over the past few years; 2) Reintroduce
Best argument I've read so far as to why this film shouldn't happen... With Nolan's films still so fresh in our mind, and done so well, anything less is going to be a disappointment. Why not wait until enough time has past, until people are dying for the character to be reborn, before starting again? You're right on all counts. And yeah... It's absolutely being rushed. DC is attempting to accomplish 2 things; 1) Replicate the success Marvel has had over the past few years; 2) Reintroduce the character quickly, as he's been the biggest draw in ticket sales for the company. There's been more time between all of Nolan's Batmans than there is between the last Batman and this film, let alone Man of Steel and this. Nolan took great care in perfecting every aspect before moving forward, and if Nolan needed that much time, do we really think a lesser talent would accomplish that feat faster?
10:39AM on 09/13/2013
Affleck is going to make a great Batman and I like the fact that he will already be Batman for awhile and will be worn down. I just hope they establish this new Batman in the same vein and tone as the Arkham Asylum video games. This time not making it so grounded, but a little supernatural. That way we can have more of Batman's villains who we haven't even seen on the big screen yet, finally make an appearance. Then hopefully we can have Affleck direct his own Batman film.

I would also like
Affleck is going to make a great Batman and I like the fact that he will already be Batman for awhile and will be worn down. I just hope they establish this new Batman in the same vein and tone as the Arkham Asylum video games. This time not making it so grounded, but a little supernatural. That way we can have more of Batman's villains who we haven't even seen on the big screen yet, finally make an appearance. Then hopefully we can have Affleck direct his own Batman film.

I would also like to see at least one more Justice League member introduced in this film, just so that they can finally start building the universe towards Justice League. And I think that character should be Green Arrow.
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10:35AM on 09/13/2013

Can't say I'm looking forward to this...

I haven't been excited about this, just as I wasn't when the idea of a Justice League was being kicked around... I've always considered D.C. Characters to be more impressive as stand alone characters... That said, I also had doubts about The Avengers, so I suppose I should wait until I have a bit more to go on... All that said, I'm okay with Affleck as Batman. Like many, at first I thought the idea sounded preposterous, but after having a few days to think it over, cooler heads prevailed, and
I haven't been excited about this, just as I wasn't when the idea of a Justice League was being kicked around... I've always considered D.C. Characters to be more impressive as stand alone characters... That said, I also had doubts about The Avengers, so I suppose I should wait until I have a bit more to go on... All that said, I'm okay with Affleck as Batman. Like many, at first I thought the idea sounded preposterous, but after having a few days to think it over, cooler heads prevailed, and I think it was a solid choice. Of the actors names being kicked around before the announcement, he's a better pick than 90% of them. He's proven he's taking his career in a more serious direction, and I for one will give him a chance... You can't tell me we still only think of Batman & Robin when we think of Clooney, or The Hulk when we think of Ang Lee or Eric Bana... Give the guy some slack. There are much better actors who've failed to make a successful superhero, and much worse actors who have. Nobody thought Keaton or Ledger would have been as iconic in their roles as they were, and who isn't glad they were cast? I was fairly happy with Snyder's casting regarding Man Of Steel, so I'll at least wait for some material to surface before I condemn the choice.
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10:19AM on 09/13/2013
I was shocked at first too, but then over the past decade we've seen Batman and Superman finally taken to the appropriate levels. The same developers are involved with this movie and I can't help but feel we need to show a little faith.
I was shocked at first too, but then over the past decade we've seen Batman and Superman finally taken to the appropriate levels. The same developers are involved with this movie and I can't help but feel we need to show a little faith.
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10:17AM on 09/13/2013

How to kill a franchise check list:

Terrible Writer - Check
Mediocre director - Check
Epically miscast a title character - Check
Terrible Writer - Check
Mediocre director - Check
Epically miscast a title character - Check
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10:57AM on 09/13/2013
Isn't the same "terrible writer" and "mediocre director" responsible for the first film in the franchise? If so, wouldn't the argument that their involvement in it be a bit ridiculous, assuming you liked Man of Steel, and if not, wouldn't the franchise be considered DOA anyway? I think more often than not, it's a new director that usually kills franchises, not the original. The original Superman series declined when Richard Donner left, as did Batman when Burton left, and X-Men with Singer,
Isn't the same "terrible writer" and "mediocre director" responsible for the first film in the franchise? If so, wouldn't the argument that their involvement in it be a bit ridiculous, assuming you liked Man of Steel, and if not, wouldn't the franchise be considered DOA anyway? I think more often than not, it's a new director that usually kills franchises, not the original. The original Superman series declined when Richard Donner left, as did Batman when Burton left, and X-Men with Singer, and so on... If the man did the first one right, you'd have to at least suspect he'd be capable of doing a sequel well.
11:06AM on 09/13/2013
You assume wrong. I was very excited to see Man of Steel, but I thought the actual film was an embarrassing mess.

