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Captain America: The Winter Soldier will bring a significant shift to the Marvel movie universe

Jul. 23, 2013by: Niki Stephens

I thought this little juicy tidbit of information might be something delicious for you guys to chew on.

During an interview with /Film, writers Anthony and Joe Russo dug a little deeper offering up that there was going to be a "significant shift" for the Marvel movie universe within CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER. A lot of exciting comic movie news was dropped at Comic Con but what could this possibly be?

Let's dive into the interview for clues:

/Film: Technically speaking, is this a sequel to Captain America or is this a sequel to The Avengers? The title suggests one thing, but the chronology suggests another.

Joe Russo: Its a little bit of a sequel to both. I mean obviously the character has advanced. Hes been frozen for seventy years. It has narrative elements that tie to the first movie and it has narrative elements that tie directly to The Avengers and also has narrative elements that tie directly to Avengers 2. I think, and Kevin [Feige] has said this, its as big of a bridge of any of the Phase 2 movies from Avengers to Avengers 2. Theres a significant shift in the universe at the end of this movie. Like all of the Marvel movies it has elements of all of the other films, this one I think has probably the strongest bond between those goals.

/Film: That suggests that you have a lot of structural Marvel Universe stuff to do while youre also crafting character-centric action.

JR: The interesting thing about that is that the script was structured so well that its not really something that The things that happen in the movie are really germane to the movie and germane to Cap. The big shift in the universe happens because of him. Its not something where we had to feel like we had to patchwork in all of these other narrative elements, its really Markus and McFeely wrote an amazing script that really streamlined this concept that Kevin wanted to get out there.

Anthony Russo: And its very personal to Cap, too. I think thats the other thing, even though its a big event that connects it to the rest of the universe, its very much Caps relationship to that and we enter the whole thing through him. So its all riding on his shoulders and in terms of his experience at this moment with this movie.

Could this have something to do with Ultron? What about S.H.I.E.L.D.? Does Cap go rogue? What could potential effect the rest of the Marvel universe? I think your guesses are as good as any.

Source: /Film

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9:06PM on 07/24/2013

How bout these for future Avengers movies?

Avengers: The Infinity Gauntlet
Avengers: The Kang Dynasty
Avengers: The Masters of Evil
Avengers: Galactic Storm
endless possibilites.
Avengers: The Infinity Gauntlet
Avengers: The Kang Dynasty
Avengers: The Masters of Evil
Avengers: Galactic Storm
endless possibilites.
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7:40PM on 07/24/2013

Go Marvel

I'm a DC guy, but love Marvels movies thus far. I love their interconnection and detail in plot strategy. It pisses me off DC is going a different route on this, lazy fu*ks.
I'm a DC guy, but love Marvels movies thus far. I love their interconnection and detail in plot strategy. It pisses me off DC is going a different route on this, lazy fu*ks.
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6:38PM on 07/24/2013

Scene after the credits....

Caps all like flame on then Hulks like SMASH then Stark is like "fuck u I'm Iron Man" then Thors like HAMMAAA! Then Thanos smiles and we never get to see him again.
Caps all like flame on then Hulks like SMASH then Stark is like "fuck u I'm Iron Man" then Thors like HAMMAAA! Then Thanos smiles and we never get to see him again.
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10:38AM on 07/24/2013
CIVIL WAR should be a Phase 4 storyline, after THE INFINITY GUNTLET. Phase 5 should be PLANET HULK / WORLD WAR HULK
CIVIL WAR should be a Phase 4 storyline, after THE INFINITY GUNTLET. Phase 5 should be PLANET HULK / WORLD WAR HULK
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9:58AM on 07/24/2013

Civil War

Could this lead to the assassination of Cap? The Civil War could make a good starting point for Phase 3....
Could this lead to the assassination of Cap? The Civil War could make a good starting point for Phase 3....
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9:19AM on 07/24/2013
Shift in the Marvel Universe? I think it will boil down to two things, Cap striking out on his own and running the Avengers full time without SHIELD's help. This can lead into a Phase 3 storyline regarding the Civil War that spans across all the solo films, granted it will have many liberties taken with the story line. But my guess is that through out all of the infighting of Earth's heroes, it leads into Avengers 3 and Thanos uses it to his advantage to begin waging war on Earth for the
Shift in the Marvel Universe? I think it will boil down to two things, Cap striking out on his own and running the Avengers full time without SHIELD's help. This can lead into a Phase 3 storyline regarding the Civil War that spans across all the solo films, granted it will have many liberties taken with the story line. But my guess is that through out all of the infighting of Earth's heroes, it leads into Avengers 3 and Thanos uses it to his advantage to begin waging war on Earth for the Cosmic Cube/Infinity Gems.


