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Aug. 26, 2010by: Paul Tassi

James Cameron has a rather lengthy interview with the LA Times concerning the re-release of AVATAR in theaters. He claims that since ALICE IN WONDERLAND and HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON stole half his 3D screens when they were released, many people didn't get the chance to see it in its "true form."

I'm not here to debate the merits of the re-release, as I've already stated that yes, of course it's a cash grab, but it's a cash grab that the studio has every right to make. No one's forcing you to see it. But rather I wanted to focus on one quote near the end of the piece.

Cameron admires the universes created by George Lucas and Gene Roddenberry and the man who now has the two highest-grossing films of all-time (Cameron's "Titanic" from 1997 still floats there at No. 2 worldwide with $1.8 billion) openly admits that he aspires to compete with his own cosmic aspirations.

"You've got to compete head on with these other epic works of fantasy and fiction, the Tolkiens and the ‘Star Wars' and the ‘Star Treks,'" Cameron said. "People want a persistent alternate reality to invest themselves in and they want the detail that makes it rich and worth their time. They want to live somewhere else. Like Pandora."

Despite all its monetary and even critical accomplishments, I think that one thing the soon-to-be AVATAR series will NOT have is eternally lasting appeal like LOTR, STAR WARS or STAR TREK. Those franchises have been around for dozens and dozens of years, and you can "oh time will tell with AVATAR," but I just don't think the magic is there.

Why? Well if you ask me, it's the completely lack of a cast of memorable characters, something all the other series have, and the core reason as to why they work. Yes, they all have crazy action and great visuals, but it's the characters that are the most memorable pieces. The Fellowship of the Ring from LOTR, the crew from any STAR TREK ship, Vader, Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, etc. from STAR WARS. These are characters who have stayed with us most of our lives most likely.

Who does AVATAR have at this point? Jake Sully and Neytiri, as nearly all the extraneous characters, both heroes and villains alike, were killed off in the first film. And the fact is, giant blue people and a landsacpe of rainbow colored animals and plants is fundamentally not as cool of a universe as any of those other franchises. It may be well designed, and I may think AVATAR was a solid film, but one with lasting impact outside of its visuals? I think not.

What say you?

Extra Tidbit: Sam Worthington isn't even that convincing as a human, and it's even harder to empathize with him in a CGI body.
Source: LA Times

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3:51AM on 08/28/2010
A Han Solo, Spock, or Gandalf was missing from Avatar.

among many other things of course.
A Han Solo, Spock, or Gandalf was missing from Avatar.

among many other things of course.
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6:49PM on 08/27/2010
I'm not sold on Avatar being compelling unless a couple things happen.

The first would be some sort of game changer in the plot. Having Arnold become the good guy in T2 is a great example of this because it forced the characters, and audience, to view the "machines" in a different light and was far more interesting than just "new bad guy who's even more dangerous!".

The second would be for Cameron to re-realize that he's much better at writing compelling women than he is men (Sarah
I'm not sold on Avatar being compelling unless a couple things happen.

The first would be some sort of game changer in the plot. Having Arnold become the good guy in T2 is a great example of this because it forced the characters, and audience, to view the "machines" in a different light and was far more interesting than just "new bad guy who's even more dangerous!".

The second would be for Cameron to re-realize that he's much better at writing compelling women than he is men (Sarah Connor, Ripley, even Rose in Titanic had a more compelling character arc than Jack) and taking the focus off Jake Sully.

On a side note, I will defend to the grave that even though Cameron's Aliens is a decent movie it still pales in comparison to the first Alien from Ridley.
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4:34PM on 08/27/2010
I'm with Cameron, make as many Avatar's as possible. People have forgotten that before he was the king of the world, James Cameron was the king of the sequels. All of his second movies are better than most of his originals; Aliens and T2: Judgement Day anyone!? Also, he's never done a part 3 so his third Avatar might break the threequel curse. Sorry Return of the Jedi, I might love ou but I know fandom as a whole doesn't.
I'm with Cameron, make as many Avatar's as possible. People have forgotten that before he was the king of the world, James Cameron was the king of the sequels. All of his second movies are better than most of his originals; Aliens and T2: Judgement Day anyone!? Also, he's never done a part 3 so his third Avatar might break the threequel curse. Sorry Return of the Jedi, I might love ou but I know fandom as a whole doesn't.
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11:42AM on 08/27/2010
Avatar, while of course visually stunning, was an average-at-best movie, which I will probably never watch at home. The story, script and acting were seriously sub-par. If Cameron wants a persistant, lasting, investable world, it has to have substance and, as you say, characters we care about.
Avatar, while of course visually stunning, was an average-at-best movie, which I will probably never watch at home. The story, script and acting were seriously sub-par. If Cameron wants a persistant, lasting, investable world, it has to have substance and, as you say, characters we care about.
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11:40AM on 08/27/2010
Avatar, while of course visually stunning, was an average-at-best movie, which I will probably never watch at home. The story, script and acting were seriously sub-par. If Cameron wants a persistant, lasting, investable world, it has to have substance and, as you say, characters we care about.
Avatar, while of course visually stunning, was an average-at-best movie, which I will probably never watch at home. The story, script and acting were seriously sub-par. If Cameron wants a persistant, lasting, investable world, it has to have substance and, as you say, characters we care about.
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9:45AM on 08/27/2010

