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Cameron on T4
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by: Dave Davis Dec. 17, 2009

Remember back when director McG claimed that TERMINATOR-creator James Cameron had given his "blessing" on TERMINATOR SALVATION?

That may not have actually been true, but Cameron did finally get around to seeing the movie that further diluted the fantastic cyborg franchise he created. Even though it sort of sounds like he subjected himself to it out of respect for his AVATAR star Sam Worthington.

As he tells UGO's Movie Blog: "I think Sam is remarkable in the film because, well, I think Sam is remarkable in anything he does."

Cameron gives McG a pseudo-compliment, but thinks he was "almost too referential to the mythos of the first and second film. He over-quoted them in a way? It didn't feel to me to be enough of a reinvention. I mean the thing we did with the second film is that we reinvented the first film completely; spun it on its ass and made the Terminator the good guy, and came up with a whole new concept for a villain, it felt fresh. I didn't feel the fourth picture was fresh enough."

As for his own iconic Austrian automaton, Cameron says SALVATION "lacked a certain stamp of authenticity because Arnold wasn't in it. I mean, he was in it briefly, digitally, but that's not the same thing."

Source: UGO Movie Blog

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Extra Tidbit: Would SALVATION's supposed original ending (with Connor becoming a cyborg) have improved the movie?

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joeyatog
6:48PM on 12/23/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I gotta disagree with most of ya
i definitely think T4 was worse than T3. *SPOILER* The humans are so stupid in T4. When they let Terminator boy go and created that big scene, how come the machines didn't find them and destroy them all? They made it seem like they could be found so easily yet when they are shooting up the place trying to stop Sam, surely some robots would have noticed!



I'm sorry, with no Arnold,...
i definitely think T4 was worse than T3. *SPOILER* The humans are so stupid in T4. When they let Terminator boy go and created that big scene, how come the machines didn't find them and destroy them all? They made it seem like they could be found so easily yet when they are shooting up the place trying to stop Sam, surely some robots would have noticed!



I'm sorry, with no Arnold, this franchise is just a lame duck. At least T3 had Arnie beatin the crap outta another Terminator! The truck chase scene in T3 alone is better than anything in T4!
 
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sliktuc
11:48AM on 12/21/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Salvation is the new Superman Returns
Terminator Salvation is being unnecessarily demonized just as Superman Returns was. Both movies were too hyped and were seen as garbage because they were only 7.5/10s, instead of the expected 9/10.



Do we need to wait 8 years for Tarantino to finally get around to writing about how underrated this film was, just like Superman Returns?



Salvation beat the teeth out...
Terminator Salvation is being unnecessarily demonized just as Superman Returns was. Both movies were too hyped and were seen as garbage because they were only 7.5/10s, instead of the expected 9/10.



Do we need to wait 8 years for Tarantino to finally get around to writing about how underrated this film was, just like Superman Returns?



Salvation beat the teeth out of Rise of the Machines.



I, for one, am looking forward to another attempt at this franchise.
 
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Slick Nick
8:52AM on 12/21/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Thats good
Its good that Cameron saw the movie. Its too bad he didnt either direct it or get involved in some way...McG missed the mark on a few things in this new movie, not that it was horrible, just parts could have been different.
Its good that Cameron saw the movie. Its too bad he didnt either direct it or get involved in some way...McG missed the mark on a few things in this new movie, not that it was horrible, just parts could have been different.
 
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Hip-Hop Legend
2:59AM on 12/21/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
wow so Cameron says the same thing I've been saying all along. Arnold should have been in it!
wow so Cameron says the same thing I've been saying all along. Arnold should have been in it!
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Paulie
4:26AM on 12/21/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Hey dumbshit. Arnold is too old by now.
Hey dumbshit. Arnold is too old by now.
 