That's one angle. My other idea is much less complicated. But I think the writers are being a little coy with their statement that it will change/impact the entire Marvel Universe. I think the idea of having Iron Man exist in the world, now Winter Soldier with a bionic arm - the door will be open for robotics and experimentation with AI and it will be a lead in to Avengers 2 with Ultron. Because how much can they really impact the rest of the MCU before Avengers 2? I mean by the time this opens, we'll have already have 3/4 of the Phase 2 films out in theatres, and from everything I've read GOTG has little to do with the storylines of the earthbound heroes. So by "significant shift" I really think they're over reaching and what it really means is that Avengers 2 will pick up from the events of Cap2.
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8:52AM on 07/24/2013
Based on the directors alone, this project hasn't gotten me excited. However, I'm at least hopeful it'll live up to the numerous praise of it being a political thriller versus standard superhero sequel. And in regards to this significant shift, it's probably Black Widow joining Winter Soldier or Captain America going rogue after discovering the corruption within SHIELD.
Based on the directors alone, this project hasn't gotten me excited. However, I'm at least hopeful it'll live up to the numerous praise of it being a political thriller versus standard superhero sequel. And in regards to this significant shift, it's probably Black Widow joining Winter Soldier or Captain America going rogue after discovering the corruption within SHIELD.
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8:08AM on 07/24/2013

Infinity Gauntlet?

this may be the kick off to the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. In the comics it started in books that Marvel doesnt have the movie rights to (Surfer) or never developed (Quasar). Introducing Thanos without following up with the Gauntlet would be a bit of a letdown, and i think the Cube was the tip of the iceberg. Either way, this is shaping up to be badass!
this may be the kick off to the Infinity Gauntlet storyline. In the comics it started in books that Marvel doesnt have the movie rights to (Surfer) or never developed (Quasar). Introducing Thanos without following up with the Gauntlet would be a bit of a letdown, and i think the Cube was the tip of the iceberg. Either way, this is shaping up to be badass!
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7:59AM on 07/24/2013
"significant shift" in the Marvel Universe.....wonder if they'll follow the comic path and "kill off" Steve Rogers and replace him with a reformed Bucky.
"significant shift" in the Marvel Universe.....wonder if they'll follow the comic path and "kill off" Steve Rogers and replace him with a reformed Bucky.
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6:44AM on 07/24/2013
I'm looking forward to this a whole lot. The scale is probably going to be much bigger than most of us have anticipated, judging from the jaw-dropping Comic-Con footage. Also, despite the involvement of Joe and Anthony Russo, it doesn't look to be overly comedic and it might stick to what has been described as a bit of an homage to 70s political thrillers.
I'm looking forward to this a whole lot. The scale is probably going to be much bigger than most of us have anticipated, judging from the jaw-dropping Comic-Con footage. Also, despite the involvement of Joe and Anthony Russo, it doesn't look to be overly comedic and it might stick to what has been described as a bit of an homage to 70s political thrillers.
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5:19AM on 07/24/2013
I welcome any Cap 2 news with open arms. As far as the "significant shift", my guess is Cap gets sick of Fury's shit and goes on his own.
I welcome any Cap 2 news with open arms. As far as the "significant shift", my guess is Cap gets sick of Fury's shit and goes on his own.
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2:35AM on 07/24/2013
He pressed the red button, didn't he?
He pressed the red button, didn't he?
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1:00AM on 07/24/2013
It's weird that movies like Batman & Robin, and Prince of Persia, and Michael Bay's Transformers get such bad raps, but these dog turds that Marvel keeps pumping out receive massive praise. When I watch them, they're all exactly the same to me. Zero plot, zero character development, phoned in performances, too much brainless action, and overly flashy set and costume designs. The only Marvel controlled movies that make any real effort are the Iron Man films.
It's weird that movies like Batman & Robin, and Prince of Persia, and Michael Bay's Transformers get such bad raps, but these dog turds that Marvel keeps pumping out receive massive praise. When I watch them, they're all exactly the same to me. Zero plot, zero character development, phoned in performances, too much brainless action, and overly flashy set and costume designs. The only Marvel controlled movies that make any real effort are the Iron Man films.
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1:56AM on 07/24/2013
And "flashy set and costume designs" is a bad thing????? Wow...
And "flashy set and costume designs" is a bad thing????? Wow...
3:16AM on 07/24/2013
You're entitled to your opinion but I'm sure there are plenty who will disagree with you. The marvel series of movies are one of the few to keep their quality consistently high after 7 movies. The only series that's done it better imo is the Harry potter films.
You're entitled to your opinion but I'm sure there are plenty who will disagree with you. The marvel series of movies are one of the few to keep their quality consistently high after 7 movies. The only series that's done it better imo is the Harry potter films.
10:28AM on 07/24/2013
ROTFLMFAO.. BATMAN & ROBIN????
ROTFLMFAO.. BATMAN & ROBIN????
12:48AM on 07/24/2013

