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Bryan Singer offers up his thoughts on Superman Returns

Mar. 25, 2011by: Niki Stephens

Voices From Krypton, part of Comic Book Movie.com, had a brief conversation with Bryan Singer about SUPERMAN RETURNS during press for X-MEN: FIRST CLASS. Singer opens up about his vision for the film as well as his love for Richard Donner's SUPERMAN. It's extremely interesting to read his thoughts and reflections on his Supes film. There were a few things that sort of irked me, but I actually liked it. Much of this has to do with Brandon Routh.

I decided to keep my thoughts short so you could check out the interview. There's a lot we could discuss here so I look forward to seeing what you guys have to say about Singer's comments.

VOICES FROM KRYPTON: Were you surprised by peoples reaction to the film?

BRYAN SINGER: Its hard for me to assess it. My gut response is, It didnt do THAT bad. You know, summers a tricky time I know its hard to blame the time, but theres a bit of an expectation for a summer movie. I think that Superman Returns was a bit nostalgic and romantic, and I dont think that was what people were expecting, especially in the summer. What I had noticed is that there werent a lot of women lining up to see a comic book movie, but they were going to line up to see The Devil Wears Prada, which may have been something I wanted to address. But when youre making a movie, youre not thinking about that stuff, youre thinking, Wow, I want to make a romantic movie that harkens back to the Richard Donner movie that I loved so much. And thats what I did

VOICES FROM KRYPTON: But focusing on the romantic side of things, especially in a superhero movie, is NOT what people would have expected from you.

BRYAN SINGER: Right, because I was known for the X-Men Pictures, which had been more realistic and edgier. That I think was a big piece of what it was. Plus you had that complicated relationship between the Richard White character and Lois Lane that might have thrown people off. Quentin Tarantino and I had a big conversation about it he has a fascination with this film and he wrote this whole essay about it, but the Lois Lane part of it has always been a stickler with him. This is me extrapolating, but the relationship in the Donner film was so black and white and here it was complex. Adding to that, of course, was the child that was involved. Again, I really do think I was making the film for that Devil Wears Prada audience of women who wouldnt normally come to a superhero film.

SINGER: Thats a tricky thing when youve built an audience that likes your comic book films and you deliver a certain tone, and then you bring this completely different tone to them. You know, I havent really talked about this in depth, so Im just thinking about this off the fly. Its hard, because Im proud of it for what it is. I mean, there are a bunch of movies Ive made where Im, like, Yuck, that was weak or That couldve been better, and I can see why. But with Superman Returns. If I could go back, I would have tightened the first act. Maybe open with the plane or something.

QUESTION: Truthfully, as much as I love Superman: The Movie, it felt like maybe you were paying too much of an homage to it and Richard Donner.

BRYAN SINGER: Oh, absolutely. Whats interesting is that people know Im a big Trekkie, and theyre always saying, Why dont you do a Star Trek? and I say, You know, I think Im TOO big a fan of Star Trek. Youd feel like you were watching Wrath of Khan again." So with Superman, again, it was romantic and nostalgic and NOT a high octane summer movie like Transformers or something like that. I think people wouldve wanted that from me, knowing what I did with the X-Men, where I shed all the comic-ness and tried to make it real. Here, though, I embraced the comic-ness and made this alternate, bucolic Metropolis. Then there was the music and the whole thing. But I am very much in love with the Donner picture, and for me the journey was exciting because I got the chance to reprise those images and explore it. When youre fascinated by something and you love it, part of making the movie is trying to please everyone and make a successful movie, but part of it is an experimental kind of thing.

QUESTION: One final point Id like to make is the fact that Luthor stabs and nearly kills Superman, but it seemed wrong to me that the two characters never came back together again; that there was no comeuppance for Luthor.

BRYAN SINGER: Ive always felt that the origin of Superman is the story of Moses the child sent on a ship to fulfill a destiny. And this was a story about Christ its all about sacrifice: The world, I hear their cries. So what happens? He gets the knife in the side and later he falls to the earth in the shape of a crucifix. It was kind of nailing you on the head, but I enjoyed that, because Ive always found the myth of Christ compelling and moving. So I hoped to do my own take, which is heavy shit for a summer movie. But definitely the nostalgic, romantic aspects of it worked against peoples expectations of it in the climate. And if I was going to do another one, it would be a reboot. I would go back and redo the original, but I only thought of that recently. It would be a much less romantic, more balls-to-the-wall action movie. It would be a very different pace than Superman Returns, which I can say at this point because I have distance from it now.

Extra Tidbit: The kid sub-plot and boring performance from Kate Bosworth were the main two things that drove me nuts.

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12:07PM on 03/26/2011

I have a confession to make

I get choked up everytime I see Superman Returns. That scene in the end where Superman is talking to his son and he's giving the same speech that Jor-El gave to him, it gets me everytime.

Bryan Singer may have harsh feelings regarding the film, and I know he realizes that many people see it as a dissapointment. That being said, Superman Returns had a profound impact on my life. You can be the greatest man on earth, but you still can't have it all. Superman can't be with Lois Lane, the love
I get choked up everytime I see Superman Returns. That scene in the end where Superman is talking to his son and he's giving the same speech that Jor-El gave to him, it gets me everytime.

Bryan Singer may have harsh feelings regarding the film, and I know he realizes that many people see it as a dissapointment. That being said, Superman Returns had a profound impact on my life. You can be the greatest man on earth, but you still can't have it all. Superman can't be with Lois Lane, the love of his life.

Just writing this down makes me emotional, and I'm a guy. All of you guys can hate the movie and I can understand that, but if I ever see Bryan Singer, I would seriously give that guy a hug and tell him thank you. That film came out exactly when I needed it the most.