He already has his.....

when you consider Terminator. Just because he left doesn't mean he didn't create this other world for us to live in. I'm still hoping for another film about the war, we haven't even scratched the surface of that yet.
when you consider Terminator. Just because he left doesn't mean he didn't create this other world for us to live in. I'm still hoping for another film about the war, we haven't even scratched the surface of that yet.
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8:42AM on 08/27/2010
I consider myself a fan of Avatar. I loved the hell out of it.... Well, the visuals anyway. They were some of the most amazing effects I have ever seen but when I sit and think of the characters I find myself straining to remember a character I connected with. As for Star Wars, Trek and Lord of the Rings, Those movies had them in abundance. So as for Avatar having a life lasting effect, sorry Mr Cameron but you failed in that department.
I consider myself a fan of Avatar. I loved the hell out of it.... Well, the visuals anyway. They were some of the most amazing effects I have ever seen but when I sit and think of the characters I find myself straining to remember a character I connected with. As for Star Wars, Trek and Lord of the Rings, Those movies had them in abundance. So as for Avatar having a life lasting effect, sorry Mr Cameron but you failed in that department.
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6:51AM on 08/27/2010

I agree with Paul's answer, but not his logic...

Tolkien built LOTR on a foundation more solid than any previous fantasy story. The geography, politics and mythology were all very well thought-out. The Silmarillion may not have been done, but it was in his head and it was the foundational world in which The Hobbit and LOTR take place. That helped tremendously on the re-readability factor.

Similarly, Star Trek built up that world over time. Having NextGen take place 100 years AFTER the world already established in Original was genius
Tolkien built LOTR on a foundation more solid than any previous fantasy story. The geography, politics and mythology were all very well thought-out. The Silmarillion may not have been done, but it was in his head and it was the foundational world in which The Hobbit and LOTR take place. That helped tremendously on the re-readability factor.

Similarly, Star Trek built up that world over time. Having NextGen take place 100 years AFTER the world already established in Original was genius because, again, you're building on a foundation.

Star WARS is, I think, the weakest of the three. This is predominantly because the story BEGINS in chapter 4, before the foundation is built. And we all know that when he finally went back and BUILT that foundation in chapters 1-2-3, he kind of fucked it up a bit.

So enduring characters, yes, that's important. But I think the real test of time is going to lay on the shoulders of whether the politics, geography and mythology are firmly established and not messed with.

Oh, by the way, this is why Harry Potter is in danger of NOT being re-read 50 years from now (in contrast to LOTR) -- JKR did NOT have a concrete foundation...her "rules of magic" changed throughout the books...she also failed miserably to explain how an entire magic society (monsters and all) can actually, believably co-exist next to the "muggle world", which put cracks into her foundation. I predict Harry Potter will not survive the test of time, nor will Avater.
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9:42AM on 08/27/2010
Harry Potter will still be around long after Avatar, and with your Star Wars mention, you haven't even mentioned the countless books that have been written before and after both franchises. I particular like the Thrawn Trilogy. Would have made a great SW 7-9.
Harry Potter will still be around long after Avatar, and with your Star Wars mention, you haven't even mentioned the countless books that have been written before and after both franchises. I particular like the Thrawn Trilogy. Would have made a great SW 7-9.
2:57AM on 08/27/2010

I agree with you cupajoe: Terminator is his memorable film!

Yea I agree with you Tassi. There's no way Avatar is gonna be lasting like Star wars, star trek, or LOTR. I can't forget Alien or Predator either. I liked Avatar, but I don't think it had memorable characters like those films. Nothing beats seeing Darth Vader for the first time!
Yea I agree with you Tassi. There's no way Avatar is gonna be lasting like Star wars, star trek, or LOTR. I can't forget Alien or Predator either. I liked Avatar, but I don't think it had memorable characters like those films. Nothing beats seeing Darth Vader for the first time!
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8:09PM on 08/26/2010
Didn't he already create an amazing universe with The Terminator? Other people just fucked it up.
Didn't he already create an amazing universe with The Terminator? Other people just fucked it up.
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7:55PM on 08/26/2010

