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04.12.2007
Let the backlash continue. Just about everyone has their own opinion on why GRINDHOUSE tanked this past weekend, but the ones that interest me the most are the creative and cutting-edge filmmakers whose careers can be affected by a box-office fiasco like this one. If the studios see that audiences are skipping ambitious and original fare like GRINDHOUSE, to go see ARE WE DONE YET? well, the end results will speak for themselves.

Joe Carnahan (SMOKIN’ ACES) who isn’t short on trailblazing cinematic bravura himself; is worried and pissed that the American movie going public is becoming responsible for its own country’s cinematic demise. Although with the success of 300, he does see some light at the end of darkened theatre. He recently waxed poetic on the GRINDHOUSE debacle on his website, and here’s what he had to say:

How in the hell does a Rodriguez-Tarantino movie do that poorly? I'm going to see it tonight. Those guys, Tarantino especially, deserve a helluva lot more love than f*cking 11.6 million. What is wrong with American moviegoers? Is there nothing NEW that they're willing to embrace? Jesus, it's the worst kind of erosion. We're making dumber and dumber films and they're becoming cash cows. God Bless '300', at least it's got balls and the director WENT for it. THAT movie is good for the business, it's good for everybody. But some of these other flicks don't even TRY because they know in the end, EXACTLY the age range and demographic driving ticket prices these days. Those monstrosities (the names of which I won't mention) are pure pieces of commerce, marketed to perfection.

I hope 'Grindhouse' recovers. It's an audacious idea that I wish would've been given a bigger break. Maybe as they separate the two films, they'll pry some sunshine out of the situation and the Weinsteins will save the day. It bums me the f*ck out though when something like that, a really cool idea that looks like a great time at the movies, made by real talent-- can't push past.

It's just dead wrong kids...and we ALL pay the price when those don't work.

Extra Tidbit: “What’s Costner’s line in J.F.K. again? ‘God, I’m ashamed to be an American today…Perhaps that’s overstating it a bit, but for me? It applies in this situation.” -Kevin Smith's take on the Grindhouse disaster.
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11:02PM on 04/12/2007

I Agree With Carnahan

He's not lying. I agree with him 100%. It's just like the music business....the good ones lose and the crap keeps winning! I for one Loved every minute of Grindhouse. I'm sad that they have to be split in two just to make even. I remember the good old days when Hollywood didn't give a fuck about the demographic and put out pure gold. They didn't need to dumb down their material! I miss those days. I can't even watch a movie anymore without getting pissed off...the same way I can't buy
He's not lying. I agree with him 100%. It's just like the music business....the good ones lose and the crap keeps winning! I for one Loved every minute of Grindhouse. I'm sad that they have to be split in two just to make even. I remember the good old days when Hollywood didn't give a fuck about the demographic and put out pure gold. They didn't need to dumb down their material! I miss those days. I can't even watch a movie anymore without getting pissed off...the same way I can't buy an album without getting mad at the price I paid for three tracks! Movie theaters charge too much for movies that give us so little! Peace to you, Caranhan! Smokin Aces was the shit!
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10:30PM on 04/12/2007

oh come on

Why am I not even remotely surprised that guys like Kevin Smith and Joe Carnahan think this is such a travesty?

Grindhouse was a movie that was tailored to suit a very narrow set of viewers. it was over 3 hours long, and was opening on a weekend that is more suited to The Passion than to a fanboy flick.

You're talking about a movie that emulates the shit that most people glance at in video stores for the purpose of a quick laugh. It wasn't particularly groundbreaking, it was just retro
Why am I not even remotely surprised that guys like Kevin Smith and Joe Carnahan think this is such a travesty?

Grindhouse was a movie that was tailored to suit a very narrow set of viewers. it was over 3 hours long, and was opening on a weekend that is more suited to The Passion than to a fanboy flick.

You're talking about a movie that emulates the shit that most people glance at in video stores for the purpose of a quick laugh. It wasn't particularly groundbreaking, it was just retro trash. The fact that Tarantino and Rodriguez made it hardly nullifies any of this.

I agree that the glut of terrible movies coming out of Hollywood is unfortunate, but I don't exactly think Grindhouse is the masterpiece that ought to be drawing in everything.

I think the lack of a market for honest and mature dramatic fare is far more frustrating.
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6:14PM on 04/12/2007
Oh come on, people, you know it's true. Let me lay down a list of movies that have come out this month:
Zodiac, Black Snake Moan, Wild Hogs, 300, Dead Silence, Premonition, Hills Have Eyes, Blades of Glory, Shooter, The Reaping, and Grindhouse.

Plenty of good movies there, but all the crap has gotten #1 at box office. Of course there's 300 but you know what I mean.
Oh come on, people, you know it's true. Let me lay down a list of movies that have come out this month:
Zodiac, Black Snake Moan, Wild Hogs, 300, Dead Silence, Premonition, Hills Have Eyes, Blades of Glory, Shooter, The Reaping, and Grindhouse.

Plenty of good movies there, but all the crap has gotten #1 at box office. Of course there's 300 but you know what I mean.
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2:18PM on 04/12/2007

Well, now...