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gameslave
2:21PM on 12/20/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
hmm
yeaahhh, they should have turned connor into a cyborg. that would have been badass- fighting fire with fire ya know.

the whole film was fun and entertaining for me- but thats not comparing it to how incredible cameron's terminator's were. the 4th film definitely lacked something fresh and new and unique. and the way they quoted previous films and really played it safe wiith the plot,...
yeaahhh, they should have turned connor into a cyborg. that would have been badass- fighting fire with fire ya know.

the whole film was fun and entertaining for me- but thats not comparing it to how incredible cameron's terminator's were. the 4th film definitely lacked something fresh and new and unique. and the way they quoted previous films and really played it safe wiith the plot, made me think they were just going by the numbers and sticking to a tried and true formula and were afraid to take any chances.
 
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randomerratum
9:56PM on 12/19/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Does it bother anyone else...
...that the title appears TWICE in the opening credits? Is it just me, or does that seem asinine to anyone else?
...that the title appears TWICE in the opening credits? Is it just me, or does that seem asinine to anyone else?
 
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Deadly Sinner
6:56PM on 12/19/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
"lacked a certain stamp of authenticity because Arnold wasn't in it. I mean, he was in it briefly, digitally, but that's not the same thing."



This coming from the guy who replaced most of his actors with digital counterparts?
"lacked a certain stamp of authenticity because Arnold wasn't in it. I mean, he was in it briefly, digitally, but that's not the same thing."



This coming from the guy who replaced most of his actors with digital counterparts?
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gameslave
2:18PM on 12/20/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
dont be naive. you know what he means here. arnold is the face of terminator franchise, without him, the movie was just missing that SOMETHING ya know?
dont be naive. you know what he means here. arnold is the face of terminator franchise, without him, the movie was just missing that SOMETHING ya know?
 
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lalex81
6:24PM on 12/19/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I just watched this last night, together with Wolverine Origins. I gave that 5/10 and T4 7/10

It really wasn't a bad film. I just think expectations are always high for the franchise and it didn't meet them. Also there were too many one dimmensional characters, pretty much everybody except Marcus and Kyle.

But the plot was decent, the twist interesting and I thought the digital...
I just watched this last night, together with Wolverine Origins. I gave that 5/10 and T4 7/10

It really wasn't a bad film. I just think expectations are always high for the franchise and it didn't meet them. Also there were too many one dimmensional characters, pretty much everybody except Marcus and Kyle.

But the plot was decent, the twist interesting and I thought the digital Arnie was great
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sliktuc
11:35AM on 12/21/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I agree completely.
I agree completely.
 
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Bobo the Panda
2:02AM on 12/19/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Come on guys...
This movie wasn't that bad. I'm not saying it's on par with Cameron's stuff but what is? Honestly...



It's way better that "Rise of the Machines" and I don't think that movie got half the shit...
This movie wasn't that bad. I'm not saying it's on par with Cameron's stuff but what is? Honestly...



It's way better that "Rise of the Machines" and I don't think that movie got half the shit...
 
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SpoonAZ
10:52PM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Connor Cyborg?
No thanks. It would've made an underwhelming movie an even bigger joke. Disaster averted.
No thanks. It would've made an underwhelming movie an even bigger joke. Disaster averted.
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The Only Woj
2:12PM on 12/19/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
how about the ORIGINAL ending where they find the Skynet complex to be a RESORT for cyborgs, with Terminators serving drinks poolside? there was a whole rundown of this somewhere, maybe CHUD months ago.
how about the ORIGINAL ending where they find the Skynet complex to be a RESORT for cyborgs, with Terminators serving drinks poolside? there was a whole rundown of this somewhere, maybe CHUD months ago.
 
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LoCkEd_N_LoAdEd
7:47PM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
i agree
with JC
with JC
 
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Sulaco
5:05PM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
And the posters for T4 are almost better than the movie in some respects.
And the posters for T4 are almost better than the movie in some respects.
 
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Sulaco
5:04PM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Seems like MCG is being caught in a web of lies with this whole thing.
Seems like MCG is being caught in a web of lies with this whole thing.
 
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ccapel
1:43PM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
You know Cameron's just holding back because Worthington is his movie star now. I'm sure he was rolling his eyes and swearing at the screen the whole way through.