Right now Man of Steel is right where Batman Forever was. It wasn't a good movie, but it made a shit ton of money (oddly enough Forever did receive far better reviews than Man of Steel).
You assume wrong. I was very excited to see Man of Steel, but I thought the actual film was an embarrassing mess.

Right now Man of Steel is right where Batman Forever was. It wasn't a good movie, but it made a shit ton of money (oddly enough Forever did receive far better reviews than Man of Steel).
12:59PM on 09/13/2013
Hmmm... Interesting. I'm actually somewhat on par with your thoughts. I wouldn't personally go so far to say the film was a mess, but it was quite flawed. As far as Batman Forever goes, it was a very different interpretation of the Batman world, and while I prefered what Burton had given us, I enjoyed the comic bookish take Forever had. It wasn't a great movie... It really wasn't even a good movie, but it was enjoyable enough, mostly for Tommy Lee Jones' and Carry's performances. Man of
Hmmm... Interesting. I'm actually somewhat on par with your thoughts. I wouldn't personally go so far to say the film was a mess, but it was quite flawed. As far as Batman Forever goes, it was a very different interpretation of the Batman world, and while I prefered what Burton had given us, I enjoyed the comic bookish take Forever had. It wasn't a great movie... It really wasn't even a good movie, but it was enjoyable enough, mostly for Tommy Lee Jones' and Carry's performances. Man of Steel, however, was the typical fare for Zack Snyder. When he doesn't have a great script to work from, he creates visually stunning films with less than great performances and a faulty plot. It's not awful. It's certainly something I'd be willing to see continued, as opposed to Singer's Superman Returns (Which I, for one, enjoyed as an homage to Donnor's work, but nothing more). Even so, I wouldn't expect much of a change. DC is rushing to get this made, working with Goyer, who without the help of a much more talented writing partner, is better suited writing for the likes of Michael Bay. Our only hope for a solid, all around picture, is that Nolan as producer makes the necessary improvements where he sees weakness. I fear, however, that he's too busy with his own films to divert his focus to something with only a producing credit.
12:59PM on 09/13/2013
Agreed totally, I really didn't enjoy Man of Steel at all, the screenplay was just a big mess, I don't mind Snyder as a director but still don't think he was the right guy for this particular character either. Goyer is the real problem with this franchise, I'd be shocked if this movie ends up being good.
Agreed totally, I really didn't enjoy Man of Steel at all, the screenplay was just a big mess, I don't mind Snyder as a director but still don't think he was the right guy for this particular character either. Goyer is the real problem with this franchise, I'd be shocked if this movie ends up being good.
10:17AM on 09/13/2013
'Depressed hero' is the latest trend.film critics and film snobs hail it as wonderful "character development".btw,how can he be more depressed than nolan's Batman!
'Depressed hero' is the latest trend.film critics and film snobs hail it as wonderful "character development".btw,how can he be more depressed than nolan's Batman!
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10:09AM on 09/13/2013

Hmmmm

God I hope they take nothing from that animated movie/graphic novel
God I hope they take nothing from that animated movie/graphic novel
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10:05AM on 09/13/2013
"tired, and kind of weary and seasoned" - Already demanding too much from what Affleck is capable of.
"tired, and kind of weary and seasoned" - Already demanding too much from what Affleck is capable of.
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10:05AM on 09/13/2013
They're seriously going to stick with Ben Affleck? Hoookay then. I'll be sticking with my money, thank you very much.
They're seriously going to stick with Ben Affleck? Hoookay then. I'll be sticking with my money, thank you very much.
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10:02AM on 09/13/2013

Flash

Maybe they will invest in the Flash? I love that character. I have really low expectations for Man of Steel 2. So if Affleck decides to do a good job, and not phone it in like some of his other roles, then i'll be somewhat happy.
Maybe they will invest in the Flash? I love that character. I have really low expectations for Man of Steel 2. So if Affleck decides to do a good job, and not phone it in like some of his other roles, then i'll be somewhat happy.
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9:59AM on 09/13/2013
He could provide a kind of counterpoint to a young, impulsive Superman. Maybe they take turns putting each other in his place (not remotely what I meant). I agree with TarantinoDork about wanting to see some actual Bat family members in a movie. The day the whole crew is assembled will be a very happy day for DC fanboys everywhere. I'm looking forward to it; I guess Batman can work as a character who always seems like he's had enough, but just keeps pushing because he know Gotham needs him
He could provide a kind of counterpoint to a young, impulsive Superman. Maybe they take turns putting each other in his place (not remotely what I meant). I agree with TarantinoDork about wanting to see some actual Bat family members in a movie. The day the whole crew is assembled will be a very happy day for DC fanboys everywhere. I'm looking forward to it; I guess Batman can work as a character who always seems like he's had enough, but just keeps pushing because he know Gotham needs him around.
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9:51AM on 09/13/2013