Lost my faith in Cameron

Once a huge fan of Cameron, I have now no interest in his future endeavors. Avatar really was not a good film. Visual effects aside nothing new was brought to the table. The story was weak and the acting was even worse. To make this into a trilogy is the worst idea I've ever heard. I know its been talked about since it made bank in theaters, but thats the only reason. If it didn't make $2.7 billion we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

I completely agree with Paul on all counts. This
Once a huge fan of Cameron, I have now no interest in his future endeavors. Avatar really was not a good film. Visual effects aside nothing new was brought to the table. The story was weak and the acting was even worse. To make this into a trilogy is the worst idea I've ever heard. I know its been talked about since it made bank in theaters, but thats the only reason. If it didn't make $2.7 billion we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

I completely agree with Paul on all counts. This just is not a good idea. There are no worth while characters to keep this franchise alive. We all know that the visuals would be fueling this. And that's it.
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7:54PM on 08/26/2010

You Already Did It

It was called Aliens. And then all your good characters got waxed in Alien 3.
Wah-wah-waaaaaaah. Sad Face.
It was called Aliens. And then all your good characters got waxed in Alien 3.
Wah-wah-waaaaaaah. Sad Face.
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7:48PM on 08/26/2010
Remember in Return of the King during that huge Minas Tirith battle, when we think the good guys are at the end of their rope and could be done for.. then you suddenly hear the horns of Rohan blowing in the distance and the camera tilts up to show thousands of horsemen standing there, ready to kick some ass? That shit gave me chills all over.

How about in Return of the Jedi when Luke decides to strike at Vader in the darkness and that deep Emperor theme plays. It gives me chills every
Remember in Return of the King during that huge Minas Tirith battle, when we think the good guys are at the end of their rope and could be done for.. then you suddenly hear the horns of Rohan blowing in the distance and the camera tilts up to show thousands of horsemen standing there, ready to kick some ass? That shit gave me chills all over.

How about in Return of the Jedi when Luke decides to strike at Vader in the darkness and that deep Emperor theme plays. It gives me chills every time!

Not once during Avatar did I get REALLY excited for something, or even moved by anything.. This is the problem. If he fixes this issue and gives us a better connection with the characters in Avatar 2, maybe we can forgive him lol.. But honestly i dont think he gives a shit when he looks at his bank statement.
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11:42AM on 08/27/2010
Word.
Word.
7:24PM on 08/26/2010
the stories he wants to do are going to center around more of pandora. I think if he really wanted to create this rich, vibrant universe for fans to cling to for the rest of their lives - I would personally find it much more interesting if the next story took place on the world they destroyed.
the stories he wants to do are going to center around more of pandora. I think if he really wanted to create this rich, vibrant universe for fans to cling to for the rest of their lives - I would personally find it much more interesting if the next story took place on the world they destroyed.
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7:01PM on 08/26/2010

He can do it.

I think Avatar more than has enough to be its own universe. The fist film is a great foundation to jump off and start something new. Who says he has to continue with the same characters in each film? Perhaps each movie will be like a one off episode? It's all made up. Anything can happen!

Now if only they made a better hard R Star Wars film...
I think Avatar more than has enough to be its own universe. The fist film is a great foundation to jump off and start something new. Who says he has to continue with the same characters in each film? Perhaps each movie will be like a one off episode? It's all made up. Anything can happen!

Now if only they made a better hard R Star Wars film...
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6:57PM on 08/26/2010
Avatar was okay for what it was, and to some degree I admire Cameron for his ambition, but I still feel like Avatar is being shoved down our throats. I'm not a Worthington hater, but Jake Sulley lacks the charisma of Indiana Jones, Jack Sparrow, Luke Skywalker, Marty McFly, Bruce Wayne, and other great characters who lead multiple films. Avatar 2 will either be like Terminator 2 and convince people that a great franchise is possible, or it'll be a disappointment and the craze will die down
Avatar was okay for what it was, and to some degree I admire Cameron for his ambition, but I still feel like Avatar is being shoved down our throats. I'm not a Worthington hater, but Jake Sulley lacks the charisma of Indiana Jones, Jack Sparrow, Luke Skywalker, Marty McFly, Bruce Wayne, and other great characters who lead multiple films. Avatar 2 will either be like Terminator 2 and convince people that a great franchise is possible, or it'll be a disappointment and the craze will die down after the initial 3D hysteria has passed.
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6:56PM on 08/26/2010
I really don't get why it's so cool to hate on Avatar. Cameron did deliver a pretty awesome movie and an entire new way to create movie worlds to tell stories in. How dare he try to widen the scope of what is possible with movies, the bastard.

And as far as the re-release being a cash grab, well when your film is still making 20 mil a weekend and you loose half your screens I think it's a fair call to say your film didn't reach it's full potential. For every film that's a sucess three more
I really don't get why it's so cool to hate on Avatar. Cameron did deliver a pretty awesome movie and an entire new way to create movie worlds to tell stories in. How dare he try to widen the scope of what is possible with movies, the bastard.