Let's be honest. That flick was terrible. It felt like a shitty, 2 hour long music video.
You know Cameron's just holding back because Worthington is his movie star now. I'm sure he was rolling his eyes and swearing at the screen the whole way through.



Let's be honest. That flick was terrible. It felt like a shitty, 2 hour long music video.
 
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zohan
1:00PM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
i figured cameron would've torn him a new one. mainly b/c he's a douche bag.
i figured cameron would've torn him a new one. mainly b/c he's a douche bag.
 
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jubei4000
11:30AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I agree...
that was part of the problem for the film. The other was simply a weak ass script. The action scenes were the only thing that kept me in my seat for the whole film (the gunhead machine at the gas station was ridiculously awesome). don't think that ending would have helped at all.
that was part of the problem for the film. The other was simply a weak ass script. The action scenes were the only thing that kept me in my seat for the whole film (the gunhead machine at the gas station was ridiculously awesome). don't think that ending would have helped at all.
 
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Nvrnding
10:54AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Meh...
Say what you will about Salvation, I didn't think it was all that bad. My biggest problem with the movie is when John Conner gets a support beam through the chest and out his back, but is able to get up and walk away from it, and live until they fix him. In any other movie, that person would be dead...in fact, I can't count how many movies that someone dies like that.
Say what you will about Salvation, I didn't think it was all that bad. My biggest problem with the movie is when John Conner gets a support beam through the chest and out his back, but is able to get up and walk away from it, and live until they fix him. In any other movie, that person would be dead...in fact, I can't count how many movies that someone dies like that.
 
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Roger Smith
9:39AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
And he thinks the 3rd movie was good? Because Arnold was in that one? I liked SALVATION sorry Mr.Cameron (and still don`t buy AVATAR btw)
And he thinks the 3rd movie was good? Because Arnold was in that one? I liked SALVATION sorry Mr.Cameron (and still don`t buy AVATAR btw)
 
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snoopmish
9:12AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I agree with Ocelot..eventually they WOULD kind of figure that out..lol.



I am one of the few here that liked the film, I take it as a first chapter and am looking forward to another one.
I agree with Ocelot..eventually they WOULD kind of figure that out..lol.



I am one of the few here that liked the film, I take it as a first chapter and am looking forward to another one.
 
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Ocelot_Snake
5:52AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
ive always felt it was a little ridiculous that arnie was so important to the movies, because would the machines really make thousands of terminators (that were supposed to be infiltrators)that look the same? eventually the resistance would hand out a pic saying "watch out for this guy"
ive always felt it was a little ridiculous that arnie was so important to the movies, because would the machines really make thousands of terminators (that were supposed to be infiltrators)that look the same? eventually the resistance would hand out a pic saying "watch out for this guy"
 
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sixtiesdude64
5:42AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Found it funny how Cameron said the film lacked a stamp of authenticity because Arnold's performance was digital. Did the guy just forget about the film HE just made?
Found it funny how Cameron said the film lacked a stamp of authenticity because Arnold's performance was digital. Did the guy just forget about the film HE just made?
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Nutz
7:58AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
It seems that you don't understand his comment.
It seems that you don't understand his comment.
 
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brewsky99
5:00AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
i liked terminator:salvation but not sold on Worthington,his american accent was all over the place and at times sounded aussie.They are calling him the next R Crowe here........Yeah Right.
i liked terminator:salvation but not sold on Worthington,his american accent was all over the place and at times sounded aussie.They are calling him the next R Crowe here........Yeah Right.
 
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DeejayForte
1:28AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
How about having a good terminator survive for a second? Like predator, it's becoming repetitive. There was no reason to kill off Sam at the end of Salvation, especially if you aren't going to kill him in Combat.
How about having a good terminator survive for a second? Like predator, it's becoming repetitive. There was no reason to kill off Sam at the end of Salvation, especially if you aren't going to kill him in Combat.
 
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Vanity Ruins
1:15AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I love T2 as much as the next guy...
...but lets keep it real, Cameron. You made Arnold the good guy not because you thought it was "fresh" but because he became a major movie star in-between the first movie and the second and you didn't think you had a film without him.
...but lets keep it real, Cameron. You made Arnold the good guy not because you thought it was "fresh" but because he became a major movie star in-between the first movie and the second and you didn't think you had a film without him.
 