Thank You, Bryan Singer. Thank You.
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7:14PM on 03/25/2011
I'm looking forward to Snyder's take, but I admit I'd love a sequel to Superman Returns (without the kid though). I always thought of this movie as Batman begins (but not as good), in that it was a re-introduction to the character, and the sequel would be bigger and bolder and probably make more money (like Dark Knight). Returns is better than at least 50% of the comic book films I've seen.
I'm looking forward to Snyder's take, but I admit I'd love a sequel to Superman Returns (without the kid though). I always thought of this movie as Batman begins (but not as good), in that it was a re-introduction to the character, and the sequel would be bigger and bolder and probably make more money (like Dark Knight). Returns is better than at least 50% of the comic book films I've seen.
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11:41PM on 03/25/2011
And James Marsden is often overlooked, as he imbued Richard White with a classical dignity of a born leading-man. Which was surprising since his Cyclops character was anything but.
And James Marsden is often overlooked, as he imbued Richard White with a classical dignity of a born leading-man. Which was surprising since his Cyclops character was anything but.
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12:05PM on 03/26/2011
I didn't hate Superman Returns but I didn't love it. I agree w/ most people that Brandon Routh was the best part of the movie. I would've liked to see him get another try at the role.
I didn't hate Superman Returns but I didn't love it. I agree w/ most people that Brandon Routh was the best part of the movie. I would've liked to see him get another try at the role.
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6:07PM on 03/26/2011
Couldn't agree more. I own the film mainly for Routh, he was perfect.
Couldn't agree more. I own the film mainly for Routh, he was perfect.
6:45PM on 03/25/2011
I really enjoyed singers Superman and would rather a true sequel then a reboot. Not enough time between films to cast a new lead.
I really enjoyed singers Superman and would rather a true sequel then a reboot. Not enough time between films to cast a new lead.
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1:52PM on 03/26/2011
After seeing Sucker Punch, I honest can't imagine how Snyder's film could any better than Returns. Sad time indeed for the man of steel.
After seeing Sucker Punch, I honest can't imagine how Snyder's film could any better than Returns. Sad time indeed for the man of steel.
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4:17AM on 03/26/2011
"Quentin Tarantino and I had a big conversation about it he has a fascination with this film and he wrote this whole essay about it,"
Not surprised the king of homage movies would find Superman Returns a fascinating prospect.
"Quentin Tarantino and I had a big conversation about it he has a fascination with this film and he wrote this whole essay about it,"
Not surprised the king of homage movies would find Superman Returns a fascinating prospect.
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12:03AM on 03/26/2011
I'm not going to pretend Superman Returns was a perfect movie, far from it. But I feel like showing positive side today so I'll say this:
The scene on the plane was absolutely incredibly cool, and made the movie completely worth seeing, to me anyways.
I'm not going to pretend Superman Returns was a perfect movie, far from it. But I feel like showing positive side today so I'll say this:
The scene on the plane was absolutely incredibly cool, and made the movie completely worth seeing, to me anyways.
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10:25PM on 03/25/2011

So the moral of the story is....

Don't direct stories that you already have an intense love affair with.

Reminds of me of when Ridley Scott said he was the best person to direct Alien (sci-fi) because he didn't believe in it.

Look at the Star Trek. You can tell JJ Abrams not only was NEVER a trekkie, but that he HATED the character of Kirk with a passion. Why else would he put him in all that torture and those fights where he gets his face rearranged EVERYTIME! And it was fun, plus he wasn't afraid to change stuff that a
Don't direct stories that you already have an intense love affair with.

Reminds of me of when Ridley Scott said he was the best person to direct Alien (sci-fi) because he didn't believe in it.

Look at the Star Trek. You can tell JJ Abrams not only was NEVER a trekkie, but that he HATED the character of Kirk with a passion. Why else would he put him in all that torture and those fights where he gets his face rearranged EVERYTIME! And it was fun, plus he wasn't afraid to change stuff that a fan would never consider doing.

I thought Superman Returns was fine, aside from the casting of Kate Bosworth and the kid (kid subplots are notoriously bad plot additions. That's why Being Human cut that shit out fast).

But the thing is he does something in SR that he did with X-Men but it worked against him in that he restrained things too much. He didn't do anything new with the character villain wise. I mean we waited 20 or so years to see what Superman would be up to since late 70's-80's and it turns out to be pretty much the same thing.
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10:48PM on 03/25/2011
Yes, but if a director admits he is not a fan of the series he is joining, fanboys will tear him apart. And then every change would be dissected and criticized for ruining a good thing and for being from someone who shows no respect to the source material. The changes might have been good for the movie (I LOVED Abrams' Star Trek), but the fanboys are set against enjoying it because of their bias against a director who doesn't cherish the thing they love.
Yes, but if a director admits he is not a fan of the series he is joining, fanboys will tear him apart. And then every change would be dissected and criticized for ruining a good thing and for being from someone who shows no respect to the source material. The changes might have been good for the movie (I LOVED Abrams' Star Trek), but the fanboys are set against enjoying it because of their bias against a director who doesn't cherish the thing they love.
1:44AM on 03/26/2011
Yeah, but as we've seen in movies that fans or geeks gush over, there's not enough of them to make a movie a success, so in the end a director has to make a movie that is all inclusive, well written and just works as an entertaining piece of work with winks and nods for the fanboys to gush over.

I'm not a trekkie, I liked ST:TNG, but I don't give a crap about the the original Trek and I enjoyed JJ's take.

SOmetimes with these stories killing the darlings is necessary. Look what JOss
Yeah, but as we've seen in movies that fans or geeks gush over, there's not enough of them to make a movie a success, so in the end a director has to make a movie that is all inclusive, well written and just works as an entertaining piece of work with winks and nods for the fanboys to gush over.

I'm not a trekkie, I liked ST:TNG, but I don't give a crap about the the original Trek and I enjoyed JJ's take.