And as far as the re-release being a cash grab, well when your film is still making 20 mil a weekend and you loose half your screens I think it's a fair call to say your film didn't reach it's full potential. For every film that's a sucess three more aren't. Avatar's success will no doubt finance several other movies you may actually like.
Oh and what, he's an A-hole for being ambitious???
That's why he has the two biggest films in the world and you sleep on your moms couch.
Get a life you clowns.
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6:47PM on 08/26/2010
this is the reason that I scale back on commenting on this site. I agree with a lot of things, but I disagree with the passion to not like Avatar because of a one-dimensional thinking. I think the "folks" who want more complex characters are missing the beauty of the film in favor of needing an intellectual superiority over a commercial-type artist who is clearly passionate about what he does.

two-cents.

Star Wars is FULL of flat characters. The first time I ever remembered watching
this is the reason that I scale back on commenting on this site. I agree with a lot of things, but I disagree with the passion to not like Avatar because of a one-dimensional thinking. I think the "folks" who want more complex characters are missing the beauty of the film in favor of needing an intellectual superiority over a commercial-type artist who is clearly passionate about what he does.

two-cents.

Star Wars is FULL of flat characters. The first time I ever remembered watching Star Wars, I was passionately ready to hate Luke for the rest of the series, but as time went on, and my intellect subsided in favor of my emotional core, that whiny kid from the first film became my favorite.

Avatar is not prefect. But hating it is such a waste of time.
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6:47PM on 08/26/2010

i am your god!!

i agree whole-heartedly with the lack-of-characters statement. yes, avatar was visually spectacular and a pretty good tale. but, i didn't really care about ANYBODY. there were NO lasting characters at all. cameron's head is way too big now.
i agree whole-heartedly with the lack-of-characters statement. yes, avatar was visually spectacular and a pretty good tale. but, i didn't really care about ANYBODY. there were NO lasting characters at all. cameron's head is way too big now.
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5:02PM on 08/26/2010

BOO!

I was blinded by the spectacular visuals on first viewing, took my mom to see it in 3d and by the time they were banging, i was ready to get the hell out of there. These will never hold up to LOTR or Star Wars. Cant stand Cameron and i hope no one see's his bullshit re-release.
I was blinded by the spectacular visuals on first viewing, took my mom to see it in 3d and by the time they were banging, i was ready to get the hell out of there. These will never hold up to LOTR or Star Wars. Cant stand Cameron and i hope no one see's his bullshit re-release.
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4:52PM on 08/26/2010

Let the Flaming Begin

I know that I am amongst the minority of people in the world that did not like Avatar. I have accepted that. What I can't accept is James Cameron thinking that he can come anywhere close to the epic scale of Tolkien, the visual genius of Lucas, or the versatility of Rodenberry. Avatar won't ever be in that realm, because the character are too flat. No one is going to care in the long run.
I know that I am amongst the minority of people in the world that did not like Avatar. I have accepted that. What I can't accept is James Cameron thinking that he can come anywhere close to the epic scale of Tolkien, the visual genius of Lucas, or the versatility of Rodenberry. Avatar won't ever be in that realm, because the character are too flat. No one is going to care in the long run.
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4:16PM on 08/26/2010
I think we should wait and see what he does with Avatar 2 (and 3?) before everyone starts going off on how this will not be a memorable franchise. He now knows that people complain about the characters and plot, so maybe he will work on that.

But, even if he doesn't I'll still watch it because it is interesting. I just wonder what else is on this planet and the planets around it. I am also hoping that we can see more space shots and stuff.

But, all-in-all I think it is too early for both
I think we should wait and see what he does with Avatar 2 (and 3?) before everyone starts going off on how this will not be a memorable franchise. He now knows that people complain about the characters and plot, so maybe he will work on that.

But, even if he doesn't I'll still watch it because it is interesting. I just wonder what else is on this planet and the planets around it. I am also hoping that we can see more space shots and stuff.

But, all-in-all I think it is too early for both sides to judge the Avatar franchise with this.
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3:57PM on 08/26/2010

Sorry James

But people can only take three hour video game cutscenes for so long.
But people can only take three hour video game cutscenes for so long.
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2:46PM on 08/26/2010
James Cameron is awesome.
James Cameron is awesome.
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3:56PM on 08/26/2010
Correction: James Cameron was awesome.
Correction: James Cameron was awesome.
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2:34PM on 08/26/2010

Character Flaws

Couldn't agree more. The big-whiz-bang WORLD that Cameron created is real neat... but where is the potatoes? Where is the meat? Without big memorable characters and relationships told through idle banter, there is no connective tissue. It's just a fireworks show. Nothing more.
Couldn't agree more. The big-whiz-bang WORLD that Cameron created is real neat... but where is the potatoes? Where is the meat? Without big memorable characters and relationships told through idle banter, there is no connective tissue. It's just a fireworks show. Nothing more.
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4:16PM on 08/26/2010
Exactly. His characters are 2D at best. Those other sagas he's quoting are just miles ahead of him in terms of character development and depth.
Exactly. His characters are 2D at best. Those other sagas he's quoting are just miles ahead of him in terms of character development and depth.
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2:24PM on 08/26/2010

characters...