I think I might like Carnahan even more now.

And I didn't think that was possible.
I think I might like Carnahan even more now.

And I didn't think that was possible.
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1:44PM on 04/12/2007

Marketing, marketing, marketing

Carnahan is right to be miffed at the perceived failure of Grindhouse. But it didn't fail because of its own merits. The marketing for this film sold it as 2 exploitation B-movies. And that's the result they got. Opening it on Easter weekend was just as big a mistake. Open that on another weekend and with better marketing and you've got a bigger opening weekend. Hopefully they'll re-tool their marketing to increase the legs.
Carnahan is right to be miffed at the perceived failure of Grindhouse. But it didn't fail because of its own merits. The marketing for this film sold it as 2 exploitation B-movies. And that's the result they got. Opening it on Easter weekend was just as big a mistake. Open that on another weekend and with better marketing and you've got a bigger opening weekend. Hopefully they'll re-tool their marketing to increase the legs.
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1:28PM on 04/12/2007
What I've noticed as I tell people about seeing Grindhouse last weekend is that I'm finding a surprising amount of people who have no idea what I'm talking about--and I'm referring to people who would be interested in a Tarantino flick, or an action/horror movie. Basically, it would seem that the marketing of this movie must not have been very good (despite the fact that I've felt bombarded by Grindhouse stuff on the 'net for weeks) if I can talk to no fewer than 7 average movie buffs who've
What I've noticed as I tell people about seeing Grindhouse last weekend is that I'm finding a surprising amount of people who have no idea what I'm talking about--and I'm referring to people who would be interested in a Tarantino flick, or an action/horror movie. Basically, it would seem that the marketing of this movie must not have been very good (despite the fact that I've felt bombarded by Grindhouse stuff on the 'net for weeks) if I can talk to no fewer than 7 average movie buffs who've never even heard of the movie before, and another 3 who have only a vague understanding of what I'm talking about.
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12:43PM on 04/12/2007
Don't blame the general movie going public for the Grindhouse failure. Get off your high stool and get real. It was Easter weekend, it was a three hour long feature that was filled with violence. It would have done better if it had been released some other time. I couldn't tell you when because it's always a gamble....always.
Don't blame the general movie going public for the Grindhouse failure. Get off your high stool and get real. It was Easter weekend, it was a three hour long feature that was filled with violence. It would have done better if it had been released some other time. I couldn't tell you when because it's always a gamble....always.
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12:16PM on 04/12/2007
Nothing like shaming people to get them into a theater, Smith.
Nothing like shaming people to get them into a theater, Smith.
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11:14AM on 04/12/2007
Its a little early too tell. Im holding out for the second week numbers. Im thinking Easter weekend was just a bad week for a horror movie that so openly uses sex and violence as marketing tools. Im surprised there hasnt been a bigger backlash from PTA groups and Christian Right groups (or maybe there is but no one cares anymore what these whiners have to say).
Its a little early too tell. Im holding out for the second week numbers. Im thinking Easter weekend was just a bad week for a horror movie that so openly uses sex and violence as marketing tools. Im surprised there hasnt been a bigger backlash from PTA groups and Christian Right groups (or maybe there is but no one cares anymore what these whiners have to say).
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9:18AM on 04/12/2007
Seriously, these types of movies never do well at the box office. There aren’t many people in the mainstream that want to see over the top gore for gore’s sake, never have been. Exploitation films have never had a big audience and never will. So how can anyone expect a 3 hour exploitation marathon, especially one released on Easter weekend of all weekends, to do good at the box office.

Honestly I think the problem has to do with everyone viewing the internet as the ultimate hype machine.
Seriously, these types of movies never do well at the box office. There aren’t many people in the mainstream that want to see over the top gore for gore’s sake, never have been. Exploitation films have never had a big audience and never will. So how can anyone expect a 3 hour exploitation marathon, especially one released on Easter weekend of all weekends, to do good at the box office.

Honestly I think the problem has to do with everyone viewing the internet as the ultimate hype machine. They see good internet buzz and expect a film to become a hit because of it. That’s about as wrong as you can get. Internet movie geeks represent a very small percentage of the movie going audience. Grindhouse was made specifically for this audience, and this audience is pretty much the only people who went to see it.
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6:10AM on 04/12/2007
Here-here! I agree!

And yes, it IS the public's fault to a major, major degree, Rogue NineCH.
Here-here! I agree!

And yes, it IS the public's fault to a major, major degree, Rogue NineCH.
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5:21AM on 04/12/2007

I do hope that this

doesn't stop filmmakers like Carnahan, Tarentino, and Rodriguez from making great movies like Grindhouse and Smokin' Aces. We need films like those as well.
doesn't stop filmmakers like Carnahan, Tarentino, and Rodriguez from making great movies like Grindhouse and Smokin' Aces. We need films like those as well.
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4:55AM on 04/12/2007

It's not the public's fault

that Grindhouse bombed. Personally I think it was a stupid idea to have it open on Easter weekend. People want to see a family film, or laugh at a comedy. Grindhouse obviously didn't fit either of those categories. They should have opened it during the summer, maybe during August and it would have bone better business at the BO.