SOmetimes with these stories killing the darlings is necessary. Look what JOss Whedon did with Serenity. He created the series and characters for TV nd when the movie came out he knew to make certain aspects of the film work, he had to kill characters he loved and he did it. And Serenity cinematic wise a really good film, but fans gave him flack for those choices, and Whedon is a fan of his own work. So fan or not, fans don't always know what's necessary to make things work in their favorite titles, In the end its not 100% about them but about making the hard choices to make a piece work.
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8:55PM on 03/26/2011
I still don't get all the hate for Superman Returns. It wasn't perfect, but it was a fun watch. Routh was perfect in the role, Spacey made Luthor a believably evil guy, and it was full of great moments. Airplane scene, great. Superman and Lios flying over Metropolis, great. Every scene with Clark, great. Mama kent stuck outside the hospital longing to see her son, GREAT.

Seriously, the only really bad part of the whole thing was Super Kid.
I still don't get all the hate for Superman Returns. It wasn't perfect, but it was a fun watch. Routh was perfect in the role, Spacey made Luthor a believably evil guy, and it was full of great moments. Airplane scene, great. Superman and Lios flying over Metropolis, great. Every scene with Clark, great. Mama kent stuck outside the hospital longing to see her son, GREAT.

Seriously, the only really bad part of the whole thing was Super Kid.
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7:51PM on 03/25/2011
i really do not understand the mentality of some of the people making movies these days. I mean, the guy gets given the chance to make a Superman movie. He's the most well known superhero there is, maybe the pinnacle of the genre. What does this guy do? He makes the movie for "Devil Wears Prada audience of women" and creates a character (Superman's son) never seen in 72 years Superman stories, which completely changes the identity and dynamic of Superman himself. It's not fucking rocket science
i really do not understand the mentality of some of the people making movies these days. I mean, the guy gets given the chance to make a Superman movie. He's the most well known superhero there is, maybe the pinnacle of the genre. What does this guy do? He makes the movie for "Devil Wears Prada audience of women" and creates a character (Superman's son) never seen in 72 years Superman stories, which completely changes the identity and dynamic of Superman himself. It's not fucking rocket science is it? Just give the movie-going audience a film using the characters, situations & story lines from the comics. I mean, they've only been popular since 1939, isn't that evidence enough that they're what we want?
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8:58PM on 03/25/2011
I agree with you whole-heartedly. It's like me saying "I'm going to make another Die Hard movie - except I'm going to make it for the people who don't like Die Hard movies!" Make the film for the people who are interested and are going to pay money to see it!!
I agree with you whole-heartedly. It's like me saying "I'm going to make another Die Hard movie - except I'm going to make it for the people who don't like Die Hard movies!" Make the film for the people who are interested and are going to pay money to see it!!
9:05PM on 03/25/2011
Yeah, but you can't fault the guy for trying to capture a new audience. Superman fans are going to see the film anyway, so you want to reach out to people who may not see it. It's all about finding balance and trying to do something that is going to appeal to a wide range of people.
Yeah, but you can't fault the guy for trying to capture a new audience. Superman fans are going to see the film anyway, so you want to reach out to people who may not see it. It's all about finding balance and trying to do something that is going to appeal to a wide range of people.
10:31PM on 03/25/2011
You are on the money here man! Superman is the easiest character to write for, since there has been 100000 comics. movies, shows, radio shows, etc to draw inspiration from. Give me a break Singer.
You are on the money here man! Superman is the easiest character to write for, since there has been 100000 comics. movies, shows, radio shows, etc to draw inspiration from. Give me a break Singer.
7:17PM on 03/25/2011

AFTER ALL THIS TIME ...

... Superman Returns stays a very good movie in my book, BUT for a superhero flick and movie that should have relounched a franchise that's not enough. Yes, I agree with kid sub-plot and Bosworth, but Routh and Spacey were great. Singer should have stayed with X-men franchise.
... Superman Returns stays a very good movie in my book, BUT for a superhero flick and movie that should have relounched a franchise that's not enough. Yes, I agree with kid sub-plot and Bosworth, but Routh and Spacey were great. Singer should have stayed with X-men franchise.
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12:30AM on 03/26/2011
I like Superman Returns. I think it's kinda flopped was because it's almost the same plot as Superman: The Movie - Lex Luthor with his evil plan of making earthquake so he can buy the land cheap. Casting Routh as Superman is superb because he has that uncanny resemblance to the late Christopher Reeve.
I like Superman Returns. I think it's kinda flopped was because it's almost the same plot as Superman: The Movie - Lex Luthor with his evil plan of making earthquake so he can buy the land cheap. Casting Routh as Superman is superb because he has that uncanny resemblance to the late Christopher Reeve.
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5:18PM on 03/27/2011
This just reaffirms my belief that Singer has never actually read a Superman comic, and all his knowledge is from the Richard Donner film of the 70s. No one gives a crap how much you liked Richard Donner's film, we hadn't been waiting around for decades to see a new Richard Donner film, we've been waiting around for a Superman film that would be reflective of the times we live in. Just leave comic book movies alone Singer and go back to crime flicks.
This just reaffirms my belief that Singer has never actually read a Superman comic, and all his knowledge is from the Richard Donner film of the 70s. No one gives a crap how much you liked Richard Donner's film, we hadn't been waiting around for decades to see a new Richard Donner film, we've been waiting around for a Superman film that would be reflective of the times we live in. Just leave comic book movies alone Singer and go back to crime flicks.
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9:52AM on 03/26/2011
I love how motivated Kevin Spacey looks in the picture above. lol
I love how motivated Kevin Spacey looks in the picture above. lol
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11:41PM on 03/25/2011
The kid aside I remember rather enjoying it. Mainly, it was both familiar and nostalgic, and with some pretty exciting moments, but not as slam-bang as Spider-Man or X-Men was. Maybe because I hadn't seen Donner's film yet, but I didn't find Bosworth as bad as everyone else seems to.
The kid aside I remember rather enjoying it. Mainly, it was both familiar and nostalgic, and with some pretty exciting moments, but not as slam-bang as Spider-Man or X-Men was. Maybe because I hadn't seen Donner's film yet, but I didn't find Bosworth as bad as everyone else seems to.
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2:15PM on 03/26/2011
The only news I want to hear regarding Superman is Zack Snyder leaving the project.
The only news I want to hear regarding Superman is Zack Snyder leaving the project.
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2:40AM on 03/26/2011
i love superman returns mainly because instead of focusing on powers and elaborate effects they kept it more about the people and their journeys i loved that more, because with just mindless action thats what kills a lot of interest in supes. i know so many people who say he's boring because he's nigh invulnerable. where most of the best stories for me tend to come from is the story of him being a hero knowing whats right and struggling with that. honestly fan backlash killed it, because if you
i love superman returns mainly because instead of focusing on powers and elaborate effects they kept it more about the people and their journeys i loved that more, because with just mindless action thats what kills a lot of interest in supes. i know so many people who say he's boring because he's nigh invulnerable. where most of the best stories for me tend to come from is the story of him being a hero knowing whats right and struggling with that. honestly fan backlash killed it, because if you looked into the future the next movie woulda been a slobberknocker you fickle fans who hate a franchise for weak reasons are too numerous and kill promising movies, and leave the cream of crap left. loved this movie, and loved everything about it
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9:19PM on 03/25/2011
You can tell the guy has a genuine love for the original films and the character. I think he just got landed with a bad script.
You can tell the guy has a genuine love for the original films and the character. I think he just got landed with a bad script.
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9:18PM on 03/25/2011
Im a big fan of Returns. The kid thing threw me off and wish he wouldnt have done it but other than that it was a top notch film. The plane scene was just downright amazing!!
Im a big fan of Returns. The kid thing threw me off and wish he wouldnt have done it but other than that it was a top notch film. The plane scene was just downright amazing!!
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8:14PM on 03/25/2011
I actually liked Returns. Guess I'm in the minority....
I'm just sick of Superman vs. Lex. Did we really need to see another "battle" between these two? If Returns wasn't a "comic" movie,we would have had a baddie that could actually challenge Superman.
I actually liked Returns. Guess I'm in the minority....
I'm just sick of Superman vs. Lex. Did we really need to see another "battle" between these two? If Returns wasn't a "comic" movie,we would have had a baddie that could actually challenge Superman.
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7:28PM on 03/25/2011