Star Wars Star trek, and Tolkien's work had cool characters because they did not have a THE HUGE amount of technology to tall back on that AVATAR did/does.
Star Wars Star trek, and Tolkien's work had cool characters because they did not have a THE HUGE amount of technology to tall back on that AVATAR did/does.
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4:17PM on 08/26/2010
SO WTF is that supposed to mean? If you have a big FX budget, it doesn't matter if you have a good script?

A lesser man would call you a moron.
SO WTF is that supposed to mean? If you have a big FX budget, it doesn't matter if you have a good script?

A lesser man would call you a moron.
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2:08PM on 08/26/2010

Tolkien not Tolkein

fix your headline Mr Tassi...
fix your headline Mr Tassi...
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1:59PM on 08/26/2010

Wow..

Seems the more he talks through his asshole and forces a bland movie down people's throat (And whining all the time) I will lose all respect for this guy. I will see T2 and Aliens being great movies done by a hack selfish director. He didn't shove Those movies being epics in every magazine and they are CLASSICS. He's wanting THIS movie to be his movie and people are all agreeing that bro, you've done better and if you don't get out of pandora, it may be over.
Seems the more he talks through his asshole and forces a bland movie down people's throat (And whining all the time) I will lose all respect for this guy. I will see T2 and Aliens being great movies done by a hack selfish director. He didn't shove Those movies being epics in every magazine and they are CLASSICS. He's wanting THIS movie to be his movie and people are all agreeing that bro, you've done better and if you don't get out of pandora, it may be over.
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4:10PM on 08/26/2010
You can't honestly tell me that Titanic is not a classic.. Avatar is a great movie, visual wise and 3D wise. So what the script and characters aren't to par.
You can't honestly tell me that Titanic is not a classic.. Avatar is a great movie, visual wise and 3D wise. So what the script and characters aren't to par.
1:49PM on 08/26/2010

Sorry Jimmy

While Avatar was a visual tour de force, the characters just weren't strong enough to have the lasting impact of a Star Wars or LOTR. I actually just put together an "Ode to Modern Sci-Fi Films" which features some of the best sc-fi films of the past 15 years. Check it out on Youtube if you care. Just search for "Ode to Sci-Fi films" or FilmBufffff or check out the link: [link] ">
While Avatar was a visual tour de force, the characters just weren't strong enough to have the lasting impact of a Star Wars or LOTR. I actually just put together an "Ode to Modern Sci-Fi Films" which features some of the best sc-fi films of the past 15 years. Check it out on Youtube if you care. Just search for "Ode to Sci-Fi films" or FilmBufffff or check out the link: [link]
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1:35PM on 08/26/2010
i could not agree more. though yes, avatar was a geat movie, it comes nowhere close to star wars, lord of the rings, or even star trek, and im not a star trek fan. probably the greatest visual movie ever, yes. i agree with that, i get that. but when it comes to a connection with its characters, and a plot line to invest in, it falls short
i could not agree more. though yes, avatar was a geat movie, it comes nowhere close to star wars, lord of the rings, or even star trek, and im not a star trek fan. probably the greatest visual movie ever, yes. i agree with that, i get that. but when it comes to a connection with its characters, and a plot line to invest in, it falls short
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1:35PM on 08/26/2010

Give the man his day in court

We've done it before. 2.7 Billion.
We've done it before. 2.7 Billion.
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1:27PM on 08/26/2010
I agree with everything that said on the matter, Aliens, The Terminator, and T2 are indeed masterpieces but the dude is so full of himself now comparing Avatar with those other franchises. I won't deny that Battle Angel Alita does sound interesting though, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but we shall see.
I agree with everything that said on the matter, Aliens, The Terminator, and T2 are indeed masterpieces but the dude is so full of himself now comparing Avatar with those other franchises. I won't deny that Battle Angel Alita does sound interesting though, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but we shall see.
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1:21PM on 08/26/2010