When filmmakers start blaming the public for movies that bomb, it comes off as pathetic whining. How about the marketing department for Grindhouse which barely
that Grindhouse bombed. Personally I think it was a stupid idea to have it open on Easter weekend. People want to see a family film, or laugh at a comedy. Grindhouse obviously didn't fit either of those categories. They should have opened it during the summer, maybe during August and it would have bone better business at the BO.

When filmmakers start blaming the public for movies that bomb, it comes off as pathetic whining. How about the marketing department for Grindhouse which barely advertised it on TV in my city, or who picked a religious week to open an over the top violent movie. Great job picking out the premeire date guys, NOT!! So try putting the blame where it belongs, not on the movie going public.
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2:47AM on 04/12/2007
I have to agree that grindhouse was always hyped toward fanboys, which accounts for the weak BO, not to mention the running time. The average person probably didn't care. I am sure the DVD will do wonderfully. 300, on the other hand, had great marketing and it brought in action-movie lovers, fanboys, and even history buffs.

As for Are We Done Yet?.... i have no idea who would want to go to the movie theater to see that. It's a big enough hassle if you are going to see something worthwhile.
I have to agree that grindhouse was always hyped toward fanboys, which accounts for the weak BO, not to mention the running time. The average person probably didn't care. I am sure the DVD will do wonderfully. 300, on the other hand, had great marketing and it brought in action-movie lovers, fanboys, and even history buffs.

As for Are We Done Yet?.... i have no idea who would want to go to the movie theater to see that. It's a big enough hassle if you are going to see something worthwhile.
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2:44AM on 04/12/2007

Why so disappointed?

Why did everyone think Grindhouse was going to do so good at the box office? It’s a three hour long homage to films that never really did well at the box office to begin with. This movie is an oxymoron. It begged to become a hardcore cult film from day one, but yet it also wanted mainstream success. This movie will have to wait to get it’s financial success the same as all the other cult hits did, on home video.

Grindhouse did not suffer “Snakes on a Plane”. Snakes on a Plane bombed because
Why did everyone think Grindhouse was going to do so good at the box office? It’s a three hour long homage to films that never really did well at the box office to begin with. This movie is an oxymoron. It begged to become a hardcore cult film from day one, but yet it also wanted mainstream success. This movie will have to wait to get it’s financial success the same as all the other cult hits did, on home video.

Grindhouse did not suffer “Snakes on a Plane”. Snakes on a Plane bombed because all its hype was based on its laughable bad title. It was a joke that people enjoyed laughing at, nothing more.
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1:18AM on 04/12/2007
cupajoe, i gotta disagree with you a little. audiences not responding to death proof isn't the reason the box office numbers are low. it has more to do with getting people into the theaters to begin with.

Easter had something to do with it. but i also think that the target of all that hype was still just a niche audience. it didn't have the crossover appeal that would draw in a gazillion teens. there were certainly a lot of us that were really pumped, but it's a relatively small group
cupajoe, i gotta disagree with you a little. audiences not responding to death proof isn't the reason the box office numbers are low. it has more to do with getting people into the theaters to begin with.

Easter had something to do with it. but i also think that the target of all that hype was still just a niche audience. it didn't have the crossover appeal that would draw in a gazillion teens. there were certainly a lot of us that were really pumped, but it's a relatively small group making a lot of noise.
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1:00AM on 04/12/2007
Tarantino is arrogan and while Rodriguez is a mastermind and I admire him, I dont find most of his movies as good. (I love Sin city and tip my hat off to El Mariachi)
Tarantino is arrogan and while Rodriguez is a mastermind and I admire him, I dont find most of his movies as good. (I love Sin city and tip my hat off to El Mariachi)
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12:53AM on 04/12/2007
i think that grindhouse suffered a mix of the snakes on a plane and king kong curses, where it got too much hype for too long and was as well a long movie, not to say i didn't enjoy it, i'm just saying thats what was the most likely result of its under-performance, and i cna only hope it does better in the coming weeks
i think that grindhouse suffered a mix of the snakes on a plane and king kong curses, where it got too much hype for too long and was as well a long movie, not to say i didn't enjoy it, i'm just saying thats what was the most likely result of its under-performance, and i cna only hope it does better in the coming weeks
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12:34AM on 04/12/2007
heres the reason why grindhouse didnt do as expected. its good up to a certain point planet terror and the other grindhouse trailers leave you charged and ready for anything then death proof comes on and just completly takes the wind out of your sails im sorry. i enjoyed death proof but i can completly see how normal everyday people wont like it.
heres the reason why grindhouse didnt do as expected. its good up to a certain point planet terror and the other grindhouse trailers leave you charged and ready for anything then death proof comes on and just completly takes the wind out of your sails im sorry. i enjoyed death proof but i can completly see how normal everyday people wont like it.
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12:22AM on 04/12/2007
you would think that all the hype generated on the internet would have sent people to the movie. i hope something happens between now and when it is released in australia
you would think that all the hype generated on the internet would have sent people to the movie. i hope something happens between now and when it is released in australia
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