Lois Lane Returns

Singer is absolutely awesome.

But let's be frank here.

Donner's films had a lot more going on than Lois Lane fretting over which guy she wants to sleep with and a Kryptonian custody battle.

Superman Returns wasn't a Superman movie. It was a Lois Lane movie.
Singer is absolutely awesome.

But let's be frank here.

Donner's films had a lot more going on than Lois Lane fretting over which guy she wants to sleep with and a Kryptonian custody battle.

Superman Returns wasn't a Superman movie. It was a Lois Lane movie.
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11:08PM on 03/25/2011

The Jesus Reference

I am not opposed to Christian allegories (in fact, I appreciate them), but the problem with the Jesus parallels in this film is that it emphasizes a feature no one wants to see in an ACTION movie: a hero who surrenders to death. Jesus was not the type of hero that would fill the cineplexes as a blockbuster. He did not fight; he just submitted to the crucifixion. Jews wanted to see him rise up and defeat Israel's enemies, which made him a disappointment. So, even as a salvation figure, is
I am not opposed to Christian allegories (in fact, I appreciate them), but the problem with the Jesus parallels in this film is that it emphasizes a feature no one wants to see in an ACTION movie: a hero who surrenders to death. Jesus was not the type of hero that would fill the cineplexes as a blockbuster. He did not fight; he just submitted to the crucifixion. Jews wanted to see him rise up and defeat Israel's enemies, which made him a disappointment. So, even as a salvation figure, is his character really the type you would want to personify Superman in a summer blockbuster? Not if you want fight scenes, because all you end up with is Superman being killed by his enemy and falling with his arms stretched out.

Of course, this same Christ figure knocked up Lois and became a deadbeat dad who stalks his ex-lover. So, he's really not much of a hero here either. This can't be called a "Superhero" movie. It can barely be called a "hero" movie.
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3:59PM on 03/27/2011

Worth the Effort

Honestly being a large fan of the original Donner pics, Singer did a phenomenal job especially in finding Brandon Routh to portray the hero. It had heart to it and not just non stop retarded action like that of Michael Bay's Transformer's movies. and to JoeChar....not everyone believes in god or the stories behind the bible. Sorry if you gave into the top selling fiction novel in the world...but to some of us, it's all myth, just like Greek mythology.
Honestly being a large fan of the original Donner pics, Singer did a phenomenal job especially in finding Brandon Routh to portray the hero. It had heart to it and not just non stop retarded action like that of Michael Bay's Transformer's movies. and to JoeChar....not everyone believes in god or the stories behind the bible. Sorry if you gave into the top selling fiction novel in the world...but to some of us, it's all myth, just like Greek mythology.
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2:37AM on 03/28/2011
Have you even read the Bible or are you just out of your element and not know what you are talking about?
Have you even read the Bible or are you just out of your element and not know what you are talking about?
3:51AM on 03/27/2011
I get that he was trying to rehash Donner's classic movie but he missed the most important part of Donner's Superman. Donner made his movie fun and exciting, and romantic, not a slow plodding melodrama
I get that he was trying to rehash Donner's classic movie but he missed the most important part of Donner's Superman. Donner made his movie fun and exciting, and romantic, not a slow plodding melodrama
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8:59PM on 03/26/2011

Is Singer Serious?

Now I know why this movie was bad. He thought he was making something other then a movie about Superman. I can understand the Moses comparison, but if that was what he was going for it was a terrible mistake. The reason Richard Donner's Superman was so good is that he treated it as a myth. Donner made a movie that was serious, funny, thrilling. In other words, he knew it was supposed to be entertainment. Singer treated Superman Returns like it was the story of Jesus Christ or Moses.