Cameron must be stuck in Limbo

Seriously, what is Cameron thinking? Forcing a franchise down people's throat doesn't guarantee a following. What made Star Wars and Lord of the Rings so great were their compelling stories combined with their visuals. Avatar isn't going to have a following because even though Pandora is huge, it didn't feel that large since we were following a handicap veteran the entire time.
Seriously, what is Cameron thinking? Forcing a franchise down people's throat doesn't guarantee a following. What made Star Wars and Lord of the Rings so great were their compelling stories combined with their visuals. Avatar isn't going to have a following because even though Pandora is huge, it didn't feel that large since we were following a handicap veteran the entire time.
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1:20PM on 08/26/2010

Persistent Reality

Cameron had the right idea with characters in Terminator 1&2 . With Avatar, he's too focused on the world flora and fauna to flesh out characters worthy of ongoing stories.
Cameron had the right idea with characters in Terminator 1&2 . With Avatar, he's too focused on the world flora and fauna to flesh out characters worthy of ongoing stories.
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1:12PM on 08/26/2010
Here's the inherent problem with Avatar, and the reason it will never become Star Wars/Star Trek or hell even Harry Potter.

Who wants to live on Pandora? Yeah, I'd love to go to a planet where, as a human, I'm either a one-dimensional asshole villain or a one-dimensional self-loathing asshole whose only happy if they can "trade up" to a "superior" race. There is no sense of escapism. Basically the message is "if you're a human, you're a putz, and these cats are way cooler than you'll ever
Here's the inherent problem with Avatar, and the reason it will never become Star Wars/Star Trek or hell even Harry Potter.

Who wants to live on Pandora? Yeah, I'd love to go to a planet where, as a human, I'm either a one-dimensional asshole villain or a one-dimensional self-loathing asshole whose only happy if they can "trade up" to a "superior" race. There is no sense of escapism. Basically the message is "if you're a human, you're a putz, and these cats are way cooler than you'll ever be." Yeah, that makes me want to live there . . .
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1:06PM on 08/26/2010
The biggest issue here is the re-watchable factor of Avatar. I think we can all agree that seeing this movie for the first time in IMAX3-D was really something else. It was an experience. It felt a little bit more like a trip to check out some cool ass advancements in technology then it did watching a movie. Then once we dusted off the glitter that is the 3-D and CGI we were left with a very basic rehased story with characters we couldn't care about. I mean.. honestly.. who really thought
The biggest issue here is the re-watchable factor of Avatar. I think we can all agree that seeing this movie for the first time in IMAX3-D was really something else. It was an experience. It felt a little bit more like a trip to check out some cool ass advancements in technology then it did watching a movie. Then once we dusted off the glitter that is the 3-D and CGI we were left with a very basic rehased story with characters we couldn't care about. I mean.. honestly.. who really thought that Worthington would die? That he wouldn't be the chosen one? That the next leader in charge of the Navi wouldn't ultimately respect him right before he dies? After we all attempted to watch it again in our homes it completely lost that Wow factor and we saw it for what it was.
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1:05PM on 08/26/2010
Good luck with that, Jim.

Seriously, when even your best creation, Terminator, was bit from a short story by Harlan Ellison, you lost the credibility to create anything original. Avatard just sealed the deal.
Good luck with that, Jim.

Seriously, when even your best creation, Terminator, was bit from a short story by Harlan Ellison, you lost the credibility to create anything original. Avatard just sealed the deal.
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1:01PM on 08/26/2010

Sorry Jimmy...

A movie has to have re-watchable qualities about it in order to have the massive appeal that the movies mentioned have. Sorry Cameron but I could barely watch Avatar the first time. Yeah you created a planet with cool stuff on it. But these other movies have sooooo much more going on. And the best part?... they have memorable characters and stories that we actually give a shit about. Sam Worthington is also a massive hack...
A movie has to have re-watchable qualities about it in order to have the massive appeal that the movies mentioned have. Sorry Cameron but I could barely watch Avatar the first time. Yeah you created a planet with cool stuff on it. But these other movies have sooooo much more going on. And the best part?... they have memorable characters and stories that we actually give a shit about. Sam Worthington is also a massive hack...
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12:45PM on 08/26/2010
Avatar really had so much fucking potential. If he could have added some fucking plot twists and cast real actors instead of cardboard cutouts of Sigourney Weaver, the loser from Grandma's Boy and Sam Worthington.. wow. Could have been something else.
Avatar really had so much fucking potential. If he could have added some fucking plot twists and cast real actors instead of cardboard cutouts of Sigourney Weaver, the loser from Grandma's Boy and Sam Worthington.. wow. Could have been something else.
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12:50PM on 08/26/2010
Agree, it could have been better. Although, it is still entertaining.
Agree, it could have been better. Although, it is still entertaining.
12:31PM on 08/26/2010

WHATEVER ...