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Lucien12
12:26AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I would've dug if Connor had become half Terminator. It would've made a pretty cool 2nd (er, 5th) film and would've made listening to the poor dialogue and writing in Salvation worth it.



The Salvation script seemed like it was only half done and they just went ahead and made it.



McG is pretty good at translating page to screen but he doesn't dig deeper than what's...
I would've dug if Connor had become half Terminator. It would've made a pretty cool 2nd (er, 5th) film and would've made listening to the poor dialogue and writing in Salvation worth it.



The Salvation script seemed like it was only half done and they just went ahead and made it.



McG is pretty good at translating page to screen but he doesn't dig deeper than what's written. I'd say he falls into the same category as George Lucas as a director...good visually but doesn't seem too bothered with the actors.
 
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JohnLocke2342
12:21AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Agreed.. the movie felt hollow and emotionless to me.
Agreed.. the movie felt hollow and emotionless to me.
 
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razgriz21
11:35PM on 12/17/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Cameron should have just ripped McG a new one.
Cameron should have just ripped McG a new one.
 
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The Bodyguard
11:08PM on 12/17/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I thought Worthington sucked. I can't stand him. He is just tooting his horn so Avatar will have better buzz.
I thought Worthington sucked. I can't stand him. He is just tooting his horn so Avatar will have better buzz.
 
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John Law
10:55PM on 12/17/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Amusing how such a legendary hard-ass like Cameron doesn't want to hurt McG's feelings.
Amusing how such a legendary hard-ass like Cameron doesn't want to hurt McG's feelings.
 
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anomaly7
10:25PM on 12/17/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
I don't think killing Conner would be a good move, nor would a movie with just Marcus and Kyle. In TS, you can tell the Conner plot was a rushed afterthought, and it seemed like 2 half-scripts trying to fit into one movie. They desperately needed a better version of the script to save this movie. Despite it all, I'd still like to see another terminator movie to end the franchise on a high...
I don't think killing Conner would be a good move, nor would a movie with just Marcus and Kyle. In TS, you can tell the Conner plot was a rushed afterthought, and it seemed like 2 half-scripts trying to fit into one movie. They desperately needed a better version of the script to save this movie. Despite it all, I'd still like to see another terminator movie to end the franchise on a high notee. God help me.
 
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The_Soloist
10:17PM on 12/17/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
The Extra Tidbit...
I think the alternate ending would have ruined the franchise because Connor fighting something that he becomes later on in life would just ruin the whole adventure for me from trying to stay alive from these machines he has been running from his whole life.
I think the alternate ending would have ruined the franchise because Connor fighting something that he becomes later on in life would just ruin the whole adventure for me from trying to stay alive from these machines he has been running from his whole life.
 
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HedwigX
10:05PM on 12/17/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Kudos on Worthington praise
After Bale came on board, the planned Marcus-centric plot was shelved to bring in more John Connor. Fuck, I want to see that Marcus and Kyle Terminator movie. Salvation as it was sucked, except for Sam Worthington and Anton Yelchin.
After Bale came on board, the planned Marcus-centric plot was shelved to bring in more John Connor. Fuck, I want to see that Marcus and Kyle Terminator movie. Salvation as it was sucked, except for Sam Worthington and Anton Yelchin.
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brewsky99
5:23AM on 12/18/2009 Add as a friend | MFC profile
Worthington is a tosser,he,s wooden and believes his own press.In a recent interview talks about how he has turned down large number of roles that have gone to A listers and talked down to producers on how he would play a role.And how good of actor is he when his american accent goes down under.Have a lovely christmas and enjoy doctor who.
Worthington is a tosser,he,s wooden and believes his own press.In a recent interview talks about how he has turned down large number of roles that have gone to A listers and talked down to producers on how he would play a role.And how good of actor is he when his american accent goes down under.Have a lovely christmas and enjoy doctor who.
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