I don't
Now I know why this movie was bad. He thought he was making something other then a movie about Superman. I can understand the Moses comparison, but if that was what he was going for it was a terrible mistake. The reason Richard Donner's Superman was so good is that he treated it as a myth. Donner made a movie that was serious, funny, thrilling. In other words, he knew it was supposed to be entertainment. Singer treated Superman Returns like it was the story of Jesus Christ or Moses.

I don't think I ever remember wondering how Superman knew where crime was happening.Singer had to have a heavy handed scene where Superman is in space listening for emergencies.I had no need for the heavy handed god references. Superman should be the easiest of all superhero's to make a movie of. People love Superman because of his unshakable morals. Give him a great villain and you've got a winner. Make him a stalker fighting a Kryptonite island and you've got a loser.
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11:14PM on 03/25/2011

Oh, and the Boy

So Superman's son has powers, huh? Really? Because I thought Superman had sex with Lois Lane after he had his power's removed and became human. I didn't realize he was able to transfer his power's when he didn't possess them, but who am I to question alien genetics? Still, this is one the things that bothered me about his son and it just added to the mess of a subplot that was the boy.

And Lois Lane needs more spunk than what Kate Bosworth showed. Erica Durance does a far better job
So Superman's son has powers, huh? Really? Because I thought Superman had sex with Lois Lane after he had his power's removed and became human. I didn't realize he was able to transfer his power's when he didn't possess them, but who am I to question alien genetics? Still, this is one the things that bothered me about his son and it just added to the mess of a subplot that was the boy.

And Lois Lane needs more spunk than what Kate Bosworth showed. Erica Durance does a far better job on Smallvile.
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10:42PM on 03/25/2011

I like Superman: Returns

i hate the kid part but i love spacey as luthor i think what hurt the movie more than the kid subplot or kate bosworth's lack of acting was the fact it was just Luther again as the villain so we as an audience was bored with it and picked out the other flaws. and as for the jesus references i didnt mind those i mean superman would be thought of as a god if he was real
i hate the kid part but i love spacey as luthor i think what hurt the movie more than the kid subplot or kate bosworth's lack of acting was the fact it was just Luther again as the villain so we as an audience was bored with it and picked out the other flaws. and as for the jesus references i didnt mind those i mean superman would be thought of as a god if he was real
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2:13PM on 03/30/2011

haha..religion...

religions funny...so are religious people
religions funny...so are religious people
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12:10PM on 03/29/2011

wow really?

People cant say the same phrase correctly in a cirlce of 20 people, but yet you want us to believe that somehow no one forgot or changed the story when the bible was finally written 500+ years after he died (for the 2nd time). Come on, why dont you smell what your shoveling?
People cant say the same phrase correctly in a cirlce of 20 people, but yet you want us to believe that somehow no one forgot or changed the story when the bible was finally written 500+ years after he died (for the 2nd time). Come on, why dont you smell what your shoveling?
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6:20PM on 03/27/2011
We should be getting a sequel to this instead of a reboot.
We should be getting a sequel to this instead of a reboot.
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9:26PM on 03/26/2011
Whatever Singer. Still think your direction was the wrong take. We needed a fresh Superman experience and you gave us the homage to Donner nobody wanted and a Luther that was again obsessed with real estate. Pfff. On the other hand you hinted at what you could have done well and completely blew it by not going that direction. I'm referring to the scene with Clark watching the news at his Ma's house. A Superman movie based on that scene is one that you could have knocked out of the park.
Whatever Singer. Still think your direction was the wrong take. We needed a fresh Superman experience and you gave us the homage to Donner nobody wanted and a Luther that was again obsessed with real estate. Pfff. On the other hand you hinted at what you could have done well and completely blew it by not going that direction. I'm referring to the scene with Clark watching the news at his Ma's house. A Superman movie based on that scene is one that you could have knocked out of the park.

So looking forward to Snyder's flick! Hopefully it will be just what the doctor ordered.
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9:25PM on 03/26/2011
Returns sucked--2 very brief action sequences and the very awful Bosworth as Lois--too bad, it could've been something great..
Returns sucked--2 very brief action sequences and the very awful Bosworth as Lois--too bad, it could've been something great..
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12:31PM on 03/26/2011
Superman Returns offered us the glimpse of Supes in action w/ state of the art effects we'd all been wanting for years. And absolutely nothing else . . .
Superman Returns offered us the glimpse of Supes in action w/ state of the art effects we'd all been wanting for years. And absolutely nothing else . . .
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9:11AM on 03/26/2011

Thumbs up!

Stop complaining people this film was very well done and so what theres not a lot of action. Id rather have a comic book movie with a great compelling story and homage to Donner than a shitty superman movie with a boat load of action. Singer did a good job i enjoyed it as much as the original.
Stop complaining people this film was very well done and so what theres not a lot of action. Id rather have a comic book movie with a great compelling story and homage to Donner than a shitty superman movie with a boat load of action. Singer did a good job i enjoyed it as much as the original.
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9:17AM on 03/26/2011
and i'd rather eat a bowl of shit than drown to death.

2 shitty options but one is clearly better than the other.

this movie sucked. it couldn't separate itself from the donner flicks. luthor's plan was beyond ludicrous, lois was dull, why the fuck was the super-kid subplot in there?, and we don't really see supes fight anything. the ONLY good thing about it was routh. and sadly, he got fucked just by being a part of the whole thing.
and i'd rather eat a bowl of shit than drown to death.