... you say, Jim. BTW, your last great movie was made more than 15 years ago. Think about that.
... you say, Jim. BTW, your last great movie was made more than 15 years ago. Think about that.
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12:30PM on 08/26/2010
It was a good movie, but I think Cameron's previous movies like Terminator 1 and 2, and Aliens are more memorable films and will be movies that most movie fans will remember more.
It was a good movie, but I think Cameron's previous movies like Terminator 1 and 2, and Aliens are more memorable films and will be movies that most movie fans will remember more.
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12:32PM on 08/26/2010
Even Abyss, but Avatar will never have any characters anywhere close to as memorable as John, Sarah Connor, or Ripley.
Even Abyss, but Avatar will never have any characters anywhere close to as memorable as John, Sarah Connor, or Ripley.
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12:29PM on 08/26/2010

Can you Plan this?

I agree with you dude. Something that I believe most people miss is that Tolkien, Roddenberry, and Lucas didn't set out to create stories that would capture whole generations of people. They created something they believed in (actually threw all that they had into it's creation, they believed so much) that was completely brand new. No one had ever seen or heard of anything like it before, and the 'people' became captivated by it. Cameron is way off in the fact that he believes he can force
I agree with you dude. Something that I believe most people miss is that Tolkien, Roddenberry, and Lucas didn't set out to create stories that would capture whole generations of people. They created something they believed in (actually threw all that they had into it's creation, they believed so much) that was completely brand new. No one had ever seen or heard of anything like it before, and the 'people' became captivated by it. Cameron is way off in the fact that he believes he can force something like that happen.
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12:28PM on 08/26/2010
Like I said before on a previous post, Cameron needs to take a note from Lucas: Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. While Avatar has obviously out performed any of the new Star Wars films financially and creatively, he's not perfect and the rerelease is showing signs of his ego taking over.
Like I said before on a previous post, Cameron needs to take a note from Lucas: Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. While Avatar has obviously out performed any of the new Star Wars films financially and creatively, he's not perfect and the rerelease is showing signs of his ego taking over.
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12:27PM on 08/26/2010

About Time!!!

you're so right avatar was just a bunch of ciched characters in a really tedious scenario while the themes didnt resonate with me or anybody i knew who saw it But those other fanchises have stood the test of time because they all broke ground with star trek it was race, with star wars it was creating a modern day myhtology and Lord of the rings was the theme of the strength of one over all plus those franchises (star wars (4-6) had great actors while avatar only really had zoe saldana who just
you're so right avatar was just a bunch of ciched characters in a really tedious scenario while the themes didnt resonate with me or anybody i knew who saw it But those other fanchises have stood the test of time because they all broke ground with star trek it was race, with star wars it was creating a modern day myhtology and Lord of the rings was the theme of the strength of one over all plus those franchises (star wars (4-6) had great actors while avatar only really had zoe saldana who just rocked that film I feel we have a ways to go before we find the next genre big thing but i know it wont involve a film who uses a gimmick to patch up bad acting, worse script and some really inept directing
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12:20PM on 08/26/2010
why compete?
avatar 2 = a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, na'vi hobbits use something called the fo'rce to go where no na'vi has gone before.
why compete?
avatar 2 = a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, na'vi hobbits use something called the fo'rce to go where no na'vi has gone before.
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12:16PM on 08/26/2010
It's a great tribute to both Roddenberry & Lucas. Both may have died a long time ago, but their messages will live in our hearts forever.
It's a great tribute to both Roddenberry & Lucas. Both may have died a long time ago, but their messages will live in our hearts forever.
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12:15PM on 08/26/2010

Cameron is a cocky SOB.