QQ

*Insert continued fanboy anger here*

Things will be fine at the end of the day. And if the movie sucks. Then the movie sucks. End of story.
*Insert continued fanboy anger here*

Things will be fine at the end of the day. And if the movie sucks. Then the movie sucks. End of story.
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9:47AM on 09/13/2013

Extra tidbit:

If they're really going with 'tired, weary and seasoned' Batman...then they need reasons for him to be those things. So I wouldn't be surprised if Barbara Gordon as Oracle is established, and at least easter eggs hinting at Nightwing, Huntress, and/or Jason Todd.

And to differentiate from the Nolan flicks it might be wise to put someone else in the Commissioner's chair than Jim Gordon. Have him be long retired (or even dead) and set up Ellen Yindel or maybe even Sarah Essen as Gotham's top
If they're really going with 'tired, weary and seasoned' Batman...then they need reasons for him to be those things. So I wouldn't be surprised if Barbara Gordon as Oracle is established, and at least easter eggs hinting at Nightwing, Huntress, and/or Jason Todd.

And to differentiate from the Nolan flicks it might be wise to put someone else in the Commissioner's chair than Jim Gordon. Have him be long retired (or even dead) and set up Ellen Yindel or maybe even Sarah Essen as Gotham's top cop.

And fanboys really need to get over the Affleck hate. Its 2013, not 2003 when it was all trendy to say Affleck sucks. The guy's only just now entering his creative prime. I mean, he just won Best Picture for a movie about how international love of Star Wars and comic books helped save hostages from Iran without a shot fired. Where's the love fanboys?
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10:16AM on 09/13/2013
Agree on everything. My problem with this is this movie is too soon. They need to have a solo Bats to set all that up. Another Supes to introduce kryptonite and then they meet.
Agree on everything. My problem with this is this movie is too soon. They need to have a solo Bats to set all that up. Another Supes to introduce kryptonite and then they meet.
10:47AM on 09/13/2013
What's getting tiresome is the 'It's not 2003 Affleck' it's the new 2013 Affleck, now with improved flavour" argument.

Hey maybe people have seen his more recent work and still don't like his acting. Oh wait, too much of a stretch??
What's getting tiresome is the 'It's not 2003 Affleck' it's the new 2013 Affleck, now with improved flavour" argument.

Hey maybe people have seen his more recent work and still don't like his acting. Oh wait, too much of a stretch??
11:11AM on 09/13/2013
You don't need another Superman solo flick. Indeed, I suspect that they're setting it up that Batman, and not Luthor or another villain, will be the one to first discover and use Kryptonite against Supes.
You don't need another Superman solo flick. Indeed, I suspect that they're setting it up that Batman, and not Luthor or another villain, will be the one to first discover and use Kryptonite against Supes.
9:45AM on 09/13/2013

Isn't most of Ben Affleck's performances tired?

Seriously, the guy was in 58 movies over 20 years, and only ever gave a believable performance in like 3 of them.
Seriously, the guy was in 58 movies over 20 years, and only ever gave a believable performance in like 3 of them.
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10:45AM on 09/13/2013
Oh come on, you're being a little rough on the guy. He's been solid in a lot of his work. Changing Lanes, Dogma, Boiler Room, Hollywoodland, State of Play, To The Wonder, Argo, The Town, Good Will Hunting, Dazed & Confused, Chasing Amy? You can't tell me he was bad in any of them... Maybe not stellar, but solid in all of them. He's made some bad choices, yeah, but so has Robert DeNiro, Christopher Walken and Al Pacino... A series of bad films doesn't make him a bad actor... Just not the
Oh come on, you're being a little rough on the guy. He's been solid in a lot of his work. Changing Lanes, Dogma, Boiler Room, Hollywoodland, State of Play, To The Wonder, Argo, The Town, Good Will Hunting, Dazed & Confused, Chasing Amy? You can't tell me he was bad in any of them... Maybe not stellar, but solid in all of them. He's made some bad choices, yeah, but so has Robert DeNiro, Christopher Walken and Al Pacino... A series of bad films doesn't make him a bad actor... Just not the best judge of projects. And he's been making some great projects as of late. You can't say that Matthew McConaughey or Heath Ledger didn't make bad choices, and I don't think anyone isn't impressed or surprised with the direction their careers ended going.
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