2 shitty options but one is clearly better than the other.

this movie sucked. it couldn't separate itself from the donner flicks. luthor's plan was beyond ludicrous, lois was dull, why the fuck was the super-kid subplot in there?, and we don't really see supes fight anything. the ONLY good thing about it was routh. and sadly, he got fucked just by being a part of the whole thing.
10:36PM on 03/25/2011
The main reasons SUPERMAN RETURNS was a flop :
The kid subplot
Kate Bosworth annoying performance
The non subtle Jesus references
The main reasons SUPERMAN RETURNS was a flop :
The kid subplot
Kate Bosworth annoying performance
The non subtle Jesus references
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10:08PM on 03/25/2011
When a little more of 50% of your dialog comes almost word for word from the Donner movie that was made almost 30 years prior, that may be your biggest problem. Not to mention turning Superman into a stalker (because there was no love story that I saw) stalking an ex-girlfriend and a deadbeat dad. AND rehashing Luthor as a villain with the land grab plot from the Donner movie.

There were ways to be reverent to the Donner movies while adding to the mythos without treading over a well-worn
When a little more of 50% of your dialog comes almost word for word from the Donner movie that was made almost 30 years prior, that may be your biggest problem. Not to mention turning Superman into a stalker (because there was no love story that I saw) stalking an ex-girlfriend and a deadbeat dad. AND rehashing Luthor as a villain with the land grab plot from the Donner movie.

There were ways to be reverent to the Donner movies while adding to the mythos without treading over a well-worn road, and Singer missed every single opportunity to do so.
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10:04PM on 03/25/2011
The biggest problem Singer made with making a nod at Donner's films was he automatically set himself up to be compared to Donner's characters. Singer's flat, pretty and WB television network characters made me miss their original counterparts all the more. Gene Hackman's charismatic Luther must've had a stroke in prison in order to make the continuity work for the coma induced Spacey Luther he became. Singer should have just made his own film.
The biggest problem Singer made with making a nod at Donner's films was he automatically set himself up to be compared to Donner's characters. Singer's flat, pretty and WB television network characters made me miss their original counterparts all the more. Gene Hackman's charismatic Luther must've had a stroke in prison in order to make the continuity work for the coma induced Spacey Luther he became. Singer should have just made his own film.
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7:18PM on 03/25/2011
"And if I was going to do another one, it would be a reboot. I would go back and redo the original, "

u.g.h.

"And if I was going to do another one, it would be a reboot. I would go back and redo the original, "

u.g.h.

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11:26AM on 03/26/2011

Television for Women

So when will Superman Returns make its first appearance on Lifetime or Oxygen?
So when will Superman Returns make its first appearance on Lifetime or Oxygen?
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4:23AM on 03/26/2011
The two main problems; no story and the fact that Routh can't act.

Lex trying to create a new continent with crystals, that was simply stupid.
The two main problems; no story and the fact that Routh can't act.

Lex trying to create a new continent with crystals, that was simply stupid.
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8:42AM on 03/26/2011
Routh CAN act. It's kinda hard to act in a film like this when you're instructed to imitate Christopher Reeve to a T.
Routh CAN act. It's kinda hard to act in a film like this when you're instructed to imitate Christopher Reeve to a T.
8:52AM on 03/26/2011
You could be right, it could be the movie that is obstructing his acting potential. But I guess he will prove himself worthy or not with the lead role in "Dylan Dog". A quick look at his IMDB profile and movie ratings, they don't impress much.
You could be right, it could be the movie that is obstructing his acting potential. But I guess he will prove himself worthy or not with the lead role in "Dylan Dog". A quick look at his IMDB profile and movie ratings, they don't impress much.
6:55PM on 03/25/2011

Meh

I understand what he was saying, but the fact is, the script for his Supes film was awful. Because he starts in the middle of the Superman saga, because he assumes we've seen the Richard Donner films (I have, but still) and because he tried to go for the Donner-style but failed miserably, it was just a really boring, confusing movie that happened to have Superman in it. He failed. Period. Sometimes movies fail and Superman Returns failed. Chalk it up to a bad script, bad production design (with
I understand what he was saying, but the fact is, the script for his Supes film was awful. Because he starts in the middle of the Superman saga, because he assumes we've seen the Richard Donner films (I have, but still) and because he tried to go for the Donner-style but failed miserably, it was just a really boring, confusing movie that happened to have Superman in it. He failed. Period. Sometimes movies fail and Superman Returns failed. Chalk it up to a bad script, bad production design (with everything having that golden glow-yness) but his Supes movie Sucked.
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6:59PM on 03/25/2011
wait, how was it confusing? I can get how some people might have been bored (I love it btw)but confusing?
wait, how was it confusing? I can get how some people might have been bored (I love it btw)but confusing?
7:07PM on 03/25/2011
Are you telling me that if you hadn't seen the Donner films you wouldn't be the least bit confused? Think about how many people were so young that they would've never bothered seeing a Superman movie made in the 70's with that paraplegic dude. I'm not being disrespectful, but the fact is most of the movie going public aren't film enthusiasts, just people looking for something mindless and fun on a Friday night. So asking them to be fully aware of the finer details to the story of a movie made
Are you telling me that if you hadn't seen the Donner films you wouldn't be the least bit confused? Think about how many people were so young that they would've never bothered seeing a Superman movie made in the 70's with that paraplegic dude. I'm not being disrespectful, but the fact is most of the movie going public aren't film enthusiasts, just people looking for something mindless and fun on a Friday night. So asking them to be fully aware of the finer details to the story of a movie made 30 years prior is asking a lot.
7:21PM on 03/25/2011
Agreed!
Agreed!
6:49PM on 03/25/2011
He can talk all he wants but the plot was boring, unnecessary, unmoving and SUPERMAN JUST LIFTED SHIT FOR 2 1/2 HOURS!!!!!! His comments about the chick flick audience is wrong too. Women at that time and now even more so love going to action oriented or superhero movies, I just don't think Superman appeals to every woman across the board. But Avatar and the Dark Knight wouldn't be the 1st and 3rd highest grossing films of all time without some ladies watching them.
He can talk all he wants but the plot was boring, unnecessary, unmoving and SUPERMAN JUST LIFTED SHIT FOR 2 1/2 HOURS!!!!!! His comments about the chick flick audience is wrong too. Women at that time and now even more so love going to action oriented or superhero movies, I just don't think Superman appeals to every woman across the board. But Avatar and the Dark Knight wouldn't be the 1st and 3rd highest grossing films of all time without some ladies watching them.
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2:29AM on 03/28/2011
Jesus Christ is defiantly not a myth, whether you believe he is the son of
God or not he was a real person who walked on this Earth. He did exist and it is fact which you won't find in the Bible but in History that over 500 people say the saw him alive after he was killed. A good portion of the Bible has been proven over years, especially from the New Testament. Oh yeah by the way, Superman Returns didn't suck or rock it was just ok.
Jesus Christ is defiantly not a myth, whether you believe he is the son of
God or not he was a real person who walked on this Earth. He did exist and it is fact which you won't find in the Bible but in History that over 500 people say the saw him alive after he was killed. A good portion of the Bible has been proven over years, especially from the New Testament. Oh yeah by the way, Superman Returns didn't suck or rock it was just ok.
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9:59AM on 03/26/2011