Great article Paul and I agree with you. "Avatar" is a technical accomplishment and nothing more. It won't have the staying power of "Star Wars" and "Star Trek." There just isn't anything remotely memorable beyond its special effects. The landscape upon which Cameron created is so saccharine and lifeless, it's quite tedious at times, and there are zero iconic characters at this point. Jake Sully was flat as hell and broadly characterized, Neytiri was also very cliche and boring, everyone else
Great article Paul and I agree with you. "Avatar" is a technical accomplishment and nothing more. It won't have the staying power of "Star Wars" and "Star Trek." There just isn't anything remotely memorable beyond its special effects. The landscape upon which Cameron created is so saccharine and lifeless, it's quite tedious at times, and there are zero iconic characters at this point. Jake Sully was flat as hell and broadly characterized, Neytiri was also very cliche and boring, everyone else just shambled around with lifeless expressions, this is not a lasting series. Everything has a fanbase to it, it doesn't mean it's going to reach the epic proportions of "Lord of the Rings." Not by a long shot.
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12:13PM on 08/26/2010
It's a great tribute to both Roddenberry & Lucas. Both may have died a long time ago, but their messages will live in our hearts forever.
It's a great tribute to both Roddenberry & Lucas. Both may have died a long time ago, but their messages will live in our hearts forever.
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12:11PM on 08/26/2010
I agree with you 100%.
I agree with you 100%.
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12:10PM on 08/26/2010
Sorry Cameron but those franchises leave your ass in the dust. And theyre far more creative than completely lifting a people's culture and putting it in a movie without changing a damn thing about it
Sorry Cameron but those franchises leave your ass in the dust. And theyre far more creative than completely lifting a people's culture and putting it in a movie without changing a damn thing about it
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12:06PM on 08/26/2010
Man... Cameron is really full of himself. I didn't find his world half as interesting as the other ones. To make his "world" really memorable, he'd better introduce other more interesting races than his Schmurfs... or however you spell it. The soldiers and their mechs were the only cool thing about Avatar.
Man... Cameron is really full of himself. I didn't find his world half as interesting as the other ones. To make his "world" really memorable, he'd better introduce other more interesting races than his Schmurfs... or however you spell it. The soldiers and their mechs were the only cool thing about Avatar.
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12:00PM on 08/26/2010
the movie becomes, by a fucking landslide, the highest grossing movie of all time, and you're doubting it's lasting appeal?! are you fucking high?
the movie becomes, by a fucking landslide, the highest grossing movie of all time, and you're doubting it's lasting appeal?! are you fucking high?
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12:22PM on 08/26/2010
Since when does money equal creativity? Transformers 2 made bank, do you think that was a good movie? So, in response to your questions, yes, and not yet.
Since when does money equal creativity? Transformers 2 made bank, do you think that was a good movie? So, in response to your questions, yes, and not yet.
11:58AM on 08/26/2010

Can't compare

I was trying to remember any of the names of the avatar characters and couldn't think of one until they were named at the end.
I was trying to remember any of the names of the avatar characters and couldn't think of one until they were named at the end.
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11:57AM on 08/26/2010
I agree with your article. I don't think Avatar has an ever lasting appeal, but by shoving it down our throats and making a couple sequels full of clichs and name repetition, the kids growing up will love this like we loved Star Wars.

The one franchise that I thought did an amazing job building up lore and setting itself up for an expanding universe through multi mediums is a franchise that people turned their back to. The Matrix. It may seem like a couple of shitty sequels but there's so
I agree with your article. I don't think Avatar has an ever lasting appeal, but by shoving it down our throats and making a couple sequels full of clichs and name repetition, the kids growing up will love this like we loved Star Wars.

The one franchise that I thought did an amazing job building up lore and setting itself up for an expanding universe through multi mediums is a franchise that people turned their back to. The Matrix. It may seem like a couple of shitty sequels but there's so much to sink your teeth into. I would have loved more to come out of those. Oh well. James Cameron (and fans) know what they need and want. Apparently that's more blue.

I won't be watching it or it's sequels, big screen or small. They tricked me out of my money once. That's enough.

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11:56AM on 08/26/2010

Meh

Avatar was a good one time watch. I think he made the Navi waaaaay to gay looking. They aren't cool looking at all in my opinion. And I agree with you 100% on there not being any great characters. Not even Jake Sully was a great character. He is going to have to step his game up big time with the next one to even be in the same league as Star Wars and Star Trek.
Avatar was a good one time watch. I think he made the Navi waaaaay to gay looking. They aren't cool looking at all in my opinion. And I agree with you 100% on there not being any great characters. Not even Jake Sully was a great character. He is going to have to step his game up big time with the next one to even be in the same league as Star Wars and Star Trek.
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11:56AM on 08/26/2010
For me, there is no relatable characters in Avatar. There is no Han, Luke, etc., that I can relate to or feel sympathy for.

The characters in Avatar are all Jar Jar Binks (albeit not nearly as annoying) and computer animated giant creatures. Not the same connection.
For me, there is no relatable characters in Avatar. There is no Han, Luke, etc., that I can relate to or feel sympathy for.

The characters in Avatar are all Jar Jar Binks (albeit not nearly as annoying) and computer animated giant creatures. Not the same connection.
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11:55AM on 08/26/2010
I think you've hit the nail on the head, Paul. I can't remember a single line or a character moment from that film. It was solid, but it is missing vibrant characters.
I think you've hit the nail on the head, Paul. I can't remember a single line or a character moment from that film. It was solid, but it is missing vibrant characters.
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11:53AM on 08/26/2010
Cant fault the guy for wanting to make as much as he can, thats the American way. But Star Wars and Star Trek are imbedded in our very culture. I mean you hear references to these movies all the time in every aspect of our daily lives. This is where I think Cameron is an ego-maniac in wanting to be a cultural icon like lucas and rodenberry are
Cant fault the guy for wanting to make as much as he can, thats the American way. But Star Wars and Star Trek are imbedded in our very culture. I mean you hear references to these movies all the time in every aspect of our daily lives. This is where I think Cameron is an ego-maniac in wanting to be a cultural icon like lucas and rodenberry are
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