Judging by the directors

It's going to be the first full out Marvel comedy...besides the Avengers and Iron Man 3.
It's going to be the first full out Marvel comedy...besides the Avengers and Iron Man 3.
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12:12AM on 07/24/2013

Civil war

I really hope this referring to civil war (which chronologically began shortly after the winter soldier arc in the comics). How awesome would it be if phase 3 was centered on civil war? With cap leading one side and Iron Man leading the other.
I really hope this referring to civil war (which chronologically began shortly after the winter soldier arc in the comics). How awesome would it be if phase 3 was centered on civil war? With cap leading one side and Iron Man leading the other.
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12:10AM on 07/24/2013

Civil war

I really hope this referring to civil war (which chronologically began shortly after the winter soldier arc in the comics). How awesome would it be if phase 3 was centered on civil war? With cap leading one side and Iron Man leading the other.
I really hope this referring to civil war (which chronologically began shortly after the winter soldier arc in the comics). How awesome would it be if phase 3 was centered on civil war? With cap leading one side and Iron Man leading the other.
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10:23AM on 07/24/2013
CIVIL WAR should be a Phase 4 storyline, after THE INFINITY GUNTLET. Phase 5 should be PLANET HULK / WORLD WAR HULK
CIVIL WAR should be a Phase 4 storyline, after THE INFINITY GUNTLET. Phase 5 should be PLANET HULK / WORLD WAR HULK
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12:09AM on 07/24/2013

Theory ....

Cap has to leave SHIELD to become leader of Avengers, which means he needs to leave Fury, and set up shop separate from SHIELD. So I think he offers Winter Soldier a place with him when he is ready. Widow stays with SHIELD, but will come when needed. Falcon goes with Cap, and they both go to Stark for an HQ known to be not affiliated with SHIELD. They get access to a version of JARVIS to start searching for potential recruits.
SHIELD starts going through events in Winter Soldier to be more
Cap has to leave SHIELD to become leader of Avengers, which means he needs to leave Fury, and set up shop separate from SHIELD. So I think he offers Winter Soldier a place with him when he is ready. Widow stays with SHIELD, but will come when needed. Falcon goes with Cap, and they both go to Stark for an HQ known to be not affiliated with SHIELD. They get access to a version of JARVIS to start searching for potential recruits.
SHIELD starts going through events in Winter Soldier to be more offensive oriented working with a more paramilitary angle. SWORD a companion to SHIELD is created and Fury becomes director of SWORD and Maria Hill takes over as acting director of SHIELD.
This allows an easy transition for Fury to a Universe POC, HIll to interact and tie to TV Show, a continuity for Avengers HQ, Cap as leader, way to call up Avengers squad quickly, getting Stark back involved, bridging with Guardians.
That does not tie anything for Ultron, but that is not written yet, and those elements allow for possibilities. I still think Ultron's AI will be a SHIELD project and corrupted by AIM/HYDRA/something getting access to an armored body. Then replicating enough generations to create soldier Vision and eventually a Boss Level body. Vision whoops the entire avengers but falls for Wanda, eventually turning tide against Ultron.
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11:57PM on 07/23/2013
Im ready for Phase 2 of these movies. from what I been reading, these movies are getting more in depth with the characters. Not destroying everything just to sell a story
Im ready for Phase 2 of these movies. from what I been reading, these movies are getting more in depth with the characters. Not destroying everything just to sell a story
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11:09PM on 07/23/2013
Avengers 1.5. That's basically what this is. Excited for 2014! Cap 2 and GOTG!
Avengers 1.5. That's basically what this is. Excited for 2014! Cap 2 and GOTG!
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11:00PM on 07/23/2013

This flick

Is the Phase 2 flick that I'm looking forward to the most. It sounds like I'm not going to be disappointed.
Is the Phase 2 flick that I'm looking forward to the most. It sounds like I'm not going to be disappointed.
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10:24PM on 07/23/2013
I'm glad Captain America 2 is going to have the biggest impact on Avengers 2. Since he does become the eventual leader of the Avengers, it only makes sense that his solo films have the biggest impact on the films that have all of the Avengers in it.

I have a feeling that this might possibly be the best solo Avenger film since Iron Man 1.
I'm glad Captain America 2 is going to have the biggest impact on Avengers 2. Since he does become the eventual leader of the Avengers, it only makes sense that his solo films have the biggest impact on the films that have all of the Avengers in it.

I have a feeling that this might possibly be the best solo Avenger film since Iron Man 1.
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12:33AM on 07/24/2013
Cool! I agree!!!
Cool! I agree!!!
2:27AM on 07/24/2013
You had a feeling Green Lantern would be the best movie ever and look how that turned out.
You had a feeling Green Lantern would be the best movie ever and look how that turned out.
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