Hate Singer Even More Now

Im a big Superman fan been collecting since the Death of Superman. I love the Donner Films i even have the Donner Cut of Superman 2. Singer Acknowledges the fact that he wanted a romantic movie for Superman. He must have been high or something, because nothing about Superman is romantic. Yes the Relationship between Supes and Lois is romantic, but it is love at first sight theres no need for that much romance because we as an audience knows its there. And if we didn't Supes didn't romance Lois
Im a big Superman fan been collecting since the Death of Superman. I love the Donner Films i even have the Donner Cut of Superman 2. Singer Acknowledges the fact that he wanted a romantic movie for Superman. He must have been high or something, because nothing about Superman is romantic. Yes the Relationship between Supes and Lois is romantic, but it is love at first sight theres no need for that much romance because we as an audience knows its there. And if we didn't Supes didn't romance Lois off her feet. He did crazy Sh*t like save the world that got her panties wet. He made the filmlike some bad Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan movie. Superman is an Action hero. No.... he is the Action Hero. He is an alien with incredible powers that can change the world. Literally. He made Superman Gay. Seriously Superman wouldnt be looking at Lois like a peeping Tom, if he did like 8 people would die as he floated there. Whiel there needed to be a romantic aspect to the film, it should have been an action film and not a romantic. Seriously Im not sure about Singer too much anymore. The guys too dramatic and he brings that to his movies, even when it is not the right tone for it. I mean Superman doesn't even have a kid in the comics so where did that come from.

And for Pulp down there....Id hate to see your top ten movie list. i might die from laughter
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8:39PM on 03/26/2011
Listen man, I agree with most of your points but what the hell is 'He made Superman gay' supposed to mean?
Can gay men not be tough, does gay automatically mean mopey and weak? I'm gay and I'm freaking pissed off with it being used as a derogatory term. Good post in general but seriously, man, be a little less small minded
Listen man, I agree with most of your points but what the hell is 'He made Superman gay' supposed to mean?
Can gay men not be tough, does gay automatically mean mopey and weak? I'm gay and I'm freaking pissed off with it being used as a derogatory term. Good post in general but seriously, man, be a little less small minded
7:02PM on 03/25/2011

Furthermore

There is a way to update a classic style of film making. Spielberg did it with Raiders of the Lost Ark...But sometimes film style and story telling style changes and it's okay. He used TF as a scapegoat. SR didn't have to be like Transformers, but it should have utilized the SFX better. I think this is just a good example of why Superman doesn't work for our times. Superheroes in general are a somewhat obsolete notion and Superman is the Big Kahuna of the obsolete because he's so perfect,
There is a way to update a classic style of film making. Spielberg did it with Raiders of the Lost Ark...But sometimes film style and story telling style changes and it's okay. He used TF as a scapegoat. SR didn't have to be like Transformers, but it should have utilized the SFX better. I think this is just a good example of why Superman doesn't work for our times. Superheroes in general are a somewhat obsolete notion and Superman is the Big Kahuna of the obsolete because he's so perfect, because he has a million powers and a perfect image. The only Superhero that really works in our world is Iron Man. Why? Because Tony Stark is a philandering, alcoholic, womanizing celebrity and his "superpower" is 100% technology. Superman and the Moses story don't work anymore. Period.
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1:09PM on 03/26/2011

Where Was Clark Kent?

Parker Posey being awful aside, my biggest issue with this snoozefest is very simple- where the hell is Clark Kent throughout all of this? He's barely in the movie. One half of our main character is missing, the relatable half- of course it was boring, we didn't care about the going ons.
Parker Posey being awful aside, my biggest issue with this snoozefest is very simple- where the hell is Clark Kent throughout all of this? He's barely in the movie. One half of our main character is missing, the relatable half- of course it was boring, we didn't care about the going ons.
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7:12PM on 03/25/2011
Hey Bryan Singer, don't blame "The Devil Wears Prada!" Blame yourself for making an Art Piece flick instead of a Superhero Flick!
Hey Bryan Singer, don't blame "The Devil Wears Prada!" Blame yourself for making an Art Piece flick instead of a Superhero Flick!
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10:28PM on 03/25/2011
I dont think singer even watched the old Superman movies. Lets see, Superman stalks Lois, Supermans kid KILLS A MAN with a piano hmm, killing, shouldnt that have been addressed? Superman at the end of part 2 says that he will never leave again, or let us down, then in Returns he leaves. Supermans costume is dark, his S is small, as though he is not proud of his Kryptonian heritage. And that fact that Superman does not throw ONE PUNCH go back and watch it - he just gets his ass kicked by
I dont think singer even watched the old Superman movies. Lets see, Superman stalks Lois, Supermans kid KILLS A MAN with a piano hmm, killing, shouldnt that have been addressed? Superman at the end of part 2 says that he will never leave again, or let us down, then in Returns he leaves. Supermans costume is dark, his S is small, as though he is not proud of his Kryptonian heritage. And that fact that Superman does not throw ONE PUNCH go back and watch it - he just gets his ass kicked by some random thugs. Not to mention that fact that there is no love story or chemistry between Lois and Clark and Singer tries to put John Williams boisterous song in the credits only to lead to a boring movie with hardly any action and a serious lack of use of Superman and his powers. Go watch part 2 (Donner cut or original) and watch Metropolis be destroyed in a fantastic super-battle. Along with some nice moments of Lois finding out Supermans identity and nice little message about responsibility. PS maybe go read a CURRENT POST CRISIS Superman story and adapt that.
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10:56PM on 03/25/2011
I agree that Superman is weak in this film and he doesn't fight back at all. The whole Christ parellel leads to a very boring hero, because Jesus Christ is renown for not fighting back and submitting to abuse. The Jews in scriptures wanted him to be a hero that would rise up and defeat their enemies, and instead he let himself die on a cross. Putting this into the center of an action movie and having the hero personify this character lead to a passive, unexciting Superman. This film got a
I agree that Superman is weak in this film and he doesn't fight back at all. The whole Christ parellel leads to a very boring hero, because Jesus Christ is renown for not fighting back and submitting to abuse. The Jews in scriptures wanted him to be a hero that would rise up and defeat their enemies, and instead he let himself die on a cross. Putting this into the center of an action movie and having the hero personify this character lead to a passive, unexciting Superman. This film got a little too caught up in its allegory (and I'm one who can appreciate a Christian story parallel).

This "neutering" is very similar to what X-Men Origins: Wolverine did to the central character. Wolverine, who is supposed to be a beast, never kills anyone and in fact shows restraint. Who goes to a Wolverine movie to see a sensitive hero? The same people who want to see a passive Superman, I suppose.
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I dont think singer even watched the old Superman movies. Lets see, Superman stalks Lois, Supermans kid KILLS A MAN with a piano hmm, killing, shouldnt that have been addressed? Superman at the end of part 2 says that he will never leave again, or let us down, then in Returns he leaves. Supermans costume is dark, his S is small, as though he is not proud of his Kryptonian heritage. And that fact that Superman does not throw ONE PUNCH go back and watch it - he just gets his ass kicked by
I dont think singer even watched the old Superman movies. Lets see, Superman stalks Lois, Supermans kid KILLS A MAN with a piano hmm, killing, shouldnt that have been addressed? Superman at the end of part 2 says that he will never leave again, or let us down, then in Returns he leaves. Supermans costume is dark, his S is small, as though he is not proud of his Kryptonian heritage. And that fact that Superman does not throw ONE PUNCH go back and watch it - he just gets his ass kicked by some random thugs. Not to mention that fact that there is no love story or chemistry between Lois and Clark and Singer tries to put John Williams boisterous song in the credits only to lead to a boring movie with hardly any action and a serious lack of use of Superman and his powers. Go watch part 2 (Donner cut or original) and watch Metropolis be destroyed in a fantastic super-battle. Along with some nice moments of Lois finding out Supermans identity and nice little message about responsibility. PS maybe go read a CURRENT POST CRISIS Superman story and adapt that.
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4:48AM on 03/26/2011
Too long, didn't read, and nothing addressed Routh in the article as presented.

He didn't say "sorry that my movie sucked ass", so I don't really care his thoughts on what he wanted. He admits to trying to cater to the "romantics" and the "devil wears prada" crowd. FUCK YOU! This is a Superman movie, CATER TO THE SUPERMAN FANS! I loved Routh (despite having near to no lines, check it out again and tell me he's the actual main character) and I liked Spacey, but everything else was a waste of
Too long, didn't read, and nothing addressed Routh in the article as presented.

He didn't say "sorry that my movie sucked ass", so I don't really care his thoughts on what he wanted. He admits to trying to cater to the "romantics" and the "devil wears prada" crowd. FUCK YOU! This is a Superman movie, CATER TO THE SUPERMAN FANS! I loved Routh (despite having near to no lines, check it out again and tell me he's the actual main character) and I liked Spacey, but everything else was a waste of time.

Is it just me, or is there a reason that they have to reboot Superman, reboot X-Men (despite everyone still kissing Jackman's undeserving ass), and House is one bad day away from getting canceled?
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11:04PM on 03/26/2011
Note to Bryan: The story of Christ is NOT a myth.

Next time just say, "I'm sorry for making that dull rehash of a film known as Superman Returns. I've learned my lesson and won't do something that bad ever again."
Note to Bryan: The story of Christ is NOT a myth.

Next time just say, "I'm sorry for making that dull rehash of a film known as Superman Returns. I've learned my lesson and won't do something that bad ever again."
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11:24PM on 03/27/2011
Myth-a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

I think that is a pretty accurate description of Christ
Myth-a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

I think that is a pretty accurate description of Christ
6:00PM on 03/26/2011
The worst superhero movie ever made. And singer cannot direct action for crap. Look at the action scenes in X-Men1-2. Horrible.
The worst superhero movie ever made. And singer cannot direct action for crap. Look at the action scenes in X-Men1-2. Horrible.
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12:24PM on 03/26/2011

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Im a little distrubed by Bic Theifs comment. "profound impact on your life" "film came out exactly when i needed it the most" I hope your joking cause if your not u must be Singer's secret partner....watch out his gay husband might be coming after u
Im a little distrubed by Bic Theifs comment. "profound impact on your life" "film came out exactly when i needed it the most" I hope your joking cause if your not u must be Singer's secret partner....watch out his gay husband might be coming after u
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Im a little distrubed by Bic Theifs comment. "profound impact on your life" "film came out exactly when i needed it the most" I hope your joking cause if your not u must be Singer's secret partner....watch out his gay husband might be coming after u
Im a little distrubed by Bic Theifs comment. "profound impact on your life" "film came out exactly when i needed it the most" I hope your joking cause if your not u must be Singer's secret partner....watch out his gay husband might be coming after u
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